It's not just the rifling that limits the use of round. The recoil delay system itself is designed for the lower powered steel cartridge. Using the higher power SS109 rounds poses an increased danger of failure over time.
Arguably one of the worst in modern military history they have to call Germany USA uk to get spare parts for a broken tank or artillery piece and instructions. Then they have to convince Vietnam the next day to sell them Soviet ammunition.
@@rklkify I was gonna say most of the guns they are getting meet the NATO standard for ammo/mag so different housing but same ammo largely. Obvi there's a lot of exceptions to this. Just generalizing
Maintenance in the field is taxing, to say the least, but most of the big jobs they just ship it back west and the countries that ruj them refit and repair them. Could be far worse. @@rklkify
@@riclate2013 yeah well, a Mk4 is a 45K car run, 11K sold in the us, a good chunk of the cars are gone... it looks great and is a lot more in looks than it really was a performer (as it was a GT after all...) honestly it fits. the famas is too "common" to say IS THAT A VENTURI? (actual exotic french sports car)
@StefanBlagojevic it does! What it doesn’t like is the platform not evolving and not being updated along the years like AR15 becoming... M16 becoming... M4 because of constant improvements! Only thing lacking to the famas is good ergonomics and rail system: take the barrel, the action and the trigger group, put it inside a VHS-2 or better a Desert Tech WLVRN (with Desert Tech trigger linkage) and you have one hell of a beast!!!
@@StefanBlagojevic The French army loved it and wanted a modern equivalent, then the leftists took power shutdown the national arms factories and destroyed everything so that workers wouldn't make weapons to give to a probable revolution.
@@beelow84 being an expert or a historian and occasionally playing soldier in a safe environment is one thing, having grenades dropped on you by a drone is completely different game. Not to mention, people who go to war usually believe in the cause and those are mostly dead by now in this conflict. Next wave of recruits are usually those who have no other choice or are forced to participate. Ian is not your regular (redneck) youth with no other prospects. Good for him.
As much as Ukrainian logistics must be a fucking nightmare, I honestly think that it's a very precious learning opportunity for NATO logistics. From the get-go, the entire goal behind standardized interchangeable equipment like STANAG magazines, picatinny rail systems, 5.56 and 7.62 calibers, etc. was to make logistics simpler, especially even when faced with different member countries' varied weapon designs. The Ukraine War is the true testing ground for NATO logistics that GWOT and joint military exercises could never be.
research the Coo that happened in Ukraine in 2014. The people of Eastern Ukraine voted to join Russia again and a few days after the vote passed a violent overthrow of the government and installation of a puppet leader prior to Zelinski happened. Then for almost 9 years they have been shelling the cities of Eastern Ukraine and have been killing civilians daily. Totalling almost 20,000 civilians in almost a decade. Putin had warned Western leaders for years to stop killing ethnic Russians there and encroaching on Russian territory but They Refused to abide by there own (Minsk accord) and Putin finally said enough is enough and started the Special Military Operation. You have been lied to by Corporate media your whole life.
NATO exercises, protocols and requirements are all compatible for ammunition, ordnance, magazines (STANAG) etc it's never been an issue and was proven decades ago. Ukraine is not NATO, hence it is no testing ground nor proof of concept. Afghanistan was.
The French naval FAMAS does use stanag mags. they did use the steel cased ammo originally because of the high pressure curve you get with a lever delayed blowback. it also has a fluted chamber for that same reason. They've changed the barrel and worked out the issues so firing brass cased ammo is fine
@@mrreziik the FAMAS whe see here is a F1 "valorisé", with a new barell adapted to NATO 5.56, but compatible only with M16 type magazine, only the G2 can use curved Stanag magazines
If I recall correctly, when the FAMAS F1s went through the revalorisé process at Nexter Mechanics, they were re-barreled with 1/7" twist barrels made by Beretta
I went airsofting after a long time and it's amazing how homogeneous the used platforms were. Ukraine got a bigger roster of firearms than a video game at this point
bruh the soldier testing the Famas at the start of the video has no left hand, and is still flipping that bipod out faster than i probably could! freaking legend!
@@dannyzero692 I know i said it in Jest, My father served in the JGSDF from 1974-89 and utilized the Howa Type-64 my older brothers used the Type-89 during their time.
It would be interesting to see Japanese weapons being field tested in live combat. Especially the Japanese military is in the middle of replacing their rifles
I am a bullpup fan. Former Army Infantry , I totally get the reason why they serve their purpose. Everything in life is a compromise, but in mount and vehicles the modern bullpup rules.
In the field, what rules, is how much maintenance the equipment requires,. Having said that, in the current theater, 6 months are rain, and the ground is sandy and muddy, which very quickly can demote the capabilities of the equipment mentioned in this presentation. It would be prefereable something like HK for this situation, or better, peace.
5:44 Do you know where you can get more info about that gray radio box with two antennas sticking out of it? I know that it's used for drone detection, but I don't know how it works, or how it informs troops of nearby drones and I'm quite curious.
I always wanted to fire one of these on the range. They look very cool, and they started my weird obession/adoration of NATO standard 5.56mm bullpup rifles. Thanks man, really interesting episode. Its amazing to see the range of rifles being used. Edit oh I didn't know about the lower power round. And you know I love me an ss109.
Q to my French brothers. In French do you call the HK416 'quatre cent seize' or e.g. 'quatre seize'? Also is there a nickname for it yet? e.g. Famas = clairon (bugle).
In "civilian" we call it quatre cent seize but i am sure that military call it with a short name. for the new Glocks, (new sidearm of french military) the description is PSA GLOCK (Pistolet Semi-Automatique)but i am sure they refer to it as "glock" for shotgun, FAP (yeah you can laugh as Fusil A Pompe) Where i work we have the hk ump9, and we call it "le Hk"
We pronounce it "HK quatre cent seize". Same way French people don't say "dix-neuf quatorze" to say nineteen-fourteen, they say "mille neuf-cent quatorze" as in nineteen-hundred & forty-two.
