Building the FASTEST RC F1 Car

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  • @Project-Air
    @Project-Air  22 дня назад +61

    Download World of Warships for FREE today! wo.ws/3V46noT

    • @HS92843
      @HS92843 22 дня назад +4

      Can I get it on Xbox ??

    • @RekySai
      @RekySai 22 дня назад +2

      Personally I unsubscribe from RUclipsrs who love to lie. F1 is a racing division.... Convoluting it into what ever you want is dumb

    • @boimcpickle
      @boimcpickle 22 дня назад

      @@RekySai 💀

    • @CrayCrayCrayfish72
      @CrayCrayCrayfish72 22 дня назад +2

      @@RekySai F1 also refers to the chassis on the F1 car

    • @Starlite123
      @Starlite123 21 день назад +2

      Maybe a rubber skirt and tape at the bottom just to let it glide over the bumps?

  • @ivanmirandawastaken
    @ivanmirandawastaken 22 дня назад +1705

    FIND - A - TUNNEL (with a flat ceiling)

    • @junatah5903
      @junatah5903 22 дня назад +41

      Every tunel has a ceiling, doesn't have to be flat either.

    • @sabyasachitalukdar4314
      @sabyasachitalukdar4314 22 дня назад +33

      Build a tunnel with flat ceiling

    • @LordRidler
      @LordRidler 22 дня назад +45

      ​@@junatah5903should be flat to drive this car on the ceiling I guess

    • @testpilotian3188
      @testpilotian3188 22 дня назад

      @@ivanmirandawastaken just go to the London Underground on a slow day, plenty of flat tunnels there lol

    • @bakerfx4968
      @bakerfx4968 22 дня назад +36

      There’s a guy trying to do that full scale and they’re building their own track for it. Project Air should do a scaled down version lol

  • @A1pha012
    @A1pha012 22 дня назад +514

    If anyone is interested in fan cars, the McMurtry Spéirling recently broke track records, proving that ground effect is very effective under the right circumstances.

    • @Losthewaronemus
      @Losthewaronemus 22 дня назад +18

      I was about to start yapping about this car when I saw your comment. Clearly a man of culture, or Carwow enjoyer

    • @user-zr1gy8cp4l
      @user-zr1gy8cp4l 22 дня назад +11

      You can’t forget the Gordon Murray T.50 as well

    • @Bholla64A9
      @Bholla64A9 22 дня назад +9

      the t.50 uses the fan in a very different way which only produces downforce at high speed and does little to increase the actual downforce of the car. it is mostly to make the car "stand out"

    • @A1pha012
      @A1pha012 22 дня назад

      @@Losthewaronemus Bit of both 😉 But also had an interest in MyEnergi for a while.

    • @Thefrogbread
      @Thefrogbread 22 дня назад

      Yes

  • @BPSspace
    @BPSspace 22 дня назад +233

    James you MUST do a part 2 and see if you can get it to drive upside down! 🏎

    • @thesunnynationg
      @thesunnynationg 21 день назад +2

      Driver 61 YT channel
      if you want to see someone do it for real.
      hasn't done it YET but preparations are running for a year now.
      and he is really adamant about that, he has surrounded himself with very smart F1 ppl to transform a Formula car into a specialized "upside down car".
      he got a big building company to build a dedicated tunnel just for that.
      I can't wait until he announces the date.

    • @jordanliszewski6549
      @jordanliszewski6549 20 дней назад +1

      He needs to have a skirt on hinges. Which is how every car now days does it.

  • @lovrospacal245
    @lovrospacal245 22 дня назад +182

    the long awaited sequel is here

  • @Enter-wl3zf
    @Enter-wl3zf 22 дня назад +221

    Some suggestions:
    How about a skirt made from a brush?
    How about putting the ground effect tray on a separate set of suspensions from the main chassis? One irl example is the Lotus88
    One I've been asking myself watching the video is what lead to the choice of a propeller instead of an impeller to evacuate the ground effect tray, as the latter is way better at producing a pressure difference?

    • @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio
      @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio 22 дня назад +15

      That’s right, why a propeller instead of an impeller?

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator 22 дня назад +11

      The brush idea is good but does add friction as it is in actual contact with the ground.

    • @Guybrush1816351
      @Guybrush1816351 22 дня назад +30

      Windscreen wiper blades might be good source, have metal spine with rubber in them.

    • @CHRIS_snm
      @CHRIS_snm 22 дня назад +18

      I think thick rubber would be the best bet! Maybe a bike inner tube, or a piece of old tire!

    • @Enter-wl3zf
      @Enter-wl3zf 22 дня назад +14

      @@superbmediacontentcreator my reasoning would be that a brush is flexible enough to deal with rough terrain, while doing a reasonable job at blocking airflow. The brush hair would also be trimmed through usage, by contacting the ground, reducing friction and tuning the system over time.
      The problem with a hard barrier as we saw in the video is that once it hits the ground the wheels suddenly lose traction, which could be reduced by using a brush skirt.
      Some hovercraft designs use brush skirts, which is why I thought of it. Granted there they try to keep air in instead of out.
      edit: I'm not sure where I saw it and cant find it atm.

