@reslider I can't take all the credit. A Subscriber last week (who is a Tom Bodett fan), asked if I could do somthing "Motel 6" like lol. Did I pull it off?
The first generation ('76-'79) "shear look" Seville was the best IMO - the ones that followed, not so much (especially the '86)! I remember what a sensation they caused when first introduced and they carried a lot of "esteem" with the general public at the time. Within a couple years, it seemed like every car had the Sevilles vertical back glass. The only other luxury car that had the same impact at introduction was probably the '69 Continental MKIII.
@TomSnyder-gx5ru The 92 was nice IMO. The Northstars that came later tarnished the car. The 86 did look too much like somthing most other GM divisions offered for less.
When you mention the “prices in today’s money”, the only thing I can think is, I’m not surprised it was a lot of older people buying them. I didn’t realize how expensive they were. 😂
@zacharyvarnes1734 LOL..Yeah..I personally find it interesting adding pricing adjusting for inflation, and it's a common theme with almost all my vids. Saying a 1971 Pinto was 2 thousand bucks doesnt mean much if you were not alive yet, or old enough to remember!
@ an elementary school friend of mine’s mom used to drive Seville’s. She had a 93 or 94 in white (not sure exact year) and then when the 98 redesign came out, she got a red one. Thought it was beautiful.
@ yeah… very disappointing, because I remember the Northstar V8’s being such a big deal. I think you mentioned there is a fix for the issues, but the cost… hmm… idk. I guess if you really love Cadillacs and wanted to preserve it? 🙃
@zacharyvarnes1734 Resale values dropped making them cheap because of it...and it was a expensive fix. Not a good combo when you find out the price to fix it may be more than what you bought it for. I used to have a used car lot and got stuck with a 99 Caddy with a Northstar. It was a Fleetwood I think. Was only 11 or 12 years old, 100k miles, everything worked, looked great, but had the Northstar problem. Ended up selling it as a Mechanics special for 750 bucks.
I LOVED the styling of the early 90s STS. They successfully combined sharp edges and gentle rounding to create a look that is both a nod to their past while not looking dated. It looked fresh and modern. I loved that pearl color they had too. The Northstar was a beast in its day. 295 (later 300)hp was serious business in the early 90s. Too bad about all the problems that engine had. I also loved the ETC. I feel like everything I said applied to that car in the same way.
@arieljones4595 When I had my 74 Datsun 260z it was white and needed paint. I got the GM Diamond White color code off a Aurora and had it done in that! Beautiful color and it looked silver under street lights.
Excellent coverage of the Seville! Long story short, I knew a gentleman who had an 8-6-4 and got to ride in it several times. It was astounding to me how smooth the transitions were and watching the cylinder count gauge was as well. Thank you and well done.
The first generation Seville, in my personal opinion, is still the most beautiful and best styled. That "Seville Look" was widely copied throughout GM's downsized, 1977 full-sized cars and also copied again for their 1978 downsized, mid-sized cars. The other domestic automakers copied the first generation Seville as well. I had the wonderful pleasure of driving a 1978 Seville as an office company car on many, many occasions. I loved that car so much. It was the perfect blend of a Jaguar XJ6 and a "baby" Cadillac. My personal car at the time was a 1976 Cadillac Sedan de Ville. So, the Seville was quite different, yet still retained that "Cadillac feel." I later owned a 1983 Eldorado, which was a great handling car, but the "HT 4100" engine sucked. My best friend owned a 1980 Seville with the 368ci V8, which I drove on occasion. Being based on the Eldorado's platform, they drove and handled identically. But I still love the 1976-1979 Seville the best of all. Sadly, very sadly, they no longer build Cadillacs. Cadillac died years ago.😢
Love it, love it, LOVE IT! That was awesome! I wasn’t expecting quite that much of a reference, but I was pleasantly surprised to hear that whole bit and you knocked out of the park. :-) Great job and THANKS!
@nickjohnson4260 LOL Thank you! The whole Tom Bodett thing started last week with a Subscriber in the comment section. I was asked to incorporate some sort of Motel 6 in this one.
