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the Jaime scene in the tub is when you realize this isn't the character you were led to believe he is for 2 seasons, and you were only given half of the story, from Lord Stark's perspective.
@@SeeliaVachon No dispute there. Yet we know how Robert Baratheon talks about the Targaryen kids. incest babies, dragonspawn. If Bran tells his father, Lord Stark would bring this to him. Jaime, Cersei and their kids would all be executed if Robert believes Bran, and a child would have no reason to tell such a lie. Jaime even saves Bran from falling to his death before pushing him. Under pressure from Cersei, he knows making sure Bran can never speak is what will protect Cersei & the children
I was confused when everyone points to the bath tub scene as the one because he already spoke of his lose-lose situation, it was back when Catelyn Stark visited him in his cell and he started explaining his contradictory Kingsguard vows then she scolded him anyways. That was when I was certain he has been misrepresented. The first inkling I had that Jaimes reputation is unfair was back in season 1 when Ned Stark gave him shit for killing Aerys, and then pretty much in the same breath gave him shit for not doing anything when Neds dad & brother were killed. Jaime couldn't win and it's been there the whole time, everyone just gets too distracted by his pompous attitude to really listen to what he had to say until the bath tub scene. Great character
@@SeeliaVachon that’s the problem we are indoctrinated into thing good versus evil when game of thrones is about gray complicated characters like Jamie
Everything Jaime does is a defense mechanism. Remember the advice Tyrion gave Jon Snow in S1E1. "Wear it like Armour and it can never be used to hurt you".
"And to be honest, Jaime doesn't help with his attitude either." You're definitely right about that, but I think that's part of what makes him such an interesting character. We never get to see what Jaime was like as a teenager before killing the Mad King, but from the way he's talked about back then, I believe he was much more optimistic, bright eyed and eager to be a good knight. But he's grown into a jaded a-hole because of what he's been through. Serving the Mad King would have been a shocking reminder that reality is much more cruel than his naive ideas of what being a knight meant. And then he did something truly brave and heroic, killing the King to save hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, and he was condemned and mocked for it. It wasn't just Ned Stark who judged him, it was the entire 7 Kingdoms. "Kingslayer, Man without Honour, you all despise me". Jaime became the sarcastic prick because of what happened. The one moment of true heroism in his life is the sane thing that lead to him being hated and mocked. It's all a cruel joke to Jaime, he wants to be respected, but it feels futile to him. And so he becomes incredibly jaded. And that's why his dynamic with Brienne is so compelling. He sees his younger self in her, that naive boy who thought he could be a true, heroic knight. Which is why at first, he mocks her relentlessly. Because he's subconsciously trying to make her jaded to reality like he is. But Brienne surprises Jaime, he starts to realize that she has been mocked and laughed at her entire life. But unlike him, she is steadfast in her commitment to being an honorable knight, she doesn't let other people's opinions sway that. With that, and her competency in battle, Jaime starts to respect her. And their dynamic is so strong because they both help each other grow as people. Brienne makes Jaime realize that he can be good inspite of what people think of him. And Brienne, who sees the world in very black and white terms, learns that the world can be a lot more Grey than she had imagined. That "bad people" aren't inheritantly bad.
Jaime's speech and Brienne's attentive and shocked listening were incredible acting on both their parts!!! so so so good! And ya Arya was really great this episode as well
22:49 "Our moral compass can sometimes blind us to good in others." Wow, Sofie!! What an elegant way of expressing a profound truth. I expected a great reaction, but I wasn't prepared for such insightful philosophical observations. You're single-handedly raising the bar on GoT reactions! Nice!
Jamie was the youngest person made a Knight of the Kingsguard. It’s one of the greatest honors a Knight can rise up to, usually a sign of a skilled warrior with unprecedented honor, and undying loyalty to the king. Aerys chose Jamie, but not for those reasons. He hated and envied Tywin, his old friend and Hand of the King, and chose his eldest son to be his guard to rob him of the heir he wanted to inherit his house. Tywin stepped down as Hand and went back to Casterly Rock soon after, and Jamie was left to follow the commands of a madman, and told by his other sworn brothers that “you swore a vow to guard the King, not to judge him.” If Ned Stark, Jon Arryn, or anyone else on Robert’s side had killed Aerys they would’ve been considered a hero, Jamie is despised for it because he swore an oath. I even think Ned might’ve respected him a little if he died defending Aerys, the man who murdered his father and brother, because it would be the “honorable” thing to do, and that thought makes my head spin.
Not a Spoiler; little bit of subtlety that is lost in adaptation: in the books, the Unsullied are not just forced to use demeaning names, but they have to change them ramdomly everyday by drawing tokens from a bucket. This way they're stripped from their individuality entirely. AND THAT is how Greyworm is a blessed name in a way none of his previous names was.