  • @stevezimmerman5644
    @stevezimmerman5644 22 дня назад +129

    There is a BBC documentary called "Gentlemen, Raise Your Skirts". About the ground effect cars Williams had back then. No fan but shaped underfloor and the skirts were spring loaded carbon strips that could retract up and down into a slot so they could touch the track surface and follow the imperfections in the track. Check it out if you can, it's awesome if you like those old BBC doc's.

    • @paulbarnett227
      @paulbarnett227 22 дня назад

      I remember that! Wow - that makes me feel old 👴

    • @TheBillzilla
      @TheBillzilla 21 день назад +9

      One of my fave quotes is from that, when Alan Jones complains about the ride quality of the car when they tried solid suspension. Frank Williams replies, "perhaps you could sit on your wallet, Alan?"

    • @stevezimmerman5644
      @stevezimmerman5644 21 день назад +3

      @@TheBillzilla The most gentlemanly burn ever. They don't make them like sir Frank anymore.

    • @That_guy_69
      @That_guy_69 20 дней назад +1

      BBC💀

  • @kelevra558
    @kelevra558 22 дня назад +88

    The issue was you locked the suspension out. You effectively cancelled out the mechanical grip of the car. In turn, you also proved the effectiveness of the design. Double edged sword so to speak. You must have heard of the McMurty special right? If not....bro.... where have you been?

    • @deaddirt3214
      @deaddirt3214 14 дней назад +3

      Mcmurty at goodwood is unreal. I thought it was fake.

    • @easttennstudent
      @easttennstudent 13 дней назад +1

      ​@@deaddirt3214same! The first time I saw it I thought the playback speed was increased. And the car kind of looks like a cartoon, just the way it's shaped.

    • @kelevra558
      @kelevra558 12 дней назад

      @@deaddirt3214 haaahahaha!!!! Never can tell these days right??? I saw this virtually PERFECT girl the other day. My initial thought was "meh....A.I. derived imagery. Nobody's that cute." Then i slapped myself in the face and nutted myself on my truck bedside because it was borderline special needs thinking.

  • @superbmediacontentcreator
    @superbmediacontentcreator 22 дня назад +203

    The Chaparral did this long before the F1 car you cited. The concept is valid but was outlawed because the fan throws stuff all over the following cars.

    • @benkirkland5354
      @benkirkland5354 22 дня назад +13

      Was about to say the same thing. Can-Am allowed innovations like this because F1 had too many restrictions. Once proven, F1 adopted it.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator 22 дня назад +1

      @@benkirkland5354 As I was growing up I cheered this and the STP turbine car both of which failed for different technical reasons. Had they foreseen the things that ultimately killed them they would have revolutionized the sector before being simply "ruled off" the tracks. I think the electric boost shows the most promise in the near term for F1 unless that like the Grid Girls it gets banned...

    • @mattg5852
      @mattg5852 22 дня назад +7

      As a gran turismo player, I remember having a lot of fun with this car

    • @MrMagooRC
      @MrMagooRC 22 дня назад +11

      The Jim Hall's Chaparral 2J was also closer in concept to this than the Brab, as the on the 2J had a separate snowmobile engine, so fan rotation speed wasn't a direct relation of 'main' engine speed. More consistent 'suck' across the entire speed range of the car, rather than more 'suck' at higher main enginer RPM.

    • @Regular_Thomas
      @Regular_Thomas 22 дня назад +3

      I'm sure it would throw a bunch of stuff around, but because it mostly made all of its downforce from the fan system if for whatever reason the suction between the car and the track, like a big enough bump or a skirt was broken it would lose all grip and be very dangerous. Imagine it just launching mid corner straight off the track. Great system in an ideal world but potentially deadly in a real world

  • @thequesomanishere
    @thequesomanishere 21 день назад +23

    I believe the Chaparral 2J had its skirt mounted to the suspension, not the chassis. This way the skirt stays flat with the wheels, and doesn't move with the body. Try mounting the skirt to the ends of the suspension near the ball joints, and I bet you'll have more consistent suction and longer lasting skirts.

    • @vhmakino
      @vhmakino 8 дней назад

      estava procurando esta reposta!

    • @jegue9animal2
      @jegue9animal2 День назад

      eu pensei no mesmo.