Find something better than the Versailles. How about a mark 3. Idk if you have actually seen a Versailles but it's the gaudiest vehicle. Prepimped if your into that. The Mark 3 is their best ever. I want one of those!!!
@joellamoureux7914 The Lincoln Mark 3 is a two-door coupe. The Versailles is a four-door sedan. Makes a lot of difference. And yes, I have seen a Lincoln Versailles more than once. Which is why I want one.
You did a good job with the video content and footage. I heard that comment or joke about the Cadillacs having their own zip code. The Ninety Eight was just as long in that era too. I heard your Tom Bodette joke and your other comments as well. Cadillac had the digital gauges as you said and Ford started using them in 1980 on several cars( Ford. Lincoln and Mercury). Chrysler did in 1981 on Imperial. You covered the different generations nicely as well. You were too kind to the downsized 1986-1991 model. We all know it looked like a N Body sedan. You did say it looked like other GM cars. I caught all the Oldsmobile references from the engines( the diesel 350 and the Northstar), the platforms( E Body and G Car) used as well. You did your homework and it shows. I enjoyed the video. I liked the 1980-1985 with digital gauges. I liked the 1992-1997 model with digital gauges before Northstar V8. I recall Cadillac Iran too. The 1975-1979 Seville look was copied by all GM brands well into the 1980's. The Cutlass Supreme 4 door and 1982-1986 Bonneville G Body among others had that look. GM called it the "shear look". I liked the fact you showed the concept car and what they were thinking. I recall they almost used the Opel Diplomat, but decided against it. Years later the use the Opel Omega. They did not decide against that. Excellent video.
@@autochatter It was a good video. I enjoyed it. You had the information and the footage. I will leave you with this: ruclips.net/video/VP_SbRKgFfQ/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/MweZ3J2vLA4/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/Z3QF0uZti9s/видео.html
@averyparticularsetofskills Thank you and great question! I'm going to say a 911 Turbo, but there's many other cars I gravitate to. I'm a big aircooled VW fan, love Japanese sports cars, and there's others too.
I love the 1998-2004 Seville. The Bose 4.0 sound system was awesome. Although it shared the platform with the DeVille, the Seville felt more tighter than the DeVille.
@rickymack2611 I like them too. It's been forever since I've seen one though. I drove a 2000 STS around for a while about 15 years ago. Nice driving car.
“Not Tom”. Great one to come back to! Haven’t heard that in ages, another great vid as usual! Edit: I don’t know if its possible or the info exists, but can you imagine how many of these GM wheel styles were machined or made? GM used such similar yet slightly varied designs in the 80-90s. I bet those numbers and that story would be interesting for boring people like me.
I'm a Cadillac guy and love nearly any from the 1966 to 1992 as my favorites. At this time I have a pristine 1986 Seville and 1988 Cimarron and love them both. Of the Cadillac's, I'm a true Seville guy. I've owned (all used) 2 1979's, several from the 1980 to 1985, one 1989 STS in white and now this 1986. I've also owned a 1977 and a 1979 Lincoln Versaille. Guess I like the size. On another note, could you try to do one of these on the 1982 to 1988 Cimarron? And not a negative one like it seems most anything about the Cimarron was. You do a great job, so would love to see one on the Cimarron's. Thanks.
@danielberning1240 First of all thank you! Actually I have done the Cimarron already here ruclips.net/video/7SgN7b-5co0/видео.htmlsi=JdGVNQSt4Vxm9yd6 I don't condemn the car throughout, but I am critical of it, especially the first few model years. But I do try to explain why it came to be....and how many at Cadillac were not sold on it either. Ive done the Versailles too if you haven't seen it yet.
@@autochatter Oh my gosh. I can't believe that I forgot about that one (or two). I actually have your two videos saved from a couple years ago!! I love them and you were spot on for being critical where appropriate. I will go back and watch them both soon now. Thank you.