Jaime wore the name king slayer like armor, just like Tyrion wears the name dwarf. Jaime killing the king and thinking he did what a knight would, just to then be spit upon and made into a monster… he chose to then be what they made him because he didn’t see true good in the world. Honestly one of the best written characters
Jaime's reveal in this scene was paradigm-shifting for so many reasons. It makes so much sense that he has that attitude now; he's despised and considered completely without honor, because of what _he_ considers to be his most honorable act. He's actually filled with self-loathing for the most part ("the things I do for love"), and the one thing he built his self-esteem around (his skills) have now been taken away. He's quite lost, and has been for a long time. Especially when you consider that, at least in the books, Jaime was, at most, 17 when he earned the name, "Kingslayer." And the show barely touches the surface of all the layers, history, and politics behind why Jaime became a kingsguard at the age of 15 in the first place, his hurt when he found out that what he thought was an honor given as a reward for his skill was actually just a power move by Aerys against Tywin... which I don't think factored into his decisions that day, but it did factor into how his personality was shaped.
This episode made me fall in love with Jaime. Because you see him at his most vulnerable and what’s really shocking is that he’s telling Brienne, who at this point is a stranger to him. He’s never even told Cersei about this and yet he tells her.
Ikr. There's just something about a handsome, attempted child murdering, sister banging war criminal that's so loveable ❤️ thank god he doesn't look like Harvey Weinstein! Am I right ladies?
Jaime uses his cockiness and general air of superiority to mask the fact that he's completely broken inside. The one thing he wanted above all else was to be an honourable knight. Instead he's known throughout the kingdoms as THE dishonourable knight for his most honourable act, killing the Mad King before his madness brought down all of King's Landing. His bitterness towards Lord Eddard Stark arose from the same place. Ned was known throughout the kingdoms as THE man of honour. Even when he fathered a bastard son, he somehow did it with honour. He was dripping with it. Jaime could have done with a drop of honour, yet he had none. We see his psychological pain exposed in this episode. A man without honour.
"Whit what right does the wolf judge the lion" Always remember that when Ned Stark and Jaime Lannister fought in the S1 one of the Lannister soldiers attacked Ned from the back and then Jaime killed that soldier instead of killed Ned Stark who was in shock. There is a reason why he was in shock and you will discovered in the future. Sometimes the ones who call themself "honorable" arent so honorable as they think they are
The actor's that play Jamie and Brienne have a great chemistry off-screen which I think translates on-screen. Any interviews with them together is always full of laughter.
I love that you showed some love respect to George RR Martin there at the end. I think it has become trendy to be a bit frustrated and less respectful towards him lately (I am guilty of getting a little like this) - that it’s easy to take for granted how truly genius he is and how brilliant and groundbreaking these stories were and are. I adore these characters and stories and this world as much as any others I’ve ever watched/read/played. Recently started a re-read of the books, and man it’s awe-inspiring what he managed to create.
I love the bathtub scene, not because it shows Jaime as a good guy, but because it shows Jaime as human. He was essentially a child progeny with the sword, and was played as a political pawn between the Mad King and his father. Eventually he faced the ultimate conflict, between upholding his vows to serve the King and killing his own father. He chose both family and perceived good over honor. Arguably the wrong choice in the eyes of Ned Stark, but not an unreasonable choice. None of this changes the fact that he pushes Bran out a window. He is still a prideful man, and he still has a weakness for his sister who is objectively evil. But remember his quote from a few episodes ago “we cannot choose who we love.” I believe that he genuinely loves Cersei for reasons that I cannot understand. But Bran surviving would risk Cersei’s life, as brother-sister incest is punishable by death.
Everytime there's a Tywin scene where he's chewing someone out I get ptsd flashbacks lol. This epispde when he chastises Cersei and Tyrion...jeez. That man has a screen presence like no one else!
Children being used by their parents in arranged marriages was the norm up until the early 20th Century for most of the Western World. Marriage based on romance and love wasn't considered viable and was left to romance novels. Marriage was about socioeconomic or political gain/alliance. Emotion had little to do with marriage. That's what lovers were for.
People forgive Jaime so easily because of this scene but I haven't forgotten. He may not be as evil as Joffrey but he still did evil things because of Cersi. He pushed Bran and he still murdered his own cousin who adored him. He's a child murderer. People can make all the excuses for his choices but in the end, anyone with a good heart would never murder another.
But I'm not here to only love characters with pure heart, i love some gray or even evil characters, most of the people love and forgive Jaime it's cuz he's interesting and he does try to get better and he doesn't even hide the horrible stuff he did, he accepts the consequences of his actions and try to do what he can to be better, but like everyone else in the world he sometimes makes mistakes again, but that's the beauty of this character, that's why people loves him and this scene shows a different side of him, shows that he does have a heart despise everything
Tyrion is around 33 at this point in the show, around 6 years his siblings junior. In the books he and Brienne are both much younger, with Brienne being 17 and Tyrion being 24. It changes their characters quite a bit.