  • @RetinaBurner
    @RetinaBurner 22 дня назад +56

    High pressure flexible 'tubular' perimeter skirt, low pressure chamber: Forget the walls, replace the skirting with something akin to a hovercraft skirt, but with the skirting pressurized to keep it inflated. I also suggest a tough material, as it will be in contact with the ground at high speeds.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator 22 дня назад +3

      You're right in concept but there is difficulty with this sort of thing at scale. There are just some technologies and materials that don't scale down well. This is the case with your skirting material. It is very heavy and thick and hard to reproduce at a small size and get the same robust survival enjoyed in a 1:1 environment.

    • @geistmetzger
      @geistmetzger 22 дня назад +9

      Maybe the rubber squeegee from a wiper blade may work. Semi rigid but flexible/durable edge

    • @petearundel166
      @petearundel166 22 дня назад +7

      Brush strips work too.

    • @Enter-wl3zf
      @Enter-wl3zf 22 дня назад

      ⁠@@petearundel166Thats what I’m thinking! :D

    • @bjrn-oskarrnning2740
      @bjrn-oskarrnning2740 22 дня назад +4

      I thought maybe a spring-loaded sliding door-style wall with a low friction material at the bottom might work, or just some replaceable steel bits.

  • @skazztheterrible
    @skazztheterrible 22 дня назад +32

    You found what brabham found - it is really hard to get a good seal on a road surface. Passive underfloor ground effect ended up quite quickly outpacing the active design. Fun tho! And you didn't have an actual human driver experiencing the rapid fluctuations in the effect; the drivers were terrified by it.

    • @neblolthecarnerd
      @neblolthecarnerd 22 дня назад +5

      I wouldn't say it outpaced the brabham because the brabham got banned after 1 race. If that car also got developed i reckon it would still stay ahead of the fanless ground effect cars.

    • @iskierka8399
      @iskierka8399 22 дня назад +5

      @@neblolthecarnerd It only participated in one race, it was banned after the season but voluntarily not run, partly because of not seeing the point, but also because of practical issues - such as the fact it was connected to the engine's crankshaft. This meant shifting in corners would cause abrupt changes in traction and made it very dicey to drive at the limits.

    • @neblolthecarnerd
      @neblolthecarnerd 22 дня назад +5

      @@iskierka8399 I thought the mutual agreement was kinda a more polite way of withdrawing so they didn't actually get banned until the rules got rewritten. Especially given how easily it won the race it did do.

    • @kentonian
      @kentonian 22 дня назад

      Bernie Eccelstone already had his eye on taking over the running of the sport at that stage, he withdrew the car to stay pally with the organisers. I don’t think golden Murray and the rest of the team knew this at the time

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 22 дня назад

      @@neblolthecarnerd The Brabham was in Lotus' sights to get it banned after they sank so much R&D money into aero downforce, so I think you're right.
      Edit: I also believe the Brabham team put a filter on it to fix the complaints of drivers getting slightly smoked out by the low levels of road dust and the few pebbles pelting their cars, and it only reduced the downforce slightly.

  • @ThePippin89
    @ThePippin89 22 дня назад +12

    Fun fact. Gordon Murray (the designer of the BT46B fitted an aeroplanes altimeter in the cars so that it would show whether the underfloor was sealed. The drivers had a problem that the skirt would be damaged and they wouldn't know and suddenly find themselves going through a corner about 40mph quicker than they could without the ground effect and having a colossal crash. So if the altimeter was in the green they could push. If it wasn't they had to back off.

  • @AndyFromBeaverton
    @AndyFromBeaverton 21 день назад +9

    The original Lotus car had sideboards mounted on slots so they would always adjust themselves to be touching the ground. Your front skirt-board doesn't need to create a perfect seal to the ground. If it's bouncing on the ground it will be slowing your car down. Some of the F1 cars used broom bristles to create a seal.

  • @industrialmonk
    @industrialmonk 22 дня назад +50

    If my memory is correct the seal was made in more than 1 over lapping section so the road contact area could be worn away then slide down to replace it. Eg had a total loss section that lowers as it's warn away.

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 22 дня назад +3

      iirc, it was also sprung so the skirts stayed in contact with the road surface.

  • @ChristopherKlepel
    @ChristopherKlepel 22 дня назад +9

    Why can't you make your skirt out of rubber? You could even use an old bike tire inner tube.

  • @chaileeportraits
    @chaileeportraits 13 дней назад +2

    15:06 love the bangs and pops😂😂😂

  • @glumpy10
    @glumpy10 22 дня назад +5

    Love to see this run on a basketball court where the floor was perfectly smooth. That would let it really corner.
    Seems like for the skirt, some thing pliable but durable like silicone sheet would be good. Great vid as usual!

  • @peraltarockets
    @peraltarockets 20 дней назад +4

    "tea, obviously"
    James, engineering in the best British tradition.

  • @ValRC1
    @ValRC1 22 дня назад +11

    This is extremely sick, and you pulled it off so well! I have been thinking about doing something like this since seeing the Formula Student car from ETH Zürich use a similar approach for reaching 0-100km/h in under a second. IMO it's impressive how much extra downforce you ended up getting in a straight line on this.
    To improve the seal on bumpy roads, maybe you could try a 3d printed flexible TPU base with a sort of skirt around it from thin PTFE that is too long and just bends out when the car is further to the ground, but then extends once it goes more above it or over a bump?

