Madoka Magica Rebellion Is INSANE
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024
- I finally watched Madoka Magica Rebellion and it was insane!
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The male student in the front row is Nakazawa, and he's one of the few real humans in Homulilly's barrier, along with Mami, Kyoko, Kyosuke, Hitomi, Madoka's family, and their homeroom teacher. He's the student that always gets asked weird questions by said teacher, as a running gag. He appears and speaks in both the original series and Rebellion, and in other spin-offs and supplementary materials, such as the first drama CD and Magia Record. Apparently, he's considered noteworthy by Homura's psyche, likely because she find his hijinks with the teacher entertaining.
Oh ok that makes sense! Thanks for this comment I was really confused 😂
@@JCsReviews The Law of Cycles still exists and saves magical girls. Homura only took the piece that used to be Madoka.
even madoka's witch self, kriemhild gretchen is still alive as well lol
@@aiya5777 Huh, you mean, she appears in the movie? When? :0
@@leyvadira its revealed in the manga
that madoka's [witch version] has been with homura the whole time.
lol these two are just inseparable,
kriemhild gretchen knows the safest place in the universe is with homura
There is a real reason why Madoka (god) brings Bebe to Homura's labyrinth and that is because Nagisa (Bebe's real name) has a regret for killing Mami as she was almost conscious when she killed her as she mistook Mami's head for a cheese. This is complemented by Sayaka who as she herself says in the film only agreed to go with Madoka because she had a regret for leaving Kyoko behind.
Yeah, Nagisa lies a lot about her well being. She was abused as a kid.
@@reflectingPastChoices I know and that is why Nagisa loves Mami so much; while Nagisa suffers from lack of love (something she relates to cheese as it was the only thing that made her mother happy) Mami suffers from loneliness and both can overcome their problems if they are together. This is even more touching in another scenario in Magia Record where Nagisa travels to Kamihama under Madokami's supervision to encourage Mami to overcome the "trauma" of being under the Uwasa's control and hope that one day they can eat a cheesecake together (something we assume happens because of all the cheese they buy at the end of Rebellion)
If you look deeper into things based off the Magia Record event, she also was very rebellious against the Law of cycles. She likes Madoka but doesn't care for the Law of Cycles. The reason for this is Madoka herself was miserable while the Law of Cycles part of her kept things going. They are two separate entities in a sense, yet they are one, at least until Homura broke Madoka off. That's one reason why Nagisa was so happy at the very end, she had the same mental resistance as Sayaka but didn't confront Homura about it. She was free to do as she pleased now, and Madoka had a chance to relax a bit.
@@quantumfang2185 that's only your headcanon though
@@reflectingPastChoices well there is her actions and quote from Magia Record quest.
"Nagisa:
........................
... Hm-hm... well, for now.. I think the first thing to do should be to secure my freedom!
Pink Kyubey:
....?!
(Immediately uses her Magical Girl Weapon and blows up Pink Kyubey)
Nagisa:
Nothing personal, bud, but Nagisa's journey alongside the Surveillance Camera of Cycles ends here! The reason you sent me to Kamihama wasn't to unite this universe with the Law of Cycles. Quite the Opposite, I'm sure! For humans to live their lives in a more human way, the future must stay unknown. The Law of Cycles wanted the future to be a blank canvas -clean and undecided! Even if that future some day breaks the universe into a billion pieces, if you ask me, I wouldn't care one bit! I could turn against the Law of Cycles! Betray even God! That must be why it unconsciously chose me!
Melt, o cheese! Tremble, o universe!
Nagisa Momoe was sent to this land of Kamihama as an unprecdented trickster, to protect the humanity that dwells within the Law of Cycles! My Goal: Preventing this universe from combining with the Law of Cycles' Universe... and with all that decided, its time for some Kamihama sightseeing! Pa-Pa-Parmigiano Reggianooo!!"
The pink Kyubey was an Uwasa that an embodiment of the Law of Cycles. A separate entity than who Madoka was as a person.
When Homura was saying she would destroy the universe the “kids” in the back were throwing tomatoes at her. The tomatoes signifying bad acting or a bad performance. Hence she was lying!
NOT ME JUST COMMENTING THIS🤣💀
Also those clara dolls represent homura's emotions
The kids were also chanting “Gott ist tot” aka god is dead in German. Which corresponds with the ending of the movie of Homura “bringing death to” Madoka in her God-like form and trapping her in Homura’s world.
@@ayylmaoo2619 more specifically: every self-perceived trait that she hates.
I love how madoka magica really just add details that don't make sense but when it's explained it really gives the scene meaning and it even makes it better🔥🔥
14:06 Bebe became a witch in cannon at the hospital when her mom was dying her mom wanted to have one final special cheese cake with her daughter. Kyubey came then and offered Bebe a wish for anything in exchange of becoming a magical girl. Bebe then wished for the last special cheese cake that her mom and her once shared so they could share it one last time. They eat the cheese cake and her mom dies. Only once her mom dies does Kyubey bring up the fact that she could have wished for her mom to be cured and apparently this broke Bebe and she became a witch on the spot which was why she was so powerful at the hospital.
Is there any source for this or you are its just your story?
@@rezaghhp1780 It's from the Madoka Magic game Magia record. You can read the story by looking up: Magia Record Story Nagisa Momoe's Wish Comes True. At least that's where I learned of Nagisa/Bebe's origins.