This episode has so many great scenes. The "Fire fight", Reveal of Selyse's stillborn boys, Jaime & Brienne in the tub & the final scene with Tywin being a boss. Amazing stuff.
After this, I stopped calling Jamie the Kingslayer. So many hints through 1 and 2 you don't really notice until you rewatch them. Anybody would have his attitude after that, however many years being known asthe man without honour, after a while it's easier to just live up to the reputation, that and Ned caused that reputation
So yeah, the audience never really cares about Jaime being the kingslayer. we didn't know him then and all we've heard is how awful the king was. It's hard to understand until this point what that label did to Jaime's life. He was forced on the kingsguard at 15. It was his entire life. And all of its glory and honor was ripped away from him while barely an adult at that point, for saving all the people in the city. How could he function if he let people know how much their disrespect hurts? That moment is why Jaime is who he is. It has defined him his entire adult life.
The bow of celibacy is not stupid. It is what keeps the men of the watch from exchanging a terrible life of duty for a life with a woman and family. Maester Aemon explained this to Jon, if you remember.
One of the best scenes of this season is when they make the viewer think Jaime and Brienne are finally gonna have a somewhat cliche sappy moment in the bath, but then they do a total 180 degree bait and switch and give you one of the most intense moments, with Jaime opening up about the murder of the Mad King Aerys. "By what right does the wolf judge the lion"....so intense!
Jaime opened up to Brienne because he sees in her the sort of idealistic 'true knight' that he imagined he'd turn out to be when he was young, before life and it's complications and grey areas made him cynical.
The Jaime/Brienne scene is one of my personal favorites from the series, even in the books. George R. R. Martin and Nickolai Coster-Waldau do such masterful jobs of portraying Jaime as a callous, dishonorable man who killed the man he was oathsworn to protect, impervious to the "Kingslayer" insults that everyone is constantly throwing at him to disparage his honor, that we have no problem believing it. Then in this scene we hear what actually happened from Jaime himself. He alone saved everyone in King's Landing from the Mad King and his pyromancers, and we realize all at once that his hard exterior is an act: "Jaime... My name is Jaime." He's neither callous nor dishonorable, and he's deeply pained by the reputation he now has as the Kingslayer.
One thing I thought was interesting was Shireen‘s (Stanis’ daughter) blonde hair. Remember Ned reading the great book of houses determined Joffrey and his siblings were all Jamie’s based on their blonde hair. The great book of houses reflected that all Baratheons were black of hair. But here you have Stanis and his wife, both black of hair, produced a blonde child - Shireen. Now she’s not a Lannister platinum blonde, but she is blonde. So if two black haired Baratheon/wife can produce a dirty blonde daughter why couldn’t a black hair Robert Baratheon and a blonde hair Cersei produce blonde her children? I think Game of Thrones realized they made a mistake as Shireen’s blonde hair gets darker as the episodes go along.
Glad you recognized he’s like his dad. He HAD to kill karstark cause it’s law. He was a murdering (and treasonous) piece of shit. Ned woulda done the same. Robb was so pissed after cause he knows how much this will hurt his army but he had to do it.
I kind of wished sansa would fall in love with tyrion in the end after the war, he was so kind to her and she never gave him a chance because of his looks, it would have rounded her character out and made her seem less vain
Jamie and Ned are actually really similar in nature , they both have their honour but have made decisions for their family sacrificing their honour . Ironically they don't even realise how similar they are and hate each other , lol.
Gendry saying Arya would be his lady...does he mean she will be her liege lordess or romantic interest? Probably the former. There's too nuch or a social gap between the too. Barristan and Jorah talking about Thoros of Myr and his flaming sword, just to remind you how interconnected it all is. Brilliant scene placement.
09:47 - 09:55 PPPPFFFTTT!🤭🤭🤭 10:03 - 10:07 I swear,your faces are *priceless!* 😂 You're so cute!!X-3 11:30 - 11:38 They really have....😊💛🤍 14:57 - 15:29 There are no subtitles,but I remember what this scene is about and it made me emotional.🤎 16:03 - 16:16 SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
Jaime is a cocky prick because of how he has been treated after killing the mad king. Everyone treated him like he was a dishonorable asshole, so he became one. His attitude is very much connected to his backstory.
I really loved getting to hear Jaimie's story regarding the mad king because that was something we've been waiting for for a long time... the reason why he killed him. The scenes with Brienne were amazing, as usual. I love their weird chemistry. lol. ARYA AND GENDRY. OMG that scene was so sad. I loved when she said he could be her family. The way she delivered that line was just so good. And then him saying she'd be his lady... I love them. Tyrion having to marry Sansa... whatttttt. So creepy and weird. But at least he would be a kind husband to her and protect her and not take advantage of her or treat her badly. I have a feeling thats the plan thats going to go through. Cersei having to marry Loras.. serves her right for laughing at Tyrion. I enjoyed this episode for Robb but I am worried for him. I dont think he made the right decision losing all those men. He should have listened to his mother and wife. With that said, he could have punished the guy in another way, like cutting off his limb or something lol. And now wanting to contact the man he betrayed? No. I dont see this going well. Dany is so sweet. I loved how she treated one of the soldiers and told him to pick a new name. One thing I really love about this show is that it remembers its history and brings things full circle and doesnt drop storylines.