Friend of mines had the first new small Seville it still had the Factory CB radio in it. The mic had the Cadillac crest on it. This was in the late 2010’s
@ 😂 yes sir I was shocked it was still in the car after all them years didn’t work but a CB shop could’ve fixed it. Sadly the car is in the big junk yard in the sky now R.I.P.
Got to ride in a 93 sts. It was quite,quite impressive. Seems like it had more power than that. The owner. A coworker,took it up to 130 on i83 in Baltimore using the breakdown lanes. It felt solid and safe at those speeds. Done that in some other cars that didn't at all.
I'm from UK the 76 - 79 my all-time favourite caddy.even favourite American car.the shape your right doesn't scream 70s more 80s.to me.great shape even now looks modern.great motor tje black.looked well cool.wire wheels mmm yeah but probably not.if I was to have one
According to my quick calculations, a person shopping for an Olds 350 V8 equipped car in 1976 could purchase a Delta 88, Cutlass and an Omega for about the price of one loaded Seville. If my math is incorrect, I will be happily corrected.
Ah the Sunday morning front row of the church parking lot car. Along with the Oldsmobile 88, Lincoln Towncar, and the inevitable conversion vans for those grandparents lucky enough to have more than one grandkid.
the Seville was meant to compete with the BMW 3 Series and the like first attempt at a small car for a premium price $12,479 before shipping options taxes title registration etc. and it would go on to be the 2nd best selling nameplate in Cadillac history with 1.1 million units sold between Seville and SLS/STS between 1976-2011
My jr high science teacher would sometimes drive “his wife’s” triple white ‘79 Seville to work. I hated it. It was too small to be a Cadillac and needed vertical taillight fins, etc…. Fast fwd 37 years and I now own a ‘90 Seville - the smallest and most unloved Seville of all time.
The Seville looks 1980s because everyone copied its upright rear window styling I remember the bookkeeper at work had a silver one silver vinyl top and silver interior that car was Nice!
To be fair, for anyone from europe, asia...just basically not in the US: saying an american car in the seventies looks like an eighties car is sort of a moot comparison when most of the styling by the mid to late eighties was still more or less the same with american cars. What I will say, is that the first gen Seville looks much crisper, more balanced and thus fresher than the bustleback that replaced it...that design really wasn't progress.
Well yes and no. Ford adopted a aero look in the 80s that everyone was pretty much doing by the 90s. Chrysler and GM was still putting out designs more like the original Seville IMO.
Subtitle this one "How to alienate many of your best customers" ☹ The 'bustle-back' look was off-putting to many people, especially Caddy traditionalists who preferred the squared-off 'land yacht' look. Their abandonment of Cadillac for European cars proved to be a wise move when GM couldn't make a decent engine for these cars. Caddy screwed up trying to compete with the European cars while keeping these cars plushy and slow; they should have continued a 'land yacht' type of car for their older buyers alongside the Seville. By the early to mid 90's Buick had upped it's luxury game and many buyers were opting for Roadmasters and Park Avenues which were better cars and equally nice or the short-lived Olds Aurora which was a great car in it's own right. Had Cadillac started off without trying to include it's traditional demographic and built the Sevile base model as something like the STS they could have gained a new younger generation of loyal customers, but once those people shifted to European cars there was no getting them back. With how good those cars were compared to American ones of the time that might not have been possible but they should have tried. In the end some buyers remained doggedly loyal to Cadillac because of it's perceived prestige and others came aboard when the STS finally emerged as a real Euro competitor, but overall this was the end of Cadillac's dominance of the American luxury market for decades to come and the end of land yachts in general. "You may not have a great big Cadillac, gangster whitewalls TV antenna in the back"... 😎
Cadillac lost a ton of market share from 1980 to 1990, and as you stated, it never came back. I think the horrible engine options just killed them, along with questionable moves like the Cimarron. The Escalade and "Art and Science" era in the early 2000's helped them get some former glory back.
What could have been…..if the arrogant design team didn’t push for that awful bustle-back design that lost for the Gen1. Imagine if the Gen1 lived an other year or so and instead became a 4 door Camaro (underneath) and more of a performance contender. Even if Gen2 was a 4-door Eldo design with fwd it would have been better. How to kill a brand re-definition for literally a generation, if not forever.