@@rezaghhp1780 the story about how nagisa became a witch is shown in the game magia record, but what Yadashi said is what we thought before the event came out, if you wanna know the event is "Nagisa's Wish Was Granted" Nagisa's mom has an illness and feels abandoned, Nagisa tells her mom that she can cure her with a wish, but her mom tells her to kill everyone, but Nagisa didn't want to so she wished for a cheesecake. A magical girl kills Nagisa's mom and Nagisa just stands there, then she became a witch in a day or so. Sadge
It truly is extremely sad
@@IBernkasteI yes u right 👍👍
5:08 I think Homura ACTUALLY shot herself here. You can see it go through her head. But remember: the SOUL GEM is the magical girl, not the body. It wouldn't effect a magical girl if their body was damaged, only their soul gem. This is still a thing even in Homura's dream because Homura knows this. (She instantly went to go get Sayaka's soul gem when Madoka threw it, so that's something we can infer) (also, Mami's soul gem was on her head.😐) I love this series so much, all the little details in it. I could talk for hours about all the things I found through the numerous times I've rewatched the movie. I was thinking about this scene in particular for a while trying to figure out what was happening.
edit: forgot to mention! mami would NOT have known this, Kyubey even said so
Oh my God. I never thought about it... why did Mami die if her soul gem wasn't damaged? And in one comment you made me think of this question and gave the answer. Of course they thought of all this... perfect writing, what else can we say
@@robertolanzone By saying why did Mami die, you mean when she was killed by charlotte?
Her head was bitten off,
and where is her soulgem?
*on her head*
@@kredensracing Yeah I know, the comment said that: I mentioned that the comment made me think of the question and the answer at the same time, making me appreciate this show and movie even more 😁
@@robertolanzone oh I understand, pardon me lol
@@kredensracing No worries, I appreciate the willingness to answer lol 🙏
I feel like people really misread the "dancing on Kyubey's corpse" scene. That kind of eye distortion is usually reserved for an emotion like madness, hatred or anger. Which implies she implanted some emotion into this being that was touting itself as being immune to emotions. Some people say it is fear, but I don't think that's accurate either.
To expand upon this, in the original Anime and to a lesser extent in the manga spin-offs, Kyubey doesn't say his race are "immune" to emotions, rather that to them, emotions are basically mental illness. Meaning that what Homura did to the incubators basically traumatized them so badly it *broke* something in him.
Honestly with whatever hyper advanced tech that race has that basically mimics/harnesses magic, a mentally ill, traumatized Kyubey is kind of fuckin terrifying
@@underwater1997 THIS
@@underwater1997 well she said it herself. In order to prevent witches or wraiths or whatever from appearing, she's basically pouring all of the curses in the universe into the Incubators, essentially letting them feel every single negative emotions experienced by the human race all at once all the time.
i see it as her taking all of the despair that he forced on others. and forcing him to feel it in their place
she didnt make him feel fear
she taught him to feel guilt
I think it’s despair
As a side note about Mami creating a clone of herself, Mami’s actual magical ability is not guns. It’s ribbons.
Essentially, so long as she knows the makeup of an object and how it functions, she can create a replica of it. Every weapon she creates is made out of ribbons, even the bullets. Mami uses muskets because those are the easiest guns to construct.
how do you know that?
@@resiknoiro7506 The series had a PSP game that came out around 2012 that helped further expand the universe and information about the characters. In it, it's revealed Mami’s wish was to ‘connect to life’, which is where her ribbon ability comes from. Since ribbons weren't offensive and she was scared to get too up close and personal with witches, she looked into creating a long-range weapon. She decided on muskets.
It's also confirmed that unlike other magical girls in the series, who don't have attack names, Mami come up with her own. She created names like ‘Tiro Finale’ to give herself confidence and disconnect herself from the fact that she could die. She canonically tries to emulate actual magical girl animes to feel safe.
@@angellightsup1 wow this is actually really cool info I was just thinking the other day about their special abilities and I couldn’t figure out what Mami’s for shit
We see a snippet of it in the original show, when she gives Sayaka a magical baseball bat
So, she's basically Emiya Shirou?
Homura still talks about Wraiths in her new world and Wraiths only exist if Witches don't. If Witches don't exist magical girls are still being saved from their despair in one way or another so she probably didn't really screw the other magical girls either.
Only in her new universe and excluding the (game version) of the magia record universe. The rest are SOL unfortunately 😔
@@momotama2855 ...what?
@@TempoLOOKING yah tbh she just screwed over infinite amounts of other magical girls when she sealed madoka to her new universe so yah. Homura's not playing nice with anyone else other than madoka. The rest can witch out for all she cares just as long as madoka is safe
@@momotama2855excuse me what?
@@First-to-lastAccording to Magia Record, Madokami's power extends not only across time but across actual alternate universes. Not like "alternate loops"- actual alternate universes. Magia Record, at least the game, is one of those- a divergence occurred a few loops in, and the Homura from that universe never became the Homura in the series. Main series Homura also briefly glimpsed it and said she'd never witnessed these events or even been to the game's location, Kamihama City. At least as of the end of the game's first Arc, with Walpurgisnacht destroyed and Madoka alive it's not clear whether that Homura will ever need to loop back again.
Also Madokami can't affect that universe on account of a wish trying to subvert the entire Magical Girl->Witch pipeline blocking her from affecting it in any significant way, meaning Witches still happen anywhere that isn't protected by the power of the Witch spawned from that wish (in which case the impurities are purged by bursting out in a Witch-like form, wrecking shit, and disappearing).
I love the ending of Rebellion because Homura is dancing the moves that all the other girls were dancing in the opening while she was depressed. And the melancholy of it all... How tired Homura is but still happy to have some peace, for the time being.
I am so excited for the next movie.
That's a great catch. I've watched Rebellion like 30‐40 times and never realized that!
Next movie??
@@hassassinator8858 a trailer for the the new supposed movie was released 1 year ago.
@@thehollynugget343 which is called what?
@@DomBelserion walpurgisnacht rising, they also have it on the official website
I really like Rebellion because I feel like it really balances the world that had been created. Madokami is the ultimate selfless person, and by contrast Devil Homura is the ultimate selfish person. It just makes sense to have that kind of push and pull
My exact thoughts. Rebellion complements the original movie so well in so many ways.
Yuji and Sukuna nearly a decade before JJK even existed, that's crazy. 😂
One minor correction: you said Homura stole part of Madoka's power in order to rewrite the world. That is not the case. Because of Homura's wish, she ALWAYS has to have more power than Madoka because she has to be able to save Madoka, even from herself.