@@eurongreyjoy1008 yes I know that's a Kingsguard rule of course, not actually a bozo thanks very much, but why did Tywin allow Jamie to take that choice in the first place is what I wonder as marrying him off to some house that would gain power seems more like his method. Maybe there was some gain to being Kingsguard that outweighed that? Anyone who's read the books got any insight?
@@xoxoxANGExoxox at the time Tywin was the hand of the King and he actually was responsible for everything good happening on the realm. everyone was talking about how Tywin was the real ruler and not the actual King. bcs of that the Mad King put Jaime in the Kingsguard to piss Tywin and Jaime accepted the place despite Tywin telling him not to bcs he wanted to be on the court with Cersei. Tywin after that resigned from hand and returned to Casterly Rock with Cersei. Tywin didnt want Jaime to join the Kingsguard but he couldnt rly do anything about it. He had no power over the King
To be honest, Jaime never intended to even try to explain anything. Ned found him sitting on the throne with arrogance, the corpse at his side. Ned never gave him an opportunity but neither did Jaime. Also he was alone with the king, the rest of the kingsguard died or were already prisoners of the rebels. He could've imprison him, knock him out, lock him in his chambers etc etc. Its an amazing scene but Jaime is still full of bullshit.
@@carlogiurizzato2441 I read them probably more times than you lmao The fuck does that change? I said Ned never gave him a chance, but Jaime also never intended to explain himself to him because he's an arrogant asshole. He was, is and will be a fucking prick and his redemption is overrated as hell.
@@SoFieReactsTV not showing on my Patreon but I might not have a high enough tier or something. The latest Buffyverse episode I show is Angel S03E06. Oh well, thanks for all you do, hope you feel better.
It sucks that Jaime chose pride and foolishness over being honest in a way that ultimately ended up hurting him. His whole "Ned Stark has no right to judge what he doesn't understand" thing is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Imagine if you had to kill someone in self defense, but say nothing to the cops who come to the scene. You'll be arrested for murder, not because cops are judges, but because they have to work with the information they have, and you didn't say anything when they got there. If you also choose not to tell your story at trial, you'll probably be found guilty. You can't then say, "you're just gonna find me guilty on the evidence alone? Without considering my side of the story that only I know? That's not fair!" All anyone can do is the best they can with the information they have at the time. Jaime saw Ned operating without a critical piece of information and chose not to resolve the misunderstanding, resulting in Jaime's honor being questioned everywhere he went for decades. He played himself.
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the Jaime scene in the tub is when you realize this isn't the character you were led to believe he is for 2 seasons, and you were only given half of the story, from Lord Stark's perspective.
He is not as bad but he still really is. We saw with our own eyes how he pushed Bran down the tower and he murdered his own cousin!
@@SeeliaVachon No dispute there. Yet we know how Robert Baratheon talks about the Targaryen kids. incest babies, dragonspawn.
If Bran tells his father, Lord Stark would bring this to him. Jaime, Cersei and their kids would all be executed if Robert believes Bran, and a child would have no reason to tell such a lie.
Jaime even saves Bran from falling to his death before pushing him. Under pressure from Cersei, he knows making sure Bran can never speak is what will protect Cersei & the children
I was confused when everyone points to the bath tub scene as the one because he already spoke of his lose-lose situation, it was back when Catelyn Stark visited him in his cell and he started explaining his contradictory Kingsguard vows then she scolded him anyways. That was when I was certain he has been misrepresented. The first inkling I had that Jaimes reputation is unfair was back in season 1 when Ned Stark gave him shit for killing Aerys, and then pretty much in the same breath gave him shit for not doing anything when Neds dad & brother were killed. Jaime couldn't win and it's been there the whole time, everyone just gets too distracted by his pompous attitude to really listen to what he had to say until the bath tub scene. Great character
@@SeeliaVachon that’s the problem we are indoctrinated into thing good versus evil when game of thrones is about gray complicated characters like Jamie
@@SeeliaVachon Jamie deep down is a hero , whatever bad things he's down is because of Cersei .
Everything Jaime does is a defense mechanism. Remember the advice Tyrion gave Jon Snow in S1E1. "Wear it like Armour and it can never be used to hurt you".
Every Baelish's interaction with Sansa gives me "suspiciously touchy uncle" energy
Right!?! He is so creepy with her.
"And to be honest, Jaime doesn't help with his attitude either."
