Yeah. How is this, "quiet quitting" ? Because you don't want to be harassed by people when you're not getting paid or have it bleed into your personal life and cause stress/relationship problems, etc. ? Good gracious.
@@Freakazoid12345 so lemme get this straight employers. so we decide to do whats in the job description, no more, cuz U didnt pay us for doin all that extra shyt... nd U call that quitting🤔
@@red2theelectricboogaloo961 sounds like you're calling me an employer, but you're agreeing with me, right? But yeah, how can they call us doing our jobs, "quitting" ? I mean, lots of people have different strengths, weaknesses and capabilities. As long as people are doing their job to the best of their abilities, how can that be be equated to doing below the bare minimum or saying they are leaving the company? Just mind-boggling...
Hey you get what you pay for. Ya want better employees give them a carrot instead of a stick and they might actually ya know have your back instead of air'n out your dirty laundry.
@@badcad641 Experince is like light if you want darkness by all means hire quanity over quality and thats what most buisnesses do. AND the largest ones suffer. Fedex is a perfect example of this.
They wouldnt. Slavery is too expensive, because you have to sell/buy people, take care of them, teach and control them, healthcare, give them shelter and basic needs. Instead of that its much way better to take any educated Sergey, pay him 500 bucks per month in exchange for intellectual work, in order just make him to survive with that sum of money. Or even better, take some third world countries 300 people and pay them 20-40 bucks per month for any kind of work. Nowadays many working options make some people have nostalgia about slavery
Excuse me, slavery is NOT illegal and is still in practice today. Refresh yourself on the 13th Amendment. Anyone who is deemed a “criminal” is allowed to be punished with slavery. You could be completely innocent and put into shackles and held against your will anyway. But even those guilty of crimes are working hard labor for less than $1 a day and held in captivity (the same thing we did to slaves hundreds of years ago). Furthermore, prisoners pay for almost everything including medical appointments, phone calls, letters, shoes, commissary, etc. and they are only allowed to buy from the companies owned by the prisons themselves. Make no mistake, slavery is alive and well as a BILLION dollar industry, making the richest people richer off of the suffering of human beings. Same shh, different millennia.
@@powerlifter7897slavery is too expensive? Slavery is a billion dollar industry alive and well today called the American prison system. The 13th Amendment makes slavery legal still today.
Let me guess.... all three corporate bosses went home and gave themselves huge extras bonuses and extra vacation days for all the hard work they put into this interview.
@Man Her 'sorry everyone, we didn't make as much money as we expected to this quarter, I know this will disappoint you but we will be canceling the Christmas bonuses we promised. We also want you to work overtime and weekends for the next quarter until the economy improves. '
Lmao listen you don't understand what it takes to make a successful business. We work 100 hours a week in the beginning for no pay. Something you lazy people will never do. We earned our time off. You just keep complaining and you will never be a business owner
Thank God! Someone put it out here openly! Employers (Mostly Older Generations) are so toxic in the name of company loyalty and basic human respect to workers!
@FartiusMaximus exactly. they are redefining working as "quiet quitting". i wonder if they would call the employer paying you 100% of your salary "quiet firing".
Cheers, I will try that if I get a chance. "My performance review was good and I have been given more responsibility, but I haven't been promoted nor has my pay been increased. Are you QUIETLY FIRING me?"
You never get rewarded for going above and beyond. You just become the guy/gal that everyone goes to for every little road bump or problem. I’m sure many folks here can relate.
When a supplier experiences a cost increase and contacts a business and says "look, we've been forced to change our formula to keep competitive. Our product meets the original specifications but it may not be suitable for some novel applications our customers rely on. You may be interested in our newer high-performance series of products which are available at a slightly increased cost," how do they respond? Do they want to keep paying the same cheap price for the agreed-on performance, or do they want to upgrade?
You know what's amazing? Those business owners, (well, the two that actually made it themselves) are independent precisely BECAUSE they want to be rewarded for their hard work. It's wild that they can't understand that unless you make money, you shouldn't do the work.
Just recently our company lost a key individual. She always went above and beyond and knew everything. Everyone came to her for help. I told her repeatedly that she underestimated her value. Of course the big wigs never recognized that, they took her for granted. Anyway she got burnt out and went hysterical crying and finally quite in desperation. Now we are all suffering with her not being there. I'm not sure they even realize what went wrong. The owner said something about "hard to find good people, they all want $15 and hour..." Yeah dick, $15 and hour ain't sheet for real work that not everyone can do well. They will never understand.
hey everyone! my name is hunter and i was on this episode of dr. phil. i just stumbled across this video and i want to add a few things. 1. ryan is one of the most intelligent, well spoken, bad ass people i’ve had the privilege of meeting. i’ve developed friendship with him since the show and he’s a stand up guy. absolutely carried our side lol. 2. i completely agree that i could have used some more logistical arguments. it was difficult at parts given the questions they gave me. i was also brought on the show as the “passionate/angry gen z” representative. much of what i said was actually cut off from the original filming of the episode. 3. it was extremely hard to get through to the other side as you can see in the episode. i thought i’d have the best chance at connecting with the other side if i used a more empathetic argument to help them understand what certain individuals are going through. unfortunately as you just saw, we didn’t come to much of an understanding lol. 4. joshua i appreciate your feedback and highlighting this episode. i think it’s an important topic and i’m beyond thankful it’s getting more attention. also, they edited out my watermark on my video, did not mention my tiktok handle, did not pay a dime for shooting this episode, and didn’t even bother to add my last name. overall it was a great experience and i learned a lot, but i would never return to the dr. phil show. amazing video, much love. (tiktok- @hunterkaimi)
That’s absolutely insane. I’m glad that although the show misrepresented you, we have our own avenues of social media where you can be heard. Thank you for commenting!
Honestly, I didn't have a problem with your arguments. Joshua said they weren't logical but why not? Not everyone wants to work extra hours, even if they're going to get paid extra. If I'm getting paid well enough, I don't want overtime because I don't need the money and I'd rather be doing literally anything else.
I’m an older GenX software engineer and I’ve been quiet quitting for the last 20 years. Finally, I’ve got the new generation on my side. Thank you, GenZ! I love you guys! 😎🤘
As a Gen Z who doesn't know if I'll be able to retire one day, I send my best wishes to Gen X and the Millennials that they can retire! I'm 20 and I was set on quiet quitting before I started working, It especially would benefit me to quiet quit at my current job since it's casual and therefore I'm not guaranteed to get shifts. If I get less done when I am there, there will be more to do later, meaning I get more shifts and get paid more. Gen X, Millennials and Gen Zs may have an age gap but at least we can be together in sticking a middle finger to the boomers.
I will be able to retire, but that was just luck xd. I try to work as little as possible. I am not quite quitting, I am existing quietly on the pay roll. I come in, do most of what I need to do, dodge as much work as i can, and then clock out after a sneaky nap or at least a sneaky snooze.
Imagine generating millions of dollars a year in value for your company and getting compensated like 100,000-200,000 for it, then your boss earning 2x that is angry because you won't do their job for them T-T. XD The people who really have something wrong with their heads are the ones working 60-80 hours a week and getting paid for 40 while getting shafted by inflation at the same time(cough cough salary workers).
@@blameekatoneikosipente482 good thinking, if you're working hard and looking for new work all the time, often that will just annoy your boss... and if your boss is clever he'll just enjoy the ride and prune your hard work, so basically he gets a free ride on your effort while you work hard... and the idea of promoting somebody that works hard for you... only if that person is constantly indicating he's on job interviews and about to land a better gig.
My ex husband worked for the same company for 32 years. One day they called him into the office and let him go. Then they walked him out of the building like he was some sort of criminal. No retirement party; no chance to tell his employees and co-workers good-bye; not even a thank you for your hard work and dedication. I no longer sacrifice myself on anyone else’s alter. I do my job. I do it well. Then I come home and live my life.
@@richDonaldPumpBoth widowed, both used to living alone. Maybe to set in our ways? It was a mutual decision. We get along much better now. Go figure. 🤷♀️🤪😂
I can ... The tragedy of Dr. Phil is that he forgot what he went through to gain his Ph.D in Clinical Psychology, and his postdoctoral in Forensic Psychology ... Rather, he is more of a businessman, who, whilst not actually saying it, likely sets 'the tone', that clocking in at 8am, and clocking out at 5pm, is not enough. That quickly gains momentum the lower down the management chain you go, where 8 -10hrs/day, and being available on Saturdays, 'meets expectations' which doesn't always equate to a pay rise. For that you need to 'exceed expectations', by always being switched on, especially answering emails right upto 8pm at night, from home, and then treat Saturdays as just another work week. Which leads to the paradox that, despite expectations of being promoted, you've fallen into the trap of making yourself too invaluable in your current position. If you're lucky, you may get a pay rise, but nothing much beyond that, as you set the tone for the management above you that you will continue to work as hard as that until either they, or you, retire. And don't dare complain about anything about your job, whilst at work. The result is too often a backlash against you, especially when some staff are treated more favourably than others; and where expectations of them is lower than the way higher expectations of you, just to get the same performance evaluation.
@@PepeCoinMania I see, you're talking with confidence, that comes only with experience. Care to tell me, which country of Europe you've been living in?
Yeah, you can be a "quiet quitter" at work, but if you're a "quiet quitter" in life (doing the bare minimum to survive, not reaching higher or ever pushing yourself), you're going to have a bad time, and I don't want one cent of tax dollars to make it more comfortable for you. No shortage of walmart employees with 15 years of experience, they may be wonderfully sweet and kind people, but at the end of the day they too will get what they deserve based on the last 20 years of decisions.@@attackhelicopter-up3dh
@@fuckyoutube4398when you think about it, by in large, this tactic of the hyper wealthy has not changed since the middle ages. In medieval times, the kings and nobles justified their absurd wealth by saying it was “divine right” and that god willed it. They said this because it appealed to the religious/spiritual mentality many held at the time. Nowadays, millionaire and billionaire say that they “earned” all their wealth from hard work. They say this because it appeals to the capitalists/American Dream mentality of making a name for yourself. In both cases, they where born into a bunch of wealth, and as such had a ton of resources at their disposal to make more. They’re just trying to hid the fact that, if circumstances where different, they would be stuck as the peasant in the middle ages or a modern fast food employee.
"Sounds like you haven't found a passion" You're right it's my fault staring at an excel sheet for 10 hours a day doesn't just bring joy to every fiber of my being. My bad.
@@bluezy710 Precisely. If your "passion" isn't something that involves giving your limited life away to a corporation that doesn't give a shite about you... well, you're just a slacker.
Yep the "passion" part is the con. They don't want you to find YOUR passion. They want you to act passionate towards THEIR passion and work towards THEIR vision. That is fair enough if compensation is adequate, but using that to extract free labour out of employees is grossly dishonest. The vast majority of paying jobs are mindnumbing, because they have had all creativity sucked out of them. I've done lots of jobs and worked hard enough at them, but could never claim an ounce of passion until I became self-employed and got to realise my and my clients visions.
Opportunities don’t find anyone. You have to go get those opportunities. Even in the same job, you should be asking for raises and promotions and applying for better positions in that company. If you can do that, then it means you found opportunities in your job. If not, then you need to leave and find the opportunities.
Funny enough the biggest thing people who are quiet quitters say is that changing jobs nets a higher raise then an actual raise or promotion. From my experience it's true.
@@breakthecode4634 It’s true because companies have more money in their hiring and training budget than they do in their payroll budget. Per employee, I mean. It costs them less to hire new people at higher wages than to promote and give raises.
@@breakthecode4634this is very true. I have moved around several times when I hit a cap. So about every 2 years I take a new job to increase my salary
Just finished a project at work. Worked multiple 12 - 16 hour days to meet the deadlines as the only developer on the team. I am a junior, no real support, no one else knew this specific codebase. I had to figure it out all by myself. After I finished the project I asked for time off (which I hadn't used yet for the entire year) and they said no. They need you on the next project immediately. They will work you untill you die if you let them. Say no to inconsiderate managers!
Americans are "quiet quitting" while Chinese are doing 996. 9am to 9pm, 6 days a week. US is doomed. I average 10-12 hour days, 6 days a week for the last 5 years working for various start ups. I get/got paid decently so maybe I am not in the same boat as you, but still... all this talk of quiet quitting is ridiculous. You are not working on a coal mine doing 10 hours / day doing various hard labor while getting paid $10.50/hr. You are most likely working at an office, possibly remotely from home... most likely making 6 figures... and still complaining. I don't think you understand JUST HOW LUCKY you really are.
Yes. It's better the way you said. The word quitting is itself turning into something negative and insecure. I wonder who is the fool who coined this term "Quit Quitting". Couldn't think of better words.
It is definitely important for people to be respected and payed appropriately. Ryan made a great point about employers not promoting people because they are too productive. It is in the employer's interest to get the most productivity at the lowest wage possible.
@@nickd2296 I have had that happen to me before. I lowered my productivity and got the promotion. Another good way to put it is just to tell the business "I am not running a charity, if you can't afford to pay for the effort you want, that isn't my fault."
All this talk of quiet quitting reminds me of an abusive relationship. "You have to adhere to our high standards, but we won't tell you what the standards are, you have to guess yourself. And if you don't guess what we want from you, we'll berate you and call you names." This is classic abuse, plain and simple.
If you go to a job and don’t have enough awareness to make yourself more valuable than What’s in your base description, then you are a bad worker… there is always more to do or a better way or a little extra something you could have added or got a head start on. It’s the bare minimum mentality that has made all that seem like it’s bad to do or to act like in the work place🤦🏻♂️ keep quiet quitting while I keep quietly moving up and promoting. I’m not a bosses son I just have experience and know how to make things better
@@davidmcintyre6513I doubt your moving up as fast as you think. Fact of the matter is you should be looking at other companies and taking interviews whenever you can. Your way more likely to get a larger increase in pay shifting jobs then you are for a raise or promotion. Learn your worth and stick with it.
What pushed me to quite quiting was when I worked myself into a disability for 3 years. I did effectively 8 people's worth of work. I was too valuable to promote. I never saw a raise. I literally worked so damn hard I tore my knees. 7 years later I still can't walk right. I will never recover. And I was guilted to come back to work before I could fully healed. I was never compensated. I was never thanked. I literally destroyed my knees potentially for life at 21 years old by not quite quiting.
the story is tragic and I'm really sorry for you, but it is possible to fix your knees. Ben Patrick or knees over toes guy, had two partial knee Replacements and a full knee replacement as well, an ACLU tear, a meniscus tear, constant tendonitis with his ankle, and using bodybuilding techniques, built up and restored the lagging muscle groups that were too weak in the lower half of the body and upper. I highly recommend you check out his channel, you can gain everything you need from his videos, and I have been running his program for my knees and they are becoming bulletproof when I had pain over the most small tasks for them that required any knee movement. Theres a lot of people who also fixed their knees too. Stay safe out there, and please don't lose hope on yourself over your issue. regardless of what you do, glad your doing better
@@Summer-oz6mgi wish you to be stronger, smarter and more educated. Please try as hard as possible to make yourself better, because kind people must be powerful. Also, there is a russian quote:"Kindness should be with knuckles"
I learned a few years back, after working 70-80 hour weeks to impress my bosses, only to get fired after a pretty terrible thing in my personal life kept me from working for a couple of days: don't try too hard. You *will* get taken advantage of, even though they would replace you in a heartbeat if they wanted to. No reason to go above and beyond.