I had another issue, but someone else already mentioned it: that the Law of Cycles is still going, it's just no longer personified as Madoka.
True, the Law of Cycle is still going, and it raises the question: what was Sayaka talking about when she confronted Homura? Why did Homura herself say that she was "evil" and that she dirupted the world order for her own desire? Because to recap:
- the main accomplishment of Madoka, the salvation of all magical girls, is still preserved
- PLUS, Madoka gets to live with the people she loves and be remembered by everyone, not having to sacrifice herself
- PLUS, Sayaka, Mami and Kyōko are somehow brought back to life and get to live again
I really struggle to understand why exactly was Madoka's sacrifice necessary and how did Homura do anything evil at all.
@@robertolanzone What Homura did that was "evil" was go against the law laid down by Madoka, the divine being. It also seems possible that she never meant to rewrite the universe and take over, and now feels somewhat bad about it. Ultimately, it seems she's just feeling very emo about the whole thing.
@@Kaylakaze what law?
there's no law to begin with,
even if there was one
homura didnt break any law,
the law of cycle is still active
doing its job saving magical girls
fulfilling madoka's wish
homura only "stole" the part thats used to be human madoka, and
beat the shitt out of kyubeyy
the evil demon cat lol
its actually win win solution for everyone lol
even, mami sayaka kyoko also get the happy ending
@@Kaylakaze I get that, but what part did she go "against" exactly? That's what baffles me.
From my understanding, Madoka wished to save all the magical girls and, in order to make this wish come true, she was needed as a divine being to "make it work", so to speak. Somehow Homura made it so the Law is still in effect while Madoka returned to a normal life with the people she loves... I can't quite comprehend what's wrong or "against the Law" about all this 🤔 I'd appreciate if anyone could explain it to me, maybe I'm missing something obvious, idk
Madoka obsessed person here! So something to note during Homura and Sayakas second confrontation in the final act is that eventually Homura is hit by a tomato from the Clara dolls, and in their description it’s noted they throw tomato’s when people are lying, to shame them. We can use this either as fodder for the entire conversation being a bluff on Homura’s side, or the specific comment she makes in stating that if Sayaka was rude to Homura it might make madoka hate her.
Also Bebe , aka Charlotte , was the most popular witch in the fandom before Rebellion was even announced and her magical girl form revealed, the amount of fan art she had was numerous especially of her "doll form", so it made sense to include her in this project due to fandom appeal.
I'm not fully sure if Homura actually destroyed the Law of Cycles in functionality, because as she said she took only a "sliver" of it that was Madoka. In theory, even without her at the helm, the wish should be performing as it should be in an automated fashion because she still says there are "wraiths" in the world. If the Law of Cycles was undone in totality, then there would be no wraiths since those overwrote the existence of witches by Madoka's wish.
So she wrangled the Incubator species, revived her dead friends, and rewrote a world in which they could all be happy with relatively minimal consequences. Technically speaking, she *actually* did nothing wrong.
It is the 10th year of Rebellion. The story continues in Walpurgisnacht Rising after Rebellion. Hope we get more news about the sequal this year.
A thing I noticed when watching the movie is how Homura's voice changes when she starts to realize something is wrong. When she first appears she sounds so innocent, pure, and almost like Madoka, and by the time she fights Mami she's back to having here serious Homura voice. Such a cool detail.
I think One of the best thing about this movie is the fact that kyubey learned about how the previous system works more efficiently from homura in the final episode of PMMM, and decide to revive it by trying to control madoka, hence this movie. It is a very logical continuation. To Kyubey, "If you will have a better system to produce energy, why not using it".
Definitely one of my favorite series I hope the sequel matches what came before there seems to be a trend in movies not being as good anymore
I hope the sequel is good too!
Well I hope that trend won't interfere with urobuchi
I think that trend happens qhen there is no passion involved and time restraints. They had over 10 years in the making for this movie , so I dont think the latter would be an issue, and I trust the team for the passion to be still alive!
"Or maybe this is a main character I forgot about for some reason?"
*OH NO HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO REMEMBER! THE PLAN! IT'S ALL FALLING APART!*
Rebellion added everything together
I also like how Homura and madoka were potrayed as a god and a devil
like a hero and a villian
because hero will save the world even if it means sacrifing you (madoka saved all the magical girls knowing that would upset homura but still did it because she wanted to save)
and how villians can sacrifice world to save you (Homura sacrifed all the other magical girls to save madoka)
Madoka told Homura she can see all possible futures when she first transformed into the Law of Cycles and that since miracles were possible, she and Homura would certainly meet again, so does that mean she knew she would meet Homura again in Rebellion, and that Homura would choose to become a demon to save her yet she did nothing to prevent this? It makes me wonder what Madoka's endgame goal is then if she truly knows everything that is going to play out ahead of time.
it's simple
madoka regretted to be a magical girl, its not the first time either
she once begged homura to stop the stupid her from getting tricked by kyubeyy,
she admitted that she's stupid and she didn't want to be a magical girl
also,
madoka (the law of cycle) failed to kill her witch counterpart (kriemhild gretchen)
so
her wish didnt really get fulfilled,
her witch self still threatens the universe
so madoka is like,
"homuuraaaa~ I messed up again, do something~~"
Homura's wish was to be the one protecting madoka, so she gets a pass when it comes to madokami's Fate seeing.
Rather than Bebe having a human form it was Nagisa using her witch form as a cover while Homura was still piecing things together
the girls that were taken by the law of cycles (Madoka) are able to co-exist and utilize their witch powers, something we see Sayaka do multiple times
Nagisa just used it differently
Also, if you've ever seen the side story game Magia Record, it's revealed that Nagisa became a witch almost immediately upon becoming a magical girl because her wish for a cheesecake was rooted in malicious intent to specifically NOT save her mother from illness because she didn't love Nagisa
the girl had despair from the onset like damn
Its the 10th year of Rebellion. The story continues in Walpurgisnacht Rising after Rebellion. Hopefully this year we see more information and a new trailer for the sequel.