  • @Fin240R
    @Fin240R 22 дня назад +4

    Active suspension with this on an RC car would be awesome!!!

  • @JonahZandona
    @JonahZandona 22 дня назад +3

    its always good to see him upload and it makes my day

  • @TinMar79
    @TinMar79 22 дня назад +5

    I like this concept a lot. Maybe you should try door brush seals for the skirt. First they are flexible, second durable and last you brush stones away in front of the car.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator 22 дня назад

      The problem with your idea is that the contact adds drag. What you are envisioning is a reverse hovercraft which is valid but hard to do at scale...

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 22 дня назад

      I think sprung segmented skirts would be best, its what Chaparral did with the 2J, and it worked beautifully. The only difficulty is doing so effectively at RC scales.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator 20 дней назад

      @@redmk3t You might want to read previous comments before bestowing us with your brilliance.

    • @redmk3t
      @redmk3t 20 дней назад

      @superbmediacontentcreator The problem with your idea is that it's NOT valid on any scale. You probably shouldn't come up with ideas

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator 20 дней назад

      @@redmk3t Iditol leaving a comment that matches their personality... stupid.

  • @gglobot
    @gglobot 2 дня назад

    to have the best effect, you have to attache the soft part of the skirt to the suspension triangle, Like this you can keep the skirt to a constent high from the ground. The skirt can be attached on one side to the rigid part (your aluminium board). And on the other side to a bar connecting the suspension triangle ( 2 tubes can be imbricated in each other so that they can slide and allow the suspension to work)

  • @FLTfilmstuff
    @FLTfilmstuff 22 дня назад +1

    This is epic, ur an awesome creator, don’t stop being awesome!

  • @OpenSourceLowTech
    @OpenSourceLowTech 22 дня назад +3

    Fold of thin kevlar for the skirt? Maybe fibreglass but would be less durable.
    Also might get better results from an odd numbered blade fan?

  • @lesternielson9280
    @lesternielson9280 21 день назад +3

    the small bits of debris, gravel and overall road roughness at the scale of your RC car, would be similar to trying to drive a formula car on a 4x4 off road trail. perhaps try testing again on a smoother airport runway?

  • @JPTulo
    @JPTulo 22 дня назад

    Most under appreciated creator on the platform. Great project!!

  • @NullusestMihi
    @NullusestMihi 6 дней назад

    I would also like to add that on modern formula one cars, the “vacuum chamber” becomes a lot higher the closer it gets to the end of the car. I can see that your vacuum chamber is a consistent height throughout and it reduces the total amount of possible ground effect because you aren’t making the most of the available area. My suggestion is to cut a rectangle on the bottom of the chassis and raise the roof of the vacuum chamber to increase the vacuum. Another thing that I’ve read a lot on is connecting the vacuum chamber to the bottom of the suspension and replacing the foam boards with a brush material and I would like to second that idea because it is a great idea to keep the vacuum consistent. I would also like to see you use a rubber seal like the ones used for car doors and refrigerators if you have the chance. And another thing, please make the exit for the air parallel to the ground because while you are driving, the small amount of air inside the vacuum chamber is crashing against the rear wall of the chamber before getting sucked out, so might as well replace the rear wall entirely with the propeller to reduce air resistance. This will also give you more vertical space to raise the roof of the vacuum chamber even further and make the suction stronger. I hope my ideas are of use to you, and keep making awesome content!

  • @TheAussieAviator747
    @TheAussieAviator747 22 дня назад +9

    You are so inspiring for young engineers/aviators. Keep doing your thing!

  • @testpilotian3188
    @testpilotian3188 22 дня назад +9

    The part you missed, or couldn’t replicate from the original fan car, was the skirts moved up and down inside a channel in the sidepods so that they maintained the perfect hight to the road all the time, the last time I saw one it was effectively a draft excluder bolted to a piece of plastic that sat in the channel. I’m also fairly sure they didn’t completely enclose the skirts at the front (and probably the back) of the car as that was how they drew the air in to create the vacuum. There’s no way this is practical to do on that size of car but maybe a bigger one?

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator 22 дня назад +3

      Actually, he could have achieved this with a spring-loaded frame under the vehicle with a segmented rolling edge. The challenge as I mentioned in a previous comment is that some materials just don't scale well and many solutions add drag from their contact with the surface. Remember the aggregate in the roadway is 1:1 not scaled to the car used for testing. This naturally hampers and intrudes on any of the solutions and improvements.