How is it even possible to work 80 hours in a week? I'm not doubting you, I'm assuming weekends too, and like 14-16 hour days? when did you have time to eat and sleep?
@Skelstoolbox I slept about 3 hours a night on those weeks, and drank at least 3 monster javas a day, along with taking other stimulants. It was terrible. I was grateful for 60 hour weeks during that time. *edit* I ate while I worked or didn't eat at all. Still recovering mentally and physically, years later. 0/5 stars, would not recommend
@@asadb1990 Yeah I hear all this talk about 60-80 hour work weeks and I'm like "Damn, the overtime on that must be pretty sweet, huh?" 'Over..time?..' "You're.. You're getting paid for putting in that much effort, right?" ':)..' "And you LET them treat you this way? No. No no, come with me. We will find an entry level position that pays as much or more than you're earning now, much closer to home, and you are going to take it easy doing repeatable work. It won't be perfect, but you deserve better than.. this."
it seems to me you guys just haven't found a passion like tricking people into accepting crappy low-paying jobs while playing a scammer fake TV doctor guy ok.
Dat burn on giving the job to the boss' kid!!! SAVAGE! Edit to add: Dr. Phil and his sudo-science have done so much harm to society. His audience are not people who are in vulnerable positions where quiet quitting is necessary. He's just telling his echo chamber of an audience what he knows they want to hear, that the people they think are bad really are bad (and somehow ruining society).
Love it how rich, entitled brats who have never known what it's like to have to choose between food and rent, who have servants doing everything for them, call the working class that's tired of always going 'above and beyond' for no reward or compensation "lazy"...
It doesnt even matter if you get compensated for extra work as if you enter a new tax bracket due to extra money on salary you could potentially make less than if you didnt put in those extra hours. Meanwhile these business stooges get subsidies from the government alongside single mothers so they dont have to work, disgusting.
@@Ty_Jac Some smart CEO's let their son/daughter start at the bottom of their company to learn before giving them a manager function. The son/daughter still have a big advantage, but at least they won't be clueless.
Well yes and no. I've personally seen what goes into running your own business. It's, well... Frankly, it's absolutely ridiculous. Unless you have the capital from the get go to set up managers and a full staff, you actually DO have to put in unhealthy amounts of hours into getting things done that need to be done. But that's because you're essentially doing the work of like 6 or 7 different positions by yourself. The entire point is to put in the hard work yourself, to then hire people that do those things for you. Make no mistake, whoever built a successful business from nothing had to work extremely hard for it. But once you cross a certain threshold, the effort required to maintain it reduces drastically. The problem is that the successful business owners have a tendency to forget just how brutally difficult their start was. And, *most importantly,* that the hard work they put in will NOT yield the same return that employees see. Entrepreneurs put in that extra hard work, because they know that at the end of the road is sustainable profit for relatively small amounts of effort. For regular employees, that just isn't a reality. The job will never be anything more than just a means to make a modest living. Employees are NEVER going to put in the same amount of effort that entrepreneurs do because the future payoff just isn't even in the same realm. I think that these two are guilty of becoming too accustomed to the structure that they once worked hard to set up that now allows them to do what they do with reduced effort. The truth is, success has a tendency to make one forget where they came from.
I kinda dislike the term 'quiet quitting' for that reason. Doing your job as specified should be the default option. Businesses should not expect any employee to go above and beyond the agreed upon parameters of their job without appropriate compensation, and I think referring to the choice of not doing so as 'quiet quitting' is ceding ground to those who want employees constantly doing more than their job description to be the expected norm.
Wasn’t Dr Phil’s whole thing a few years back just beating down on people considered dumb to exploit them for content… I mean, a life catered around constant drama would seem quite the weird thing to make a life for a non-scumbag
If you hired a Plummer to fix ur toliet, you wouldn’t expect him to start repairing your walls. But yet employers hold employees to that same standard which is insane
@@zombobo101 all relationships between employees and employers are different forms of contract. The only difference is the length and the agreed upon terms of the contract AKA job description.
@@Ryo8761 this i relate to a lot. its like i agreed to a contract and somehow there is a tiny line stating that more job descriptions can be added later on.
@@gwouru Then you probably don't own a house or have experience with contractors and the trades. If the plumber has to cut open your walls, it's now your job to find a drywall guy to repair your walls if you can't do it. Then if you want that wall paonted after you have to hire a painter. Or paint it yourself. That's the way the world works. It's possible a big enough company will offer those extra services with the main job, but they will still be contracting out to other trades to do those things. Then you will basically also be paying a mark-up for that, rather than finding your own drywall guy. And if they cut open tile.....tile guy will be a different guy still.
If a bottle of water costs $1, why don’t you pay $2 instead? After all, you don’t just want to pay the required amount. Go above and beyond what it costs and pay more for everything! That is literally the same argument if we applied it to the demand side instead of the supply side. A job is a contract. You trade a service for money. Why would you freely give more service for the same money?
People's biggest regret at the end of their life is not that they didn't work hard enough but that they didn't spend enough time with loved ones. Do your job, don't bring it home with you.
"Do your job, don't bring it home with you" is exactly why I have almost none of my job's web-based training done. When I'm at work, I'm doing work stuff. When I'm at home, I'm doing home stuff.
@@RubyXIII once you realize how valuable you are to a company you can push your weight around I started as a roofer and now I'm a telecommunication technician for at&t and tmobile. Work 25 hours a week but get paid for 40. Life simply couldn't be easier.
@@vceisdead also get 150 a day perduim on top of a 1k bonus a month if we're running power cable (80% of my job). Plus 20 hours of overtime if you want it. Averages out to 170k a year. That's more than most Americans WITH families make and lve been doing that for 9 years.
I worked as a vet tech for ten years and went above & beyond every single day. I was the person who solved everyone’s problems, did all of the heavy lifting & restrained the largest most aggressive dogs, and went to the clinic at midnight multiple nights per week to check on pets hospitalized overnight whenever it was needed. I was dependable and valued by clients & the veterinarians. Despite being second in seniority out of a dozen vet techs, I was rejected after asking for a raise, and later learned that I was the lowest paid vet tech at the hospital. It taught me the life lesson that no matter how hard you work, they will always try to take advantage of you.
I hear what you say. But try to see the manager's point of view: why pay more for something you already have? Stick to the "don't work hard, work smart" motto. When you realize you put in much more effort than everyone else, don't keep straining yourself. Work towards implementing a fair rota of duties. With that, they may even come to recategorize you from "useful idiot" to "manager material". I used to be a lab-tec, was promoted to supervisor 10 years ago. Still far from actual managment, but you start to see things differently when the focus widens from just doing the work to having to keep a small part of the organization running.
I love Ryan Steiger, been seeing him a lot on the internet a lot for the past 6 months, gives great advice when it comes to legal infringements at the workplace. Love seeing him clap back against these corporate snobs
Hey, don't discount his swimming efforts... The only thing he ever put effort in... It takes a lot to be like the 50th sperm to hit the egg and be able to penetrate though. Basically building off the hard work of others so that he can benefit... It's not much different than what he does now, huh?
Especially if you are from the poorer class -- it is all "work hard and you will be handsomely rewarded". They forgot to mention the part where your "reward" are handsome amount of extra work and being laid off at a moments' notice. And you can work hard to be the nepo baby's assistant (aka free slave).
Man, I thought Quiet Quitting was giving your 2 weeks notice when you've had enough of a job. Just doing your job shouldn't be called anything special, it's just doing your job.
When I first heard about it, I thought it meant never formally putting in your two weeks or even outright quitting but just never showing up again without an explanation.
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 I had the same first impression. I honestly don't understand how it can be called "X quitting" when it literally is doing your job to the letter, no more, no less.
You are extremely observant and empathetic with the individuals you present in the video. It is important to put in a full day's work so you are not cheating an employer out of his money. It is also important for an employer not to cheat employees by imposing unrealistic expectations and unpaid overtime. This treatment of employees has been commonplace in the workforce for far too long. I applaud young people for standing up to tyranny and reminding their bosses that workers have lives outside the office. Good presentation. Thank you.
There are idiots who eventually wake up and realize their above and beyond got them maybe some praise but no comensurate financial reward. Or they embrace the borg and become a minion
Fr, and the 1st time they see you just do what is required and nothing more they hit you with the "I've noticed that you've been doing less work, you are here in body but your mind is in a different place"
Also absurd that company owners expect their hourly workers to work like they own the company and yearly profits etc. Save that for the worker's co-ops or your own company
@@Just_B0red Yes, exactly! If you start out by going "above and beyond", that becomes the default expectation and is taken for granted rather than being treated as something noteworthy. At my new job, I started out by working as slow as I could get away with (being new and still 'training' an all 😄), but when my team lead pointed out to me that I clock too much time to tasks, I switched to a slightly faster pace. Now I still work without straining myself (and could go even faster if absolutely needed), but my boss is already happy about my 'improvement' 😁 But if I started out by giving it my 100%, it would be much more difficult to show real improvement 😄
@@Just_B0red that’s when you hit them with “I’ve noticed your expectations have change based upon the original job description that we originally agreed to. I’d be happy to negotiate an appropriate compensation for my extra duties.
This is not quiet quitting. I'm 53 years old, most jobs I've held in my life involve work related interaction during working hours ONLY, and not having to interact or think about work until your next scheduled work day. This new (last 20yrs or so) corporate culture promotes "mission creep" into our personal life where we never actually get away from work. Emails, phone calls, etc.... This is called reclaiming your personal time. This is also why I have not pursued an advanced degree. PS: Let's also not forget about the the CORPORATE mandates over the last year or so, which not only infringed on our personal rights concerning Informed consent, the right to choice where there's risk involved, and bodily autonomy, but caused many people to lose their jobs.
@@noble7461 many, many places fired people for not getting injections. It was mandated. NY Supreme Court finally wrote a piece stating that it cannot be mandated. That was this week. NY Supreme Court wouldn't make a ruling if it was so rampant.
Funny, I mentioned that to my manager just recently. He said something to me like, "This is your career and this is my career" (meaning we're there to succeed). I replied to him that it was no longer a career for me, but just a job since I never got any opportunity to grow.
Then they cry and say how it isn't fair that they can't afford anything. But at least they were able to stick it to the man right? Gen z is a joke, a bunch of whiners and sissies.
Just the fact they have "the boss's kid" on stage is hilarious. Absolute proof of dynastic promotion in walking form. I can only wonder if someone else wipes junior's asss.
You mean someone who builds their own asset management company from the ground up can't hire his own son? Lol sounds like you're angry your dad didn't do anything w/ his life so you had to fend for yourself w/ whatever job you have now.
I love how people that make millions of dollars like doctor Phil just by showing up, reading a teleprompter and running their mouths, tell everyone else they don't work hard enough
phil, if he was a real psychiatrist, would know exactly what that guy was talking about when it comes to formative years and maybe not developing your passions until much later in life. but he's not and he didn't.
its honestly baffling the disconnection between employer and employee, ive had some periods where there was great synergy between them. nowadays its talking to a void of gaslighting, deception and misdirection its insane and all the reverse psychology they try on people
They are afraid of Men who know their own value, who dont simp and demand to be treated fairly in society. Oh yes they are afraid, case they know, all they have is one revolution away from being taken by opressed class of people they created.
The new "lazy people term" I heard last week was "career cushioning" It means "when you are looking for your next job, before quitting the job your current job" I laughed out loud because that was what my boomer aged business teacher told us to do to responsibly transition from one job to the next. people are just running out things to blame millennials for (since millennials are between 26-41 now and not teens and kids) so they are just looking for new terms to coin and blame the "lazy younger generation" for.
Thank you! Owning a home and living comfortably and not in excess shouldn't be an unattainable goal, but we are set up to fail because the rules keep changing to benefit a small percentage of people while leaving the rest of us scrambling to survive. I went from being an hourly, low wage earner to a college degree and almost 6 figure salary. I busted my ass and I'm not lazy. The American Dream is a joke.
@ariboreal The Boomers aren't listening. They're too comfortable in the nice houses they stole from us (their children) and sitting on the nice little next eggs that the gubberment chips into now and then when they need to. It would be a real shame (but entirely necessary) if someone were to...relieve them of all of that wealth they stole from their own offspring, especially since they are now gaslighting said offspring into thinking that they're just lazy.
Quiet quitting is nothing new. In the 70's, it was called "Take this job and shove it!" In the 80's, it was "work only as hard as you get paid and at the end of the day, don't take the job home with you." And when an employer would ask why you were leaving after you gave notice, the answer more often than not was, "It's the only way I can get a raise." In the 90's - "In this company, you don't have to outrun the bear, you only have to outrun the slowest camper." And in the 2000's, when having a conversation with a manager - "I care about you and this company as much as you care about me." And since they know they don't care about you, that you're nothing but a number to them, it sort of lets everyone know where they stand with one another. Dr. Phil will probably never have to worry about money and like most people in his income bracket, he's completely out of touch and has no perception of reality. Loved the parody of him on MADTV many years ago. It should be on RUclips. Check it out.
The main point of quiet quitting is the realization that your in a job that no matter how hard you work you can not get a raise or get promoted. So you have to bide your time until a better job comes along. That’s a lot different than being lazy.
I've found that corporations no longer care about their employees unless profits beat projections and papa CEO can buy a new vacation home or the latest euro sport car. The best way to get a pay raise is job hopping. Since 2007 I've more than doubled my income. And I don't even call the companies any longer, their recruiters are calling me almost daily.
Yup I worked at a company that wanted to save money. Everyone worked really hard and we ended up saving 10 million extra at years end. Only the managers and assistant managers got a few thousand dollar bonus for it. The 12 people under them in each department that did all the work got nothing. The following year the company ended up taking losses because everyone said screw it. Why would anyone work above their pay rate when they won't get anything for it? Everyone just did what was expected of them for their normal job but stopped going above and beyond. It became one of those things were you worked just hard enough not to get fired.
I've done the quiet quitting thing. The reason? No matter how many times I went above and beyond for my employer, no matter how many times I busted my butt, and no matter how much I displayed my intelligence, I never got any thanks or recognition for it. Meanwhile, the favorites in the group got all kinds of positive attention no matter how lazy they were. I don't play that game.
Same here, only difference is that the new hires get paid more then the ones already working there. No one wants to work for idiots so they have to offer more to entice new employees. So literally the only way to get paid more is to job hop because employers are greedy morons
Had a new guy mimic me and then prevaricate to get me to do his job for him. Right then and there I realized how manipulative he is. Now he only has to work barely harder than me to look like the best employee ever, right as I am enforcing boundaries I never had. It truly is a cold world and employers really do not give two shits about you. Plan accordingly.
The hardest I ever worked was the least I was ever paid. People really take advantage of young people too often. Joshua, your comments and observations are excellent. I never cared for the Dr. Phil Show.
The job I work at now, the store manager, literally values the new people, (who will probably be gone in a month) more than the old employees who actually do the work.