I hope so too
I get the feeling that Walpurgisnacht Rising is going to be traumatic, i.e. Homura and Madoka will become enemies (as Homura predicted at the end of Rebellion).
@@dieterdelange9488 The new sequel is next year in 2025. So perhaps this year's Aniplex Online Fest will give us more news about the new movie.
I think a reason why the conversation on the boat between Homura and Madoka went the way it did is because this Madoka *IS* also affected by Homura’s Labyrinth.
This isn’t Madoka’s true feelings. It’s Homura’s twisted version of her feelings. No matter what, Madoka always made the sacrifice without regrets. Homura could not accept the fact that she could not do anything to stop it before she turned into the Cycles
This. Exactly my reasoning too
Madoka has regrets. In the ending of the series we see Madoka herself destroy her own Witch form, and magical girls turn into witches when they come to regret their wish
@@krilliam96 it’s not always when they regret their wish, it just when they become sad and lose all hope.
No, I think it is Madoka's true feelings. She admitted she is weak-willed to leave her friends behind. And that's why her ultimate sacrifice in the Madoka series is so more meaningful, because she is doing it to save her friends and others because there is no other solution at that time. But she knew it will break her friends' heart, and her own too.
And based on her wish, she will be not an omnipotent goddess, because she have a limited power and only can destroy her own witch and purify the soul gems. Even if she said the soul of the dead magical girls will be together with her at 'heaven', I doubt that will happen soon, she still need to do those job which can take millennium of years or at the end of heat death of universe. And that will be a lonely, arduous journey for a young girls at heart.
And I am not believing that Kyubey's explanation of magical girl creation, why would human despair is needed for preventing entropy at the first place? And it's not human is the only emotional, civilized being on the whole universe, isn't it? Because the space-time is expanding fast, no matter how much energy you are throwing at universe, it just only slowing the inevitable of heat death of universe, and can't reverse it. I believe Kyubey is just using the power it collected to travel in the universe and expand their control, their empire. Ultimately, Kyubey is the one who need to be dealt with at the first place.
@@synnell88 Actually magical girls can become witches if they use enough energy (for example by the attack or healing) to contaminate their soul games. They don't need to loose hope, get depressed etc., we can see it in timelines 2 and 3 (Madoka became a witch because she used too much energy during the fight with Walpurgisnacht). So I thing that her witch form could appear because she used too much energy in attack which destroyed all the witches in past, current and future in all timelines ever existing. So naturally Madoka's witch form also needed to be destroyed by her. I thing that this have happen in one single moment and haven't took Godoka more than few seconds, so she could spend eternity with other magical girls in "heaven" (in which time does not exist). During their las talk in the timeline 5 Madoka and Homura are in a place outside of time and space, somewhere and nowhere at the same time. And then Madoka said, that she had seen all the effort made by Homura, and that now she sees everything and is present (just like God) in every moment of a past, future and present. And also she said that she always will be with her family and friends, so she is not alone and does not regret her wish. And because of all of that I also thing that Madoka's words in Homulily labyrinth are affected by Homura's perception of the reality and her willingness to justify her actions.
btw sorry for my English (especially grammar), it's not my first language and I'm always afraid that I will make mistakes etc., so I don't like to write in it x"D Hope everything that I wanted to write is clear
I have a theory about the soul gems, soul gems when they are about to break, their transformation is fully dependent on an extreme human emotion, the easiest of which are the sad emotions (despair, depression, sadness), but in extreme cases like in Homura when she felt an emotion much greater then despair, love, it completely changed her transformation from a witch to something completely different. An embodiment of that emotion from her prospective.
If this theory is correct, then technically if a Kyubey messed up and accidentally gives the wrong person power, they could theoretically feel hatred and anger much greater then despair they could become something else and not a witch
I can imagine the wraiths being born from anger(or wrath). You could take inspiration from Inside Out & MLP:FIM and have a chart of different forms created by the paths one could take based on their strongest emotion at the time of transformation.
Now I wanna know what a magical girl turns into if they feel intense joy at the time of transformation
That wasn't love at that point, but obsession.
@@jeishiikanzaki No difference. there are different types of love and homuras is the culmination of ALL of them
Aftercredits: not only she is dancing over Qb's wounded and battered body, not only the moon is sliced in half. The hill that Homura sat with Madoka is sliced in half with Madoka's half missing. And then Homura falls down that hill in what looks like suicide jump
It’s symbolic of Homura’a self loathing and loneliness. She proclaims that Madoka’s happiness is her happiness, despite how oblivious it makes Madoka to Homura’s intentions and feelings. To be “close” in proximity to the one you love, yet unable to be with them in a normal, happy way - that’s ultimate loneliness. Deep down, I’m positive she craves a world where the two can mutually coexist in innocent love and bliss, but that is simply impossible now. In her own eyes, Homura has taken on the burden that Madoka herself once shouldered as God/LoC - self-sacrifice for the good of the ones you love (altho in Homura’s case it’s primarily Madoka), but at the expense of your own true happiness. The ultimate isolation - she probably hates herself for it, but this is the path she’s chosen. The “suicide” isn’t real, as she can’t die - but it’s probably the closest thing to punishment she can inflict upon herself as the “demon” who destroyed the universe’s order.
also homura having the power to do this makes sense since her wish specifically was “the power to save madoka” and after madoka tried to make homura feel better with the “yeah i would never sacrifice myself, stop crying”. homura now thinks that this is only way to save madoka and so she has the power to do it
Also worth noting is when Homura is talking to Sayaka in the end she says that she didn't mean to bring back Sayaka and Bebe but when she tore Madoka from the law of cycles they somehow came with her.
I was lucky enough to be in Japan when this movies aired. I remember going to the Toho theatre in Yokohama with a friend and seeing it. I remember there were some Japanese fans in front of us excited to see it. I remember walking out of the theater in a daze with all that happened and the same group of Japanese fans asking "Yo, what the hell." I remember saying in my bad Japanese at the time: "I know right?" Good times.