    • @TimInertiatic
      @TimInertiatic 22 дня назад

      That sounds like the Lotus ground effect skirt solution. I've not seen the Brabham layout to be fair

    • @testpilotian3188
      @testpilotian3188 22 дня назад +1

      @@TimInertiatic they all worked on the same principle, either a sheet of plastic or one with draft excluders on the bottom.

    • @testpilotian3188
      @testpilotian3188 22 дня назад +1

      @@superbmediacontentcreator in this case, size matters then lol

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 22 дня назад +1

      @@testpilotian3188 Lol it sure does, because we know the Square-Cube law and the exponential relationship between velocity and fluid drag makes "RC Scale Speed" one of those measurements that don't mean anything. It not only affects the material properties, but the physical properties and the vehicle behavior. These RC cars also have a power to weight ratio that is immense compared to actual cars, the Traxxas Maxx V2 for example has just shy of a 1 to 1 power to weight ratio if my quick maths were right (and they may not be since I'm not full awake yet), weighing about 0.2 kilos but making 0.16 horsepower from a 6 volt, 20 amp peak draw.
      Edit: Actually, its likely far above a 1 to 1 power to weight, now that I think about it. Since those things supposedly draw like up to 100 amps or more, and the motor gets to see the full 4s 16 or so volts, and that's 1.6kW, which means 2.15 horsepower. On a 200 gram vehicle. That's over a 10 to 1 power to weight ratio. Come on stupid brain, work with me today! The rocks ain't rocking right right now XD

  • @Celsian
    @Celsian 11 дней назад

    12:19 And that's exactly why this was banned in F1 a couple of years later. Awesome recreation, really amazing they were brave enough to try this in manned vehicles.

  • @reecegobbo
    @reecegobbo 22 дня назад +2

    Just a suggestion but maybe you could get a leaf blower and blow off the road as much as possible to have a nice smooth and consistent surface to test on .. maybe remove some variables?... Love the videos keep it up 👍

  • @Leon-vp3vb
    @Leon-vp3vb 22 дня назад +3

    Cut rubber strip from bicycle tube, and use it as floor vaccum seal for tray.

  • @geistmetzger
    @geistmetzger 22 дня назад +6

    The rubber squeegee from a wiper blade may have enough durability to last. It could allow for a small travel to be added back into the suspension to help with its jumpiness

    • @Carrot421911
      @Carrot421911 22 дня назад

      Yeah, rubber is the way to go. Much more flexible and durable than foamboard.

  • @jetbeast
    @jetbeast 22 дня назад

    amazing videos as always!i hope to get at least somewhat near your skill one day!

  • @willwill5595
    @willwill5595 19 дней назад

    I have been watching RUclips since it began . This is the ABSOLUTE BEST video EVER. Thank you SIR! Society needs you to be a teacher. The education system in every country needs to hire you as an online mandatory teaching lesson.

  • @MattTheMartian-qc6pr
    @MattTheMartian-qc6pr 22 дня назад +4

    The car is bouncing because you disabled the suspension

  • @rustyscrewsrc
    @rustyscrewsrc 22 дня назад

    As always, great video! Keep inspiring builders, young and old (you got me back into the hobby and building fun creations after a 30 year break)! Thanks again!

  • @rupertwhite7683
    @rupertwhite7683 22 дня назад

    Great project again! This is exactly my thought for pushing the next level of the RC car speed challenges. Down force with little drag penalty. Also hub motors to remove the drive train issues and be able to use gyro stabilised DTC to keep it straight. Tyres are the only unanswered question.

  • @29pesos51
    @29pesos51 22 дня назад +10

    Damn it... It's all over the screen now 😕

    • @JPTulo
      @JPTulo 22 дня назад

      😆🤣

    • @Vroome942
      @Vroome942 21 день назад +2

      Tf is bro talking about 💀🤣

  • @samuelmorris6361
    @samuelmorris6361 22 дня назад +6

    Under a minute gang

  • @jeremyurquhart7456
    @jeremyurquhart7456 22 дня назад

    Love your experiments on here..top content ❤

  • @RCLifeChoseMe
    @RCLifeChoseMe 14 дней назад

    I enjoy doing RC experiments from time to time too. Subscribed

  • @jaquu
    @jaquu 21 день назад +3

    So so bad clickbait title 👍

  • @CristiNeagu
    @CristiNeagu 15 дней назад

    8:58 You were right the first time around. That, my friend, is a ship, not a boat. When it turns it leans to the outside. Boats lean into the curve.

  • @Yetiboy_FCTT
    @Yetiboy_FCTT 22 дня назад

    Great video yet again 😃
    The original F1 cars used thick rubber to seal the edges, but they used springs so they could move a bit through the undulating surfaces.
    Might be worth looking into 😊

  • @aadyansharma2784
    @aadyansharma2784 5 дней назад

    11:52 are we just not gonna talk about how clean off a drift that was

  • @matthewnardin7304
    @matthewnardin7304 22 дня назад +2

    If you scaled up the small bumps and cracks in the road it would be like taking a life size F1 down a gravel road. Surprised it worked as well as it did.