@mysticaccount5845 this I know. Am pretty fluent, pour un rosbif. But the military are famous for shortening names, to aid communication. As is the French informal language. One could drop the 'cent' and it still makes sense. HK is also sounding realistic in everyday use as there are no/few other HK products in the system. "Ash kah".
It IS possible to adapt FAMAS to use STANAG, if memory serves. FAMAS G2 is one such rifle which French navy uses. Wonder if anyone in Ukrainian industry bothered to look into it.
Thanks again, Matt. It would be interesting to hear the numbers of units using NATO standard calibers vs. old Soviet ones. Logistically, it would be bad to mix the two. I'd imagine the armorers face significant challenges. Also, do you happen to know the mix of calibers for the Malyuks? Your previous vid is two years on now.
The Best FAMAS was the G2, i did use it in the frnech Navy and realy like it, but objectively, for me, the best bullpup on the market today is the Thales F90 MBR, a evolution from the Steyr AUG who appears ~in same time as the FAMAS in the 70's...The F90 was adopted from the Australian army after the previous version F88
@@leneanderthalien People say the reason for losing the FAMAS was the loss of production capacity, but if Thales can build a perfectly good rifle, I don't understand / The Russo-Ukraine war shows the necessity of being able to build for yourself when you can't rely on imports.
@@WanderlustZero Globalists are trying to defeat us from within. The US has lost most of our chemical plants due to the EPA so most of our ammo primers and gunpowder actually comes from South America.
An absolute great firearm that has proven its worth in many battles and was ahead of its time back then. Unfortunately internal politics, the frenchs aversion to NATO and their inability to adapt has lead to its demise and subsequent replacement. Had the french a bit of foresight and updated the rifle to NATO standard (30rnd STANAG, brass cartridges, picantinny rails etc. ) it would still be around. They should have done what the croatians did with the HS VHS2, which ironically was developed as a replacement for all the Famas types. Truly a shame, especially now where gun design has stangnated and every nation just adopts soje form of M4 clone. I hope the ukrainians that use the Famas can atleast get some use out of it.
What's worse, is that they did have the G2 version that made it more NATO compatible but, aside from the French Marines, it didn't achieve widespread service. And putting flutes on the chamber was apparently an easy fix for the ammo problem but for some reason it was never implemented.
@@kutter_ttl6786 The reason why is pretty well known. The reason is the guns are nearly 50 years old and the company that made them ceased to exist 20 years ago.
Ukraine war is the only one that comes close to a COD game in which every single conceivable small arm from every nation is being fielded simultaneously 😂
Just a note, a lot of Ukrainians serve(d) in the French Foreign Legion so no doubt they would be familiar with the FAMAS. With France having replaced the FAMAS in frontline use all the surplus riflea and former Ukrainian FL troops would likely use them. Furthermore the French said something about deploying French troops to Ukraine but they are probably Ukrainians who earned French citizenship after the five year probation period.
Винтовка безусловно хорошая, НО, американские винтовки на базе AR-15 и Российские АК, а также аналоги Американских М4 и АК-а - оказались более надёжными. Ну и бельгийские FN FAL тоже оказались хорошими.
This isn't the Famas but an improvised version that someone ( probably the ukrainians ), the gap between the picatinny rail and the barrel block is much larger than in the video
Ukrainians also use they own bullpup the Malyuk (in 5,45 soviet, 7,92 soviet and 5.56 Nato), based on the AK74 mechanism, first models was not realy optimised (bad selector positon for example), but the most advanced version is now realy good and is use by the Ukrainian special forces...
The F1 is the earlier version of the FAMAS, with the proprietary mags. But Ukraine said, give them to us anyway. As you said, the HK416 is replacing the FAMAS in France, so I would suspect more STANAG compliant FAMAS will be going to Ukraine.
Pour l'avoir utilisé en tant que réservistes , Je trouve que c'est une excellente armes Precise a 200 m avec ses organes de visée. (Oeilleton guidon.) Sa compacité le rend pratique en combat urbain. ( PS. J'ai aussi tiré avec Les fusils Mas 36 Mas 49/56 Frf 1 ( le plus précis même sans lunette) G3.
@@TheArmourersBench MSBS master race. The Desert Tech MDR is better but before that was out, I really liked the MSBS as it really pulled the design from Magpul's PDW which never got a firearm release due to issues with Bushmaster.
I'm starting to believe that this influx of so many different kinds of weapons, along with this conflict, will create a gun culture in Ukraine similar to that in the US.
Every since the end of the war France has had a stick up their backside about all things military. As far as I am aware, they went with those proprietary mags out of stubbornest as the most obvious solution would be to use the same mag as the rest of NATO
The FAMAS was designed for M193, BEFORE the adoption from the definitive Nato SS109 ammo, this is the real cause from this probleme, but the older Famas with proprietary magazines and steel cases are scraped or improved (new barell and magazine attachment) to be compatible with M16 type magazines (Famas valorisé, Felin or surbaissé) or Stanag curved magazines (Famas G2)
We use Famas since the 70’s, when Germans used G3, Italians the BM59, Brits the FAL…. Nobody used stanag mags in EU 50 years ago, because there were probably NO stanag mags during this period.
@@TheArmourersBench in addition, when I mentioned a “brand new ak” - it’s never a Russian ak-12. I tried it, it performs well but as soon as you leave without cleaning after shooting, it gets rusty immediately. Much worse than soviet ak or any AR-15 I tried. Almost nobody talks about that, but the quality of metal in Russian ak-s are absolute crap.
@@FrauFitzer that's really useful info, I'd heard that the AK-12s had rust issues with the gas system being hard to clean too. I'd like to do a video on AK-12 use in Ukraine.
I talked with a guy that served in the soviet army during the afghan war, I am pretty much sure he would say that ten mags are nothing. Also saw a video of a Russian that fought in the early stages of the war, he said that soldiers would often use dozens of under-barrel grandes, hand grenades, and hundreds of bullets in one fight. The soldier stated that he used around 12-14 hand grenades and one RShG (РШГ) to clear a house, and they would clear dozens of them as a unit....