Tbh I read the end credits as Homura dancing around a Kyubey that is currently trembling in agony and fear since Incubators are now the ones harboring the negative emotions of Magical girls.
I think a lot of people disliked rebellion when it came out because the anime wrapped up nicely on its own, but now that its been out for a while, along with all the spinoffs and everything, I think people are more open to the idea of continuing the main story. I think rebellion does a great job of making room for more madoka, so I am really excited for the next movie.
2:29 no Homura actually brought that random dude into her labyrinth (probably since the teacher always called on him so he was recognizable). When they get out of the labyrinth and are at the scene where Madoka tries to take Homura away, you can see him in the distance next to the other minor characters (well, if I remember correctly)
homura clearly shipped him with the teacher
Just like me wishing that one stupid guy to come back to class to watch him argue with the Art teacher. It made the whole year, man.
Mami is not part of the law of cycles yet since in the last timeline reset after Godoka, Bebe was saved before she had the chance to kill Mami.
We know Madoka saves all the magical girls of all timelines thanks to Magia Record, so Madoka has saved both Mami and Bebe enough times to know how well they'd get along as friends together. This is why she brought Bebe in with her, to comfort Mami who got trapped by Homura, just like she brought Sayaka in to comfort Kyoko during this traumatic transformation they had to experience (and may have only survived if it was) together.
Love your Madoka vids! Keep it up!!!
This movie was announced shortly after I finished the Madoka series and saw after the credits when Homura's black witch wings protruded out and I was like, "Wait, what? It's not over? What was that!"
Holy crap, I'm so glad I finally got to see a review where someone actually acknowledges and points out that Madoka's wish at the end of the series and the inner thoughts/feelings she expressed in the flower field scene aren't mutually exclusive! Maybe I've just been really unlucky, but for some reason, I haven't come across any other discussions or reviews that make this connection. Maybe I'm just being weirdly dramatic, but it's really awesome to see this here.
Rebellion plot line really relies on the wraith arc manga to make sense of time setting and how Homura was able to rewrite memories inside her labyrinth.
She use her Memory Magic and her own curse
Basically Memory Magic is really powerful almost same as Minami Rena(Magia Record)'s Magic, her magic is to disguise as someone and can copy their abilities..
Which is very dangerous and powerful power, but the negative side of Rena's magic is limited, copy some magic is also will absorb her magic too much...
While Homura can MESSED UP THINGS with her Memory Magic. I mean if you use your imaginationif you have Memory Magic, you can trick yourself that "wow isn't that i have this power?" and you can trick the world itself
Uhh oops.. i talk too much
Sorry for my grammar..
Dunno, I haven't read the manga and the movie made sense to me.
it's the first time in these almost 8 years that I've seen someone having the same views about the movie that I do, thank you
You’re welcome!
I like to think of it as Madoka was not turning back into her god self. She was reuniting with her god self. Homora didn't want to reverse Madoka's sacrifice, she wanted to take part of the burden off of her. So Madokami is still out there doing her cleansing thing.
I interpret the final acene as Homura admitting that eventually Madoka will remember her god self and want to return to it. On that day, she and Madoka will take on the roles of the Devil and God, each serving as the balance to each other. But for now, she eants to stay with Madoka as long as she can, enjoying being able to be with her, even if just for a few more years.
It'll be interesting to see if the new sequel plays out that way, or if Madoka comes up with yet another solution and remakes the universe yet again.
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Thank you that means a lot!
Sounds like Homura is setting up a temporal paradox. If Madoka's removal from the Law of Cycles means magical girls aren't saved, then the newly restored Madoka will go back to being a magical girl, making the same wish she did the first time, leading to Homura going back to being on the verge of a witch to lure Madoka back, leading to magical girls not being saved, leading to....
Betting the sequel will end up, somehow, with a direct conflict between Deity Madoka and Demon Homura.
I like a lot that you watched the most of the scenarios, Madoka Magica really plays a lot with those visuals to the point of making a GIANT theatre that covers the hole screen where every little detail matter
Is amazing
I loved this movie so much, I was so confused at first, which I honestly liked. Also Homura is SO sapphic yearning
"Parmigiano-Reggiano which is a type of cheese"
This is the lore i came here for
It’s the lore we needed
I truly wish for a sequel. I wanna see how the whole story plays out.
It's coming.
If you read some of the manga specifically following homura’s adventure in a previous time line it really makes it so much more sad, but also beautiful. This anime is one of the reasons I fell in love with inevitability
Bebe was revealed to be a girl named Nagisa Momoe in Magia Record - she lived with her mother, who had been abandoned by Nagisa's father and who was sick with a terminal illness. Nagisa didn't like cheese at all and was going to use her wish for her mother to be healed but her mother's fear of abandonment scorned her wish so Nagisa wished for the yummiest cheesecake in the world instead. It's believed that Nagisa's regret that led to her becoming Charlotte was not using her wish to save her mother
WALPURGISNACHT RISING IS HAVING IT'S PREMIER THIS YEAR AND OH MY DOES IT SEEM EXCITING
So hyped!!
@@JCsReviews
It's like:
Series ended with bittersweetness
Rebellion ended in black hole
And WalpurgisNacht Rising Is a decade late
I love the original series Madoka Magica, it's a tragic tale of wishing something deeply and never getting it. Be it to save the one you love the most from sacrificing herself, saving yourself, make your dad happy, fixing someone unhealthy or saving the whole galaxy and every magic girl in existence, that ever existed and will ever exist.
In the end, only someone from the entire series gets what she wants, but in an ironic way, also means the end of her existence in human form. I always felt something is missing from the original ending, even if it's beautiful and puts a ribbon to all the plot threads.
Rebellion is exactly what the original ending missed, and I consider it the best part of the complete Madoka Magica, because it builds upon everything and goes wilder than we can ever imagine. The character that resetted time for an almost infinite amount of times, making her close friend a God finally gets her share of a happy ending. All by doing another almost infinite loop of timelines inside her own Witch realm and making her strong enough to challenge God itself.
