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@cmoore7700 I'm happy to see you back for more! I could definately see Ford being a little "old school" at that time. Seemed to more than make up for it in the 80s with the Taurus, Thunderbird,and Tempo. And thank you!

Saving the 500/Taurus for another vid

@@pcno2832 I'm sure they did.Lots of changes you couldn't see, versus not changing things you could with that car.

@ghhtdesfh Oh definitely! I did a Cimarron vid awhile back too. That one was even worse IMO.

The Cimarron was considered an elegant looking car when it debuted, but after a year of obviously-similar Cavaliers flooding the roads, it was looking a little exposed. With the schedule they had set, GM couldn't do much about the slow engine, but they could have at least put a cover on the plastic bin between the rear passengers. That bin was included on all the early J-cars because the engine and brakes were too weak to safely handle 5 passengers. It was removed when the load capacity of the cars was increased for '83 or maybe '84.

@@pcno2832 They got better at disguising it's J Body roots as time went on

@ChrisHsuCars it was a interesting time in automotive history...For better or worse.

@@cuteguy9358 Best Sentras EVER!

@CLee-oo9yl The 500 was technically the replacement, and they tried calling it a Taurus later because no one was buying them. I figured at the time to give them a future episode.

@@autochatter Not that gen. The all new Taurus they introduced in 2010. Google it

@@autochatter No. The 2010-2019 Ford Taurus

@@CLee-oo9yl Yeah..Was going to lump all the newer ones together later

@jwelchon2416 LOL...some ladies prefer a more practical sedan than a 2 seater I guess.

@cuteguy9358 Yeah the engine they had was strong for the time.

Yeah...Ive covered some of that in other videos. Even gave the infamous Cimarron it's own! G.M. had so many divisions, and they all seemed to have their own clones of similar models.

Being from North Carolina originally, I've heard it referred to as that LOL.

@paulstein7369 Henry Ford II shouldn't have fired him LOL.

@@kc0lif They were.

@humblergto4514 Yeah I'm subscribed to him..Opening theme is awesome.

@@johnnymason2460 Agreed. The lineup wasn't taylored well for this market.

It was WAY more car than the Cimarron that came later!

@@williamegler8771 LOL..Im sure!

@BilllieverMinistry The Grand Monarch Ghia had the 4 wheel disc's and I assume the 9 inch rear as well. I know Lincoln put a little more into them, like the front mounts you mentioned. They also stepped up quality control from the Ford and Mercury versions. I mentioned how the rear ends were prized possessions to be had thats true!

@giuliopedrali4794 Yeah..But by the early 80s Caddy had the awful 8/6/4 engines,diesels, and the Cimmeron.

@@autochatter Yes, the beautiful Cadillac Seville was only a Chevrolet Nova with a different body but was a success with a high price for the time and a good 180 cv V8

@giuliopedrali4794 At its core yeah, but they made so many changes, the lump of clay they started with didn't matter LOL.

@@autochatter Yes, Cadillac Seville was a strong (and unique...) GM competitor for european luxury cars, and the body, the design was too american, with a touch of Rolls-Royce

@@autochatter And i spoke on 1975 Cadillac Seville, a masterpiece, not on the so so 1980 Seville

Yep..They were all doing that stuff then.

@@keywestjj I read the carbs were problematic with those.

@owlnswan4016 Agreed 💯. Same goes for the Cadillac Cimmeron later too.

@@MS-wb5mf They did, but by the 80s,they were forgetting how to do that LOL.

@dmandman9 I personally think the Grenanda and Monarch looked better.

@@autochatter Me too. The front treatment looked ok . But rear was the problem. Thefake spare looked tacky like it was a kit that someone ordered from a catalog

​@dmandman9 Yeah it had that someone ordered stuff from JC Whitney look about it.

@@autochatter That’s it. You said it perfectly! From the rear,The Versailles didn’t even appear to be an upgrade of the Monarch . But rather it seemed to be a caricature of the Granada. I believe Lincoln would have done better to delay the introduction by one year and put a bit more thought into the design. The change to the roofline should have been included from day 1. Alterations to the instrument cluster, and to the trunk and taillights would have gone a long way Towards hiding its humble roots . Since it was a unibody, stretching it a few inches to make it closer to the length of the former 1st generation Montego with a 113” wheelbase. I don’t think the development costs would have been that much greater. And the sales would have been better. The car itself wasn’t bad at all for the era. Then again, they could have used their mid-sized Torino/ Cougar as the template similar to what Ford did with the T-bird in 1978. That T bird was essentially a gussied up LTDII. but it didn’t announce it. Anyway, I’ve rambled enough 😅

@dmandman9 You keep on rambling! Fantastic post!