  • @JayL781
    @JayL781 22 дня назад

    I'm about 1 minute into the video
    I had always wondered why no one has tried to do this with an RC car 👏👍😁. I'm already loving the video 🤤

  • @Remmes
    @Remmes 18 дней назад

    The skirts on F1 cars were moveable pieces slotted into the sides which would allow for the sealing over bumps. I'd love to see you build more on this idea, maybe trying more skirt materials, or even changing the fan duct shape.

  • @nacly4654
    @nacly4654 22 дня назад +1

    Really should have started from propeller design if you're going to build fan assemblies from a selection of options. Having a lower RPM higher torque motor (different KV rating to prevent heat loading via efficiency loss, which is why the 10 blade fan made the motor draw power beyond what it can handle heat wise, but made more vacuum) helps you run propeller designs more optimized for efficiently creating static pressure, so you'll get more pressure difference for a given electrical output. PC fans and boat propellers both take static pressure vs. air volume into consideration.
    Material for the skirts must have a low elastic deformation force, with a high elasticity limit to account for all the rocks and road debris. Making it as thin as possible without distortion also helps. Or, keep the foam and run it indoors on a clean surface.

    • @wesdiezy
      @wesdiezy 21 день назад

      Yes thank you. You're the only comment I could find that mentioned KV. I think Optimizing for a KV with a sustained desirable RPM with the 10 blade fan of a more static optimized blade design is the key. I also think that for the skirt the foam should be a single piece with a large void cut out of it for more strength. Maybe ad some kind of thin tubular uhmwpe edge to it for wear resistance. or maybe a skirt like on actual hover crafts. Hope he makes a v2 of this video.

  • @pbrod8325
    @pbrod8325 17 дней назад

    Great job!!!
    To overcome the weight issue - powering the fan by the differential/ an output shaft would be ideal. Might be complicated but it bet you can pull it off!

  • @H_chapman17
    @H_chapman17 22 дня назад

    Great video, I'm sure Adrian Newey would be proud

  • @aL3891_
    @aL3891_ 22 дня назад +2

    engineering helper.. _put a ring on it james_

  • @TregTube
    @TregTube 22 дня назад

    I have been waiting for this video for so long

  • @YohTaiSai420
    @YohTaiSai420 22 дня назад

    I geek over aerodynamics in cars. This is no exception.

  • @jimbobur
    @jimbobur 21 день назад +1

    4:19 3D printed fractal support trees 🌲🌲

  • @myoneblackfriend3151
    @myoneblackfriend3151 День назад

    I appreciate your careful scientific approach.

  • @soviut303
    @soviut303 21 день назад +1

    You should test this in a gym or any place with polished concrete. Additionally, the skirt could probably be made out of overlapping flexible "tongues" that angle backwards and can bend when pressed down. Combat robots often use this as a flexible wheel system that's difficult to damage.

  • @christopping5876
    @christopping5876 21 день назад

    Excellent video, as always. No theatrics, unnecessary sounds or emojis. Just a logical, well edited video. Thanks. Waiting for the next one.

  • @karlsantos
    @karlsantos 8 дней назад

    After watching up to 13 minutes on this amazing video I recon the low pressure false floor should be connected to the wheel carriers instead of the chassis.
    That would allow a softer and grippier tune of the suspension and still maintain the seal to the ground, maybe?
    Williams used something like that in F1 in the early 80's.

  • @Croxy115
    @Croxy115 21 день назад +1

    Imagine someone was just casually walking on the side of the road and then he hear a sound but he doesn't know what it exactly is and after he go around the corner, a fast tiny car suddenly goes right pass him, he stand there in awe but not even 5 seconds later he feels a sting on his right foot when he looked down, his right foot is gone.

  • @DarkestVampire92
    @DarkestVampire92 21 день назад

    A softer skirt, like one printed from TPU or made of rubber, might help. Something that can take the impact and deform to the shape of the road, rather than bouncing the car off the wheels.
    Also, i beg of you, if you're already going down this path, consider adding a second set of steering wheels at the front like the famous Tyrell P34 :P It might genuinely help with cornering.

  • @Yellow_bud
    @Yellow_bud 22 дня назад +2

    Ay the car has returned!

  • @newmonengineering
    @newmonengineering 21 день назад

    Use a bicycle tube for the sealing membrane. Make the bottom slightly smaller than the top and use a Kevlar string to give the bottom a slight rigidity to it. Similar to a hovercraft design. The tube rubber can better deal with the roughness and the string on the bottom edge will coax it to maintain its shape better. Thats my suggestion for the skirt. Very decent results nonetheless.

  • @evaciano1154
    @evaciano1154 22 дня назад

    JIMNY! very good watch and well done on your further progress.