The moment I realized that she's the witch in Rebellion was shocking, and it made perfect sense at the same time. She didn't break the mechanism that saves magic girls from becoming witches, she just rewrote it without Madoka's personality.
This is why I don't believe Homura is a villain, but more of an anti-hero, a dark knight that makes what it's necessary to save her loved one. She won't destroy the universe, we shouldn't forget having Madoka happy alongside her is the reason of her existence, she won't kill Madoka. She just lied, like she always did in the main series, to manipulate people and achieve her plans.
I think Homura will find a way to truly break the all cycle of despair and end the existence of Kyubeys, but at the same time still maintain the energy in the universe. She is the true protagonist of the whole series and I feel this is the direction the author Gen Urobuchi planned.
He is not knows for happy ending, but bitter-sweet tragedy ones, so some sacrifices will exist. If he ever works on the final movie in the series with Studio Shaft, I am sure we will love it as much as we love the main series and Rebellion.
5:18 Homura actually _did_ shoot herself there. She just got better because magical girls don’t need meat as much.
I loved, loved the movie. It’s one of those things I wish I could forget and get to experience fresh again. The twists were totally unexpected yet they made sense and were earned. I can not wait until the sequel. Even the little teaser released forever ago was so cool.
It takes you re-thinking it to realize. Homura didn’t selfishly kill the world for madoka. She selflessly saved Madoka and took a similar yet different role as the warden to keep the world afloat
2:26 it actually wasnt an error. In the end of the movie where the teacher, madoka's family and Kyosukeare all asleep after Homura was saved, you can clearly see him again lying down facing opposite from the camera. As for what his significance is, i have no idea but it wasnt an error
Aint kyousuke the dude that sayaka died for? The sick violinist
@@StarKnight70 yeah but the guy I’m talking about is aside from Kyosuke
This series should introduce more alien characters besides Kyuubei. This would really round out the story by emphasizing why magical girls were important in the first place
I love that there are moments where she asks Mami to “turn into cheese”, which means she loves her transformation. Which also makes sense why she ate Mami, because her bright yellow color scheme reminded Charlotte/Bebe of cheese.
Man this anime was one of the only ones I revisited because I remembered how much energy I got from experiencing it. Didn’t even know there was a movie
Dude, crushed this video. Longer form stuff from you is fantastic, been ripping through your channel for the last couple hours. You have great content, keep up the excellent work ser
It’s comments like this that make me glad to have made these videos, thank you!
Nagisa's (Aka Charlotte, Ake Bebe) backstory is actually super sad. Here's the gist below.
Here are some details on Nagisa’s backstory.
She lives alone since her dad left her and her mom and the latter is hospitalized. Kyubey constantly pesters her to make a contract but Nagisa refuses and questions his motives. She doesn’t like cheese that much, she buys cheese for her mom. On her way home she’s attacked by a familiar but is saved by Yu, an amnesiac magical girl. Kyubey says she kills people on her perception of who is good or bad. Nagisa does consider wishing for her mom to get better but thinks she should ask her first.
Nagisa wants her mom to know it was her who made the wish so she will like her again, making her wish a selfish wish. She tells her mom about the wish but she’s too distraught over her father abandoning them and thinks Nagisa is pretending to care about her. Instead she tells Nagisa to wish for everyone to die because she doesn’t care about anything anymore, Nagisa included. Nagisa runs off where Kyubey is and says that she wishes for the yummiest cheesecake based on her mom’s tastes, apparently out of spite. Later, she ends up caught in a witch barrier but is saved by Yu again. After regaining consciousness, she realizes her mom is in danger because she remembers that the other day Yu said she was after a bad Momoe. She arrives too late for Yu has already killed her. Yu bids her farewell and says everything should be right now that she is dead. As she dies, Nagisa’s mom pleads for her to call the doctor but she refuses with this being the first and last time she’s disobeyed her mom. After the end, its implied she became a witch sometime later.
That's genuinely fucking sad wow...
Is it in the manga?
@@datavalisofficial8730 Mobile game, Magia Record
Nagisa didn't actually get the chance to tell her mom about her wish. Her mom started yelling at her about how she hate nagisa before she was able to. The reason she wished for cheesecake instead is because her reasoning for wish to heal her mom was so that her mom would love her, which she realized would never happen. I think another key detail is that nagisa doesn't actually like cheese, she just associates it with her mothers love. That makes her line about wanting to taste cheese again even more sad, since all she wanted was actually love.
@@misonokarin Yes, I think cheese is generally symbolic for her mother or her mother's love. It makes her song, which repeatedly chants "Cheese, cheese, I want the cheese. Cheese, cheese, where is the cheese?" about a little girl asking for her mother.
Edit: Adding up: Mami is referred to as "the cheese" in the Cake song, and, in spanish "bebé" means baby and "mami" means mommy.
The thing that makes Homura a villain really is that despite what she says; she only really seems to love the idea of Madoka. Not the person. Madoka's choice to sacrifice herself is taken away, and she doesn't get a say in her new life or even what memories she gets to keep. So it can't really be said that Homura loves Madoka since there isn't anything of Madoka in what she's created besides her physical form.
I think Homura calling herself evil is more her saying she's Chaos to Madoka's Order. She's the opposite of Ultimate Madoka was.
So if Madoka was Order, Law, and Stability, Homura is now Chaos, Desire, and Instability.
There are theories that claim Madoka could end up corrupted, kinda like Homura did.
But the question is, what could corrupt her ? We know she takes all of that despair into herself, and the "Wraith Arc" proves to us she's not unaffected by it.
Maybe... Maybe she gets corrupted by finding the one Magical Girl that can not be redeemed alongside Homura ? No, it can't be that alone.
oh how i envy you!
to not be jaded and be able to see this as a happy ending or think this franchise could end in something other than tragedy...
Homura is the true essence of love.