You're definitely right about that, but I think that's part of what makes him such an interesting character. We never get to see what Jaime was like as a teenager before killing the Mad King, but from the way he's talked about back then, I believe he was much more optimistic, bright eyed and eager to be a good knight. But he's grown into a jaded a-hole because of what he's been through. Serving the Mad King would have been a shocking reminder that reality is much more cruel than his naive ideas of what being a knight meant. And then he did something truly brave and heroic, killing the King to save hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, and he was condemned and mocked for it. It wasn't just Ned Stark who judged him, it was the entire 7 Kingdoms.
"Kingslayer, Man without Honour, you all despise me". Jaime became the sarcastic prick because of what happened. The one moment of true heroism in his life is the sane thing that lead to him being hated and mocked. It's all a cruel joke to Jaime, he wants to be respected, but it feels futile to him. And so he becomes incredibly jaded.
And that's why his dynamic with Brienne is so compelling. He sees his younger self in her, that naive boy who thought he could be a true, heroic knight. Which is why at first, he mocks her relentlessly. Because he's subconsciously trying to make her jaded to reality like he is. But Brienne surprises Jaime, he starts to realize that she has been mocked and laughed at her entire life. But unlike him, she is steadfast in her commitment to being an honorable knight, she doesn't let other people's opinions sway that. With that, and her competency in battle, Jaime starts to respect her.
And their dynamic is so strong because they both help each other grow as people. Brienne makes Jaime realize that he can be good inspite of what people think of him. And Brienne, who sees the world in very black and white terms, learns that the world can be a lot more Grey than she had imagined. That "bad people" aren't inheritantly bad.
Tyrion has the same attitude yet we like him.only difference is jamie could back up his words.
BIG FACTS. WELL SAID.
19:29 „You‘re my daughter!“ The delivery of that line gets me every time, my god is Charles Dance great in this role.
Jaime's speech and Brienne's attentive and shocked listening were incredible acting on both their parts!!! so so so good! And ya Arya was really great this episode as well
22:49 "Our moral compass can sometimes blind us to good in others." Wow, Sofie!! What an elegant way of expressing a profound truth. I expected a great reaction, but I wasn't prepared for such insightful philosophical observations. You're single-handedly raising the bar on GoT reactions! Nice!
Any scene with Tywin is always total badassery. The most underrated actor in the show in my opinion.
Jamie was the youngest person made a Knight of the Kingsguard. It’s one of the greatest honors a Knight can rise up to, usually a sign of a skilled warrior with unprecedented honor, and undying loyalty to the king. Aerys chose Jamie, but not for those reasons. He hated and envied Tywin, his old friend and Hand of the King, and chose his eldest son to be his guard to rob him of the heir he wanted to inherit his house. Tywin stepped down as Hand and went back to Casterly Rock soon after, and Jamie was left to follow the commands of a madman, and told by his other sworn brothers that “you swore a vow to guard the King, not to judge him.”
If Ned Stark, Jon Arryn, or anyone else on Robert’s side had killed Aerys they would’ve been considered a hero, Jamie is despised for it because he swore an oath. I even think Ned might’ve respected him a little if he died defending Aerys, the man who murdered his father and brother, because it would be the “honorable” thing to do, and that thought makes my head spin.
Jaime, his names Jaime
@@gdbssa you are correct, and good use of the line from the episode
Not a Spoiler; little bit of subtlety that is lost in adaptation: in the books, the Unsullied are not just forced to use demeaning names, but they have to change them ramdomly everyday by drawing tokens from a bucket. This way they're stripped from their individuality entirely. AND THAT is how Greyworm is a blessed name in a way none of his previous names was.
Before this episode, I could never find a way to like Jaime, never even imagine I could. After it, I could never hate him again.
You forget that he murdered his own cousin, who looked up to him as a role model? 🙄
Mmmmm. Attempted child murder. Forgive me my nipps are like diamonds right now ❤️ Sister banging? Omg downstairs is looking like SplashMountain 💧 💦
@@SeeliaVachon he never did that. dont take fanfics as the true story
@@eurongreyjoy1008 yes he did that, also killed the kardstark guard at the same time.
@@English_MoFo you slow arent you?
Jaime wore the name king slayer like armor, just like Tyrion wears the name dwarf. Jaime killing the king and thinking he did what a knight would, just to then be spit upon and made into a monster… he chose to then be what they made him because he didn’t see true good in the world. Honestly one of the best written characters
Jaime's reveal in this scene was paradigm-shifting for so many reasons. It makes so much sense that he has that attitude now; he's despised and considered completely without honor, because of what _he_ considers to be his most honorable act. He's actually filled with self-loathing for the most part ("the things I do for love"), and the one thing he built his self-esteem around (his skills) have now been taken away. He's quite lost, and has been for a long time.
Especially when you consider that, at least in the books, Jaime was, at most, 17 when he earned the name, "Kingslayer." And the show barely touches the surface of all the layers, history, and politics behind why Jaime became a kingsguard at the age of 15 in the first place, his hurt when he found out that what he thought was an honor given as a reward for his skill was actually just a power move by Aerys against Tywin... which I don't think factored into his decisions that day, but it did factor into how his personality was shaped.