Doesn't surprise me that many nations upgrading to new weapons systems would be "gifting" it's old armament to Ukraine and similar countries that they want to build good will with. With Ukraine however, they seem to have a zillion different small arms of all eras and calibers right now. I'm sure they're happy to have whatever they can get their hands on, but I can't imagine how much of a logistical nightmare that must be in regards to ammunition, spare parts, etc..
You would think there has to be some simple way to modify the gun to use regular ole STANAG mags so that way the proprietary ones would not be such a pain in the ass. The Croatian VHS-2 ought to be obtainable in that area. I have the civvy version of the VHS, the Springfield Hellion and I love that gun. The trigger isn't near as bad as other bullpup rifles.
There is. Theres a modification package to the FAMAS called the G2 that gives is a lower that takes STANAG magazines. They are, for french reason, quite rare.
@@lougrims The FAMAS G2 from the french Navy is not a kit but a specific version...Other versions still in service are F1 valorisés or similar, compatible to M16 magazines and Nato 5.56, older versions F1's are scrapped ...
J'ai utilisé le FAMAS pendant des années, c'est une arme excellente mais il faut éviter de tirer plus de trois chargeurs de suite en rafale libre car le canon chauffe beaucoup et devient bleu. Cette arme est très compacte (bulle pup) et on peut éjecter les douilles à droite ou à gauche en inversant l'extracteur et l'éjecteur ainsi que la protection en plastique de la crosse. C'est intéressant pour un tireur gaucher. Très peu d'incidents de tir et très bonne précision grâce au bipied, tir tendu jusqu'à 300 mètres et possibilité de tirer des grenades à fusil. La possibilité de tirer des rafales de 3 coups évite de vider un chargeur trop vite et de disperser inutilement ses tirs.
oui, vu l'énorme cadence de tir, ça chauffe en rafale continue, mais en combat personne ne gaspille ses munitions de cette façon: pour ça il y a des armes spécifiques comme la FN Minimi, qui n'est pas un modèle de fiabilité (usure rapide) d'où son prochain remplacement par une arme plus moderne et plus légère
This war will bring many interesting things into future. For example the war accelerated acception of sights into Russian army, people went from: -oh, Ivan, conscripts will break it to -a usable optics? Yeah please! Also interesting to see what happens with captured arms, I already saw that a lot of NATO rifles are taken into Chechen forces or into PMC groups (often the buy civilian versions and somehow transport it into Russia).
It's a FAMAS Felin based on the G2 configuration of the 1990's. So basically a FAMAS able to work with classic 5,56 NATO ammo Weird that he is not able to take the STANAG mag of his comrades as the G2 is STANAG compatible
You have your law makers to blame for that one, especially this administration. There’s maybe 400 FAMAS’s in the US and they call for a hefty price when found. After playing Ghost Recon and FEAR games as a kid, I always wanted the FAMAS or HK SL8. Hell, I’d quit my job and become a arms dealer to obtain a G11 or any rare gun.
@@mmmmburgerz9442 Man, if you could get a G11, you could quit your job and just live on what you could make selling it. I first learned about the G11 from Delta Force 2 way back in 2004-ish. My love of the FAMAS comes from Metal Gear Solid.
I don’t know how to explain this simply, but we signed a threat, Non proliferation armes petit calibre, we don’t sell weapons to civilians, only state to state. That’s stupid indeed, we could sell a bunch of old Famas to US, instead of destroying them.
Makes sense that the FAMAS was shown in the hands of soldiers that would not be expected to see intense firefights. The limitations of the magazine matter less for mortar crews or intelligence units that are not expected to find themselves under sustained rifle fire.
Le Clairon, had it for 5 yrs when I served in the Legion...love that gun. Edit: I know it's not called Le Clairon in the legion just saying it's nickname.
@@alexandrelarsac9115Hello troll! I'm french. CLAIRON is a French word. Of course is you Google it well spelled... not CLARION! What a troll you are in all ways possible!
I would be interested to know how the Ukrainian military decides decides which regiments are distributed with foreign weapons. I would also be interested to know which rifle the majority of the soldiers prefer to use. I've just recently come across a Ukrainian RUclipsr. He seems to have access to all kinds of weapons. On his latest rifle video, he claims the SCAR-L is the best rifle so far. He prefers this rifle over the AK-74, Bren 2, and Daniel Defence. I'm quite surprised considering the The SCAR-L's reputation is not very well received
One of my favorite rifles. Got to test an F1 and F2 when doing disaster relief security. I love the bipod. The rifle can just stand on its own, letting me get out from behind it and leave it in position like it was a placed machine gun. Also lets me put the rifle down on the ground without dumping it in the dirt. I looked into US production. No cooperation with the data package. Did a lot of napkin math. Came up with a number over one million dollars just to recreate the data package, not including legal issues that would arise. That is not even building a single rifle; just the data package. Would have an easier time genetically crafting a unicorn.
@@LuluBear974 A file of documents laying out materials, specifications, material requirements, and methods of production. It is made for any production product and the purpose is to allow other facilities and/or companies to produce said product to proper specifications. Most of my background is in the automotive field, but the process is the same for any manufacturer.
@Jesses001 one million only to reverse engineer the "data package"? Seriously? And what legal issues? Any patent that has been used is now a public domain. Moreover, since it was made in 1970, materials, tooling, and processes have improved a lot. Rather, take Solidworks blueprints and start from scratch for industrialization processes. Injection molds using up-to-date polymers for plastics. Lost wax microfusion for small and/or CNC for metalics parts. The real challenge is metal alloys formula and hardening heat treatment PLUS barrel dimensions since it's specifically tuned for cartridge. Even then, using Solidworks or whatever stress and constraint mechanical simulator, it's rather not that difficult to find the good direction. A lot of pre industrialization R&D and prototyping can be done rather quickly with a small team and being pessimistic, let's say, 12 months.
@@LuluBear974 Well it was a while ago, and the French government still considered the F2 version of national interest. Also I was never a very successful engineer so maybe someone could had done better, but since no one did it at all it would seem my final conclusion stands.
@@Jesses001 FYI HS Produkt VHS-2 "Hellion" created based on Famas was officially tested against 2 other rifles for replacing Famas and passed all except "minimum company sales revenues" to ensure SAV longevity... thus, we ended up with HK416 instead... that is all!