*limerence
Its very impoortant to mention that the Law of Cycles is still in place!! when Sayaka said that to Homura she didn't know that and just assumed it went away because Madoka was no longer "it", but Homura says that she only took the part of the Law of Cycles that's Madoka, so the power is still intact and magical girls are still being saved. I truly think this is a happy ending for everyone except Homura since she's still playing the part of a villain. The familiars that appear in the ending still are called Clara Dolls and each one represents an emotion Homura is feeling that she often doesn't show, so they're very important and help figure out what she really feels. When Homura is saying all that "I am evil" and putting up an evil act in front of Sayaka in the ending, the dolls are throwing tomatoes at her, because she is acting
just watched the original series and rebellion this week and i absolutely loved them
hope the 4th movie doesn't disappoint!
Found your channel from your other Madoka video as I’m sure others have. I’ve been binging since. Your quality both video and audio are fantastic brother. Keep it up. I really think your channel will take off.
Thank you!
Ah so that’s why we’re getting another movie.
In order to be saved, someone must realize they are worthy to accept the extended hand?
I was afraid of this movie because every single reviewer shat on it hard or at best said it was not as bad as others made it out to be. But no positive voices were present. Than I watched it. On my first rodeo it was everything you proposed in this video essay. I didn't found it hard to process but the end gave me such a shock. Ever since I'm waiting with bated breath for the sequel. I simply love this anime.
everyone wants a happy ending
@@aiya5777 I don't really see how they can deliver us one. Hope they give us the same quality with their signature balance of despair and hope. Few can manage it to this degree, maybe Made in Abyss and Girls' Last Tour.
@@aiya5777 I don't. I wouldn't mind if the series ended with Rebellion if it wasn't for all the loose ends they added along with it.
@@xelith6157 the anime tv ending isnt exactly happy end either,
it ended with homura who's started to think she's delusional lol also,
with ominous black wings in the background
Next sequel is coming 🎉🎉🎉
I 100% agree about the flower field scene with a big *
The version of Madoka there has lost her memories and is being influenced by the Witch's Labrynth. So what she says are not her honest feelings perse.
The thing about the scene where Madoka tells Homura that she would never leave her friends is that the Madoka in this scene is just Homura's projection of Madoka within the labyrinth telling Homura what she wants to hear. It's a lie, it's not how the real Madoka feels (though Homura doesn't realize this). As such, Homura's decision to rip Madoka out of godhood is based on that lie. She thinks she's doing it for Madoka's sake when in reality she's doing it for herself.
This is just my interpretation, there's a lot in this movie that is up to speculation.
Your interpretation was wrong I'm afraid.
The fact that Madoka in that scene doesn't represent Godoka, but who Madoka was before she made her wish is the whole point. It's quite clear that leaving her life behind and becoming a concept would pain her deeply (it's not like she wished for that in the first place), but since she was the only one with the power to do so, she felt responsible for the salvation of magical girls and acted accordingly. Homura just felt she deserved better than that. And we know for certain that this version of Madoka wasn't just a projection since Kyubey directly states to Homura that this was in fact the real Madoka.
The flower field scene even concluded with Homura assuring Madoka that she is in fact strong and brave enough to make tough decisions, so I'm lead to believe that Homura's more self-aware than you're giving her credit for.
Homura: "You should know that even when you know how much it would hurt you, you do have the courage to make that hard decision. When you learn that there is only something you can do, you're far kinder and stronger than you know. Trust me, I know this."
The Madoka In the series timeline is just one of the many Madokas Homura's seen develop her way into oblivion. Ultimately, Homura's wish of being "strong enough to protect Madoka" had to be thrown out the window in episode 12. Even in Rebellion, Homura herself said that whoever created the labyrinth was disregarding Madoka's sacrifice. Even after she became a witch, she was willing to live amongst curses for eternity just to protect Madoka and the LoC. She understands the weight of her actions more than anyone.
@@NRobbi42 I stopped reading after "your interpretation was wrong." It's an interpretation, there is no right or wrong answer. Don't be patronizing.
@@hentaimomoko4977 based on what evidence that
the madoka within the labyrinth is akin to homura's projection?
I dont remember homura influencing her in any way,
we can see how this madoka doesn't break her character either (she's still in character)
exactly the same as the one in real world
@@hentaimomoko4977 Maybe if you actually read my comment, you'd know that there's evidence that counters your assertion that Madoka was simply a projection of Homura's subconscious which there's literally no evidence of.
Your entire "interpretation" isn't built off anything concrete. Just vibes.
For me, madoka saying she's a coward and couldn't was a big smoking gun that homura made homura realise she's a witch. Homura knows how strong and caring madoka is and how easily she would sacrifice herself for the universe
if you can read the witch runes. everything is spoiled from the beginning 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
8:09 What’s even more interesting is that watching the show and movie back to back Madoka says she’s ok “because she can see everyone” and how happy she is to finally know how true a friend Homura is because she can see all her sacrifices and care. In the movie she specifically states she could “never go so far away that she could never see anyone again” NOT “somewhere so far away no one could ever see her”. It’s such a tiny detail but it makes both things true: both this movie conversation AND the acceptance Madoka has with her actual decision.
Update: THERES A SECOND MOVIE COMING OUT SOON😆
I kind of think that Mami's ribbon clone was perhaps a subconscious influence from how she originally lost to Bebe taking the opponent off guard by letting them think you landed a finishing blow on a clone body. I'd like to think that Mami had substituted herself when Homura out the gun to her head because she was calling her bluff
Apparently there is a sequel coming soon! It called Walpurgisnacht Rising. There are also side stories and another show called magica record.
There is a manga that explains what happens after the main time line and before rebellion. Great read
The wraith arc?
Good video but there are some things:
1-Sayaka- If you watch the outright WORST person to deal with Homura is her as THEY NEVER GET ALONG. They are polar opposites: Sayaka is emotional, whimsical and childish while while Homura is logical, focused and with the jaded mind of an adult.
