If you think that hand to hand in urban combat is rare you need to read more books and watch less movies, urban combat is hand to hand, happens a lot in the jungle too
@@drno4837 what book would you recommend. Watching footage from both Ukraine and Gaza I don’t think I’ve seen any footage of actual hand to hand combat. They might be close but in the end they all get shot or killed by shrapnel
@@FinnishGear you do not ever get footage of hand to hand, the cameraman is usually dead at that time, hand to hand does not always mean punching each other's lights out or stabbing with pointy things, it can also be close combat with pistols and rifles, a young Gurka in Afghanistan was awarded the VC because he fought off 100 odd Taliban with first a machine gun then his rifle then his kukri then the stand for his machine gun then finally hit them with sand bags. Any memoirs from WW1 or WW2 will provide you with many examples, maybe even looking at the winter war histories will give you many examples, Stalingrad and berlin and much of the bulge. "with the old breed" by eugene sledge, "to hell and back" audie murphy are good places to start. Most battles involving the Japanese ended up toe to toe at some point. As I said read more watch less, no one took film or pictures of hand to hand for obvious reasons but they did write about it. In WW1 especially there were trench raid every night and that was always hand to hand to get prisoners, research the cottage industry of hand to hand weapons made by the troops back then. If you do not want to actually read then look at movies based on actual events, Pacific, band of brothers, both have a considerable amount of hand to hand incidents. In the falklands war the scots guards ran out of ammo half way up the hill and went in with the bayonet, again many first hand accounts from that punch up. Finally to labor a point, do you think in the Ukraine when people are that close in a building or a trench that they can poke things into each other that someone is really going to stand there taking bloody pictures?
@@FinnishGear oh and by the way I am really enjoying your movie so please keep up the coverage of it, I also think if anyone did invade Finland they would get just as hard a time as the Soviets did in 1939
@@drno4837 Well your point is true, a very brutal knife fight video surfaced from the Ukraine war, but Finnishgear's point still stands. Your examples, although technically modern, date back 50 - 100 years. Most soldiers during the time period had access to a few odd SMGs and MGs, but most were running long, bolt-action rifles, so using them in close quarters was difficult to say the least. Tactics and especially weapons have evolved immensily since those times. The average 2020s soldier carries a shorter, almost always full-auto capable, rifle platform and carries significantly more ammo. Hand to hand combat still happens, but it is significantly less common than before due to the fact that you can shoot multiple rounds at a single target instead of the clumsy long rifles of WW1 and 2. This is highlighted by the fact that hand-to-hand or extreme close quarter fights tend to stand out in modern media, rather than being the norm. And it is not a matter of hand held cameras anymore, most footage nowadays is recorded from helmet-mounted cameras, such as the forementioned brutal knife fight. Most of the close quarters fighting I see usually involves more magdumping at point-blank and tossing hand grenades rather than switching to knives or bayonets.
Seems like a neat show! Thanks for covering it, can't wait for episode 6.
When come ep 6??
@kimkoistinen5407 hopefully Wednesday/Thursday
I have look ep 6 tv.
@@FinnishGearIs this Wednesday 8th and Thursday 9th Jan 2025?
I want to wach this.
@@equinoxetm4132 here is how:
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If you think that hand to hand in urban combat is rare you need to read more books and watch less movies, urban combat is hand to hand, happens a lot in the jungle too
@@drno4837 what book would you recommend. Watching footage from both Ukraine and Gaza I don’t think I’ve seen any footage of actual hand to hand combat. They might be close but in the end they all get shot or killed by shrapnel
@@FinnishGear you do not ever get footage of hand to hand, the cameraman is usually dead at that time, hand to hand does not always mean punching each other's lights out or stabbing with pointy things, it can also be close combat with pistols and rifles, a young Gurka in Afghanistan was awarded the VC because he fought off 100 odd Taliban with first a machine gun then his rifle then his kukri then the stand for his machine gun then finally hit them with sand bags.
Any memoirs from WW1 or WW2 will provide you with many examples, maybe even looking at the winter war histories will give you many examples, Stalingrad and berlin and much of the bulge. "with the old breed" by eugene sledge, "to hell and back" audie murphy are good places to start. Most battles involving the Japanese ended up toe to toe at some point. As I said read more watch less, no one took film or pictures of hand to hand for obvious reasons but they did write about it. In WW1 especially there were trench raid every night and that was always hand to hand to get prisoners, research the cottage industry of hand to hand weapons made by the troops back then. If you do not want to actually read then look at movies based on actual events, Pacific, band of brothers, both have a considerable amount of hand to hand incidents. In the falklands war the scots guards ran out of ammo half way up the hill and went in with the bayonet, again many first hand accounts from that punch up.
Finally to labor a point, do you think in the Ukraine when people are that close in a building or a trench that they can poke things into each other that someone is really going to stand there taking bloody pictures?
@@FinnishGear oh and by the way I am really enjoying your movie so please keep up the coverage of it, I also think if anyone did invade Finland they would get just as hard a time as the Soviets did in 1939
@ thank you for watching!
@@drno4837 Well your point is true, a very brutal knife fight video surfaced from the Ukraine war, but Finnishgear's point still stands.
Your examples, although technically modern, date back 50 - 100 years. Most soldiers during the time period had access to a few odd SMGs and MGs, but most were running long, bolt-action rifles, so using them in close quarters was difficult to say the least. Tactics and especially weapons have evolved immensily since those times. The average 2020s soldier carries a shorter, almost always full-auto capable, rifle platform and carries significantly more ammo. Hand to hand combat still happens, but it is significantly less common than before due to the fact that you can shoot multiple rounds at a single target instead of the clumsy long rifles of WW1 and 2.
This is highlighted by the fact that hand-to-hand or extreme close quarter fights tend to stand out in modern media, rather than being the norm.
And it is not a matter of hand held cameras anymore, most footage nowadays is recorded from helmet-mounted cameras, such as the forementioned brutal knife fight. Most of the close quarters fighting I see usually involves more magdumping at point-blank and tossing hand grenades rather than switching to knives or bayonets.