@DD-dj4jr Well they kind of did that eventually with the CT5 Blackwing, as it shares the Camaro platform and nasty ZL1 supercharged V8 with it. The Bustleback must have been popular then,as Chrysler and Lincoln copied it later. I think its ugly.
Lincoln toned it down and their copy did “ok” yet was not Mercedes competition like the 1975-79 Seville which was an aspirational vehicle. The Chrysler Imperial was peak Las Vegas and a failure. The “Frank Sinatra” edition says it all…..definitely not where Cadillac should aspire to compete.
@DD-dj4jr Those two historically looked up to Cadillac and settled for table scraps. IE lower priced alternatives. I'd rather have the Fox and Panther Platform Lincolns of the 80s though.
I'll leave the headlights on for you.....that's it, that's your catch phrase. Well done.
@reslider I can't take all the credit. A Subscriber last week (who is a Tom Bodett fan), asked if I could do somthing "Motel 6" like lol. Did I pull it off?
@@autochatter absolutely! Good teamwork!
@@autochatter Your new 'trademark' 😎
@@P_RO_ Lol..Maybe!
The first generation ('76-'79) "shear look" Seville was the best IMO - the ones that followed, not so much (especially the '86)! I remember what a sensation they caused when first introduced and they carried a lot of "esteem" with the general public at the time. Within a couple years, it seemed like every car had the Sevilles vertical back glass. The only other luxury car that had the same impact at introduction was probably the '69 Continental MKIII.
@TomSnyder-gx5ru The 92 was nice IMO. The Northstars that came later tarnished the car. The 86 did look too much like somthing most other GM divisions offered for less.
When you mention the “prices in today’s money”, the only thing I can think is, I’m not surprised it was a lot of older people buying them. I didn’t realize how expensive they were. 😂
@zacharyvarnes1734 LOL..Yeah..I personally find it interesting adding pricing adjusting for inflation, and it's a common theme with almost all my vids. Saying a 1971 Pinto was 2 thousand bucks doesnt mean much if you were not alive yet, or old enough to remember!
@ an elementary school friend of mine’s mom used to drive Seville’s. She had a 93 or 94 in white (not sure exact year) and then when the 98 redesign came out, she got a red one. Thought it was beautiful.
@zacharyvarnes1734 They were lookers in the 90s...Shame about that Northstar though.
@ yeah… very disappointing, because I remember the Northstar V8’s being such a big deal. I think you mentioned there is a fix for the issues, but the cost… hmm… idk. I guess if you really love Cadillacs and wanted to preserve it? 🙃
@zacharyvarnes1734 Resale values dropped making them cheap because of it...and it was a expensive fix. Not a good combo when you find out the price to fix it may be more than what you bought it for. I used to have a used car lot and got stuck with a 99 Caddy with a Northstar. It was a Fleetwood I think. Was only 11 or 12 years old, 100k miles, everything worked, looked great, but had the Northstar problem. Ended up selling it as a Mechanics special for 750 bucks.
I LOVED the styling of the early 90s STS. They successfully combined sharp edges and gentle rounding to create a look that is both a nod to their past while not looking dated. It looked fresh and modern. I loved that pearl color they had too. The Northstar was a beast in its day. 295 (later 300)hp was serious business in the early 90s. Too bad about all the problems that engine had. I also loved the ETC. I feel like everything I said applied to that car in the same way.
@arieljones4595 When I had my 74 Datsun 260z it was white and needed paint. I got the GM Diamond White color code off a Aurora and had it done in that! Beautiful color and it looked silver under street lights.
Excellent coverage of the Seville! Long story short, I knew a gentleman who had an 8-6-4 and got to ride in it several times. It was astounding to me how smooth the transitions were and watching the cylinder count gauge was as well. Thank you and well done.
@charlesdalton985 I'm sure when it was working as advertised, it was pretty cool. Thanks for enjoying and commenting on this Chatter too!
