I’m Returning My BigSky MX (And Why You Should Too)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- The Strymon BigSky MX is the newest reverb pedal from Strymon. But to me, it's more gimmick than tool. In this video, I breakdown my reasons why this pedal isn't quite up to snuff, and demo the pedal to show you why.
0:00 Intro
1:19 Things I Do Like
2:24 Dual Reverbs
2:59 Cab Filter UPGRADE
3:46 My Issue Is the Infinite Switch
4:21 Rig Rundown
4:49 Infinite Switch 101
7:17 Gripes about Infinite
7:51 The Issues Begin with the Processors
9:48 Should You Buy One?
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So let’s address the two issues raised here and first he is welcome to his opinion click bait or not. 1 the infinite switch he has a point of expect if I put the freeze on that I’d get more than dry signal as well but let’s be honest this at most is a firmware update to solve and given the nixie software at release currently doesn’t allow for editing of patches on the Mx could also be surfaced as an option when this becomes available 2, the processor comment he states that the chip is $15 which when looking at building any device is actually expensive most of the time chips on consumer electronics are priced i. The 1-2 dollar if not lower to support mass production and final cost to customer. The comparison to the chip in his ten year old Mac is also unfair, a Mac is built to support a myriad of functions from video editing to simple word processing and sometimes all of the above at the same time, this creates heat which then need a cooling solution which means fans can which means more power consumption. Personally I don’t want an over powered processor on my board in a device that is exposed to much harsher conditions than my computer I want something that is tuned for the task and reliable. So yes it may be lower powered but this means no active cooling needed and it’s instruction set internally is tuned for it’s purpose (don’t forget the space shuttle was running old 486 processors even when more advanced chips were available). Lastly he makes a sweeping g statement that he couldn’t use 50% of the pedals functionality which is why he is returning it. Personally i don’t believe the infinite switch makes up for 50% of the features and functionality of the pedal especially when you take I to account the it processing cab sims new magneto engine and stacking reverbs.now his entire style may rely on infinite which could be his thing which is all good. Great to see his opinion but I would not take it as far as to say everyone should return their pedals because of this.
I think with a pedal as deep as this, I would need a few months before I could say I dont like it. None of the things you brought up would bother me.
Fair enough. But to be fair, the only thing I don’t like is the infinite function. Give me back bank C and the pedal is on my board.
The take you have on the chip is flat out wrong. Devices like this, including the most high end rack mounted digital effects absolutely do not need a chip like you would find in a Mac. x86 & ARM64 are designed for a totally different purpose, and are optimised for multiple applications running at once. DSP chips have a totally different architecture and use case. The comparison between the clock speeds is pretty much redundant.
You can make amazing effects running at high sample rates and bit depths with something just a tiny fraction as ‘powerful’ as a general purpose CPU, since DSP chips are solely designed for those audio calculations. Designers also optimise the algorithms when they program for an embedded processor as they know the deployment platform inside-out, something which is harder to do when you have to write a plugin which needs to run well on the myriad of processors available in consumer general purpose computers. I highly doubt that the infinite reverb issue you have is down to limitations of the processor, and I bet (since you can have two reverbs at once in the MX) it would totally be possible to have just one of the algos be infinite on triggering the foot-switch while the 2nd would be available to be used on your live input signal giving you your desired effect. In this case I doubt the MX would even use much more compute than in normal 2 reverbs in series/parallel operation.
Came to reply this, and made sure someone else had before I did. A 2015 Macbook Pro might have 3x the processing power, but it's generally committed to far more processes.
Its a similar problem to the guy that does deep teardowns - he craps on Fractal because the Axe FX III has old affordable processors in a unit that's over $2k, while ignoring that they work fine and are stable/reliable. The Axe FX III is in rigs like Metallica and Dream Theater; the sum is far greater (and more valuable) than the parts.
Keep the pedal. Let Strymon know. They will likely add this to a FW update. Easy!
For me it sounds great, better than my Helix or Headrush built in reverbs and it works and looks great too. 2 reverbs with multiple routing options. Great ambient sounds. Just what I need and want. I don't care that there's extra presets that I don't need. I'll enjoy learning to use the infinite freeze switch over time. I don't need a third choice of reverb instead.
Fair enough!
I'll get it! Sounds fantastic!