  • @christopher.knight
    @christopher.knight 16 дней назад

    For the skirt you could try some flexible rubber like a hovercraft, or perhaps some brush material like a paint brush. Try soft or hard bristles and see if there's a difference.
    I imagine you want something soft enough to adjust to the road surface without losing too much air pressure, although losing some air pressure might be preferable to losing traction on the tyres.

  • @fiorevicidomini8220
    @fiorevicidomini8220 17 дней назад

    Very nice project! Congrats! Next step you can try to seal the bottom with 3mm thick rubber and test it on a smooth surface like a flat parking area... I'm shure you will have great results..

  • @Urasuperstar
    @Urasuperstar 15 дней назад

    From what I studied, the vaccum skirts on the bt46b were attatched to the suspension so that they'd always stay level despite the body movement.

  • @giacomodallagiovanna5746
    @giacomodallagiovanna5746 16 дней назад

    Hi, I personally loved your F1 RC car project, so I'd like to give you some ideas: maybe you can add some sort of plank, like actual F1 Cars, to reduce the minimum distance from the ground of car's floor to avoid skirts damaging and maybe try some TPU 3D printed skirts to improve the vacuum effect. Have a good day!

  • @karlnowakowski7866
    @karlnowakowski7866 22 дня назад

    Just a thought, have you considered multiple concentric seals. The pressure differential will reduce between each seal and result in an overall better and more robust seal.

  • @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio
    @Unapersonaconunmicroscopio 22 дня назад

    YESSSSSSSSS HE UPLOADED THE SEQUEL OF MY FAVORITE VIDEO YESSSSSSS

  • @marksteps1712
    @marksteps1712 14 дней назад

    i'm an f1 nut and i know back in the day they had a semi rigid skirt that would bounce inside a receiver style channel, i wonder if you could construct something like that and try t again.
    despite the porpoising as soon as that fan cut off it was going straight to the scene of the accident, awesome look, need a 2.0 video

  • @kmorris180
    @kmorris180 21 день назад

    I always enjoy your videos and having Emily's input is wonderful. The gal seems to have a good head on her shoulders. What's next? Maybe a car that turns into a plane and flies with the assistance of rocket motors?

  • @ponta08
    @ponta08 19 дней назад

    Just some ideas that could improve speeds:
    - Smoother track (Obviously)
    - Replace the metal sheet with a custom lightweight fibreglass one
    - Make the steering linkages to the front wheels stronger as they where wobbling a bunch causing the car to become unstable
    - Make the skirt out of fibreglass or some type of material that can bend in the traveling direction to reduce the amount of damage
    - Change tires now and then
    - Different motor for the fan that can output a bit more power to allow for the 10 blade design without overheating
    - Think of a new front end design for the skirt, different design that having them sloped at a 45 degree angle could improve handling (Basically like toe) and maybe reduce damage
    - Put spacers on the rear wheels as they look to be lightly rubbing on the rear fins/wings. You can kind of see it at 16:20
    - RGB strips for 0 - 60 in 2 sec

  • @Tubski.Ollie126
    @Tubski.Ollie126 15 дней назад

    Imagine the ideal track. When you make the care smaller, everything else gets bigger. If everything was smooth, flat, and sticky, I'd love to see an rc car race of practically mini f1.

  • @iblong9505
    @iblong9505 21 день назад

    Man this channel keeps racking up one crazy project after another

  • @james3181
    @james3181 22 дня назад

    If you ever revisit this project maybe you could try some silicone draught excluder tape for the skirts. Specifically the variety that goes on the bottom of doors with a silicon skirt and a 3M adhesive strip on the top. Would provide a more flexible seal with the road surface and would be pretty durable. Can be found in most DIY shops for pretty cheap.
    It will also work well with the aluminium skirt bracket system you had. Just punch a hole through the silicone tape and bolt it on to the bracket with some nuts and washers. Probably necessary because I don't think the tape's adhesive alone would be enough to hold it on under all that friction.

  • @yindyamarra
    @yindyamarra 22 дня назад

    Been waiting for ages, Brilliant vid

  • @mikehaberski4596
    @mikehaberski4596 19 дней назад

    Glad to see you revisiting this project👍

  • @CappeSun
    @CappeSun 22 дня назад

    Love the Wii Sports/Japan in a nutshell -font used in the past few videos

  • @SINIS0RSA
    @SINIS0RSA 22 дня назад

    Imagine the rear edf installed on 1-axis servo controlled mount to provide some thrust vectoring. Ofc it would require some flexible sleeve to keep ground effect low pressure -side from leaking.
    Or maybe some active aero added to this car to help with cornering stability, and top speed (with drag reduction system).
    I’m just throwing some stupid ideas, but keep up your awesome work! 🙂

  • @GraphicVolcano707
    @GraphicVolcano707 15 дней назад

    Although this might be hard to accomplish, but there was a design on the chaparral 2j regarding the side skirts. The 2j was a fan car, but had issues with maintaining proper suction. The car had a mechanism where the skirts would move up and down as it was linked to the suspension, preventing it from scraping against the track surface

  • @larrytemen4789
    @larrytemen4789 21 день назад

    You should try brush for your ground affect set up. The use a bristle bush for sealing the bottom of garage doors etc. make the brush 1” thick the entire way around and that should work.