The 2003 STS chrome wheels (with a special center cap) were also used on the 2003 Final 500 Oldsmobile Aurora.
Interesting!
The first generation Seville, in my personal opinion, is still the most beautiful and best styled. That "Seville Look" was widely copied throughout GM's downsized, 1977 full-sized cars and also copied again for their 1978 downsized, mid-sized cars. The other domestic automakers copied the first generation Seville as well. I had the wonderful pleasure of driving a 1978 Seville as an office company car on many, many occasions. I loved that car so much. It was the perfect blend of a Jaguar XJ6 and a "baby" Cadillac. My personal car at the time was a 1976 Cadillac Sedan de Ville. So, the Seville was quite different, yet still retained that "Cadillac feel." I later owned a 1983 Eldorado, which was a great handling car, but the "HT 4100" engine sucked. My best friend owned a 1980 Seville with the 368ci V8, which I drove on occasion. Being based on the Eldorado's platform, they drove and handled identically. But I still love the 1976-1979 Seville the best of all.
Sadly, very sadly, they no longer build Cadillacs. Cadillac died years ago.😢
@@MarkWG Great post!
Love it, love it, LOVE IT! That was awesome! I wasn’t expecting quite that much of a reference, but I was pleasantly surprised to hear that whole bit and you knocked out of the park. :-) Great job and THANKS!
@@metaforce I appreciate that you enjoyed it, and certainly some inspiration credit deserves to go your way! Themes and parody I love!
The First Gen, the 1976-1979, were the Most Beautiful Cars ever built. The other Gens were never as good. !!! God Bless America. !!!!
@johnpezzullo9644 I do like the looks of a first gen myself.
I KNEW your voice sounded a little like someone else but I couldn’t place it until you shared today! 🤣. Love your content, keep it up! ❤
@nickjohnson4260 LOL Thank you! The whole Tom Bodett thing started last week with a Subscriber in the comment section. I was asked to incorporate some sort of Motel 6 in this one.
5:39 I am serious, and don't call me Shirley 🤣🤣🤣
@@pdennis93 I love that movie so much!
lol motel 6. What's hilarious! Love it!
@@PearComputingDevices Thank you! It was kind of a running gag because I was told I sound like the Motel 6 guy LOL.
@autochatter Yeah I can definitely hear the similarities to Tom Bodate.
@@PearComputingDevices Well...Mission accomplished then!
The first generation Seville and the Lincoln Versailles are two cars that I definitely want. Both cars are worth having as first cars right now.
@@johnnymason2460 I'm sure there's still a few out there for sale.
Find something better than the Versailles. How about a mark 3. Idk if you have actually seen a Versailles but it's the gaudiest vehicle. Prepimped if your into that. The Mark 3 is their best ever. I want one of those!!!
@joellamoureux7914 The Lincoln Mark 3 is a two-door coupe. The Versailles is a four-door sedan. Makes a lot of difference. And yes, I have seen a Lincoln Versailles more than once. Which is why I want one.
Not a bustle back fan. Looks like it would open into a rumble seat.
Yeah...Im not either!
As a kid I thought they looked like the back of a garbage truck.
You did a good job with the video content and footage. I heard that comment or joke about the Cadillacs having their own zip code. The Ninety Eight was just as long in that era too. I heard your Tom Bodette joke and your other comments as well. Cadillac had the digital gauges as you said and Ford started using them in 1980 on several cars( Ford. Lincoln and Mercury). Chrysler did in 1981 on Imperial. You covered the different generations nicely as well. You were too kind to the downsized 1986-1991 model. We all know it looked like a N Body sedan. You did say it looked like other GM cars. I caught all the Oldsmobile references from the engines( the diesel 350 and the Northstar), the platforms( E Body and G Car) used as well. You did your homework and it shows. I enjoyed the video. I liked the 1980-1985 with digital gauges. I liked the 1992-1997 model with digital gauges before Northstar V8. I recall Cadillac Iran too. The 1975-1979 Seville look was copied by all GM brands well into the 1980's. The Cutlass Supreme 4 door and 1982-1986 Bonneville G Body among others had that look. GM called it the "shear look". I liked the fact you showed the concept car and what they were thinking. I recall they almost used the Opel Diplomat, but decided against it. Years later the use the Opel Omega. They did not decide against that. Excellent video.