Well as a retail manager I can certainly say that unfortunately the higher-ups within the company are most likely telling them that they have to show some over amount of positivity and excitement and of course give a certain amount of praise to new employees versus ones that they know that already know what the hell the hell they're doing... Basically most companies because they don't pay but only your shit wage they can't get new employees like they used to because people are rebelling against us so when a new person does show up the manager is 100% ordered to be up their ass! But don't worry pretty soon the novelty of that new person will wear off once they hire two or three other people and that person's been there for a week if not two weeks they're not really going to be considered all that new anymore don't forget that person will get burnt on the policies that they were not told about but will be told about the minute that they get in trouble for violating said policy that they were never informed of!
@@American-Motors-Corporation It sounds as if you too have been through the mill. Every corporation is modelled after Amway. "Sell shit to your neighbors and friends and rope them in with enthusiasm". Nothing material excites me anymore and never did for very long. Regarding Black Friday (bullshit term), my mother said a few wise things such as "Nothing is a bargain if you don't need it!" She was so right and emphatic. I live by that rule. I'm the nightmare of the American corporation of peddling shit. I appreciate your response. Song: "That Old Black Magic" lyrics altered. down and down, I go 'Round and 'round, I go In a spin, hating the spin that I'm in Under that old black magic called corporate marketing bullshit.
The thing about 'Quiet Quitting' leading to speaking Chinese... China is quiet quitting just as much or more than America. They call it 'Lying Flat' or 'Let it Rot,' and they've made a whole lifestyle of it. This isn't just an American thing. It's simply the natural response for any employee realizing that their pay isn't based on merit.
sorry to ruin your 69 like count but I totally forgot about the documentary that I saw on this exact same thing. In 30 years even if the chinese do send their troops to invade us more than likely they'll see us playing games and be like "hey can I chill on the futon and just watch for a bit? My squad leaders bein a real brown noser to the man."
My dad worked at a wastewater treatment plant and has always been good at being mechanically inclined. He was a welder at Duke power for 18 years also. Let me just say when he worked at the wastewater treatment plant, he was valued so much that he was trying to move up and his supervisor finally flat out told him that he would never allow him to be promoted as long as he worked under him. He said that he would throw his application in the trashcan every time he seen it and that's why my dad finally got fed up and went into business for himself. This guy is right you can become too important to allow to become promoted if you do your job too well.
The only thing that bothers me about “quiet quitting” is that i already thought that was the agreement. Who are these traitors who set bad precedent with their overachievery
People who want to get promoted, and contribute to something they believe in and / or are able to provide health, wealth, and happiness from. When did being the best become a bad thing? Woke culture is so fucked. You don't get to have your cake and eat it to.
@@Scrimm_ they can do whatever they please. You don't understand that these people lower the bar for everyone by giving away their time for free. Employers use that as tokenism that everyone else has to follow. Instead of doing your job, the new standard is "above and beyond" and that's how we end up with the graph shown in the clip. More productivity = less promotions.
Can't quit what you never started. I've been self-employed my entire life. I've been homeless and I've been wealthy. It's been a journey, but it's a journey with no one telling me what to do all the time. It's a good feeling. All of this that I have done... Is mine. I built it. I made it. I serve no one. I'm always ready to fight everyone. This world is getting weirder.
I was super engaged when I started my new job. Then I realized noone gave a shit, and the fact that I did, was going to get me in trouble. So now I keep my head down. The place is a gong show.
I'm 52 and working harder than everyone else doesn't get you anywhere. You have to be aware when a company is taking advantage of you and there is times where you have to say "No". There are also times where you have to show a company that you can do more but if they want you to continue to do more they need to pay you. If a company isn't afraid to lose you they will never pay you what you're worth.
Being to vauble to promote is 100% a real thing. I work at the oil refinies and all the guys in my position work in the field and are supposed to be next in line to move into the office. Which is what every company tells us in meetings. Yet everytime a position opens in the office instead of moving a guy up a outside person gets hired into the position or one of the bosses kids. I've watched it happen for 13 years now thur multiple companies.
Just left the sawmill. In one year I run over half the entire mill at better than production standards with highly cleaned work areas and no down time. Everyone else sits on their ass and relaxes and I'd get almost no downtime all day cause turns out I can keep busy. Every manager spot gets filled externally by papa's boys and their friends
Yeah I don’t know what that’s about but I left that department and got a better job swiftly 😂. They called multiple times to get me to come back but I didn’t hear anything with the words “promotion” in it so I figured they didn’t need me. I was just asking for $2 more but now you’ll have to hire 2 more people 😂.
I just got laid off for :sleeping under my office desk" in the back corner of my office, where you cant see unless you walk into my office behind the desk, during the UNPAID LUNCH hour. I was shocked just how pathetic thier excuse was. They said it was bad for morale, i said it makes me more productive in the afternoon. And it was my unpaid lunch hour. They said it made me look unreliable and lazy. I was one of the best employee in the deparment. I went to have a drink after with my friend in HR, he said its becuase my salary was high and thats why i was cut. Eye opening experience.
Yup like I said hard work is rewarded with more work and eventually getting fired. I was laid off too for literally no reason even though I had some of the most important responsibilities. Going forward I'm going to do the bare minimum to not get fired and refuse any and all extra work they want to put on me. And if they want they can fire me and I'll go on unemployment again and keep the cycle going fuck it.
@nicolasacosta1673 totally It is so wild! They are literally punishing productive employees while retaining people that just cost less but didn't do nearly as much
@@sunso1991Pretty much. And I'm also never putting a two week notice, I'll quit a day before I start a new job. They don't give you a 2 week notice when they fire you why the fuck should I when I leave?
They got rid of me and hired two guys from India at less than half my salary each, They had to hand over half a big number and pay for months worth of unused vacation now years later, the update I was struggling with still is pending release as specifications continue to evolve I suppose. I sometimes have nightmares about those days I felt I had to go 18 hours, weekends and weather closing days, as I must have sucked taking decades to discover I was quietly quitting, and had no idea that was happening!
I doubt very few, if any of you have worked more that a few months ever, in your entire lives. I love to work and get great satisfaction from doing a good job, taking care of fellow human beings and providing an excellent experience for clients, my bosses and myself. I have owned my own business, a florist, as well as taught private kindergarten class, managed property, sold many great products and I look forward to my next adventure in the working world. I am recovering from an autoimmune disease, Lyme, back related or something but can't wait to find my new purpose, make some much needed money (I am retired but refuse to whine about the cost of living) and sleep well at night, happy, tired and fulfilled. God help you whiney, miserable looking Gen Z's. Get off the fake www and join the real world, make real friends and have real fun for a change. I dare you🎉😂
At my last job where I was a mechanic the spiel they give you is that they will pay for your training. Some things I learned on the job, but you can learn a lot more in class. In addition you get certificates that get you paid more and you can add to your resume. I worked my butt off at that job for 5-6 years and I was the only one there that he didn't send to class. He preferred to keep me as the volume guy.
That guy who was talking about being too valuable in a position to even be promoted is right on! I’ve seen it over and over!! People who are so good at the position they’ve been put in, they basically become an important asset to that operation. And management will keep them there because there’s no one else experienced or valuable enough to take that spot. It’s a loser deal, leave the job immediately lol
Any boss who keep in place an underling who is so suited for a role while also suppressing the said underling's benefits and advancement, is vile. Such a boss is literally amassing wealth at the well-being and future prospects of the said underling. Hierarchy is inherently unjust for it gives anyone at or near the top enormous power over those beneath. Those beneath a hierarchy are so at the mercy of superiors.
the way things are SUPPOSED to work is that person gets promoted to trainer or manager and gets a raise. then when another employee matches them the guy gets promoted again to regional trainer and then again later to head of training standards
If you're working hard and not getting recognition, raises, promotions, then absolutely. Do the bare minimum. Nobody, not even if they get stupid rich, lies on their deathbed thinking how glad they are that they spent so much time working and such little time with friends, family and doing what they loved....
A lesson that all the hustlers will learn eventually, if they are fortunate enough to make it that far without working themselves into an early death. Someday we all go.
I own a company with over 50 employees. Nobody quits because respect creates a strong chain. I have no problem being open about and sharing profits. People's hard work is openly praised and financially and latterly rewarded. I believe in flexibility and maternity leave for both men and women. When employees thrive, the company thrives.
We wish we worked for great appreciative and fair employers like yourself. You get it and your employees will want to be loyal to you. It destroys morale to work for greedy CEOs who don't value, reward, or appreciate their employees.
How do you get people to work I used to try to pay people $600 every single day and they still won't work no matter what you do they won't work drugs alcohol women partying never show up they just won't work do you hold a gun to people's heads to force them to work
I remember hearing a story of a guy who was #1 in sales for two years, he asked for a raise, they told him he was getting paid just below the average of his occupation and that his wage was fair so he wouldnt get a raise, they noticed a drop in his sales and called him in to see if he was okay, and he told them if you want to give me just below average pay then ill give you just below average work.
@@Sarah-qx4vz I wouldn’t even generalize it as “rich people” there are plenty of middle class average joes that think the same hence the part of my comment pointing out their indoctrination.
Indoctrination is a very good word to use because that's what school is. It's Indoctrination to the employee mindset and work force. Every country does need peon workers though. Economy DOES NOT WORK IF WE ALL THRIVE AND ARE RICH.
As part of that 'older' generation I have to agree that there is some truth to that. Just as you have been indoctrinated by the Marxists who have taken over our school systems that you shouldn't have to work hard to have a great life.
"Older generations" were the hippies at Woodstock who were saying stuff like this long before the youth of today thought they came up with it. This is not a new song and dance.
Let’s be honest, quiet quitting is not a thing. I understand what that combination of words pertains to, but the term was invented by bosses who are angry they can’t exploit entire generations of brainwashed employees as easily anymore.
I know right? I actually thought quiet quitting meant putting in zero effort, but apparently it's just putting in 100% instead of 110%. The idea that this is somehow empowering is just depressing really.
True. I had my hours cut since the beginning of the year. We are being auditing by corporate this week, and now the manager is in a panic, because we are not ready. I was asked to come in on my day off and my response was "no thank you." I have plans for this weekend and needed my day off to prepare. So, it's not my problem for management's failure to plan ahead for the audit.
Corporations are scared of missing out on all that free labor they've been enjoying. I'm glad people are finally... finally waking up. I was seeing this back in the 90s. It was ridiculous. No one loos back on their life and says, "I wish I would have spent more time at the office."
@@ynnad7778 it's the bit leading up to the dying that makes the difference, and yes I'd rather die extremely rich and comfortable than destitute in a ditch. Dumb question.
@@adamplentl5588 what you do before does matter, but do you think it's universal in that it's preferable to die rich than die poor? There are very many people, on both sides, that lived either the best of their lives or were in utter misery. Money is an absolutely important factor, but it's also not what determines how good of a life you've had before the point of death. Misery can be found on both sides of the money river, so at death it does actually not make a difference
After a year and a half of working at a minimum wage job. I was one of the best workers there. My boss came up to me thanked me for the hard work and commitment, looked me straight in the eyes and gave me a 25 cent raise, shook my hand and said congratulations. I’ve never felt more used than that moment. It seemed like an award show when you go up on stage and shake the peoples hands, but it was 25 cents an hour raise. That was when the switch flipped for me.
@@theghostmaker45 the sad part is I wasted a whole 6 months after that there, I was only 17 so I didn’t really know better. It’s important to know your worth.
@@masonstriz6060You were young. You got to show you can work steady, not hired and fired. Once you get the "experience" chit and show you're a good, steady worker and they can take a chance on you. You work for those douche bags like that, to get to a job worth keeping for awhile.
Not sure in the US but here in Brazil it's illegal to require someone to work extra hours without proper compensation and even more illegal to retaliate in any way in case they deny. Also, it's illegal to ask someone to perform tasks above their employment description and paygrade. Lastly, that businessmen argument about China is SO delusional. If you really want your employers to work harder and go the extra mile then create systems and rewards to incentivize and justify it, it's literally his job to do so and steer the ship, failing to do so is a clear sign of weak leadership so if anything they are the ones lacking. This guy really thinks people are gonna gather and work like slaves for him so that the US can beat China in an imaginary world of his creation while he himself sits comfortably in his yatch and mansions?! Give me a break
It's always easy for the millionaire CEO's to call others quiet quitters while they are sipping margaritas on their personal yacht somewhere out in the sun while the employees slave away to earn them their pocket money. EDIT: That Lawyer is a chad.
Well, I worked in IT for about twenty years. Did I "quiet quit" before the term was invented? I was naïve, but not totally stupid, and after a number of years I realized that the IT department was sort of like high school forever. There was the popular crowd, and the nerds who are tolerated as long as they solve problems that the popular crowd can't, and I was a nerd. No matter what I did, or how long I worked, I was one of the "out" crowd, and I would be forever, and I would never advance beyond my current position. I had hit a ceiling, and I decided to just do what was necessary to stay there (and that still required significant effort and experience. I just stopped trying to impress anyone).
Exactly my career. I was doing whatever possible at work, then figured out things after 15 years and spent next 15 years in my glide path to retirement. Spent a lot of time figuring out how to profitably invest.
@Basement Berean: Same. Doing the work and doing it exceptionally well doesn’t get you promoted. It doesn’t get you raises. It gets you more work. Work you will be stuck doing while the “popular kids” are in the boss’ office taking credit for your work, sucking up, and spitting buzzwords and praise for the boss. They use the word “team” a lot. Next thing you know, they are “team captain”, even though they don’t do anything.
I quit my corporate job 20 years ago after burning out for this exact reason, plus my job denied short term disability when i was hospitalized during a difficult pregnancy for over a month and threatened to fire me for missing too many days. I should have sued them for ADA violations but i was naive back then and took my f'ing and quit
My concern is what pushes ppl to the point of "quiet quitting". My previous job, I was working 45 to 60 hrs a week. Rotating shifts. I did that all through the pandemic. My company made record profit. I never even got a thank you or a pizza party.
I love that it's always the "older" people think doing this is lazy. They just need to accept that "working" isn't like it was back in the days. These days people just put more value in their own free time and do whatever they makes them happy. If you want to get people passionate about your company you actually need to add value to the workers life, not just see them as a worker that helps you get money.
They don't realize how much things have changed, they prob still think you can just get a factory job, work your way up and provide for your family of 4 and by a house before your 30.
I notice a lot of this attitude and language comes from America the most. And even with the younger crowds they seem to have latched onto a romantic notion of the American dream of the past than actual past. That going back behaviour wise to it or politically will undoe the circumstance and culture of the present. But it won't. Be it to the traditional family build with proper roles or the company man of the past treating his workplace almost as a second sort of family or team. I don't think these business are just greedy. I think between the pandemic, working from home and growing economic factors average people won't know about - and they would definitely never say plainly because it would show weakness - is pushing them to get uppity at the workers who are steering away from their preferred status qou.
It's ridiculous. I don't ask my mechanic to give me a blow job and drive me home for paying him to work on my car. Is he quiet quitting for only doing what I paid him to do? It's an idiotic argument easily destroyed and only thing I hear is lazy. Lazy? How is doing what we agreed on in this transaction lazy. I don't expect my escort I paid her for 2 hours of her time to "go the extra mile" and stay the night and bring me breakfast in bed. I dont expect John Wick to walk my dog on his off time if I paid him 1 million dollars for a month deadline to assassinate some rival CEO. If it doesn't make it sense in the underground world to go beyond what was paid for how does it make sense in the normal world?! Maybe the normal world isn't the right word since these CEOs live in a whole different reality brother.