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It's not just the rifling that limits the use of round. The recoil delay system itself is designed for the lower powered steel cartridge. Using the higher power SS109 rounds poses an increased danger of failure over time.
The variety of weapons used in this war is like a bloody Counter Strike game.
I am pretty sure except for the desert eagle (because of how rare it is), every firearm in this game has seen actual use in this war
@@quakethedoombringer I don't know if the Glock 18 has shown up yet either
@@nickkennedy9034 pretty much sure that GRU units use them
@@quakethedoombringer I can guarantee you some Ukranian commander is carrying one on his hip as I write this comment.
@@nickkennedy9034pistols are barely if not used in large conventional wars
Ukraines logistic situation has to be a nightmare.
maybe, probably isn't that bad for small arms and ammo. Vehicles and tanks are probably harder to maintain
Arguably one of the worst in modern military history they have to call Germany USA uk to get spare parts for a broken tank or artillery piece and instructions. Then they have to convince Vietnam the next day to sell them Soviet ammunition.
@@rklkify I was gonna say most of the guns they are getting meet the NATO standard for ammo/mag so different housing but same ammo largely. Obvi there's a lot of exceptions to this. Just generalizing
Maintenance in the field is taxing, to say the least, but most of the big jobs they just ship it back west and the countries that ruj them refit and repair them. Could be far worse.
@@rklkify
@@MartinMcAvoy it is obvious you know nothing of the situation on the ground.
It seems like pretty much every firearm under the sun has seen some kind of service in this war.
I’m waiting to see Garands and Mosin-Nagants in use.
@@cm275 seen mosins, yet to see enfields
@cm275 Mosin Nagants have seen service in the war. Don't think there is any evidence (or liklihood) of a Garand though 😂
@@cm275 didnt the donetsk and luhansk republic use the mosin nagant?
I haven't seen any Asian domestic firearms (Singapore, Korea, Japan) appearing
Ian McCollum: *happy french noises*
So basically Ukraine has the same sort of arsenal as the Russian forces in the original MW2 at this point.
Kinda, just more AK-74s than AKMs...
Tar-21, PP90, F2000, and etc...
So ridiculous back then when l see those game🤣
The FA-MAS was made in the 1973 so after that
@@Volvotryggve oupsy hahaha
No, now there are more diferent kinds of arms and ammunition…
If youre into JDM cars: IS THAT A SUPRA?!
If you're into guns: IS THAT A FAMAS?!
Its more like is that an HK? A famas is more like seeing unicorn in civilian life
Oh Frankie McBaseball.
I wonder if he ever got to hold an actual FAMAS.
@@riclate2013 yeah well, a Mk4 is a 45K car run, 11K sold in the us, a good chunk of the cars are gone... it looks great and is a lot more in looks than it really was a performer (as it was a GT after all...) honestly it fits.
the famas is too "common" to say IS THAT A VENTURI? (actual exotic french sports car)
Is the Nissan Skyline no longer the archetype JDM car? I must be getting old.
I have used Famas, and I like it very much.
@jeanboseau9249 Too bad the French Army doesn't.
@@StefanBlagojevic They very much do…
@StefanBlagojevic it does! What it doesn’t like is the platform not evolving and not being updated along the years like AR15 becoming... M16 becoming... M4 because of constant improvements! Only thing lacking to the famas is good ergonomics and rail system: take the barrel, the action and the trigger group, put it inside a VHS-2 or better a Desert Tech WLVRN (with Desert Tech trigger linkage) and you have one hell of a beast!!!
@@StefanBlagojevic The French army loved it and wanted a modern equivalent, then the leftists took power shutdown the national arms factories and destroyed everything so that workers wouldn't make weapons to give to a probable revolution.
@@StefanBlagojevicnot a matter of like. Issue is can't make anymore or parts.
I'm surprised to see some soldiers removing the bipod. I greatly appreciated having one when I transitioned from the FAL to the Galil.
The bipod of the F1 was realy good, but the one from the Revalorisé is dog shit, very fragile and less rigide than the first version
@@felinvirginia1 Thanks for the clarification.
The bipod can fall dawn after each shot. That’s why.
@@victor6814 That sucks.
Yep.
(Ian McCullum heeds the call of the francophile, immediately books a trip to Ukraine) 🤣
Even if he could take a crate home, he's not going to a warzone, guy. he's a tad too, bourgeoisie, if you will.
@@beelow84 being an expert or a historian and occasionally playing soldier in a safe environment is one thing, having grenades dropped on you by a drone is completely different game. Not to mention, people who go to war usually believe in the cause and those are mostly dead by now in this conflict. Next wave of recruits are usually those who have no other choice or are forced to participate. Ian is not your regular (redneck) youth with no other prospects. Good for him.
and you dislike france for what reason? Your "francophile" sarcasm makes it obvious.
@@minerran Ian has described himself as a francophile on occasion.
@@minerranany reason under the sun is good enough reason to spit on frogs
As much as Ukrainian logistics must be a fucking nightmare, I honestly think that it's a very precious learning opportunity for NATO logistics. From the get-go, the entire goal behind standardized interchangeable equipment like STANAG magazines, picatinny rail systems, 5.56 and 7.62 calibers, etc. was to make logistics simpler, especially even when faced with different member countries' varied weapon designs.
The Ukraine War is the true testing ground for NATO logistics that GWOT and joint military exercises could never be.
research the Coo that happened in Ukraine in 2014. The people of Eastern Ukraine voted to join Russia again and a few days after the vote passed a violent overthrow of the government and installation of a puppet leader prior to Zelinski happened. Then for almost 9 years they have been shelling the cities of Eastern Ukraine and have been killing civilians daily. Totalling almost 20,000 civilians in almost a decade. Putin had warned Western leaders for years to stop killing ethnic Russians there and encroaching on Russian territory but They Refused to abide by there own (Minsk accord) and Putin finally said enough is enough and started the Special Military Operation. You have been lied to by Corporate media your whole life.