@OLDS98 Thank you Olds! I kinda figured the extensive chat mentioning Oldsmobile would tickle your fancy LOL.
@@autochatter It was a good video. I enjoyed it. You had the information and the footage. I will leave you with this: ruclips.net/video/VP_SbRKgFfQ/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/MweZ3J2vLA4/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/Z3QF0uZti9s/видео.html
Again I appreciate it..I always learn somthing new every week!
Banger Chatter!!
Question: what's your all time favorite car?
@averyparticularsetofskills Thank you and great question! I'm going to say a 911 Turbo, but there's many other cars I gravitate to. I'm a big aircooled VW fan, love Japanese sports cars, and there's others too.
@@autochatteryou literally just said my answer as well. Is that an upbringing era thing or just an overabundance of intelligence thing?
@@robl7532 As I'm not intelligent, im going with the Era one. 😀
@ Sounds like you need to leave the headlights on for yourself a bit more sire.
@@robl7532 Especially at night
..I will try that.
I love the 1998-2004 Seville. The Bose 4.0 sound system was awesome. Although it shared the platform with the DeVille, the Seville felt more tighter than the DeVille.
@SouthsideKidd550 The stereo was great. I had a 00 STS with the Bose on my car lot I had years back.
The first generation Seville is my favorite Caddy
@rickymack2611 I like them too. It's been forever since I've seen one though. I drove a 2000 STS around for a while about 15 years ago. Nice driving car.
“Not Tom”. Great one to come back to! Haven’t heard that in ages, another great vid as usual! Edit: I don’t know if its possible or the info exists, but can you imagine how many of these GM wheel styles were machined or made? GM used such similar yet slightly varied designs in the 80-90s. I bet those numbers and that story would be interesting for boring people like me.
@robl7532 Thanks Rob! This was fun to do. We were away on a cruise all week, but still managed to get one out by Saturday.
GM was famous for changing things annually even way back when Ford was building the same Model T for years.
@ and having 10 variants of the same thing….just ever so slightly different. Must be how you run a business efficiently? Lol.
@robl7532 Worked for a long time though...Going up the divisions as you got more financial stability.
I'm a Cadillac guy and love nearly any from the 1966 to 1992 as my favorites. At this time I have a pristine 1986 Seville and 1988 Cimarron and love them both. Of the Cadillac's, I'm a true Seville guy. I've owned (all used) 2 1979's, several from the 1980 to 1985, one 1989 STS in white and now this 1986. I've also owned a 1977 and a 1979 Lincoln Versaille. Guess I like the size.
On another note, could you try to do one of these on the 1982 to 1988 Cimarron? And not a negative one like it seems most anything about the Cimarron was. You do a great job, so would love to see one on the Cimarron's. Thanks.
@danielberning1240 First of all thank you! Actually I have done the Cimarron already here ruclips.net/video/7SgN7b-5co0/видео.htmlsi=JdGVNQSt4Vxm9yd6 I don't condemn the car throughout, but I am critical of it, especially the first few model years. But I do try to explain why it came to be....and how many at Cadillac were not sold on it either. Ive done the Versailles too if you haven't seen it yet.
@@autochatter Oh my gosh. I can't believe that I forgot about that one (or two). I actually have your two videos saved from a couple years ago!! I love them and you were spot on for being critical where appropriate. I will go back and watch them both soon now. Thank you.
Friend of mines had the first new small Seville it still had the Factory CB radio in it. The mic had the Cadillac crest on it. This was in the late 2010’s
@@mikeisaacs2314 The 70s cel phone!
@ 😂 yes sir I was shocked it was still in the car after all them years didn’t work but a CB shop could’ve fixed it. Sadly the car is in the big junk yard in the sky now R.I.P.