In my case I see me using this also for ambient sounds that inspire my songwriting.
I thought I was gonna get it for the impulse response but to be honest, I think connvolution reverb makes only sense when doing it on a PC with full tweakability, quick loading in and stuff.
I mean if I allready have to load in a reference from a pc, why not do the verb on a pc with a more professional alogrithm (e.g.Reverence in cubase)
I would run 2 reverbs in series with infinite mode on 1 set to freeze and the other set to off. That should be the effect you’re going for.
I’ll give it a shot! But I wish I didn’t need a dual verb to do it
The Strymon cloudburst has the same options for freezing and infinite when you use a midi pedal with it or the strymon switch. I use another reverb (Free the tone) in combination with which gives me the flexibility wanted. Also not perfect but if you have a good midi switcher it can work quite well. Was thinking to buy the Strymon MX to solve this problem but apparently it won’t 🙁
@@IkeGuitar The ehx freeze is cool that you can create a similar effect with just 1 reverb, but dual reverbs means that you can combine different algos and make more complex sounds. That's where the extra processor power is going. I have the Old Blood Dark Light and it's the same how a freeze stops new signal from entering the reverb.
@@mbsgt112 It would solve it. Freezing a reverb is supposed to stop new signal from entering the reverb (unless you use the infinite mode, which basically just increases the decay time to infinity and probably cause runaway feedback). That is why you need 2 reverbs. 1 to freeze and 1 to play on top.
@@IkeGuitarsomeone just offered a solution to your problem and the solution isn’t good enough?
you know they can fix this with a future firmware update?
1. If it's dedicated on the processor it may not be possible.
2. I've had a Quad Cortex and I'm still waiting for plugin compatibility (not being burned again).
@@IkeGuitar i appreicate the honestly, i also had a quad cortex and got stung so im thankful as i was considering getting the new bigsky as i was already going to buy the old one.
i agree with that hence why i never got a qc and i wont buy any more plugins until i see them put support in for plugins. this is something i can almost guarantee they can do in a firmware update. it would have been absolutely stupid to leave that feature change off the table in a future update. They need reason to draw more people in. Called gas my man you know this
Will be fixed with an update....no biggie...
I don’t know….
I think they removed the swell option, that i loved.
Use dual reverbs, assign freeze to one, turn off infinite switch to the other. Voilà, reverb on solo over pad…
Interesting to watch. I understand the pedal can do two reverbs at once though - so does that mean you could create a reverb trial using the freeze function -and then just use the A or B switches to switch on another reverb and have that over the top instead of a dry signal? Because that is actually the way I would expect this to work.
Yes, you can theoretically do that. But my concern is the fact I don’t want to run two different reverbs even if one is frozen and one isn’t. Seems like a workaround and I have to setup a preset just for that one feature to work how I want it to.
Also, that’s a lot of tap dancing in live gig situation. Switch your bank, turn off reverb A, loop reverb B, turn off reverb B, turn on reverb A, and THEN you get to play over B.
@@IkeGuitar Thanks for the reply. I figured the way I would do it would be to have the reverb sound I want frozen on switch A and the reverb sound I want over the top assigned to switch B. As soon as I've pressed the hold function I assumed all I would have to do would be to press one foot switch. I thought this was how some people use the freeze function on reverb pedals that only have one reverb - but they have a second reverb pedal on their board. It's okay if you just want to improvise over one background sound - but I get that if you want to keep changing that sound during one song it will become a pain.
@@IkeGuitarso you’re complaining about nothing!
@@spaced4acelitrally
The original Big Sky has the freeze & infinite options on it too, but you have to acess it from the menu.
Oh and saying you only use a pedal if you get 80% of its function. Thant may be true for you but not most players. I’ve owned the big sky and timeline for 7 years and never used 80% of their function. Most multi effects users are also not using half the functionality of their units. The added functionality and future proofing is worth the upgrade
Well that’s why I said “I know this won’t be everyone but for me as a guitar player in my own personal journey” blah blah blah.
do you know any reverb pedals or software reverbs that process "infinit" loop in different way? when you do criticism please explain how it should be. technically i see only workaround for this issue - is a feedback amount, currently it'is 100% but dev's should set for example to 50% more or less but not to 100%
and in certain amount of time older data in buffer will be overwritten or how to rephrase it 'faded out'. it can be easily fixed by new firmware
Latch starts the loop. And then enters a pass through state where I can send more reverb input and it won’t add to the current loop.