NATO exercises, protocols and requirements are all compatible for ammunition, ordnance, magazines (STANAG) etc it's never been an issue and was proven decades ago. Ukraine is not NATO, hence it is no testing ground nor proof of concept. Afghanistan was.
The French naval FAMAS does use stanag mags. they did use the steel cased ammo originally because of the high pressure curve you get with a lever delayed blowback. it also has a fluted chamber for that same reason. They've changed the barrel and worked out the issues so firing brass cased ammo is fine
The F1 showed in the video is an earlier model and does not accept Stanag mags, don't know if they could be easily converted tho
Yep French navy FAMAS are the G2: reconizable with the gard from the pistol handle and can use curved STANAG 30 shot magazines, also M16 type ...
@@mrreziik the FAMAS whe see here is a F1 "valorisé", with a new barell adapted to NATO 5.56, but compatible only with M16 type magazine, only the G2 can use curved Stanag magazines
If I recall correctly, when the FAMAS F1s went through the revalorisé process at Nexter Mechanics, they were re-barreled with 1/7" twist barrels made by Beretta
Those aren’t f1s and
Did you watch/hear the video?
@@BaconSlayer69 Re-read the part where I mention "valorisé"
@@vonderdynamite4435 Yes, why?
@@TeletubbiesRcute still the Famas rifles in the video aren’t f1s my point remains look at the upper receiver
he pronounced everything (mostly) right 🤩
I went airsofting after a long time and it's amazing how homogeneous the used platforms were. Ukraine got a bigger roster of firearms than a video game at this point
Yeah, Airsofting = 90% ARs, some SCARs and that ONE guy using an AKM.
Famas is a great weapon.
bruh the soldier testing the Famas at the start of the video has no left hand, and is still flipping that bipod out faster than i probably could! freaking legend!
Babe wake up, new Armourer's bench
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i wouldn’t be surprised if we see the Howa Type-89 there but my country never sells it
you're not real
@@schweinehund3497indeed, we all know japanese people cant speak english because they can never do it properly in anime
I thought Japan doesn't sell weapons? So far all I've known is that Japan only sent helmets and other infantry equipment that isn't a firearm.
@@dannyzero692 I know i said it in Jest, My father served in the JGSDF from 1974-89 and utilized the Howa Type-64 my older brothers used the Type-89 during their time.
It would be interesting to see Japanese weapons being field tested in live combat. Especially the Japanese military is in the middle of replacing their rifles
Gratz on 100K subs.
I am a bullpup fan. Former Army Infantry , I totally get the reason why they serve their purpose. Everything in life is a compromise, but in mount and vehicles the modern bullpup rules.
In the field, what rules, is how much maintenance the equipment requires,. Having said that, in the current theater, 6 months are rain, and the ground is sandy and muddy, which very quickly can demote the capabilities of the equipment mentioned in this presentation. It would be prefereable something like HK for this situation, or better, peace.
@@christopherneufelt8971 Then a short stroke or long stroke piston.
@@s.k.6616 Or free netflix, amazon, disney channel so that suddenly all war parties stop to fight. Oh, I forgot: free only fans for the warzone.
The bullpup brings the centre of gravity closer to the shoulder making it easier to hold accurately
About time we see the Famas.
I imagine they also have a SOCOM, PSG-1, Nikita, and... A HIND D?!...
What's a Russian gunship doing here?!
@@wh8787
It just downed two F16's!
@@wh8787 I have no idea... but it looks like our little diversion got their attention.
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Nice, that's what I think about every time I see a famas or socom since 1998 when I was 8. And a stinger for that matter. 1 of best video games ever.
Great video! Thanks!
Thank you for watching!
god i love this channel
Thank you!!
They'll probably end up armory oddities like the M14s & FALs due to the lack of magazines.
Really sucks that the FAL and M14 are oddities rn they’d both make killer DMRs
Shit the FAL can shoot some rifle grenades too I believe
Stanag work on Famas
FAL are largely used in Ukraine since they are still made by FN. A shit load of them have already been sent with good reputation
They've had M14s for a while. I forget why.
The already have m14 and fal
5:44 Do you know where you can get more info about that gray radio box with two antennas sticking out of it? I know that it's used for drone detection, but I don't know how it works, or how it informs troops of nearby drones and I'm quite curious.
Do you know if the VHS2 is currently being used in Ukraine as well?
Helghast bought them all :(
ive seen a few pics of them in ukraine but not in any large numbers
I always wanted to fire one of these on the range. They look very cool, and they started my weird obession/adoration of NATO standard 5.56mm bullpup rifles.
Thanks man, really interesting episode. Its amazing to see the range of rifles being used.
Edit oh I didn't know about the lower power round. And you know I love me an ss109.
4:03 The trigger is so bad you can visually see the shooter struggling with it.
Bullpup guns always have weird triggers but not sure looking at how he is shooting that he is a very experienced shooter
@@felinvirginia1 The Famas is particular bad among bullpups
Q to my French brothers. In French do you call the HK416 'quatre cent seize' or e.g. 'quatre seize'? Also is there a nickname for it yet? e.g. Famas = clairon (bugle).
In "civilian" we call it quatre cent seize but i am sure that military call it with a short name.
for the new Glocks, (new sidearm of french military) the description is PSA GLOCK (Pistolet Semi-Automatique)but i am sure they refer to it as "glock" for shotgun, FAP (yeah you can laugh as Fusil A Pompe)
Where i work we have the hk ump9, and we call it "le Hk"
@@hrldp4394 merci pour la réponse intéressante.
Just HK
We pronounce it "HK quatre cent seize". Same way French people don't say "dix-neuf quatorze" to say nineteen-fourteen, they say "mille neuf-cent quatorze" as in nineteen-hundred & forty-two.
@mysticaccount5845 this I know. Am pretty fluent, pour un rosbif. But the military are famous for shortening names, to aid communication. As is the French informal language. One could drop the 'cent' and it still makes sense. HK is also sounding realistic in everyday use as there are no/few other HK products in the system. "Ash kah".
It IS possible to adapt FAMAS to use STANAG, if memory serves. FAMAS G2 is one such rifle which French navy uses. Wonder if anyone in Ukrainian industry bothered to look into it.