This episode made me fall in love with Jaime. Because you see him at his most vulnerable and what’s really shocking is that he’s telling Brienne, who at this point is a stranger to him. He’s never even told Cersei about this and yet he tells her.
he aspires to be respected by honorable people.
Ikr. There's just something about a handsome, attempted child murdering, sister banging war criminal that's so loveable ❤️ thank god he doesn't look like Harvey Weinstein! Am I right ladies?
@@WasoTremere Great point!
One of the best, most rewatchable episodes of the series! Complete masterpiece from start to finish.
Jaime uses his cockiness and general air of superiority to mask the fact that he's completely broken inside. The one thing he wanted above all else was to be an honourable knight. Instead he's known throughout the kingdoms as THE dishonourable knight for his most honourable act, killing the Mad King before his madness brought down all of King's Landing. His bitterness towards Lord Eddard Stark arose from the same place. Ned was known throughout the kingdoms as THE man of honour. Even when he fathered a bastard son, he somehow did it with honour. He was dripping with it. Jaime could have done with a drop of honour, yet he had none. We see his psychological pain exposed in this episode. A man without honour.
"I have not seen anyone worse than Joffrey" famous last words, SoFie. And of course I have nobody in mind... 🤣
What an incredible actor is Charles Dance.
"Whit what right does the wolf judge the lion"
Always remember that when Ned Stark and Jaime Lannister fought in the S1 one of the Lannister soldiers attacked Ned from the back and then Jaime killed that soldier instead of killed Ned Stark who was in shock.
There is a reason why he was in shock and you will discovered in the future. Sometimes the ones who call themself "honorable" arent so honorable as they think they are
I don't think that he killed the soldier- he knocked him down unconscious,
There are characters like Tywin and Stannis who are so unsympathetic and yet they are so cool
The actor's that play Jamie and Brienne have a great chemistry off-screen which I think translates on-screen.
Any interviews with them together is always full of laughter.
Jamie is stuck up, arrogant and occasionally evil. Yet he is very human and has his good qualities.
The bath scene is easily in my top 10 of this show.
I love that you showed some love respect to George RR Martin there at the end. I think it has become trendy to be a bit frustrated and less respectful towards him lately (I am guilty of getting a little like this) - that it’s easy to take for granted how truly genius he is and how brilliant and groundbreaking these stories were and are. I adore these characters and stories and this world as much as any others I’ve ever watched/read/played. Recently started a re-read of the books, and man it’s awe-inspiring what he managed to create.
Ser Jaime Fuck!ng Lannister; a true Knight of the Realm...
By What Right does the Wolf Judges the Lion! My Favorite scene ever in Game of Thrones.
I love the bathtub scene, not because it shows Jaime as a good guy, but because it shows Jaime as human. He was essentially a child progeny with the sword, and was played as a political pawn between the Mad King and his father. Eventually he faced the ultimate conflict, between upholding his vows to serve the King and killing his own father. He chose both family and perceived good over honor. Arguably the wrong choice in the eyes of Ned Stark, but not an unreasonable choice.
None of this changes the fact that he pushes Bran out a window. He is still a prideful man, and he still has a weakness for his sister who is objectively evil. But remember his quote from a few episodes ago “we cannot choose who we love.” I believe that he genuinely loves Cersei for reasons that I cannot understand. But Bran surviving would risk Cersei’s life, as brother-sister incest is punishable by death.
"The only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself."
Everytime there's a Tywin scene where he's chewing someone out I get ptsd flashbacks lol. This epispde when he chastises Cersei and Tyrion...jeez. That man has a screen presence like no one else!
Children being used by their parents in arranged marriages was the norm up until the early 20th Century for most of the Western World. Marriage based on romance and love wasn't considered viable and was left to romance novels. Marriage was about socioeconomic or political gain/alliance. Emotion had little to do with marriage. That's what lovers were for.
People forgive Jaime so easily because of this scene but I haven't forgotten. He may not be as evil as Joffrey but he still did evil things because of Cersi. He pushed Bran and he still murdered his own cousin who adored him. He's a child murderer. People can make all the excuses for his choices but in the end, anyone with a good heart would never murder another.
@@carlogiurizzato2441 dont listen to show casuals
But I'm not here to only love characters with pure heart, i love some gray or even evil characters, most of the people love and forgive Jaime it's cuz he's interesting and he does try to get better and he doesn't even hide the horrible stuff he did, he accepts the consequences of his actions and try to do what he can to be better, but like everyone else in the world he sometimes makes mistakes again, but that's the beauty of this character, that's why people loves him and this scene shows a different side of him, shows that he does have a heart despise everything
@@carlogiurizzato2441 jaime doesnt give a shit about his kids lol
Tyrion is around 33 at this point in the show, around 6 years his siblings junior.