@peter455sd Considering the Monarch was being advertised as a Mercedes Benz alternative then, I'd agree with that.

Well put!

@@pdennis93 ROFL..The camp song! Love it!

@@autochatter yup. I've been making that joke for years.

@@stevenwilhite4026 Thank you! This one is off to a good start!

I love velour. I miss it having it in my '90 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight that I gave up a few years back. I've regretted it ever since.

I noticed an add for some upmarket SUV (Volvo, I think) that bragged about a "leather free" interior, presumably for the vegan crowd. That's the best marketing flimflam since the "focus free" camera!

@@sgtalstrafficticketblog2452 Maybe. I probably should have gone on Auto Tempest and see if any are currently for sale.

@OLDS98 Thank you Olds! Yeah Cadillac pulled a blatant "Versailles" move with the Cimmaron later...Actually I'd say that was even worse.

@@autochatter You are most welcome. Yeah Cadillac pulled a "Versailles" and did it worse. There was no redeeming the Cimarron. It took until the ATS/CT4 before they got the formula right years later. You cannot do it on the cheap.

@OLDS98 But, but the Caterra was so awesome 😉

@@autochatter It was a Opel/Vauxhall Omega that was then modified to be the basis for the Holden Commodore/Calais/UTE/Statesman/Caprice. Omega led to the CTS. The CTS led to CT5 today. It took some time to get the formula right. I got your humor. :)

@OLDS98 Yeah..I mentioned the Caterra in my Opel episode.

@gssher6743 Yes...I thought the car I showed was a 80 Continental Mark...That wasn't the one year only one before the Town Car name was used instead? And thank you!

Well im glad you made the decision to give the channel a test drive, and thank you! Ive done some other models that may be up your ally.

@richarddalkranian3261 Ah yes! Of course! Is now in the description

@@autochatter Bob got me into classic cars about 40 years ago. As you probably know he has a lot of reviews that you can use.

@@richarddalkranian3261 Yes. I've seen quite a few of them!

@@averyparticularsetofskills Thanks! Adding the tunes is fun....Time consuming at times, but fun. If I had a million subs, I'd spring for liscened music.

I believe they were too..I touched base on that a little. I recall seeing them on the road a long time.

@wmalden Nice color! Didn't talk about it in the vid, but the two tone paint option was well under 100 bucks from what I read.

@wmalden I'm sure...You had to pony up for things like AC and I think you only got a straight 6 and 3 speed manual standard. The Versailles was still alot more and it didn't come loaded either for 11,500.

@neilouellette3004 Well yeah...But who would watch a 5 second video?? 😆

@averyparticularsetofskills 🤣 The taillights were practically phoning it in compared to a Grenada...Not much different. Folks then would have been more receptive to different door skins and bumpers, versus some of the mechanical upgrades the Versailles had.

@@autochatter Right 😂👌 ... well "phoning it in" must've been a new design exercise in the Lincoln studios for this one, taillights doors and all. Ohhh if they had only known it would've taken more than Town Car(ish) front clip and a lil fugazi 'BBL junk in the trunk hump' to fool the shoppers into buyers maybe more than the select few would know it actually existed.

@averyparticularsetofskills I....have no argument for any of that! fugazi...lol..I haven't heard that in a long time! I think that's called "Boujee" now.

I agree 💯 with that. The Seville was a better example then of how to do it the right way. I don't think it helped either that Ford and Mercury Grenada/Monarch ads were all about being a luxury car on the cheap.....So why buy a expensive version?

@haggis525 Yeah the Grand Prix was kinda cool then..Thank you as always!!!

@@bigcrowfly Or was the Grand Monarch Ghia the forerunner of them all?

@@bigcrowfly and then Cadillac made the ultimate WTF and slapped a badge on a Cavalier. Imagine if Lincoln had sold a dressed up Ford Tempo.

@@bigcrowfly Yes, it was obvious that The 5th avenue indeed was an upscale Dodge But it looked BETTER than the car it was based on and had an “elegance” to it that the Versailles lacked. Ford made improvements to the ride and added sound deadening that made it a better vehicle. But then they slapped on that hideous trunk and made it look like a catalog kit car. Looking like a caricature of the Granada rather than a luxury version of the monarch . I think the 5th Avenue can be compared to the 77 vs the 76 Ford Thunderbird where they started the LTD II and took it upscale and offered The luxury of the old Thunderbird (if you optioned it right)

@@h.paulsprojects3061 Happens to me all the time! And thank you!

@@samueldeandrade9058 Thank you! I love Brazil!

@@autochatter obrigado abraços!!!

@samueldeandrade9058 Your welcome!