  • @degreeless_engineering
    @degreeless_engineering 19 дней назад

    I would recommend attaching the skirts to the suspension so that it moves with the suspension rather than the chassis, but this is really sweet!

  • @sigmaoctantis_nz
    @sigmaoctantis_nz 22 дня назад

    Stiffening the suspension so much would have countered any gains in grip around corners. For grip you need compliance over bumps, which requires a more flexible skirt material to go with it. Additionally, with a solid skirt, the wheels will jump around when the skirt is contacting the ground, causing periods of a significant loss in downforce and making control difficult. I'd suggest something like a rubber sealing strip with a hollow center, similar to what is used to seal boots/bonnets in cars.

  • @user-co9xg4ey1o
    @user-co9xg4ey1o 20 дней назад

    when i first heard about this formula 1 car i had some ideas of my own but testing them on a life size car was never going to be in my price range so you have given me a good idea, thanks

  • @motor_misc
    @motor_misc 20 дней назад +1

    I liked your DIY RUclips manometer 🤣😃

  • @ntmccauley362
    @ntmccauley362 14 дней назад

    YESS someone made more aero rc cars

  • @FullMetalTuna
    @FullMetalTuna 21 день назад

    @Project-Air Get some door sweeps, They're just brushes on rails for the base of doors. but they will maintain a more reliable seal without bottoming out

  • @dallinhmic
    @dallinhmic 2 дня назад

    I think you need to do a part 2. And you try different kinds of skirts, I think a good material to make it out of would be silicone strips meant for weather stripping Doors and whatnot. You also might think about getting a more powerful fan/ motor.

  • @greatscottgaming8681
    @greatscottgaming8681 22 дня назад

    I have an idea, attach a section of a bicycle inner tube to the perimeter of the bottom plate. If the ground below the car is uneven, the inner tube will allow the flexibility in the skirt to keep a good vacuum under the vehicle

  • @villep7907
    @villep7907 21 день назад +1

    Subscribed immediately, freaking awesome channel!
    Stuff made here with RC stuff!

  • @bfgreg1
    @bfgreg1 19 дней назад +1

    The rubber from a bike wheel tube might be good for the skirt since it's flexible and coulsd run along the ground without much damage.

  • @gafrers
    @gafrers 22 дня назад

    Love this project

  • @merijn1086
    @merijn1086 22 дня назад +1

    Remember that rc cars are still downscaled. Driving on a normal asphalt road would scale up to like a cobblestone like surface. Perhaps a soft, flexible rubber profile could be worth a try. Quite cheap and more durable than the foam. Also, it could dampen bouncing.

  • @coelhovinicius140
    @coelhovinicius140 22 дня назад

    It might be complicated, but the chaparral's fan car had the skirts somehow linked to the suspension so it stays in the right attitude, might help you with the consistency around the corners. There are so many details about those fan cars and active aero in general, have fun going down that rabbit hole!

  • @jimmyfleebot
    @jimmyfleebot 21 день назад

    Super cool project, I've been thinking about this for a long time.
    I work in steelmaking; we use PTFE wear-plate side-skirts at the transition seal between the feed hoppers which deliver raw materials onto the transport conveyors. I think there is some potential crossover here for your project, and others like it. These skirts guide raw materials, which include very hard and abrasive substances like coal and vanadium, into a continuously shaped pile onto the conveyor, resisting wear and preventing spilling. Mechanically sprung hinges allow the skirt some freedom of movement to further reduce wear and prevent blockages. They last for months or years; PTFE wear-plate is a fantastic material for this application. You could probably find offcuts at the companies who supply the precut pieces to businesses like ours.
    The sprung mounts can oscillate side-to-side, into and away away from the material, providing consistent pressure to form the pile, whilst allowing enough freedom of movement to prevent blockages. For your design the pile could be viewed as the road, and the hopper as your car on its side. Hinging could be biased up-and-backwards of the direction of travel, to prevent the mechanism from turning into an F1 pole-vault. The skirts could be installed in a lightly sprung slot which to downfeed the skirt into the road as it wears, maintaining a consistent skirt size. A flexible material like latex could be used to form a seal around the moving parts above the skirt, to improve the overall seal between the car and the road.
    Just my 2c, anyway. Love your channel!

  • @elitesennabubble
    @elitesennabubble 18 дней назад

    The F1 skirts they used were free floating or spring loaded - gravity/spring force meant that they were always sealing to the ground but without bottoming out the car or bouncing