@mikeisaacs2314 Thats sad to see it may now be razor blades.
@@autochatter he had the D’elegance so it had all the options like the 2 tone paint black with silver and the thick chrome stripe down the side
@mikeisaacs2314 I liked the two tone look of the era.
Got to ride in a 93 sts. It was quite,quite impressive. Seems like it had more power than that. The owner. A coworker,took it up to 130 on i83 in Baltimore using the breakdown lanes. It felt solid and safe at those speeds. Done that in some other cars that didn't at all.
@joellamoureux7914 Its a fun engine in there. I put about 500 miles on a 00 STS. I can't bring myself to buy one because of the Northstar though.
At the time the Seville was Cadillac's most expensive model.
Yep!
I'm from UK the 76 - 79 my all-time favourite caddy.even favourite American car.the shape your right doesn't scream 70s more 80s.to me.great shape even now looks modern.great motor tje black.looked well cool.wire wheels mmm yeah but probably not.if I was to have one
@@Bod8998 Other GM models like the Caprice had a similar look later.
@@autochatter yeah but it ain't a caddy. great channel by the way
@Bod8998 Thats true, and thanks for the props on the channel!
Great video! One thing though...it's not "Elegant package." It's "Elegante." EL ehhh gan te."
@tdvandy2 Yeah....I caught that late in production myself. You are correct and thank you!
According to my quick calculations, a person shopping for an Olds 350 V8 equipped car in 1976 could purchase a Delta 88, Cutlass and an Omega for about the price of one loaded Seville.
If my math is incorrect, I will be happily corrected.
@@rightlanehog3151 A 88 or Cutlass that year both started at or under 5 grand. Even adding every option, I can't see it hitting Seville levels then.
@@autochatter Forgive my lack of clarity, I was referring to a purchase of all three Oldsmobiles. 😉
@rightlanehog3151 Ahhh...Yeah...You pretty much could buy all three or one Seville then!
@@autochatter In making this assertion, I am assuming the Omega had a genuine Olds 350 not a Chevy engine.
@@rightlanehog3151 I'm going to GUESS that year it would be a Rocket V8 myself.
Ah the Sunday morning front row of the church parking lot car. Along with the Oldsmobile 88, Lincoln Towncar, and the inevitable conversion vans for those grandparents lucky enough to have more than one grandkid.
Oh yeah. No Senior Center would be complete, without all of those parked out in front of it.
the Seville was meant to compete with the BMW 3 Series and the like first attempt at a small car for a premium price $12,479 before shipping options taxes title registration etc. and it would go on to be the 2nd best selling nameplate in Cadillac history with 1.1 million units sold between Seville and SLS/STS between 1976-2011
@@courtneypuzzo2502 Did your homework! Awesome!
My jr high science teacher would sometimes drive “his wife’s” triple white ‘79 Seville to work. I hated it. It was too small to be a Cadillac and needed vertical taillight fins, etc…. Fast fwd 37 years and I now own a ‘90 Seville - the smallest and most unloved Seville of all time.
@jessalmero4145 I spent some drive time in a clean 90 Eldorado about 13 years ago. It was small, but I liked it.
The Seville looks 1980s because everyone copied its upright rear window styling
I remember the bookkeeper at work had a silver one silver vinyl top and silver interior that car was Nice!
@joemazzola7387 It was a trendsetter I agree.
To be fair, for anyone from europe, asia...just basically not in the US: saying an american car in the seventies looks like an eighties car is sort of a moot comparison when most of the styling by the mid to late eighties was still more or less the same with american cars. What I will say, is that the first gen Seville looks much crisper, more balanced and thus fresher than the bustleback that replaced it...that design really wasn't progress.
Well yes and no. Ford adopted a aero look in the 80s that everyone was pretty much doing by the 90s. Chrysler and GM was still putting out designs more like the original Seville IMO.
I believe the first gens were based on Malibu not Nova.
@@theprinceofsnj I think the "colonade" cars were bigger.