For 1,000 rifles, probably not. Thanks for watching!
Thanks again, Matt. It would be interesting to hear the numbers of units using NATO standard calibers vs. old Soviet ones. Logistically, it would be bad to mix the two. I'd imagine the armorers face significant challenges. Also, do you happen to know the mix of calibers for the Malyuks? Your previous vid is two years on now.
Ditching these in favour of HK416 was a crime
The Best FAMAS was the G2, i did use it in the frnech Navy and realy like it, but objectively, for me, the best bullpup on the market today is the Thales F90 MBR, a evolution from the Steyr AUG who appears ~in same time as the FAMAS in the 70's...The F90 was adopted from the Australian army after the previous version F88
@@leneanderthalien People say the reason for losing the FAMAS was the loss of production capacity, but if Thales can build a perfectly good rifle, I don't understand / The Russo-Ukraine war shows the necessity of being able to build for yourself when you can't rely on imports.
@@WanderlustZero Globalists are trying to defeat us from within. The US has lost most of our chemical plants due to the EPA so most of our ammo primers and gunpowder actually comes from South America.
Hey thanks for the video. Do you have the name of the channel that showcased the FAMAS with the acog?
famas and fnc squad is peak sovl
This is real call of duty this is nuts
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The FAMAS immediately makes me think of Metal Gear Solid 1 on PS1.
i keep thinking of call of duty
Counterstrike source
@@chillydawgg4354 i used to play CS Source all the time (Crackhouse, Gungame)…but for some reason I barely remember the FAMAS from it. Weird.
The fact some guys can choose their rifle from their armory seems like a big logistical oversight, but you fight with what you got I guess
An absolute great firearm that has proven its worth in many battles and was ahead of its time back then. Unfortunately internal politics, the frenchs aversion to NATO and their inability to adapt has lead to its demise and subsequent replacement. Had the french a bit of foresight and updated the rifle to NATO standard (30rnd STANAG, brass cartridges, picantinny rails etc. ) it would still be around. They should have done what the croatians did with the HS VHS2, which ironically was developed as a replacement for all the Famas types. Truly a shame, especially now where gun design has stangnated and every nation just adopts soje form of M4 clone. I hope the ukrainians that use the Famas can atleast get some use out of it.
Hk416 > baguettemas
What's worse, is that they did have the G2 version that made it more NATO compatible but, aside from the French Marines, it didn't achieve widespread service. And putting flutes on the chamber was apparently an easy fix for the ammo problem but for some reason it was never implemented.
@@kutter_ttl6786 The reason why is pretty well known. The reason is the guns are nearly 50 years old and the company that made them ceased to exist 20 years ago.
Famas is total shitshow. That's why they transferred to 416.
@@kaamoshaamu Hmmm no, they’re changing to the HK because the FAMAS has been at the end of its lifespan for like 10 years…
Ukraine war is the only one that comes close to a COD game in which every single conceivable small arm from every nation is being fielded simultaneously 😂
I was wondering a similar question: has Italy offered AR70/90 to Ukraine since it has recently adopted the ARX160?
You have a very good French accent
Haha, thank you, I wish my French teacher in school had thought that!
@@TheArmourersBench Il devait etre Anglais lol
@1:26 pot leaf patch?
Just a note, a lot of Ukrainians serve(d) in the French Foreign Legion so no doubt they would be familiar with the FAMAS. With France having replaced the FAMAS in frontline use all the surplus riflea and former Ukrainian FL troops would likely use them. Furthermore the French said something about deploying French troops to Ukraine but they are probably Ukrainians who earned French citizenship after the five year probation period.
I think i like the early gen model look over the later gen models,
'The Bugle'!
Винтовка безусловно хорошая, НО, американские винтовки на базе AR-15 и Российские АК, а также аналоги Американских М4 и АК-а - оказались более надёжными. Ну и бельгийские FN FAL тоже оказались хорошими.
What gloves are being worn in 4:34 ?
Get a life
This isn't the Famas but an improvised version that someone ( probably the ukrainians ), the gap between the picatinny rail and the barrel block is much larger than in the video
It’s a famas valorisé. The French updated some f1 rifles to add rails.
Ukrainians also use they own bullpup the Malyuk (in 5,45 soviet, 7,92 soviet and 5.56 Nato), based on the AK74 mechanism, first models was not realy optimised (bad selector positon for example), but the most advanced version is now realy good and is use by the Ukrainian special forces...
i love that particular one with its massive optic futuristic as fuck
Thank you.
The F1 is the earlier version of the FAMAS, with the proprietary mags. But Ukraine said, give them to us anyway.
As you said, the HK416 is replacing the FAMAS in France, so I would suspect more STANAG compliant FAMAS will be going to Ukraine.
Yes indeed, we might see some more appearing in time.
F1 valorisé, compatible with M16 type magazines and Nato 5.56
@@leneanderthalien No, still using FFAMAS magazines. Only the F2 uses STANAG magazines.
Not f2, it's g2 for stanag
Pour l'avoir utilisé en tant que réservistes ,
Je trouve que c'est une excellente armes
Precise a 200 m avec ses organes de visée.
(Oeilleton guidon.)
Sa compacité le rend pratique en combat urbain.
( PS. J'ai aussi tiré avec
Les fusils
Mas 36
Mas 49/56
Frf 1 ( le plus précis même sans lunette)
G3.
looks like we are all friends now
1:15 combat flip flips?
Combat Crocs, man. It's the new millennium. 🥸
Wondered who'd notice the crocs first.
I didn't know FAMAS was French, cool!
Congratulations on the 100k subscribers.
Thank you!
Now they just need steady aim pro and to unlock the m203
Ukraine will be giving just about every western arms manufacturer a report card at the end of the year.
The quote like the CZ Bren from what I’ve seen.
Has there been any sightings of the Shak-12?
I've seen one perhaps two sightings, and not for a while.
“Hi squad leader, trade you 3x Anderson for one St Etienne. Throw in horooooo sun for your trouble.” - Cousin Harry
H-Sun combat chops confirmed.
So holosun's are good to go. Nice to know.