"I love that it's always the "older" people think doing this is lazy. They just need to accept that "working" isn't like it was back in the days." Back in the day, an honest day's work earned an honest day's wage. Back in the day, workers had unions and shop stewards that would have had everyone out on industrial action (either having the entire workforce quietly quitting if not on strike) if a "quiet quitter" got the sack until that one worker got reinstated. Also, a worker apparently could lose one job on Friday and start a new job the next Monday. There was no such thing as sending off dozens of applications and not even getting one reply, let alone an interview. "These days people just put more value in their own free time and do whatever they makes them happy." That happened back in the day too, again because back in the day, workers enjoyed a lot of things that would be seen as extreme far-leftist anti-American Marxist Antifa Communism now. "If you want to get people passionate about your company you actually need to add value to the workers life, not just see them as a worker that helps you get money." Or just recognise that your workers are actual human beings and that their spending is where your profits come from if you provide a product or service that you expect people to buy. It's funny that the basic concept of inflation is only actually explained and demonised as the WaGe PrIcE sPiRaL when it's used to justify not increasing wages in line with prices... even though wages are the price you pay for workers time and labour.
The issue is its being propagated that being a "quiet quitter" means you dont due your actual job. I'm a tradesman and our whole crew kicks ass while we're on the clock. But as soon as our day is over we're all also going home
The irony about the speaking Chinese thing is multilevel. First, if you can speak Mandarin, that's incredible, considering how difficult of a language it is. It took me 2 years to learn it to a decent enough level to talk to someone. Second, quiet quitting has been around in China for a very long time. Tang Ping, or Lie Flat, is a movement that has dominated the Chinese condition. And a more extreme version called Bai Lan, or Let it Rot, us also gaining traction, which you can do the math on what it entails.
Lol, boomer TV hosts in China are also making the trashy point that if you Tang Ping or Bai Lan, China will always stay a poor country and have no chance of competing with America. It's kinda a funny mirror. Don't use politics to pressure me into working outside of my normal hours!
@@dylanwang8779 that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. And if I recall correctly, these same boomers are a part of China's lost generation, the same generation who destroyed their own country under Mao. Who are they to talk about holding their country back when that's exactly what they did? I smell projection.
This, this this this. I have worked in both China and the United States and I can speak, read, and write Chinese. I second everything you just said and I wish to further add that I have come to aggressively defend my time against corporate/business mission creep in regards to day-to-day operations. There is a very obvious tendency to demand ever greater amounts of time from laborers, without any additional compensation. I have outright told employers that they will not get to enjoy a limited license over 80% of the total time in my life for the same rate that they pay to enjoy a limited license over 25% or 30% of the total time in my life. The opportunity cost that I would have to eat is way too much for me to reasonably justify selling such a license at the same rate. Furthermore, the sheer condescension of suggesting that learning the primary language of the second largest economy in the world is a bad thing, especially when a large number of people from that economy participate in the US economy in some way blows my mind. Young adults in China absolutely know this game that employers play all to well, just like you said.
Dr. Phil should be expected to relate to the CEOs. He runs the show and most likely grew up on the traditional "motivational speech" deal that the CEOs keep spouting. People are just saying they want to be paid for their work!
'Quiet quitting' is just a new name for a very old phenomenon. Even 25 years ago I had coworkers that would regularly 'eff the dog' or otherwise put in the minimum when they could get away with it. I think the reason it's come up recently is the frustration of middle managers when there's a labor shortage: They have nothing to offer to motivate their workers other than platitudes, and they can't fire the 'low performers' because frankly they are having trouble filling existing positions. Once the recession comes they will be the first to go, but until then remember that it's the job of the company to make money. The job of a worker is to feed and clothe themselves by plying their trade. If they burn themselves out they starve, so while the company optimizes to earn as much money as possible, the worker needs to optimize to earn as much as they can for doing as little as possible. It's just an optimization problem where the interests of the parties aren't in perfect alignment anymore.
"the worker needs to optimize to earn" I agree. I optimize my earnings by turning 'dollar notes' into ounces of Gold. Seriously. I take "dollars", go buy some gold as my savings, since gold is real money and notes are man-made constructs of devaluation and debauchment that turn you into a destitute. I spend some of the other dollars on neccessities and entertainment/enjoyment. And now my work/earnings are optimized!
You nailed it. There have been people forever who just do the minimum. People have been joking about 11 union labor guys all looking at a hole in the ground for a week for years
Completely agree. Been in tech for 12 years. Some of the most average or below average engineers are in their 40's and 50's. They've been living w/ this mindset because they were burned or just gave up long ago. The only difference is younger folk are just trying to coin some new thing to vent their frustration. This shit has existed since the stone-age, man. Quiet quitting is lame. If you're better than what they're paying you, move the fuck on. If you can't, you're probably not better than what they're paying you. Speaking on the tech industry specifically, to be very clear. There is too much opportunity out there to say you can't find something better.
@@jordangl1 Yep, the movie office space was the funniest movie I ever saw and the main character basically quietly quit and that came out 23 years ago. This has been around forever.
@@Cybertech134Yep. I'm a long haul trucker and love every minute of it. A lot of people just don't have the courage to chase after something they find genuinely interesting. I was working in machining and went through chaos to get started in trucking. Worth it.
Boomer here with decades of experience as a worker and management in corporate America as an IT professional. Output is higher than ever. I did the expectations for decades. I went above and beyond for decades and it went nowhere. I became too valuable to promote and my only way out was to find a different job in a different company. I spent many years in the same company, that was STUPID. I should have changed companies EVERY 3 YEARS. If you are not finding a new job in a new company every 3 years, YOU ARE DEAD ENDING YOURSELF. NEVER give your loyalty to a company because no company will EVER be loyal to you. Quiet quitting should be practiced by EVERYBODY. Failing to do so will only hold you back in your career.
This may be my favorite video of yours. I fell for all of these bs mottos. 30 years later, I regret not having voices of reason in my life. I regret not focusing more on my health, my relationships, my hobbies, etc. I would have had a much richer life.
You do realize most Millionaires especially self made Millionaires work like 100 hrs a week right? All you see is the end product you don't see what it took to get there.
@@irrecconyh what it took to get there while focusing on their own stuff, not 100h/week working for others. No one here is saying to be lazy, but do what is stated in ur contract and dont people use u beyond ur contract agreement, and if ur not happy find another job who will value u more and so on.
@@mr.darknight416 people can do that if the want to be average, but there will always be someone willing do more. Those people will be the ones getting promoted. Quit quiters are actually doing them a favor by reducing the competition.
@@irrecconexcept they have an end product They work a ton, however they get far far more back and can retire whenever they please. Most people don’t get good or even balanced returns for hard work
I have two BAs and two MAs that I'm paying off. I got them so that I could rise to the top in my field, do the work, get to a place where I could make the big decisions, and achieve financial stability. What I have are incompetent bosses who are less qualified than I am, asking me to do their jobs for them and threatening me with the moniker "quiet quitter" when I don't return emails after 10:00PM. They've been getting a sick deal: I spent money on my own upgrades and they get to use me until I get sick of not receiving raises. When I inevitably quit, they'll throw the same _You just haven't seemed as focused lately_ crap at me.
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5 years ago, we called quiet quitting "having a healthy work-life balance" or as my dad said, "You work to live, you don't live to work."
Yeah.
How is this, "quiet quitting" ?
Because you don't want to be harassed by people when you're not getting paid or have it bleed into your personal life and cause stress/relationship problems, etc. ?
Good gracious.
@@Freakazoid12345 so lemme get this straight employers.
so we decide to do whats in the job description, no more, cuz U didnt pay us for doin all that extra shyt...
nd U call that quitting🤔
@@red2theelectricboogaloo961 sounds like you're calling me an employer, but you're agreeing with me, right?
But yeah, how can they call us doing our jobs, "quitting" ?
I mean, lots of people have different strengths, weaknesses and capabilities.
As long as people are doing their job to the best of their abilities, how can that be be equated to doing below the bare minimum or saying they are leaving the company?
Just mind-boggling...
@@Freakazoid12345 naw man i was agreeing.
@@red2theelectricboogaloo961 ah, ok. Evils of the internet gave me comment section PTSD.
Ah yes, people not wanting to work for free is being lazy but the bosses wanting free work isn’t them being cheap.
This is so tru3
It's the mental gymnastics for me😂🤣
Hey you get what you pay for. Ya want better employees give them a carrot instead of a stick and they might actually ya know have your back instead of air'n out your dirty laundry.
@@MJSGamingSanctuary experience is worth more than money.
@@badcad641 Experince is like light if you want darkness by all means hire quanity over quality and thats what most buisnesses do. AND the largest ones suffer. Fedex is a perfect example of this.
Dr. Phil quiet quit his job a long time because he barely acts as a doctor for his show.
He's legally not allowed to he lost his license to practice then started his show his title is show exclusive
Sounds like it's Ranch time for you.
@@alexcunningham1647 He didn't really "lose" his license, he just never renewed it.
@@alexcunningham1647 He cannot be a doctor but still can use the title "Dr." since he got his PhD
He’s gonna need some ice and cream for that burn
Companies complaining about quiet quitting is a reminder that if it wasn't illegal they would endorse slavery.
Don't mention it dear, come to the third world to see.😂😂😂😂
They wouldnt. Slavery is too expensive, because you have to sell/buy people, take care of them, teach and control them, healthcare, give them shelter and basic needs.
Instead of that its much way better to take any educated Sergey, pay him 500 bucks per month in exchange for intellectual work, in order just make him to survive with that sum of money. Or even better, take some third world countries 300 people and pay them 20-40 bucks per month for any kind of work.
Nowadays many working options make some people have nostalgia about slavery
Child labour is a thing, and not a single libertarian stood up against it.
Excuse me, slavery is NOT illegal and is still in practice today. Refresh yourself on the 13th Amendment. Anyone who is deemed a “criminal” is allowed to be punished with slavery. You could be completely innocent and put into shackles and held against your will anyway. But even those guilty of crimes are working hard labor for less than $1 a day and held in captivity (the same thing we did to slaves hundreds of years ago).
Furthermore, prisoners pay for almost everything including medical appointments, phone calls, letters, shoes, commissary, etc. and they are only allowed to buy from the companies owned by the prisons themselves. Make no mistake, slavery is alive and well as a BILLION dollar industry, making the richest people richer off of the suffering of human beings. Same shh, different millennia.
@@powerlifter7897slavery is too expensive? Slavery is a billion dollar industry alive and well today called the American prison system. The 13th Amendment makes slavery legal still today.
I work for $14/hr and I have a college degree. Quiet quitting keeps my sanity in check.
I make 14 also, sucks but I have to or else I'm homeless. McDonald's sucks btw, on your feet 8 hrs
Time to move. Even auto manufacturing pays twice that.
And that's cause yall doing it on easy mode, here in Brazil only the top 20% of workers make 1/10 of that!
@@guilhermegoldmanthe proportions of y’all’s market is different than ours 14/hr Is just scraping by in the us
@@bloccemno shit, stuff here is usually at least twice as expensive!
Let me guess.... all three corporate bosses went home and gave themselves huge extras bonuses and extra vacation days for all the hard work they put into this interview.
Bah. Let's dip in the employee funds. I'm going to Aruba for a month
@Man Her 'sorry everyone, we didn't make as much money as we expected to this quarter, I know this will disappoint you but we will be canceling the Christmas bonuses we promised. We also want you to work overtime and weekends for the next quarter until the economy improves. '
Being a CEO is a lazy job.
Lmao listen you don't understand what it takes to make a successful business. We work 100 hours a week in the beginning for no pay. Something you lazy people will never do. We earned our time off. You just keep complaining and you will never be a business owner
honeysucker
Most quiet quiters are ppl that worked more than everyone and were let down several times to the point they just gave up.
Most of them are people who don’t realize they’re doing it. Millennials called it a work-life balance. Gen Z just attached a label to it.
Just like in the dating scene. Women killed chivalry and greedy employers generated quiet quitting
Literally what I'm dealing with now. My last day with that situation is tomorrow then onto more rewarding employment
That was me. Went above and beyond, got paid scraps and got treated the worst ironically.
YEP!!!!! never doing more for a company like the last place i worked with
If an employer can fire someone without cause, warning, reason, or warning, then an employee can do the exact same thing. End of story.
Agree. It should and does actually go both ways. They can fire you without reason and you can quit without reason.
Thank God! Someone put it out here openly! Employers (Mostly Older Generations) are so toxic in the name of company loyalty and basic human respect to workers!
it's weird how they call doing 100% of your job "quiet quitting".
do they call the employer paying you 100% of your salary "quiet firing"?
@FartiusMaximus
exactly. they are redefining working as "quiet quitting".
i wonder if they would call the employer paying you 100% of your salary "quiet firing".
Cheers, I will try that if I get a chance. "My performance review was good and I have been given more responsibility, but I haven't been promoted nor has my pay been increased. Are you QUIETLY FIRING me?"
@FartiusMaximus exactly the problem is they are calling the working quiet quitting
Employers expecting extra for free is definitely “quiet exploitation”
No y’all lazy and entitled call it under compensation even though they are paying you 100% of the wages you agreed to work at!😑
You never get rewarded for going above and beyond. You just become the guy/gal that everyone goes to for every little road bump or problem. I’m sure many folks here can relate.
110% has never backfired worse
When a supplier experiences a cost increase and contacts a business and says "look, we've been forced to change our formula to keep competitive. Our product meets the original specifications but it may not be suitable for some novel applications our customers rely on. You may be interested in our newer high-performance series of products which are available at a slightly increased cost," how do they respond? Do they want to keep paying the same cheap price for the agreed-on performance, or do they want to upgrade?
You know what's amazing?
Those business owners, (well, the two that actually made it themselves) are independent precisely BECAUSE they want to be rewarded for their hard work.
It's wild that they can't understand that unless you make money, you shouldn't do the work.
This is so damn true
Just recently our company lost a key individual. She always went above and beyond and knew everything. Everyone came to her for help. I told her repeatedly that she underestimated her value. Of course the big wigs never recognized that, they took her for granted. Anyway she got burnt out and went hysterical crying and finally quite in desperation. Now we are all suffering with her not being there. I'm not sure they even realize what went wrong. The owner said something about "hard to find good people, they all want $15 and hour..." Yeah dick, $15 and hour ain't sheet for real work that not everyone can do well. They will never understand.
hey everyone! my name is hunter and i was on this episode of dr. phil. i just stumbled across this video and i want to add a few things.
1. ryan is one of the most intelligent, well spoken, bad ass people i’ve had the privilege of meeting. i’ve developed friendship with him since the show and he’s a stand up guy. absolutely carried our side lol.
2. i completely agree that i could have used some more logistical arguments. it was difficult at parts given the questions they gave me. i was also brought on the show as the “passionate/angry gen z” representative. much of what i said was actually cut off from the original filming of the episode.