I very much disagree that Homura wouldn’t believe being told she was the witch as she reacts to facts and she would want all the information she could get to make sense of the matter maybe Sayaka thought it would have been the case which brings back that Sayaka’s childishness makes her extremely presumptuous(this scene is basically a reversal to Homura offering a grief seed to her that Sayaka has a tantrum over and tosses accusations and to that Homura is very Frank that YES she doesn’t care about her and she is doing this for purely secondary intentions of which she is a burden to get rid of at best) she assumes Homura would like herself need to be coddled into the truth which spectacularly fails. They have an amazingly terrible dynamic in every dimensional permutation of either treating Homura as a liar cause she is too lazy and fearful to accept the situation while pushing all the disdain we saw her suffer by Kyouko for being a weak magical girl onto Homura.
2-The words of Madoka- it was stated in another video that as this Madoka in the labyrinth is basically the version of Madoka in her head and it’s “her labyrinth that has all she wants” this version of Madoka tells her what she wanted to hear.
3-Transformation- Homura is oscillating a lot and she sees herself as two different people at a moment(the magical girl that would girl to all extremes to protect Madoka and the weak witchy girl that wants to possess her) and at this point she is aware of what will happen if she survives this, which means she will surrender to her worst nature and hopes Kyouko and Mami may kill her.
4-The demon Homura- my personal guess that is fully my theory is that she becomes said creature because of an unique relationship to despair: hope > despair = god(Madoka),
hope < despair = witch, while
hope = despair = demon(Homura)
She accepts that her wish to protect Madoka implies even opposing Madoka herself which is toxic yet she embraces. Sadly for her this is also a fact that even with all her power she can’t erase Madoka’s nature as a maintainer god that she wished for herself. Lastly she doesn’t seem to have stopped magical girls from being affected by the law of cycles, witches continue to not exist but the magical Valhalla Madoka made is now unavailable and Madoka can’t make executive desisto s such as to intervene using the magic girls she saved.
Good review overall will check the other stuff.
Rebellion is a nice closing of Homura's pain, and showing the failure of acceptance, and how it will change you.
Rebellion is a perfect movie, Homura is the most tragic character I've personally connected to besides Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden.
"Pretends to shoot herself" it feels like she prety much did shoot herself, knowing nothing would happen cuz her body isn't the one of a human anymore, using that in her advantage
I think bebe is in it because witches are technically just magical girls but sadder and more evil so they just took the sad and evil out of bebe and made her a magical girl
From what we've seen only Sayaka and Bebe are the only ones that can transform into witches. That might have to do with the fact that to retrieve magical girls who perished in a witch's labyrinth during the Madoka time-line had to be resurrected from inside the labyrinth and then the witch had to be unwitched
Afaik Homura separated the person Madoka from Goddess That Saves Magical Girls Madoka, so magical girls are still being saved while Madoka is trapped in Homura's universe
Oh really? I thought that’s what Sayaka said to Homura at the end of the movie but if magical girls are still being saved then I think Homura did nothing wrong even more now lol
@@JCsReviews ...nope because the other world lines are still a thing.
Trapped means she can't get out. All Madoka has to do to regain her power is to just remember. That's why Homura stops her re-transformation by asking her if her current life(with family and friends,) is important to her. Homura's rewrite allows Madoka to be with her family for a little while longer, and takes the Incubator's target away from Madoka and puts it on Homura.
God the ending of this movie really reminds me of the 4th movie concept and how I really would love to watch a movie with Mami as the a really powerful magical girl.
I see what Homura did as "wrong" because she has stolen all agency from Madoka. If she truly wabted to save her and let her have a chance at life - if she truly believed Madoka regretted her choice and didnt want to be Godoka - she would let her rememver inside this labyrinth she built. But she knows deep down Madoka would choose to resume her duty. Shit, she came to *get* Homura to sace her from her witchiness in order to bring Homura into the Law of Cycles and free her from suffering. Homura chose instead to rip the law apart and created an unstable universe.
The Mami vs Homura Gunfight is lowkey Top 10 Best Anime Fights...its that badass ngl
homuras real evil is her own hypocrisy. after spending so long finding a witch that was so cowardly as to escape from the real world into an ideal one only to realize it was herself it tears apart her own self image, and she finds herself at a point selfish enough that she can consciously do the exact thing again by re writing the universe.
I am so hyped for walpurgisnacht rising
What if the "Perhaps I will destroy the universe..." Was some perverse love letter. We have Madoka, established as God, and Homura established as "The devil" It could be the writers' take on the fall of Lucifer and Satan. How they loved their father so much (In certain texts) that they were almost purposefully created to be the punishers. She made herself the punisher, for Madoka's sake. She loves her dear Madoka so much, she would almost literally burn the world for her.
You explain this... And imagine watching this before the series like I did years ago. That was me. Was lost the whole time and had to research and find out about the series later on.
I’ve been waiting yearsss for the next movie I just need a crumb of info like 😭😭
it's a happy ending for everyone except Homura, she hates herself and wants to die, as shown by the Clara Dolls
Bebes reason for being there is simple, homura would most likely remember killing that witch and it could get her to realize the truth sooner
Remember that madoka as a god exists outside of the universe as a law of reality still to some extent even after being dragged down to reality by homura. If the universe is destroyed maybe that just leaves the two of them together for eternity which would play into the love angle from homura
You do understand. Bebe (Nagisa) was my favorite new character in this movie.
If you don't watch this movie, you didn't complete Madoka Magica in any meaningful way.
Homura's response to Madoka's wish is a mandatory experience.
This movie is what the WandaVision wanted to be.
Really high quality review man. Lookin forward to watching more
seriously tho, this series was ahead of its time, from the animation, story, musical score, all of'em
I don't think Homura rewrote the universe, based on the visuals. Instead she extended her labyrinth to the entirety of the universe
Which. If true. Madoka's wish ..
Thank you so much for sharing, I really needed to hear someone loves Homura. She is my favourite character ad I'm so glad you are among the people who has explored and even recomended this. Thank you so much, and take care you beautiful soul
Amen
This remind me that when I learnt on the announcement for rebellion, I was so excited because I am so unsettle with the episode ending. Well, the movie does remove the unsettle feeling, but the ending totally leave me speechless (in a natural way).