Nope, it was indeed based on the Nova platform - and they did a commendable job camouflaging it.
@@TomSnyder-gx5ru They did that for sure!
i like bustleback sevilles with diesel or gas v8😅.
That diesel is scary 😨 😳
"ElegantE". You have to pronounce the last E.
@michaelfullmer6391 Yeah..I caught that myself late into production.Sorry!
Subtitle this one "How to alienate many of your best customers" ☹ The 'bustle-back' look was off-putting to many people, especially Caddy traditionalists who preferred the squared-off 'land yacht' look. Their abandonment of Cadillac for European cars proved to be a wise move when GM couldn't make a decent engine for these cars. Caddy screwed up trying to compete with the European cars while keeping these cars plushy and slow; they should have continued a 'land yacht' type of car for their older buyers alongside the Seville. By the early to mid 90's Buick had upped it's luxury game and many buyers were opting for Roadmasters and Park Avenues which were better cars and equally nice or the short-lived Olds Aurora which was a great car in it's own right.
Had Cadillac started off without trying to include it's traditional demographic and built the Sevile base model as something like the STS they could have gained a new younger generation of loyal customers, but once those people shifted to European cars there was no getting them back. With how good those cars were compared to American ones of the time that might not have been possible but they should have tried. In the end some buyers remained doggedly loyal to Cadillac because of it's perceived prestige and others came aboard when the STS finally emerged as a real Euro competitor, but overall this was the end of Cadillac's dominance of the American luxury market for decades to come and the end of land yachts in general.
"You may not have a great big Cadillac, gangster whitewalls TV antenna in the back"... 😎
Cadillac lost a ton of market share from 1980 to 1990, and as you stated, it never came back. I think the horrible engine options just killed them, along with questionable moves like the Cimarron. The Escalade and "Art and Science" era in the early 2000's helped them get some former glory back.
Elegante was mispronounced. It is properly pronounced ehl eh gohn tay.
@howebrad4601 Yes...I caught that myself late in production.
I had a '92 Seville for about a year. It was the biggest piece of junk I'd ever owned up to that point. Turned me off GM for years.
I could see why Sevilles then struggled, when you could get a Buick Lesabre for less, and it was a good car overall.
What could have been…..if the arrogant design team didn’t push for that awful bustle-back design that lost for the Gen1.
Imagine if the Gen1 lived an other year or so and instead became a 4 door Camaro (underneath) and more of a performance contender.
Even if Gen2 was a 4-door Eldo design with fwd it would have been better. How to kill a brand re-definition for literally a generation, if not forever.
@DD-dj4jr Well they kind of did that eventually with the CT5 Blackwing, as it shares the Camaro platform and nasty ZL1 supercharged V8 with it. The Bustleback must have been popular then,as Chrysler and Lincoln copied it later. I think its ugly.
Lincoln toned it down and their copy did “ok” yet was not Mercedes competition like the 1975-79 Seville which was an aspirational vehicle. The Chrysler Imperial was peak Las Vegas and a failure. The “Frank Sinatra” edition says it all…..definitely not where Cadillac should aspire to compete.
@DD-dj4jr Those two historically looked up to Cadillac and settled for table scraps. IE lower priced alternatives. I'd rather have the Fox and Panther Platform Lincolns of the 80s though.
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@@OLDS98 I'm subscribed to him!
Too bad GM didn't style all their downsized Caddys like the 76 Seville
@@jamesstuart3346 Yeah..The 1st gen Seville was sharp.
Always handsome.but the biggest POS. Everyone has a neighbor with one for sale for 1000 bucks ,needs work.
Butt ugly cars! Can't believe ppl bought this monstrosity. Remember seeing them on the road and thought it was joke. 😢
@@petestaint8312 Which gen? The Bustleback ones?
@autochatter either/ or. All were ugly
@petestaint8312 Well...You can't argue with a opinion! I prefer sports cars myself.
@autochatter sometime in the future, can you highlight the 1966 Dodge Charger? Cool car. 😎
@petestaint8312 Its on the to do list yes