They're battle tested...
You can say your build is Ukraine clone correct lol
Ian McCollum has entered that chat
Not really surprised, this war has brought out almost every weapon you can think of,
Gun Jesus looking at it: *weeps a tear*
Screw the FAMAS, that FN FNC is a beauty
I know! I need to do a video on them. MSBS Grot first though, the MSBS mob will kill me otherwise.
@@TheArmourersBench MSBS master race. The Desert Tech MDR is better but before that was out, I really liked the MSBS as it really pulled the design from Magpul's PDW which never got a firearm release due to issues with Bushmaster.
I'm starting to believe that this influx of so many different kinds of weapons, along with this conflict, will create a gun culture in Ukraine similar to that in the US.
Man what the hell was France thinking with those proprietary magazines they're literally right smack in the middle of NATO countries
The French copy no one and no one copies the French
Every since the end of the war France has had a stick up their backside about all things military. As far as I am aware, they went with those proprietary mags out of stubbornest as the most obvious solution would be to use the same mag as the rest of NATO
The French are stupid when it comes to weapons design.
The FAMAS was designed for M193, BEFORE the adoption from the definitive Nato SS109 ammo, this is the real cause from this probleme, but the older Famas with proprietary magazines and steel cases are scraped or improved (new barell and magazine attachment) to be compatible with M16 type magazines (Famas valorisé, Felin or surbaissé) or Stanag curved magazines (Famas G2)
We use Famas since the 70’s, when Germans used G3, Italians the BM59, Brits the FAL…. Nobody used stanag mags in EU 50 years ago, because there were probably NO stanag mags during this period.
Have the Canadian C7/C8 rifles been seen in Ukraine? Canada has sent over 30,000 Colt Canada rifles.
Will have a video on what I think are those rifles soon. I need to finish a couple of others first.
@@TheArmourersBench looking forward to it. 30,000 rifles is def nothing to sneeze at.
I am a member of 128th brigade and I do confirm that we have a few Famases. But only a few.
Thank you for sharing that! I've no idea how Ukrainian logistics decides where things go. They do seem to have been spread round in small numbers.
@@TheArmourersBench we just use what we we’re issued with. Some of us would rather choose to get a brand new ak, mainly because of ammunition
@@FrauFitzer absolutely makes sense, ammunition is key. Helps the AK is a familiar platform too.
@@TheArmourersBench in addition, when I mentioned a “brand new ak” - it’s never a Russian ak-12.
I tried it, it performs well but as soon as you leave without cleaning after shooting, it gets rusty immediately. Much worse than soviet ak or any AR-15 I tried. Almost nobody talks about that, but the quality of metal in Russian ak-s are absolute crap.
@@FrauFitzer that's really useful info, I'd heard that the AK-12s had rust issues with the gas system being hard to clean too. I'd like to do a video on AK-12 use in Ukraine.
So cool. They should issue ten magazines with each rifle, its really hard to run out of ammo if you have ten mags
I've seen soldiers go through 10 mags in an hour or two in an actual gunfight. Having to reload using boxed ammunition is a royal PITA
I talked with a guy that served in the soviet army during the afghan war, I am pretty much sure he would say that ten mags are nothing.
Also saw a video of a Russian that fought in the early stages of the war, he said that soldiers would often use dozens of under-barrel grandes, hand grenades, and hundreds of bullets in one fight. The soldier stated that he used around 12-14 hand grenades and one RShG (РШГ) to clear a house, and they would clear dozens of them as a unit....
What is this, WW1?
@@kutter_ttl6786 sort of.
If they get the navel version which uses AR mags as it was a compatibility request/requirement laid out by the Naval Commandos.
As a reservist in the french army i still use the famas to this day, its a beautiful weapon really compact and precise
Doesn't surprise me that many nations upgrading to new weapons systems would be "gifting" it's old armament to Ukraine and similar countries that they want to build good will with. With Ukraine however, they seem to have a zillion different small arms of all eras and calibers right now. I'm sure they're happy to have whatever they can get their hands on, but I can't imagine how much of a logistical nightmare that must be in regards to ammunition, spare parts, etc..
You would think there has to be some simple way to modify the gun to use regular ole STANAG mags so that way the proprietary ones would not be such a pain in the ass. The Croatian VHS-2 ought to be obtainable in that area. I have the civvy version of the VHS, the Springfield Hellion and I love that gun. The trigger isn't near as bad as other bullpup rifles.
There is. Theres a modification package to the FAMAS called the G2 that gives is a lower that takes STANAG magazines. They are, for french reason, quite rare.
The French Navy had a kit for that but IIRC it was quite rare.
@@lougrims The FAMAS G2 from the french Navy is not a kit but a specific version...Other versions still in service are F1 valorisés or similar, compatible to M16 magazines and Nato 5.56, older versions F1's are scrapped ...
Can it pierce vatnik standart issue airsoft armor?
J'ai utilisé le FAMAS pendant des années, c'est une arme excellente mais il faut éviter de tirer plus de trois chargeurs de suite en rafale libre car le canon chauffe beaucoup et devient bleu. Cette arme est très compacte (bulle pup) et on peut éjecter les douilles à droite ou à gauche en inversant l'extracteur et l'éjecteur ainsi que la protection en plastique de la crosse. C'est intéressant pour un tireur gaucher. Très peu d'incidents de tir et très bonne précision grâce au bipied, tir tendu jusqu'à 300 mètres et possibilité de tirer des grenades à fusil. La possibilité de tirer des rafales de 3 coups évite de vider un chargeur trop vite et de disperser inutilement ses tirs.
oui, vu l'énorme cadence de tir, ça chauffe en rafale continue, mais en combat personne ne gaspille ses munitions de cette façon: pour ça il y a des armes spécifiques comme la FN Minimi, qui n'est pas un modèle de fiabilité (usure rapide) d'où son prochain remplacement par une arme plus moderne et plus légère
I love the FAMAS. It's just cool.
This war will bring many interesting things into future. For example the war accelerated acception of sights into Russian army, people went from:
-oh, Ivan, conscripts will break it to
-a usable optics? Yeah please!