In the books he and Brienne are both much younger, with Brienne being 17 and Tyrion being 24. It changes their characters quite a bit.
This episode has so many great scenes. The "Fire fight", Reveal of Selyse's stillborn boys, Jaime & Brienne in the tub & the final scene with Tywin being a boss. Amazing stuff.
Jaime have the best character arc in televised history.
LOL that look on Sophie’s face at 20:00. Big Daddy Tywin strikes again.
After this, I stopped calling Jamie the Kingslayer.
So many hints through 1 and 2 you don't really notice until you rewatch them.
Anybody would have his attitude after that, however many years being known asthe man without honour, after a while it's easier to just live up to the reputation, that and Ned caused that reputation
So yeah, the audience never really cares about Jaime being the kingslayer. we didn't know him then and all we've heard is how awful the king was. It's hard to understand until this point what that label did to Jaime's life. He was forced on the kingsguard at 15. It was his entire life. And all of its glory and honor was ripped away from him while barely an adult at that point, for saving all the people in the city. How could he function if he let people know how much their disrespect hurts? That moment is why Jaime is who he is. It has defined him his entire adult life.
The bow of celibacy is not stupid. It is what keeps the men of the watch from exchanging a terrible life of duty for a life with a woman and family. Maester Aemon explained this to Jon, if you remember.
One of the best scenes of this season is when they make the viewer think Jaime and Brienne are finally gonna have a somewhat cliche sappy moment in the bath, but then they do a total 180 degree bait and switch and give you one of the most intense moments, with Jaime opening up about the murder of the Mad King Aerys. "By what right does the wolf judge the lion"....so intense!
Jaime Fookin' Lannister.
Thanks for rockin the pink shirt to go with your standard G.O.T pink makeup 💄 💗
Fun fact : Ygritte and John are married in real life and they have a kid.
Tywin cares about family more than anything. Unfortunately he just doesn't care about any individuals within the family.
Technically there is no vow of celibacy for Night Watch. Only vow to not take a wife. So yeah, no vows broken. Still serving realm of men!
Jaime opened up to Brienne because he sees in her the sort of idealistic 'true knight' that he imagined he'd turn out to be when he was young, before life and it's complications and grey areas made him cynical.
The Jaime/Brienne scene is one of my personal favorites from the series, even in the books. George R. R. Martin and Nickolai Coster-Waldau do such masterful jobs of portraying Jaime as a callous, dishonorable man who killed the man he was oathsworn to protect, impervious to the "Kingslayer" insults that everyone is constantly throwing at him to disparage his honor, that we have no problem believing it. Then in this scene we hear what actually happened from Jaime himself. He alone saved everyone in King's Landing from the Mad King and his pyromancers, and we realize all at once that his hard exterior is an act: "Jaime... My name is Jaime." He's neither callous nor dishonorable, and he's deeply pained by the reputation he now has as the Kingslayer.
One thing I thought was interesting was Shireen‘s (Stanis’ daughter) blonde hair. Remember Ned reading the great book of houses determined Joffrey and his siblings were all Jamie’s based on their blonde hair. The great book of houses reflected that all Baratheons were black of hair. But here you have Stanis and his wife, both black of hair, produced a blonde child - Shireen. Now she’s not a Lannister platinum blonde, but she is blonde. So if two black haired Baratheon/wife can produce a dirty blonde daughter why couldn’t a black hair Robert Baratheon and a blonde hair Cersei produce blonde her children? I think Game of Thrones realized they made a mistake as Shireen’s blonde hair gets darker as the episodes go along.
Glad you recognized he’s like his dad. He HAD to kill karstark cause it’s law. He was a murdering (and treasonous) piece of shit. Ned woulda done the same. Robb was so pissed after cause he knows how much this will hurt his army but he had to do it.
You really are insightful and balanced, Sofie. Nice -
One of my favorites episode
The Jamie tub scene is really good in the books to.
Ygritte and Jon ended up getting married in real life.
BY WHAT RIGHT, DOES THE WOLF, JUDGE LION?!
Littlefinger is by leaps the best character in the show.
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Great reaction👏🏻
Did Ned initialy had regards on the well being of Sansa when he agree to marry her to Joffrey ? No.
Politics, politics, politics !
I kind of wished sansa would fall in love with tyrion in the end after the war, he was so kind to her and she never gave him a chance because of his looks, it would have rounded her character out and made her seem less vain
you marry sansa! you marry loras!matchmaker of the year.
Season 3 episode 9 , excited
3:03 "She's really into him" - And he's really into her. Literally 😅
Jamie and Ned are actually really similar in nature , they both have their honour but have made decisions for their family sacrificing their honour . Ironically they don't even realise how similar they are and hate each other , lol.
Gendry saying Arya would be his lady...does he mean she will be her liege lordess or romantic interest? Probably the former. There's too nuch or a social gap between the too. Barristan and Jorah talking about Thoros of Myr and his flaming sword, just to remind you how interconnected it all is. Brilliant scene placement.