3. it was extremely hard to get through to the other side as you can see in the episode. i thought i’d have the best chance at connecting with the other side if i used a more empathetic argument to help them understand what certain individuals are going through. unfortunately as you just saw, we didn’t come to much of an understanding lol.
4. joshua i appreciate your feedback and highlighting this episode. i think it’s an important topic and i’m beyond thankful it’s getting more attention.
also, they edited out my watermark on my video, did not mention my tiktok handle, did not pay a dime for shooting this episode, and didn’t even bother to add my last name. overall it was a great experience and i learned a lot, but i would never return to the dr. phil show.
amazing video, much love.
(tiktok- @hunterkaimi)
🤔 Is it misinformation if someone says "She was 12 he was Joe Biden... I mean 30."? 👈🏿 hmmmm
That’s absolutely insane. I’m glad that although the show misrepresented you, we have our own avenues of social media where you can be heard. Thank you for commenting!
Dr. Phil is an asshat so I am not surprised.
Honestly, I didn't have a problem with your arguments. Joshua said they weren't logical but why not? Not everyone wants to work extra hours, even if they're going to get paid extra. If I'm getting paid well enough, I don't want overtime because I don't need the money and I'd rather be doing literally anything else.
This needs a pin!
I’m an older GenX software engineer and I’ve been quiet quitting for the last 20 years.
Finally, I’ve got the new generation on my side. Thank you, GenZ! I love you guys! 😎🤘
As a Gen Z who doesn't know if I'll be able to retire one day, I send my best wishes to Gen X and the Millennials that they can retire! I'm 20 and I was set on quiet quitting before I started working, It especially would benefit me to quiet quit at my current job since it's casual and therefore I'm not guaranteed to get shifts. If I get less done when I am there, there will be more to do later, meaning I get more shifts and get paid more. Gen X, Millennials and Gen Zs may have an age gap but at least we can be together in sticking a middle finger to the boomers.
I will be able to retire, but that was just luck xd.
I try to work as little as possible. I am not quite quitting, I am existing quietly on the pay roll. I come in, do most of what I need to do, dodge as much work as i can, and then clock out after a sneaky nap or at least a sneaky snooze.
Imagine generating millions of dollars a year in value for your company and getting compensated like 100,000-200,000 for it, then your boss earning 2x that is angry because you won't do their job for them T-T. XD
The people who really have something wrong with their heads are the ones working 60-80 hours a week and getting paid for 40 while getting shafted by inflation at the same time(cough cough salary workers).
@@blameekatoneikosipente482 good thinking, if you're working hard and looking for new work all the time, often that will just annoy your boss... and if your boss is clever he'll just enjoy the ride and prune your hard work, so basically he gets a free ride on your effort while you work hard... and the idea of promoting somebody that works hard for you... only if that person is constantly indicating he's on job interviews and about to land a better gig.
Same here. I'm also generation X. Gen Z is doing great. They are even getting their teachers to quit.
My ex husband worked for the same company for 32 years.
One day they called him into the office and let him go. Then they walked him out of the building like he was some sort of criminal.
No retirement party; no chance to tell his employees and co-workers good-bye; not even a thank you for your hard work and dedication.
I no longer sacrifice myself on anyone else’s alter. I do my job. I do it well. Then I come home and live my life.
Poor dude, that same day his dog died and he find out You cheated with his dad 💀
@@AADPI'm assuming you are trying to get your trolling badge, scout. This is the hardest fail I have ever seen.
Why did y’all get divorced?
@@richDonaldPumpBoth widowed, both used to living alone. Maybe to set in our ways? It was a mutual decision. We get along much better now. Go figure. 🤷♀️🤪😂
@@projectalice8119 are you single currently?
I can't believe Dr. Phil said "slacker employees who place personal life over work" and was completely serious.
I can ...
The tragedy of Dr. Phil is that he forgot what he went through to gain his Ph.D in Clinical Psychology, and his postdoctoral in Forensic Psychology ...
Rather, he is more of a businessman, who, whilst not actually saying it, likely sets 'the tone', that clocking in at 8am, and clocking out at 5pm, is not enough. That quickly gains momentum the lower down the management chain you go, where 8 -10hrs/day, and being available on Saturdays, 'meets expectations' which doesn't always equate to a pay rise. For that you need to 'exceed expectations', by always being switched on, especially answering emails right upto 8pm at night, from home, and then treat Saturdays as just another work week. Which leads to the paradox that, despite expectations of being promoted, you've fallen into the trap of making yourself too invaluable in your current position. If you're lucky, you may get a pay rise, but nothing much beyond that, as you set the tone for the management above you that you will continue to work as hard as that until either they, or you, retire.
And don't dare complain about anything about your job, whilst at work. The result is too often a backlash against you, especially when some staff are treated more favourably than others; and where expectations of them is lower than the way higher expectations of you, just to get the same performance evaluation.
Lol you don't know Dr Phil very well then. I knew exactly where he'd fall in this argument without watching a second of this video
He was just stating a quote wasn't he?
He's not a psychologist, he just plays one on TV.
@@nigelft You mean he has those degrees? I thought he was just a phony.
I'm an European, and even the slight idea of working after hours for free sounds hilarious to me
Europe isn’t better since pay less and real estate is a mess at same level of United States.
@@PepeCoinMania I see, you're talking with confidence, that comes only with experience. Care to tell me, which country of Europe you've been living in?
In china now they have a term for their version of quiet quitting. It's called "Lying Flat". It's pretty much the same thing as quiet quitting.
@@PepeCoinManiain none of the countries in Europe I know of is the pay lower than in the US.
Yeah, you can be a "quiet quitter" at work, but if you're a "quiet quitter" in life (doing the bare minimum to survive, not reaching higher or ever pushing yourself), you're going to have a bad time, and I don't want one cent of tax dollars to make it more comfortable for you. No shortage of walmart employees with 15 years of experience, they may be wonderfully sweet and kind people, but at the end of the day they too will get what they deserve based on the last 20 years of decisions.@@attackhelicopter-up3dh
6:02 "They're going to promote the boss's kid"
Cutiing to the boss's kid's face was comedic gold, not gonna lie.
Nepotism Yaaaaaay
Kid knows he'd be flipping burgers if his dad wasn't who he was lol.
@@fuckyoutube4398when you think about it, by in large, this tactic of the hyper wealthy has not changed since the middle ages.
In medieval times, the kings and nobles justified their absurd wealth by saying it was “divine right” and that god willed it. They said this because it appealed to the religious/spiritual mentality many held at the time.
Nowadays, millionaire and billionaire say that they “earned” all their wealth from hard work. They say this because it appeals to the capitalists/American Dream mentality of making a name for yourself.
In both cases, they where born into a bunch of wealth, and as such had a ton of resources at their disposal to make more. They’re just trying to hid the fact that, if circumstances where different, they would be stuck as the peasant in the middle ages or a modern fast food employee.
This is a fact
ginger dude with glasses is a straight savage for that one, cameramen is too lmao
"Sounds like you haven't found a passion"
You're right it's my fault staring at an excel sheet for 10 hours a day doesn't just bring joy to every fiber of my being. My bad.
🤣
And then they compare it with well you can look at call of duty screen for 6 hours
This whole idea of finding passion in a career is a scam they don't realize they bought into.
@@bluezy710 Precisely. If your "passion" isn't something that involves giving your limited life away to a corporation that doesn't give a shite about you... well, you're just a slacker.
Yep the "passion" part is the con. They don't want you to find YOUR passion. They want you to act passionate towards THEIR passion and work towards THEIR vision. That is fair enough if compensation is adequate, but using that to extract free labour out of employees is grossly dishonest.
The vast majority of paying jobs are mindnumbing, because they have had all creativity sucked out of them. I've done lots of jobs and worked hard enough at them, but could never claim an ounce of passion until I became self-employed and got to realise my and my clients visions.
"Opportunities will find you if you're putting your best out there."
Ma'am, that's called finding another job.
Opportunities don’t find anyone. You have to go get those opportunities. Even in the same job, you should be asking for raises and promotions and applying for better positions in that company. If you can do that, then it means you found opportunities in your job. If not, then you need to leave and find the opportunities.
Funny enough the biggest thing people who are quiet quitters say is that changing jobs nets a higher raise then an actual raise or promotion. From my experience it's true.
@@breakthecode4634 It’s true because companies have more money in their hiring and training budget than they do in their payroll budget. Per employee, I mean. It costs them less to hire new people at higher wages than to promote and give raises.
And it's hard to do that when you got an extra 4 hours of work a day.
@@breakthecode4634this is very true. I have moved around several times when I hit a cap. So about every 2 years I take a new job to increase my salary
I don't think Phil would do an extra show for free if the producers say we need an extra show but we are not gonna pay you extra for it
Just finished a project at work. Worked multiple 12 - 16 hour days to meet the deadlines as the only developer on the team. I am a junior, no real support, no one else knew this specific codebase. I had to figure it out all by myself. After I finished the project I asked for time off (which I hadn't used yet for the entire year) and they said no. They need you on the next project immediately. They will work you untill you die if you let them. Say no to inconsiderate managers!
As a veteran developer, just take the time off and if they absolutely refuse then quit. It won't get better.
I'm in the same boat my friend
That’s crazy bro! I put myself before a shit job
Americans are "quiet quitting" while Chinese are doing 996. 9am to 9pm, 6 days a week. US is doomed. I average 10-12 hour days, 6 days a week for the last 5 years working for various start ups. I get/got paid decently so maybe I am not in the same boat as you, but still... all this talk of quiet quitting is ridiculous. You are not working on a coal mine doing 10 hours / day doing various hard labor while getting paid $10.50/hr. You are most likely working at an office, possibly remotely from home... most likely making 6 figures... and still complaining. I don't think you understand JUST HOW LUCKY you really are.
@@dennislee7312 You could always move to China if you like this kind of working so much. Not being sarcastic.
I never really understood why its even called quiet quitting. It shouldn't be an expectation in the first place. I just call it "Acting your wage"
Yes this verbiage needs to be corrected wherever it is seen
Yes. It's better the way you said. The word quitting is itself turning into something negative and insecure. I wonder who is the fool who coined this term "Quit Quitting". Couldn't think of better words.
It is definitely important for people to be respected and payed appropriately. Ryan made a great point about employers not promoting people because they are too productive. It is in the employer's interest to get the most productivity at the lowest wage possible.
@@nickd2296 I have had that happen to me before. I lowered my productivity and got the promotion.
Another good way to put it is just to tell the business "I am not running a charity, if you can't afford to pay for the effort you want, that isn't my fault."
acting your wage is you saying "my results don't matter and I deserve a participation trophy"
All this talk of quiet quitting reminds me of an abusive relationship. "You have to adhere to our high standards, but we won't tell you what the standards are, you have to guess yourself. And if you don't guess what we want from you, we'll berate you and call you names." This is classic abuse, plain and simple.
Narcissism!
If you go to a job and don’t have enough awareness to make yourself more valuable than What’s in your base description, then you are a bad worker… there is always more to do or a better way or a little extra something you could have added or got a head start on. It’s the bare minimum mentality that has made all that seem like it’s bad to do or to act like in the work place🤦🏻♂️ keep quiet quitting while I keep quietly moving up and promoting. I’m not a bosses son I just have experience and know how to make things better
@@davidmcintyre6513I doubt your moving up as fast as you think. Fact of the matter is you should be looking at other companies and taking interviews whenever you can. Your way more likely to get a larger increase in pay shifting jobs then you are for a raise or promotion. Learn your worth and stick with it.
i thought that was taxes
What pushed me to quite quiting was when I worked myself into a disability for 3 years. I did effectively 8 people's worth of work. I was too valuable to promote. I never saw a raise. I literally worked so damn hard I tore my knees. 7 years later I still can't walk right. I will never recover. And I was guilted to come back to work before I could fully healed. I was never compensated. I was never thanked. I literally destroyed my knees potentially for life at 21 years old by not quite quiting.
Sucks to hear man. What kind of job was that?
Wowwww I wish I was there to stop you😢
the story is tragic and I'm really sorry for you, but it is possible to fix your knees.
Ben Patrick or knees over toes guy, had two partial knee Replacements and a full knee replacement as well, an ACLU tear, a meniscus tear, constant tendonitis with his ankle, and using bodybuilding techniques, built up and restored the lagging muscle groups that were too weak in the lower half of the body and upper.
I highly recommend you check out his channel, you can gain everything you need from his videos, and I have been running his program for my knees and they are becoming bulletproof when I had pain over the most small tasks for them that required any knee movement. Theres a lot of people who also fixed their knees too.
Stay safe out there, and please don't lose hope on yourself over your issue. regardless of what you do, glad your doing better
@@Summer-oz6mgi wish you to be stronger, smarter and more educated. Please try as hard as possible to make yourself better, because kind people must be powerful. Also, there is a russian quote:"Kindness should be with knuckles"
That's your fault?
I learned a few years back, after working 70-80 hour weeks to impress my bosses, only to get fired after a pretty terrible thing in my personal life kept me from working for a couple of days: don't try too hard. You *will* get taken advantage of, even though they would replace you in a heartbeat if they wanted to. No reason to go above and beyond.
How is it even possible to work 80 hours in a week? I'm not doubting you, I'm assuming weekends too, and like 14-16 hour days? when did you have time to eat and sleep?
@Skelstoolbox I slept about 3 hours a night on those weeks, and drank at least 3 monster javas a day, along with taking other stimulants. It was terrible. I was grateful for 60 hour weeks during that time. *edit* I ate while I worked or didn't eat at all. Still recovering mentally and physically, years later. 0/5 stars, would not recommend
100% I've seen things like this happen time and time again. Don't be a slave to your job and don't be afraid to say no.
The minute you start working unpaid hours, it becomes expected
@@asadb1990 Yeah I hear all this talk about 60-80 hour work weeks and I'm like
"Damn, the overtime on that must be pretty sweet, huh?"
'Over..time?..'
"You're.. You're getting paid for putting in that much effort, right?"
':)..'
"And you LET them treat you this way? No. No no, come with me. We will find an entry level position that pays as much or more than you're earning now, much closer to home, and you are going to take it easy doing repeatable work. It won't be perfect, but you deserve better than.. this."
I got an icky feeling that Dr. Phil made this episode more for his own employees instead of the audience at home
he definitely had that in mind
Maybe he made it to please the wealthy in his viewership (or their spouses) because he wants to attract and increase their attraction to his show.
In my language, that feeling/act is called "Nyindir' -> 'Nyeen-deer'
it seems to me you guys just haven't found a passion like tricking people into accepting crappy low-paying jobs while playing a scammer fake TV doctor guy ok.
Oh yeah? Well as Dr Phil once said, "I'm not really a doctor."
Lmao this dude is savage.
"Or they'll hire an external contractor or promote their kid"
Took me out fr😩😭🤣
It’s true….so true.
I didn't even realise that older guy was his dad lmao straight savage behaviour
The look of barely constrained rage on the kid's face when he said that made my day.
chad and based
Dat burn on giving the job to the boss' kid!!! SAVAGE!
Edit to add: Dr. Phil and his sudo-science have done so much harm to society. His audience are not people who are in vulnerable positions where quiet quitting is necessary. He's just telling his echo chamber of an audience what he knows they want to hear, that the people they think are bad really are bad (and somehow ruining society).