The meris mercury x does it the correct way which is to freeze a loop and then let you play over it with reverb without adding to the loop and overloading it. And you can just unlatch and freeze a new trail when you want to. Most reverbs with infinite features do it that way or the first way he showed on this, with it basically just giving you a dry signal over a reverb pad.
pretexting complain but expose all specific things to convince everyone to buy and try... good move
Dam u bought it. Cool. I did I can't part with it is the big sky 2024! MX BABY!!!!
Enjoy!
@@IkeGuitar If u are a real influencer, you will announce in a week that its a game changer and you have rebought it
Oh man! That’s a plot twist!
I think a line selector switch would solve your simple dilemma
All you have to do is click the infinite switch on and off as you play like pressing a sustain pedal of a keyboard/piano
This demo is great! The infinite switch is a buzzkill but the unit is absolute ❤🔥🔥
Thanks, Justus!
I disagree with you. I just got an Mx. The infinite switch is a waste but the way the pedal runs with 2 reverbs completely interacting the third switch would be on an island only doing a preset function. I think they kept a 3 switch casing because the timeline Mx will use the same body and it’s cheaper for manufacturing to keep it constant. Also it’s 3 button could be changed with enough complaints and a firmware update
I don’t think processing can re-route the infinite function. And I don’t think the form factor is a cost saving measure because they did change the powder coat hue and added space for the panel so they’re not using old enclosures.
@@IkeGuitaryou missunderstood the part about cost saving. He/she mentions the fact that they will for sure use the same enclosure for Timeline MX, not that they're using old ones. As they have a platform for all 3 beasts, it is valid point that it will be used across whole line, especially that people like to use 2 or all 3 together which obviously looks nice when they have same enclosures.
Meris mercury X - nothing comes close.
Except Fractal, and Bigsky MX. Go IR.
Poly beebo is IR@@user-zv7lm8uk7h
I have the MercuryX and just bought the BSMX. They are certainly different. The MercuryX is essentially Lexicon 224 algos along with Meris’s own designed reverbs. It does sound good and with the added delay function, it has a large palate for creation. The only thing that I don’t like is with decay all the way down, the Lex Hall algo is still too long. This is not a problem with the room algo on it. The BigSky MX has that studio clarity that the original has, but even better now. The big takeaway for me is loading true stereo reverb IRs which requires four channels. The BigSky MX offers this with two stereo IR engines. This is the dual stereo reverb which can be a combo of any of its algorithms. I did find out it will load quad true stereo files, but it sums it incorrectly. In order for this to work, Strymon would need to recognize if a file is true stereo quad, then split it across the dual stereo reverb channels.
It’s good to see an honest take on this showing a different angle. For the price, seems like it’s over hyped. I prefer the third option for preset as well. At least the third switch should have had the option for the user to choose infinite or preset function to allow more flexibility (especially for the price that the unit costs!)
They should have created something unique instead of bigsky to big mx.
It’s a Big Sky not a Big Crybaby. If you wait they’ll probably release a firmware update to get a bank C
Big Strymon Boi in chat
It’s terrible that they don’t give you an option to switch the lame freeze switch back to C
And I play worship. Only like 2% of guitarist I know would actually use it
The removal of the C switch on the MX is a dealbreaker for me. I don't use midi, so I'm not able to access my small, medium, and large verbs on the fly with only two presets in a bank. Huge miss on their part, imo.
Are you Okay Ike? Worried that Strymon put out a hit on you....
Who are you?
@@IkeGuitar Ike are you okay... you have spoken against strymon.... they can be a ferocious bunch if offended...
Where is your big sky mx
I don’t think you understand context, maybe you just need a hall of fame…
Click bait , read the manual bro🤡
Clickbait, very low value for the time spent here. I won't spend one more minute on this channel. Oh, and that's firmware upgradable...
seems like your thousand dollar reverb kinda sucks.
$650
$675
@@IkeGuitar in my country (Canada) after tax closer to $1000.
Ouch
I snagged one. Worth the price tag when it could be the last reverb Ill ever need @user-vv7hb8ok2f