Also interesting to see what happens with captured arms, I already saw that a lot of NATO rifles are taken into Chechen forces or into PMC groups (often the buy civilian versions and somehow transport it into Russia).
Why weren’t they given the G2 variants?
Probably as they are not yet surplus rifles, the transition to the 416 is not complete.
the G2 variant was only in use in the French Navy. So in a much fewer number than in French Army. Those are also replaced with HK416.
They really didn't make very many G2s
what works might come down to what is available at the time.
So, STANAGs don't work at all in FAMAS? Do FAMAS 25 rounders work in other rifles?
No, they are proprietary to the FAMAS. There is a modification package called G2 which allows FAMAS to use STANAG magazines, but they're quite rare.
@@pluemas What about ammo compatibility? Can it use brass cased or steel only?
@@Mike-yy4ll he talks about that in the video...
@@gawkthimm6030 He only talks about 55 grains and 77 grains, smartass.
@@Mike-yy4llthey can use all! Steel case are only used because they are cheap.
Another Cold War classic ❤
It's a FAMAS Felin based on the G2 configuration of the 1990's. So basically a FAMAS able to work with classic 5,56 NATO ammo
Weird that he is not able to take the STANAG mag of his comrades as the G2 is STANAG compatible
It isn't a G2, it's an F1 Valorise which didn't add the mag conversion.
Engagement. Comments, likes.
Every little helps. Thanks for watching!
There about, seen one, but its still probably 98% AKs
if i got my hands on one of those i'd sneak it back home no matter what
As an American, I would like a FAMAS. Are we not a friendly nation? Is our Government OF the people? The people demand FAMAS.
You have your law makers to blame for that one, especially this administration. There’s maybe 400 FAMAS’s in the US and they call for a hefty price when found. After playing Ghost Recon and FEAR games as a kid, I always wanted the FAMAS or HK SL8. Hell, I’d quit my job and become a arms dealer to obtain a G11 or any rare gun.
@@mmmmburgerz9442 Man, if you could get a G11, you could quit your job and just live on what you could make selling it. I first learned about the G11 from Delta Force 2 way back in 2004-ish. My love of the FAMAS comes from Metal Gear Solid.
I don’t know how to explain this simply, but we signed a threat, Non proliferation armes petit calibre, we don’t sell weapons to civilians, only state to state. That’s stupid indeed, we could sell a bunch of old Famas to US, instead of destroying them.
Blame American importation laws.
Makes sense that the FAMAS was shown in the hands of soldiers that would not be expected to see intense firefights. The limitations of the magazine matter less for mortar crews or intelligence units that are not expected to find themselves under sustained rifle fire.
Le Clairon, had it for 5 yrs when I served in the Legion...love that gun.
Edit: I know it's not called Le Clairon in the legion just saying it's nickname.
Nobody calls it le Clarion in the legion. You're full or it. "Clarion" is not even a French word. A real légionnaire would know it.
@@alexandrelarsac9115
I did not say it was called that in the legion. It was nicknamed that before I got in the legion.
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@@alexandrelarsac9115Hello troll! I'm french. CLAIRON is a French word. Of course is you Google it well spelled... not CLARION! What a troll you are in all ways possible!
That Famas was not being tested by the "armed forces", it was being tested by the "Arm" forces
wonder what rifle the french trained and equiped battalion will recieve
I would be interested to know how the Ukrainian military decides decides which regiments are distributed with foreign weapons. I would also be interested to know which rifle the majority of the soldiers prefer to use. I've just recently come across a Ukrainian RUclipsr. He seems to have access to all kinds of weapons. On his latest rifle video, he claims the SCAR-L is the best rifle so far. He prefers this rifle over the AK-74, Bren 2, and Daniel Defence. I'm quite surprised considering the The SCAR-L's reputation is not very well received
That man only has one hand
NATO: alright lets standardize.
France: Yes, on OUR magazine.
'The French imitate no one*, and no one imitates the French'
*Well, until 2016...
Maybe because we use this mag since 50 years now, before the stanag on 5.56 mags
One of my favorite rifles. Got to test an F1 and F2 when doing disaster relief security. I love the bipod. The rifle can just stand on its own, letting me get out from behind it and leave it in position like it was a placed machine gun. Also lets me put the rifle down on the ground without dumping it in the dirt.
I looked into US production. No cooperation with the data package. Did a lot of napkin math. Came up with a number over one million dollars just to recreate the data package, not including legal issues that would arise. That is not even building a single rifle; just the data package. Would have an easier time genetically crafting a unicorn.
What do you mean about "data package"?
@@LuluBear974 A file of documents laying out materials, specifications, material requirements, and methods of production. It is made for any production product and the purpose is to allow other facilities and/or companies to produce said product to proper specifications. Most of my background is in the automotive field, but the process is the same for any manufacturer.
@Jesses001 one million only to reverse engineer the "data package"? Seriously? And what legal issues? Any patent that has been used is now a public domain. Moreover, since it was made in 1970, materials, tooling, and processes have improved a lot. Rather, take Solidworks blueprints and start from scratch for industrialization processes. Injection molds using up-to-date polymers for plastics. Lost wax microfusion for small and/or CNC for metalics parts. The real challenge is metal alloys formula and hardening heat treatment PLUS barrel dimensions since it's specifically tuned for cartridge. Even then, using Solidworks or whatever stress and constraint mechanical simulator, it's rather not that difficult to find the good direction. A lot of pre industrialization R&D and prototyping can be done rather quickly with a small team and being pessimistic, let's say, 12 months.
@@LuluBear974 Well it was a while ago, and the French government still considered the F2 version of national interest. Also I was never a very successful engineer so maybe someone could had done better, but since no one did it at all it would seem my final conclusion stands.
@@Jesses001 FYI HS Produkt VHS-2 "Hellion" created based on Famas was officially tested against 2 other rifles for replacing Famas and passed all except "minimum company sales revenues" to ensure SAV longevity... thus, we ended up with HK416 instead... that is all!
Obvious question: Why didnt they supply G2 models that take STANAG magazines? Seems like a no-brainer in such a situation.