* pseudoscience
His job, like all TV is meant to brainwash society normalizing certain views, and demonizing others. Its propaganda against the citizens.
Love it how rich, entitled brats who have never known what it's like to have to choose between food and rent, who have servants doing everything for them, call the working class that's tired of always going 'above and beyond' for no reward or compensation "lazy"...
*standing ovation*
It doesnt even matter if you get compensated for extra work as if you enter a new tax bracket due to extra money on salary you could potentially make less than if you didnt put in those extra hours.
Meanwhile these business stooges get subsidies from the government alongside single mothers so they dont have to work, disgusting.
these business people are absolutely overestimating how much work they did to get where they are.
Well said
Some or a lot of them grew up with a silver spoon and nepotism, so you'd be lucky to find any that can actually relate.
No they are not lol
@@Ty_Jac Some smart CEO's let their son/daughter start at the bottom of their company to learn before giving them a manager function. The son/daughter still have a big advantage, but at least they won't be clueless.
Well yes and no. I've personally seen what goes into running your own business. It's, well... Frankly, it's absolutely ridiculous. Unless you have the capital from the get go to set up managers and a full staff, you actually DO have to put in unhealthy amounts of hours into getting things done that need to be done.
But that's because you're essentially doing the work of like 6 or 7 different positions by yourself. The entire point is to put in the hard work yourself, to then hire people that do those things for you. Make no mistake, whoever built a successful business from nothing had to work extremely hard for it. But once you cross a certain threshold, the effort required to maintain it reduces drastically.
The problem is that the successful business owners have a tendency to forget just how brutally difficult their start was. And, *most importantly,* that the hard work they put in will NOT yield the same return that employees see.
Entrepreneurs put in that extra hard work, because they know that at the end of the road is sustainable profit for relatively small amounts of effort. For regular employees, that just isn't a reality. The job will never be anything more than just a means to make a modest living. Employees are NEVER going to put in the same amount of effort that entrepreneurs do because the future payoff just isn't even in the same realm.
I think that these two are guilty of becoming too accustomed to the structure that they once worked hard to set up that now allows them to do what they do with reduced effort. The truth is, success has a tendency to make one forget where they came from.
Can't believe that just wanting to be paid for the work you do is called quiet quitting....
Looks like the dog days ARE truly over.
We’re all being prepared to be slaves
I kinda dislike the term 'quiet quitting' for that reason. Doing your job as specified should be the default option. Businesses should not expect any employee to go above and beyond the agreed upon parameters of their job without appropriate compensation, and I think referring to the choice of not doing so as 'quiet quitting' is ceding ground to those who want employees constantly doing more than their job description to be the expected norm.
@@lorscarbonferrite6964 Couldn't agree more
“You better learn Chinese”
You mean mandarin jackass 😂
Never heard a lawyer sound so human and compassionate. Respect
if a person tries repeatedly to distract from a point you're making, you know you're dealing with a scumbag
At that point it is most efficient to avoid and bs them around
It means that they cant really answer the question, or you have exposed thier B.S.
So many of those types around nowadays.
Wasn’t Dr Phil’s whole thing a few years back just beating down on people considered dumb to exploit them for content… I mean, a life catered around constant drama would seem quite the weird thing to make a life for a non-scumbag
If you hired a Plummer to fix ur toliet, you wouldn’t expect him to start repairing your walls. But yet employers hold employees to that same standard which is insane
Comparing having a job with an employer to a contracted worker doing a one time job is not an apt comparison.
@@zombobo101 all relationships between employees and employers are different forms of contract. The only difference is the length and the agreed upon terms of the contract AKA job description.
@@Ryo8761 this i relate to a lot. its like i agreed to a contract and somehow there is a tiny line stating that more job descriptions can be added later on.
I would... if they had to break the walls to fix the toilet...
@@gwouru Then you probably don't own a house or have experience with contractors and the trades. If the plumber has to cut open your walls, it's now your job to find a drywall guy to repair your walls if you can't do it. Then if you want that wall paonted after you have to hire a painter. Or paint it yourself. That's the way the world works. It's possible a big enough company will offer those extra services with the main job, but they will still be contracting out to other trades to do those things. Then you will basically also be paying a mark-up for that, rather than finding your own drywall guy. And if they cut open tile.....tile guy will be a different guy still.
"Most people's passion in life doesn't make them money; it cost them money." Damn! This is such an elegant quote... I'm totally using this
If a bottle of water costs $1, why don’t you pay $2 instead? After all, you don’t just want to pay the required amount. Go above and beyond what it costs and pay more for everything!
That is literally the same argument if we applied it to the demand side instead of the supply side.
A job is a contract. You trade a service for money. Why would you freely give more service for the same money?
People's biggest regret at the end of their life is not that they didn't work hard enough but that they didn't spend enough time with loved ones. Do your job, don't bring it home with you.
"Do your job, don't bring it home with you" is exactly why I have almost none of my job's web-based training done. When I'm at work, I'm doing work stuff. When I'm at home, I'm doing home stuff.
Hands down quiet quitting is what got me from $9 an hour to $30. I did the bare minimum and got promoted.
30 is crazy
@@RubyXIII 30 is still on the low side
@@RubyXIII once you realize how valuable you are to a company you can push your weight around I started as a roofer and now I'm a telecommunication technician for at&t and tmobile. Work 25 hours a week but get paid for 40. Life simply couldn't be easier.
@@stonedpaladin8632exactly, I do my own thing I average 100$ hr.
@@vceisdead also get 150 a day perduim on top of a 1k bonus a month if we're running power cable (80% of my job). Plus 20 hours of overtime if you want it. Averages out to 170k a year. That's more than most Americans WITH families make and lve been doing that for 9 years.
I worked as a vet tech for ten years and went above & beyond every single day. I was the person who solved everyone’s problems, did all of the heavy lifting & restrained the largest most aggressive dogs, and went to the clinic at midnight multiple nights per week to check on pets hospitalized overnight whenever it was needed. I was dependable and valued by clients & the veterinarians. Despite being second in seniority out of a dozen vet techs, I was rejected after asking for a raise, and later learned that I was the lowest paid vet tech at the hospital. It taught me the life lesson that no matter how hard you work, they will always try to take advantage of you.
Theres a special place in hell for these managers. Riba means ripoff in arabic, its a major sin in islam for a reason
I’m sorry to hear that. I can’t imagine how much it hurts to find out. I hope you find a new job that treats you better.
I hear what you say. But try to see the manager's point of view: why pay more for something you already have? Stick to the "don't work hard, work smart" motto. When you realize you put in much more effort than everyone else, don't keep straining yourself. Work towards implementing a fair rota of duties. With that, they may even come to recategorize you from "useful idiot" to "manager material".
I used to be a lab-tec, was promoted to supervisor 10 years ago. Still far from actual managment, but you start to see things differently when the focus widens from just doing the work to having to keep a small part of the organization running.
Find a better place where your skills will be paid more!
@@Volkbrecht “why pay more for what you already have?”
Ummm, well maybe to keep it. Maybe you forgot now that you are an upper masa.
I love Ryan Steiger, been seeing him a lot on the internet a lot for the past 6 months, gives great advice when it comes to legal infringements at the workplace. Love seeing him clap back against these corporate snobs
It's so rich of "Dr." Phil to be the judge, jury and executioner against quiet quitting while inviting nepotism business to his corner!
I find it ironic they’re calling others lazy and they’re all sitting in an air conditioned studio in the middle of a weekday
coming from working as a contractor in iraq - they really have no IDEA how good a dice roll they had at birth
Wait till you join the army
@@Triforcebro
why would he want to become a worthless thug?
@@alexanderredhorse1297 true 💯
@@Triforcebro why wait to fight for the 1% to get more for them, and then joining the homeless veterens association afterwards?
Chase must have worked really hard to become the son of a rich businessman.
He looks like a little Don Jr wannabe to me.
Hey, don't discount his swimming efforts... The only thing he ever put effort in... It takes a lot to be like the 50th sperm to hit the egg and be able to penetrate though. Basically building off the hard work of others so that he can benefit... It's not much different than what he does now, huh?
He worked his way out of the birth canal! 🤣🤣🤣
@@thorzblog9085 And his slacker mom probably just laid there while he did all the work, probably quiet quit the second her water broke.
Bruh 😆
I grew up being told "work hard and you get whats coming to you!". I sure loved getting more work and laid off.
Especially if you are from the poorer class -- it is all "work hard and you will be handsomely rewarded". They forgot to mention the part where your "reward" are handsome amount of extra work and being laid off at a moments' notice. And you can work hard to be the nepo baby's assistant (aka free slave).
Dr. Phil is an employer and just as much of this episode is directed at his own employees.
Would be funny if his crew just walked off set.
This has that "Name a camera guy" energy
Man, I thought Quiet Quitting was giving your 2 weeks notice when you've had enough of a job. Just doing your job shouldn't be called anything special, it's just doing your job.
When I first heard about it, I thought it meant never formally putting in your two weeks or even outright quitting but just never showing up again without an explanation.
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 I had the same first impression. I honestly don't understand how it can be called "X quitting" when it literally is doing your job to the letter, no more, no less.
real scumbags will fire you the second you hand in your 2 week notice
Then it wouldn't be Quiet quitting?
Quiet quitting is a protection mechanism from being exploited - just sticking to the job description and contract
You are extremely observant and empathetic with the individuals you present in the video. It is important to put in a full day's work so you are not cheating an employer out of his money. It is also important for an employer not to cheat employees by imposing unrealistic expectations and unpaid overtime. This treatment of employees has been commonplace in the workforce for far too long. I applaud young people for standing up to tyranny and reminding their bosses that workers have lives outside the office. Good presentation. Thank you.
It is absurd to think the average worker is "passionate" about their shitty 9-5.
There are idiots who eventually wake up and realize their above and beyond got them maybe some praise but no comensurate financial reward. Or they embrace the borg and become a minion
Fr, and the 1st time they see you just do what is required and nothing more they hit you with the "I've noticed that you've been doing less work, you are here in body but your mind is in a different place"
Also absurd that company owners expect their hourly workers to work like they own the company and yearly profits etc.
Save that for the worker's co-ops or your own company
@@Just_B0red Yes, exactly! If you start out by going "above and beyond", that becomes the default expectation and is taken for granted rather than being treated as something noteworthy.
At my new job, I started out by working as slow as I could get away with (being new and still 'training' an all 😄), but when my team lead pointed out to me that I clock too much time to tasks, I switched to a slightly faster pace.
Now I still work without straining myself (and could go even faster if absolutely needed), but my boss is already happy about my 'improvement' 😁 But if I started out by giving it my 100%, it would be much more difficult to show real improvement 😄
@@Just_B0red that’s when you hit them with “I’ve noticed your expectations have change based upon the original job description that we originally agreed to. I’d be happy to negotiate an appropriate compensation for my extra duties.
This is not quiet quitting.
I'm 53 years old, most jobs I've held in my life involve work related interaction during working hours ONLY, and not having to interact or think about work until your next scheduled work day.
This new (last 20yrs or so) corporate culture promotes "mission creep" into our personal life where we never actually get away from work. Emails, phone calls, etc....
This is called reclaiming your personal time. This is also why I have not pursued an advanced degree.
PS: Let's also not forget about the the CORPORATE mandates over the last year or so, which not only infringed on our personal rights concerning Informed consent, the right to choice where there's risk involved, and bodily autonomy, but caused many people to lose their jobs.
@Lisa Mandating untested injections and violating your personal rights is also unhealthy. Let's not forget about that👍
@@SouthSideChiTown , Lisa, those are awesome assertions!
@@SouthSideChiTown who’s “mandating” injections? 🤔 you need to look up the definition of mandate.
@@noble7461 Lots of jobs did, in fact, mandate you get vaccinated or get fired.
@@noble7461 many, many places fired people for not getting injections. It was mandated. NY Supreme Court finally wrote a piece stating that it cannot be mandated. That was this week. NY Supreme Court wouldn't make a ruling if it was so rampant.
When I realized I no longer had a career, but just a job, I backed off and quietly quit.
Funny, I mentioned that to my manager just recently. He said something to me like, "This is your career and this is my career" (meaning we're there to succeed). I replied to him that it was no longer a career for me, but just a job since I never got any opportunity to grow.
Totally agree with you Joshua!! I love the new generations setting boundaries and choosing life before work❤
Then they cry and say how it isn't fair that they can't afford anything. But at least they were able to stick it to the man right? Gen z is a joke, a bunch of whiners and sissies.
Just the fact they have "the boss's kid" on stage is hilarious. Absolute proof of dynastic promotion in walking form. I can only wonder if someone else wipes junior's asss.
A little nepotism goes along way.
The fact that it wasn't directly said on the show is how you know even Phil knows it looks bad for his side.
The burn that lawyer left that kid stunned him he couldn't even respond.
You mean someone who builds their own asset management company from the ground up can't hire his own son? Lol sounds like you're angry your dad didn't do anything w/ his life so you had to fend for yourself w/ whatever job you have now.
Funny thing is we lazy and will be speaking Chinese by 2050 but yet all the crap they sell in the USA for absurd prices is made in China.
Quiet quitting saved my mental health
Amin my too
Mental health, there's another thing the US fails at miserably.
It's saving mine as well. When you can't sleep or wake up sick or crying from the stress your boss puts on you...
I love how people that make millions of dollars like doctor Phil just by showing up, reading a teleprompter and running their mouths, tell everyone else they don't work hard enough
Because thats what all media is. Milionaires paid by billionaires to tell regular people to work harder
Couldn’t have said it any better
I guess he just woke up one day to a successful life and show 🤦🏻♂️ you people are insufferable.
Dr Phil is a shill
phil, if he was a real psychiatrist, would know exactly what that guy was talking about when it comes to formative years and maybe not developing your passions until much later in life. but he's not and he didn't.
its honestly baffling the disconnection between employer and employee, ive had some periods where there was great synergy between them. nowadays its talking to a void of gaslighting, deception and misdirection its insane and all the reverse psychology they try on people
Imagine: psychotic personalities trying to understand why people wouldn't want to be their slaves. Imagine my shock 😂
Dr. Phil isn’t even officially licensed to practice what he preaches.
I've noticed alot of powerful and wealthy are very outspoken when it comes to quiet quitting. Must mean it's very dangerous for them.
It is dangerous for them as the old dangling the carrot tied to the end of the stick trick doesn't work anymore.
Very much so. This is the beginning of workers demanding more negotiating power and that’s not good for profit.
Absolutely, employers are always hostile to anything that give workers power and hurts their bottom line.
Well. For the sake of profits, they wring out the employees. More productivity while cutting/stiffing the employee wages.
They are afraid of Men who know their own value, who dont simp and demand to be treated fairly in society.
Oh yes they are afraid, case they know, all they have is one revolution away from being taken by opressed class of people they created.
The new "lazy people term" I heard last week was "career cushioning"
It means "when you are looking for your next job, before quitting the job your current job"
I laughed out loud because that was what my boomer aged business teacher told us to do to responsibly transition from one job to the next.
people are just running out things to blame millennials for (since millennials are between 26-41 now and not teens and kids) so they are just looking for new terms to coin and blame the "lazy younger generation" for.