Getting closer and closer to...well...
By what right does the lion judge the dragon
09:47 - 09:55 PPPPFFFTTT!🤭🤭🤭 10:03 - 10:07 I swear,your faces are *priceless!* 😂 You're so cute!!X-3
11:30 - 11:38 They really have....😊💛🤍
14:57 - 15:29 There are no subtitles,but I remember what this scene is about and it made me emotional.🤎
16:03 - 16:16 SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
Arranged marriages are not new, even for our reality.
Ya I don't think I've ever wanted anything as bad as Ygritte wants Jon.
Jaime is a cocky prick because of how he has been treated after killing the mad king. Everyone treated him like he was a dishonorable asshole, so he became one. His attitude is very much connected to his backstory.
Is for episodes like this that the people in all the world love game of thrones and hate the last season
I really loved getting to hear Jaimie's story regarding the mad king because that was something we've been waiting for for a long time... the reason why he killed him. The scenes with Brienne were amazing, as usual. I love their weird chemistry. lol.
ARYA AND GENDRY. OMG that scene was so sad. I loved when she said he could be her family. The way she delivered that line was just so good. And then him saying she'd be his lady... I love them.
Tyrion having to marry Sansa... whatttttt. So creepy and weird. But at least he would be a kind husband to her and protect her and not take advantage of her or treat her badly. I have a feeling thats the plan thats going to go through. Cersei having to marry Loras.. serves her right for laughing at Tyrion.
I enjoyed this episode for Robb but I am worried for him. I dont think he made the right decision losing all those men. He should have listened to his mother and wife. With that said, he could have punished the guy in another way, like cutting off his limb or something lol. And now wanting to contact the man he betrayed? No. I dont see this going well.
Dany is so sweet. I loved how she treated one of the soldiers and told him to pick a new name.
One thing I really love about this show is that it remembers its history and brings things full circle and doesnt drop storylines.
The way he uses Tyrion and Cersei makes you wonder how Jamie gets away with being unmarried and providing no Lannister heirs
bcs he is in the Kingsguard bozo
@@eurongreyjoy1008 yes I know that's a Kingsguard rule of course, not actually a bozo thanks very much, but why did Tywin allow Jamie to take that choice in the first place is what I wonder as marrying him off to some house that would gain power seems more like his method. Maybe there was some gain to being Kingsguard that outweighed that? Anyone who's read the books got any insight?
@@xoxoxANGExoxox at the time Tywin was the hand of the King and he actually was responsible for everything good happening on the realm. everyone was talking about how Tywin was the real ruler and not the actual King. bcs of that the Mad King put Jaime in the Kingsguard to piss Tywin and Jaime accepted the place despite Tywin telling him not to bcs he wanted to be on the court with Cersei. Tywin after that resigned from hand and returned to Casterly Rock with Cersei. Tywin didnt want Jaime to join the Kingsguard but he couldnt rly do anything about it. He had no power over the King
@@eurongreyjoy1008 That makes a lot more sense that it was a power play against Tywin, Thanks for the info
are those re-upload?
To be honest, Jaime never intended to even try to explain anything. Ned found him sitting on the throne with arrogance, the corpse at his side. Ned never gave him an opportunity but neither did Jaime. Also he was alone with the king, the rest of the kingsguard died or were already prisoners of the rebels. He could've imprison him, knock him out, lock him in his chambers etc etc. Its an amazing scene but Jaime is still full of bullshit.
@@carlogiurizzato2441 I read them probably more times than you lmao The fuck does that change? I said Ned never gave him a chance, but Jaime also never intended to explain himself to him because he's an arrogant asshole. He was, is and will be a fucking prick and his redemption is overrated as hell.
Have you reacted to BTVS S06E07? I may be confused. If so is there a link?
She's still in BTVS S05E13
I’m in S06E08 over on Patreon
@@SoFieReactsTV not showing on my Patreon but I might not have a high enough tier or something. The latest Buffyverse episode I show is Angel S03E06. Oh well, thanks for all you do, hope you feel better.
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Naw the Red Woman Does Not have that kind of Power
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How could anybody be worse than king joff?
It sucks that Jaime chose pride and foolishness over being honest in a way that ultimately ended up hurting him. His whole "Ned Stark has no right to judge what he doesn't understand" thing is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Imagine if you had to kill someone in self defense, but say nothing to the cops who come to the scene. You'll be arrested for murder, not because cops are judges, but because they have to work with the information they have, and you didn't say anything when they got there. If you also choose not to tell your story at trial, you'll probably be found guilty. You can't then say, "you're just gonna find me guilty on the evidence alone? Without considering my side of the story that only I know? That's not fair!"
All anyone can do is the best they can with the information they have at the time. Jaime saw Ned operating without a critical piece of information and chose not to resolve the misunderstanding, resulting in Jaime's honor being questioned everywhere he went for decades. He played himself.