EXACTLY! The hypocisy is maddening.
so what am i post to just quit with nothing for me shit sound mad dumb
Thank you! Owning a home and living comfortably and not in excess shouldn't be an unattainable goal, but we are set up to fail because the rules keep changing to benefit a small percentage of people while leaving the rest of us scrambling to survive.
I went from being an hourly, low wage earner to a college degree and almost 6 figure salary. I busted my ass and I'm not lazy. The American Dream is a joke.
@ariboreal The Boomers aren't listening. They're too comfortable in the nice houses they stole from us (their children) and sitting on the nice little next eggs that the gubberment chips into now and then when they need to. It would be a real shame (but entirely necessary) if someone were to...relieve them of all of that wealth they stole from their own offspring, especially since they are now gaslighting said offspring into thinking that they're just lazy.
Gamer, I will apply for jobs on the company's WiFi
Quiet quitting is nothing new. In the 70's, it was called "Take this job and shove it!" In the 80's, it was "work only as hard as you get paid and at the end of the day, don't take the job home with you." And when an employer would ask why you were leaving after you gave notice, the answer more often than not was, "It's the only way I can get a raise." In the 90's - "In this company, you don't have to outrun the bear, you only have to outrun the slowest camper." And in the 2000's, when having a conversation with a manager - "I care about you and this company as much as you care about me." And since they know they don't care about you, that you're nothing but a number to them, it sort of lets everyone know where they stand with one another.
Dr. Phil will probably never have to worry about money and like most people in his income bracket, he's completely out of touch and has no perception of reality. Loved the parody of him on MADTV many years ago. It should be on RUclips. Check it out.
The main point of quiet quitting is the realization that your in a job that no matter how hard you work you can not get a raise or get promoted. So you have to bide your time until a better job comes along. That’s a lot different than being lazy.
I've found that corporations no longer care about their employees unless profits beat projections and papa CEO can buy a new vacation home or the latest euro sport car. The best way to get a pay raise is job hopping. Since 2007 I've more than doubled my income. And I don't even call the companies any longer, their recruiters are calling me almost daily.
It's demoralizing too. You work so hard and really put your heart into it and then realize that no one cares.
@@iSoldat well do you don’t like it, become a CEO. Whiner
Yup I worked at a company that wanted to save money. Everyone worked really hard and we ended up saving 10 million extra at years end. Only the managers and assistant managers got a few thousand dollar bonus for it. The 12 people under them in each department that did all the work got nothing. The following year the company ended up taking losses because everyone said screw it. Why would anyone work above their pay rate when they won't get anything for it? Everyone just did what was expected of them for their normal job but stopped going above and beyond. It became one of those things were you worked just hard enough not to get fired.
@@dontcare7086 Oh boy. I wonder if you work for the same company I do lol.
I've done the quiet quitting thing. The reason? No matter how many times I went above and beyond for my employer, no matter how many times I busted my butt, and no matter how much I displayed my intelligence, I never got any thanks or recognition for it. Meanwhile, the favorites in the group got all kinds of positive attention no matter how lazy they were. I don't play that game.
OFC not they are like an abusive Ex, they´ll take you for granted and start treating you accordingly
Corporate America 💯
Same here, only difference is that the new hires get paid more then the ones already working there. No one wants to work for idiots so they have to offer more to entice new employees. So literally the only way to get paid more is to job hop because employers are greedy morons
Had a new guy mimic me and then prevaricate to get me to do his job for him. Right then and there I realized how manipulative he is. Now he only has to work barely harder than me to look like the best employee ever, right as I am enforcing boundaries I never had. It truly is a cold world and employers really do not give two shits about you. Plan accordingly.
The hardest I ever worked was the least I was ever paid. People really take advantage of young people too often. Joshua, your comments and observations are excellent. I never cared for the Dr. Phil Show.
Enty level pay is the biggest scam ever, its just an excuse used to purposely underpay people!!!
The job I work at now, the store manager, literally values the new people, (who will probably be gone in a month) more than the old employees who actually do the work.
@@Myth_or_Mystery76 Interesting and really sad!!!
Well as a retail manager I can certainly say that unfortunately the higher-ups within the company are most likely telling them that they have to show some over amount of positivity and excitement and of course give a certain amount of praise to new employees versus ones that they know that already know what the hell the hell they're doing...
Basically most companies because they don't pay but only your shit wage they can't get new employees like they used to because people are rebelling against us so when a new person does show up the manager is 100% ordered to be up their ass!
But don't worry pretty soon the novelty of that new person will wear off once they hire two or three other people and that person's been there for a week if not two weeks they're not really going to be considered all that new anymore don't forget that person will get burnt on the policies that they were not told about but will be told about the minute that they get in trouble for violating said policy that they were never informed of!
@@American-Motors-Corporation It sounds as if you too have been through the mill. Every corporation is modelled after Amway. "Sell shit to your neighbors and friends and rope them in with enthusiasm". Nothing material excites me anymore and never did for very long. Regarding Black Friday (bullshit term), my mother said a few wise things such as "Nothing is a bargain if you don't need it!" She was so right and emphatic. I live by that rule. I'm the nightmare of the American corporation of peddling shit. I appreciate your response.
Song: "That Old Black Magic" lyrics altered. down and down, I go
'Round and 'round, I go
In a spin, hating the spin that I'm in
Under that old black magic called corporate marketing bullshit.
Another example of Dr. Phil caring more about his pocketbook than actual mental health.
After watching this I know better than to listen to and take him seriously anymore.
The thing about 'Quiet Quitting' leading to speaking Chinese... China is quiet quitting just as much or more than America. They call it 'Lying Flat' or 'Let it Rot,' and they've made a whole lifestyle of it. This isn't just an American thing. It's simply the natural response for any employee realizing that their pay isn't based on merit.
"Let it rot" sounds like you're telling someone you're quiet quitting while also informing them you are metal as fuck
"Pay isn't based on merit." Oh boy, have we capitalism'd so hard we became communism? 😂
@@ravenmage1859😅😂😂 I like that! That's funny as hell.
sorry to ruin your 69 like count but I totally forgot about the documentary that I saw on this exact same thing. In 30 years even if the chinese do send their troops to invade us more than likely they'll see us playing games and be like "hey can I chill on the futon and just watch for a bit? My squad leaders bein a real brown noser to the man."
My dad worked at a wastewater treatment plant and has always been good at being mechanically inclined. He was a welder at Duke power for 18 years also. Let me just say when he worked at the wastewater treatment plant, he was valued so much that he was trying to move up and his supervisor finally flat out told him that he would never allow him to be promoted as long as he worked under him. He said that he would throw his application in the trashcan every time he seen it and that's why my dad finally got fed up and went into business for himself. This guy is right you can become too important to allow to become promoted if you do your job too well.
48 laws of power
@@SA1G0N_got that
The only thing that bothers me about “quiet quitting” is that i already thought that was the agreement. Who are these traitors who set bad precedent with their overachievery
Best comment!
People who want to get promoted, and contribute to something they believe in and / or are able to provide health, wealth, and happiness from. When did being the best become a bad thing? Woke culture is so fucked. You don't get to have your cake and eat it to.
@@Scrimm_ they can do whatever they please. You don't understand that these people lower the bar for everyone by giving away their time for free. Employers use that as tokenism that everyone else has to follow. Instead of doing your job, the new standard is "above and beyond" and that's how we end up with the graph shown in the clip. More productivity = less promotions.
Can't quit what you never started. I've been self-employed my entire life. I've been homeless and I've been wealthy. It's been a journey, but it's a journey with no one telling me what to do all the time. It's a good feeling. All of this that I have done... Is mine. I built it. I made it. I serve no one. I'm always ready to fight everyone. This world is getting weirder.
Me! 🙋Oh, but life has taught me alright.
I was super engaged when I started my new job. Then I realized noone gave a shit, and the fact that I did, was going to get me in trouble. So now I keep my head down. The place is a gong show.
One of the easiest ways to expose a corporate shill is to find out if they're against quiet quitting. 😂
And don't understand why ppl don't want to work in an open office, esp where the culture compells ppl to come to work sick!
I'm 52 and working harder than everyone else doesn't get you anywhere. You have to be aware when a company is taking advantage of you and there is times where you have to say "No". There are also times where you have to show a company that you can do more but if they want you to continue to do more they need to pay you. If a company isn't afraid to lose you they will never pay you what you're worth.
Being to vauble to promote is 100% a real thing. I work at the oil refinies and all the guys in my position work in the field and are supposed to be next in line to move into the office. Which is what every company tells us in meetings. Yet everytime a position opens in the office instead of moving a guy up a outside person gets hired into the position or one of the bosses kids. I've watched it happen for 13 years now thur multiple companies.
Just left the sawmill. In one year I run over half the entire mill at better than production standards with highly cleaned work areas and no down time. Everyone else sits on their ass and relaxes and I'd get almost no downtime all day cause turns out I can keep busy. Every manager spot gets filled externally by papa's boys and their friends
Preach. I've had it happen to me at multiple companies over a 10 year span.
Carrot and stick - carrot = office job stick= getting fired
Yeah I don’t know what that’s about but I left that department and got a better job swiftly 😂. They called multiple times to get me to come back but I didn’t hear anything with the words “promotion” in it so I figured they didn’t need me. I was just asking for $2 more but now you’ll have to hire 2 more people 😂.
I just got laid off for :sleeping under my office desk" in the back corner of my office, where you cant see unless you walk into my office behind the desk, during the UNPAID LUNCH hour. I was shocked just how pathetic thier excuse was. They said it was bad for morale, i said it makes me more productive in the afternoon. And it was my unpaid lunch hour. They said it made me look unreliable and lazy.
I was one of the best employee in the deparment. I went to have a drink after with my friend in HR, he said its becuase my salary was high and thats why i was cut.
Eye opening experience.
Yup like I said hard work is rewarded with more work and eventually getting fired. I was laid off too for literally no reason even though I had some of the most important responsibilities. Going forward I'm going to do the bare minimum to not get fired and refuse any and all extra work they want to put on me. And if they want they can fire me and I'll go on unemployment again and keep the cycle going fuck it.
@nicolasacosta1673 totally
It is so wild! They are literally punishing productive employees while retaining people that just cost less but didn't do nearly as much
@@sunso1991Pretty much. And I'm also never putting a two week notice, I'll quit a day before I start a new job. They don't give you a 2 week notice when they fire you why the fuck should I when I leave?
They got rid of me and hired two guys from India at less than half my salary each, They had to hand over half a big number and pay for months worth of unused vacation now years later, the update I was struggling with still is pending release as specifications continue to evolve I suppose. I sometimes have nightmares about those days I felt I had to go 18 hours, weekends and weather closing days, as I must have sucked taking decades to discover I was quietly quitting, and had no idea that was happening!
I doubt very few, if any of you have worked more that a few months ever, in your entire lives. I love to work and get great satisfaction from doing a good job, taking care of fellow human beings and providing an excellent experience for clients, my bosses and myself. I have owned my own business, a florist, as well as taught private kindergarten class, managed property, sold many great products and I look forward to my next adventure in the working world. I am recovering from an autoimmune disease, Lyme, back related or something but can't wait to find my new purpose, make some much needed money (I am retired but refuse to whine about the cost of living) and sleep well at night, happy, tired and fulfilled. God help you whiney, miserable looking Gen Z's. Get off the fake www and join the real world, make real friends and have real fun for a change. I dare you🎉😂
as someone who has gone through so much mouthwash in my previous job and still got passed over for management you can become too valuable to promote
Or too productive and should be fired.
Greene's First Law of Power- "Never Outshine the Master".
At my last job where I was a mechanic the spiel they give you is that they will pay for your training. Some things I learned on the job, but you can learn a lot more in class. In addition you get certificates that get you paid more and you can add to your resume. I worked my butt off at that job for 5-6 years and I was the only one there that he didn't send to class.
He preferred to keep me as the volume guy.
what is going through mouthwash?
@@x265_hevc5 its an implication of working so hard it felt like he was doing bedroom related favors for his boss
That guy who was talking about being too valuable in a position to even be promoted is right on! I’ve seen it over and over!! People who are so good at the position they’ve been put in, they basically become an important asset to that operation. And management will keep them there because there’s no one else experienced or valuable enough to take that spot. It’s a loser deal, leave the job immediately lol
Me right now and I'm at my absolute wit's end
Any boss who keep in place an underling who is so suited for a role while also suppressing the said underling's benefits and advancement, is vile. Such a boss is literally amassing wealth at the well-being and future prospects of the said underling. Hierarchy is inherently unjust for it gives anyone at or near the top enormous power over those beneath. Those beneath a hierarchy are so at the mercy of superiors.
I have literally had my supervisor say to me “ Luke, we cannot promote you. If we did that, who would do all the work?”
@@lukeorlando4814 Please tell me you told them to kiss it
the way things are SUPPOSED to work is that person gets promoted to trainer or manager and gets a raise. then when another employee matches them the guy gets promoted again to regional trainer and then again later to head of training standards
If you're working hard and not getting recognition, raises, promotions, then absolutely. Do the bare minimum. Nobody, not even if they get stupid rich, lies on their deathbed thinking how glad they are that they spent so much time working and such little time with friends, family and doing what they loved....
A lesson that all the hustlers will learn eventually, if they are fortunate enough to make it that far without working themselves into an early death. Someday we all go.
Quiet quitting isn’t new, only the phrase is. Do what’s in your contract, anything else requires a renegotiation.
I own a company with over 50 employees. Nobody quits because respect creates a strong chain. I have no problem being open about and sharing profits. People's hard work is openly praised and financially and latterly rewarded. I believe in flexibility and maternity leave for both men and women. When employees thrive, the company thrives.
We wish we worked for great appreciative and fair employers like yourself. You get it and your employees will want to be loyal to you. It destroys morale to work for greedy CEOs who don't value, reward, or appreciate their employees.
LARP
@@fandango_buttlicks Reality, what a concept.
@Planet of the Idiots probably because when you do, you dismiss them as not being real lol.
How do you get people to work I used to try to pay people $600 every single day and they still won't work no matter what you do they won't work drugs alcohol women partying never show up they just won't work do you hold a gun to people's heads to force them to work
I remember hearing a story of a guy who was #1 in sales for two years, he asked for a raise, they told him he was getting paid just below the average of his occupation and that his wage was fair so he wouldnt get a raise, they noticed a drop in his sales and called him in to see if he was okay, and he told them if you want to give me just below average pay then ill give you just below average work.
Yet he had the decency to perform a fair trade 😊😊😊
Just shows how the older generations are completely disconnected from everyone else and how indoctrinated they are to their corporate overlords
Nah it’s just rich people that didn’t have to work hard for their position. It’s just stepping on people to climb to the top
@@Sarah-qx4vz I wouldn’t even generalize it as “rich people” there are plenty of middle class average joes that think the same hence the part of my comment pointing out their indoctrination.
Indoctrination is a very good word to use because that's what school is. It's Indoctrination to the employee mindset and work force. Every country does need peon workers though. Economy DOES NOT WORK IF WE ALL THRIVE AND ARE RICH.
As part of that 'older' generation I have to agree that there is some truth to that. Just as you have been indoctrinated by the Marxists who have taken over our school systems that you shouldn't have to work hard to have a great life.
"Older generations" were the hippies at Woodstock who were saying stuff like this long before the youth of today thought they came up with it. This is not a new song and dance.
Let’s be honest, quiet quitting is not a thing. I understand what that combination of words pertains to, but the term was invented by bosses who are angry they can’t exploit entire generations of brainwashed employees as easily anymore.
I know right? I actually thought quiet quitting meant putting in zero effort, but apparently it's just putting in 100% instead of 110%. The idea that this is somehow empowering is just depressing really.
This is also going on in China. Over there the term for that is called "Lying Flat".
True. I had my hours cut since the beginning of the year. We are being auditing by corporate this week, and now the manager is in a panic, because we are not ready. I was asked to come in on my day off and my response was "no thank you."
I have plans for this weekend and needed my day off to prepare. So, it's not my problem for management's failure to plan ahead for the audit.
Corporations are scared of missing out on all that free labor they've been enjoying. I'm glad people are finally... finally waking up. I was seeing this back in the 90s. It was ridiculous. No one loos back on their life and says, "I wish I would have spent more time at the office."
Maybe if they did, they wouldn't have died so poor.
@@dennislee7312 You can't take it with you.
@@dennislee7312 dying rich or dying poor, you think there's a difference?
@@ynnad7778 it's the bit leading up to the dying that makes the difference, and yes I'd rather die extremely rich and comfortable than destitute in a ditch. Dumb question.
@@adamplentl5588 what you do before does matter, but do you think it's universal in that it's preferable to die rich than die poor? There are very many people, on both sides, that lived either the best of their lives or were in utter misery. Money is an absolutely important factor, but it's also not what determines how good of a life you've had before the point of death. Misery can be found on both sides of the money river, so at death it does actually not make a difference
Quiet quitters are just people who are tired of moving sideways in life.
After a year and a half of working at a minimum wage job. I was one of the best workers there. My boss came up to me thanked me for the hard work and commitment, looked me straight in the eyes and gave me a 25 cent raise, shook my hand and said congratulations. I’ve never felt more used than that moment. It seemed like an award show when you go up on stage and shake the peoples hands, but it was 25 cents an hour raise. That was when the switch flipped for me.
Dude i would turn in my sheet and quit wtf thats so fucking insulting 😢
@@theghostmaker45 the sad part is I wasted a whole 6 months after that there, I was only 17 so I didn’t really know better. It’s important to know your worth.
Lesson learned, now you move on smarter. That's how life works. You did nothing wrong. @@masonstriz6060
@@masonstriz6060You were young. You got to show you can work steady, not hired and fired.
Once you get the "experience" chit and show you're a good, steady worker and they can take a chance on you.
You work for those douche bags like that, to get to a job worth keeping for awhile.
@@masonstriz6060You did not get money, but the lesson you learned was priceless 😅
Not sure in the US but here in Brazil it's illegal to require someone to work extra hours without proper compensation and even more illegal to retaliate in any way in case they deny. Also, it's illegal to ask someone to perform tasks above their employment description and paygrade. Lastly, that businessmen argument about China is SO delusional. If you really want your employers to work harder and go the extra mile then create systems and rewards to incentivize and justify it, it's literally his job to do so and steer the ship, failing to do so is a clear sign of weak leadership so if anything they are the ones lacking. This guy really thinks people are gonna gather and work like slaves for him so that the US can beat China in an imaginary world of his creation while he himself sits comfortably in his yatch and mansions?! Give me a break
It's always easy for the millionaire CEO's to call others quiet quitters while they are sipping margaritas on their personal yacht somewhere out in the sun while the employees slave away to earn them their pocket money.
EDIT: That Lawyer is a chad.
Well, I worked in IT for about twenty years. Did I "quiet quit" before the term was invented? I was naïve, but not totally stupid, and after a number of years I realized that the IT department was sort of like high school forever. There was the popular crowd, and the nerds who are tolerated as long as they solve problems that the popular crowd can't, and I was a nerd. No matter what I did, or how long I worked, I was one of the "out" crowd, and I would be forever, and I would never advance beyond my current position. I had hit a ceiling, and I decided to just do what was necessary to stay there (and that still required significant effort and experience. I just stopped trying to impress anyone).
Exactly my career. I was doing whatever possible at work, then figured out things after 15 years and spent next 15 years in my glide path to retirement. Spent a lot of time figuring out how to profitably invest.
@Basement Berean: Same. Doing the work and doing it exceptionally well doesn’t get you promoted. It doesn’t get you raises. It gets you more work. Work you will be stuck doing while the “popular kids” are in the boss’ office taking credit for your work, sucking up, and spitting buzzwords and praise for the boss. They use the word “team” a lot. Next thing you know, they are “team captain”, even though they don’t do anything.
I work IT for the Air Force and you described my current govt job to a perfect T.
I quit my corporate job 20 years ago after burning out for this exact reason, plus my job denied short term disability when i was hospitalized during a difficult pregnancy for over a month and threatened to fire me for missing too many days. I should have sued them for ADA violations but i was naive back then and took my f'ing and quit
Which is why you need to job hop every couple years.
If you stay still the corporate gets too comfy and abuses you.
My concern is what pushes ppl to the point of "quiet quitting". My previous job, I was working 45 to 60 hrs a week. Rotating shifts. I did that all through the pandemic. My company made record profit. I never even got a thank you or a pizza party.
That's exactly the type of thing that pushes us over the edge.
Dr. Phil would still sadly argue you're a quiet quitter because everyone has their own definition of what 'going above and beyond' means.
Production since the 70s is up around 3k% but wages have increased about 25% adjusted for inflation.
I love that it's always the "older" people think doing this is lazy. They just need to accept that "working" isn't like it was back in the days. These days people just put more value in their own free time and do whatever they makes them happy. If you want to get people passionate about your company you actually need to add value to the workers life, not just see them as a worker that helps you get money.
They don't realize how much things have changed, they prob still think you can just get a factory job, work your way up and provide for your family of 4 and by a house before your 30.
I notice a lot of this attitude and language comes from America the most. And even with the younger crowds they seem to have latched onto a romantic notion of the American dream of the past than actual past. That going back behaviour wise to it or politically will undoe the circumstance and culture of the present. But it won't.
Be it to the traditional family build with proper roles or the company man of the past treating his workplace almost as a second sort of family or team. I don't think these business are just greedy. I think between the pandemic, working from home and growing economic factors average people won't know about - and they would definitely never say plainly because it would show weakness - is pushing them to get uppity at the workers who are steering away from their preferred status qou.
It's ridiculous. I don't ask my mechanic to give me a blow job and drive me home for paying him to work on my car. Is he quiet quitting for only doing what I paid him to do? It's an idiotic argument easily destroyed and only thing I hear is lazy. Lazy? How is doing what we agreed on in this transaction lazy. I don't expect my escort I paid her for 2 hours of her time to "go the extra mile" and stay the night and bring me breakfast in bed. I dont expect John Wick to walk my dog on his off time if I paid him 1 million dollars for a month deadline to assassinate some rival CEO. If it doesn't make it sense in the underground world to go beyond what was paid for how does it make sense in the normal world?! Maybe the normal world isn't the right word since these CEOs live in a whole different reality brother.
People in the 40s just had to show up and could get a house in 3 year
"I love that it's always the "older" people think doing this is lazy. They just need to accept that "working" isn't like it was back in the days."
Back in the day, an honest day's work earned an honest day's wage. Back in the day, workers had unions and shop stewards that would have had everyone out on industrial action (either having the entire workforce quietly quitting if not on strike) if a "quiet quitter" got the sack until that one worker got reinstated.
Also, a worker apparently could lose one job on Friday and start a new job the next Monday. There was no such thing as sending off dozens of applications and not even getting one reply, let alone an interview.
"These days people just put more value in their own free time and do whatever they makes them happy."
That happened back in the day too, again because back in the day, workers enjoyed a lot of things that would be seen as extreme far-leftist anti-American Marxist Antifa Communism now.
"If you want to get people passionate about your company you actually need to add value to the workers life, not just see them as a worker that helps you get money."
Or just recognise that your workers are actual human beings and that their spending is where your profits come from if you provide a product or service that you expect people to buy.
It's funny that the basic concept of inflation is only actually explained and demonised as the WaGe PrIcE sPiRaL when it's used to justify not increasing wages in line with prices... even though wages are the price you pay for workers time and labour.
The issue is its being propagated that being a "quiet quitter" means you dont due your actual job. I'm a tradesman and our whole crew kicks ass while we're on the clock. But as soon as our day is over we're all also going home
The irony about the speaking Chinese thing is multilevel.
First, if you can speak Mandarin, that's incredible, considering how difficult of a language it is. It took me 2 years to learn it to a decent enough level to talk to someone.
Second, quiet quitting has been around in China for a very long time. Tang Ping, or Lie Flat, is a movement that has dominated the Chinese condition. And a more extreme version called Bai Lan, or Let it Rot, us also gaining traction, which you can do the math on what it entails.
The specter of Chinese domination is such a tired conservatie trope. You're right, most of them have no idea what's really going on in China.
Lol, boomer TV hosts in China are also making the trashy point that if you Tang Ping or Bai Lan, China will always stay a poor country and have no chance of competing with America. It's kinda a funny mirror. Don't use politics to pressure me into working outside of my normal hours!
@@dylanwang8779 that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. And if I recall correctly, these same boomers are a part of China's lost generation, the same generation who destroyed their own country under Mao. Who are they to talk about holding their country back when that's exactly what they did? I smell projection.
This, this this this. I have worked in both China and the United States and I can speak, read, and write Chinese. I second everything you just said and I wish to further add that I have come to aggressively defend my time against corporate/business mission creep in regards to day-to-day operations. There is a very obvious tendency to demand ever greater amounts of time from laborers, without any additional compensation. I have outright told employers that they will not get to enjoy a limited license over 80% of the total time in my life for the same rate that they pay to enjoy a limited license over 25% or 30% of the total time in my life. The opportunity cost that I would have to eat is way too much for me to reasonably justify selling such a license at the same rate. Furthermore, the sheer condescension of suggesting that learning the primary language of the second largest economy in the world is a bad thing, especially when a large number of people from that economy participate in the US economy in some way blows my mind. Young adults in China absolutely know this game that employers play all to well, just like you said.
Tell that to the Chinese suicide nets for their workers
Dr. Phil should be expected to relate to the CEOs. He runs the show and most likely grew up on the traditional "motivational speech" deal that the CEOs keep spouting. People are just saying they want to be paid for their work!
'Quiet quitting' is just a new name for a very old phenomenon. Even 25 years ago I had coworkers that would regularly 'eff the dog' or otherwise put in the minimum when they could get away with it. I think the reason it's come up recently is the frustration of middle managers when there's a labor shortage: They have nothing to offer to motivate their workers other than platitudes, and they can't fire the 'low performers' because frankly they are having trouble filling existing positions. Once the recession comes they will be the first to go, but until then remember that it's the job of the company to make money. The job of a worker is to feed and clothe themselves by plying their trade. If they burn themselves out they starve, so while the company optimizes to earn as much money as possible, the worker needs to optimize to earn as much as they can for doing as little as possible. It's just an optimization problem where the interests of the parties aren't in perfect alignment anymore.
They never have been
"the worker needs to optimize to earn"
I agree. I optimize my earnings by turning 'dollar notes' into ounces of Gold. Seriously. I take "dollars", go buy some gold as my savings, since gold is real money and notes are man-made constructs of devaluation and debauchment that turn you into a destitute. I spend some of the other dollars on neccessities and entertainment/enjoyment. And now my work/earnings are optimized!
You nailed it. There have been people forever who just do the minimum. People have been joking about 11 union labor guys all looking at a hole in the ground for a week for years
Completely agree. Been in tech for 12 years. Some of the most average or below average engineers are in their 40's and 50's. They've been living w/ this mindset because they were burned or just gave up long ago. The only difference is younger folk are just trying to coin some new thing to vent their frustration. This shit has existed since the stone-age, man. Quiet quitting is lame. If you're better than what they're paying you, move the fuck on. If you can't, you're probably not better than what they're paying you. Speaking on the tech industry specifically, to be very clear. There is too much opportunity out there to say you can't find something better.
@@jordangl1 Yep, the movie office space was the funniest movie I ever saw and the main character basically quietly quit and that came out 23 years ago. This has been around forever.
"Find your passion and you will never work in your life" is really
"Your only passion should be working".
"Find your passion and you will never work in your life"
Or other words "fuck up your work-life balance"
Or find a job you actually enjoy doing so it doesn't feel like you're working.
@@Cybertech134Yep. I'm a long haul trucker and love every minute of it. A lot of people just don't have the courage to chase after something they find genuinely interesting. I was working in machining and went through chaos to get started in trucking. Worth it.
This Ryan dude is the superhero here, definitely following him.
Boomer here with decades of experience as a worker and management in corporate America as an IT professional. Output is higher than ever. I did the expectations for decades. I went above and beyond for decades and it went nowhere. I became too valuable to promote and my only way out was to find a different job in a different company. I spent many years in the same company, that was STUPID. I should have changed companies EVERY 3 YEARS. If you are not finding a new job in a new company every 3 years, YOU ARE DEAD ENDING YOURSELF. NEVER give your loyalty to a company because no company will EVER be loyal to you. Quiet quitting should be practiced by EVERYBODY. Failing to do so will only hold you back in your career.
Boomer here. Agreed!
This may be my favorite video of yours. I fell for all of these bs mottos. 30 years later, I regret not having voices of reason in my life. I regret not focusing more on my health, my relationships, my hobbies, etc. I would have had a much richer life.
its never too late to start
This is so sickening, let's have these multimillionaires struggle there entire life and see if they don't want to give up.
You do realize most Millionaires especially self made Millionaires work like 100 hrs a week right? All you see is the end product you don't see what it took to get there.
@@irrecconyh what it took to get there while focusing on their own stuff, not 100h/week working for others. No one here is saying to be lazy, but do what is stated in ur contract and dont people use u beyond ur contract agreement, and if ur not happy find another job who will value u more and so on.
@@irreccon"most" "work"
@@mr.darknight416 people can do that if the want to be average, but there will always be someone willing do more. Those people will be the ones getting promoted. Quit quiters are actually doing them a favor by reducing the competition.
@@irrecconexcept they have an end product
They work a ton, however they get far far more back and can retire whenever they please.
Most people don’t get good or even balanced returns for hard work
Being a corporate slave is not passion, It's nothing but exploitation
I have two BAs and two MAs that I'm paying off. I got them so that I could rise to the top in my field, do the work, get to a place where I could make the big decisions, and achieve financial stability. What I have are incompetent bosses who are less qualified than I am, asking me to do their jobs for them and threatening me with the moniker "quiet quitter" when I don't return emails after 10:00PM. They've been getting a sick deal: I spent money on my own upgrades and they get to use me until I get sick of not receiving raises. When I inevitably quit, they'll throw the same _You just haven't seemed as focused lately_ crap at me.
The rebuttals that this Ryan Stygar made on the show are logical and razor sharp. That is the best advertising for his firm that he will ever have.
absolute advertisement!