Great episode, so happy to still be able to view these, loved them since they were first released. In my 63 years on earth they remain the best series ever !
Totally agree. I'm 70 and used to watch these with my Dad. Never seen a TV series that comes close to the quality of these episodes. They were the best and still are.
I remember as a 9 year old kid watching this series every Sunday evening without fail and of course having to go to bed afterward. It is kind of funny how enthralled I was with the series and now looking back and both noticing and reading about the inaccuracies of the show. Seeing it again here brings back a lot of memories and I appreciate the work to make it available.
There is nothing in the show directly linking those two rockets together. One scene showed the Germans having problems with their launches, with later scenes showing the result of those problems - not necessarily that one problem.
V-1... Doodle-bug, buzz bomb ... Was a winged unmanned aircraft, like a modern drone. What they showed being launched was the V-2 (A-4 german designation), a true rocket.
No sólo ese error, en una escena aparece un oficial nazi al lado de un Renault Dauphine de 1956. ¿No están ambientando las escenas en la Segunda Guerra Mundial?.
When legends meet! in this episode of ABC-TV's "TWELVE O' CLOCK HIGH" (1964-67) "To Seek And Destroy" was written by Glen A Larson, who also wrote, "In A Plain, Brown Wrapper" segment of "THE FUGITIVE" in 1966, would later become a TV legend at Universal Studios in the late 1960s and eventually becoming a huge TV name throughout the 1970s while Quinn Martin was exiting the business when he sold QM Productions to The Taft Broadcasting Company in 1979. but throughout his great TV history, Glen A Larson is better remembered as the creator of such shows like "QUINCY", M.E.", "BJ AND THE BEAR", "BATTLESTAR GALACTICA", "BUCK RODGERS IN THE 25th CENTURY", "KNIGHT RIDER", and "SWITCH", along with co-creating "MAGNUM P. I." with Donald P Belisario in 1980, along with another collection of other short-lived shows, but in 1981, Glen A Larson moved over to Twentieth Century Fox Television where he created "THE FALL GUY" (1981-86) for ABC and NBC's "MANIMAL" series in 1983, with "AUTOMAN" for ABC in 1984, and CBS's "COVER-UP", also in Fall 1984. Larson's TV shows in the mid/late 90s were already losing steam, especially with the syndicated "NIGHT MAN" series in Fall 1996, and the short-lived "ONE WEST WAIKIKI" in 1994, and "P.S. I LUV YOU" for CBS in Fall 1991. and, while Glen A Larson may not have had the style of Quinn Martin's TV shows and history, he still became one of TV's best-known maverick's of Primetime!
Interesting to think that in 1966, when this was filmed, that Dr. Von Braun, the German rocket scientist, was perfecting the Saturn V! Oh, and by the way, Komansky IS an aircraft mechanic, so it's beyond me why he needs help to fix that engine!
The best part of this episode is Kamansky demonstrating he has at least sufficient skills to co-pilot a plane, usually the gunners, technical crew sgt don't know how, because to fly one also must be a certified flight officer, at least 1 year extra of tactical and leadership school plus flight training and the complex math is the hardest part
Those flight engineers knew a lot about how to fly those planes. He might not be certified to do it - but I don't have any problem with him working with a pilot to do the things he was doing. Besides - it's not that hard to fly a plane for a few minutes - I've done it. It's landing them that's harder. I haven't done that. .
My dad was a ball turret gunner in a B-17. He told me that his pilot had taught everyone in their crew enough rudimentary piloting skills to be able to keep the plane in the air if both pilot and co-pilot were wounded. I don't know if that was common practice but it makes a lot of sense in a combat situation.
The statement Gallagher made at the beginning, their accuracy is increasing. Then they showed the V-2 launch. The V-2 was a big improvement in accuracy over the V-1's!!!!!
You are right. At the beginning, it was a V-2 launch. What was in the warehouse was a V-1 "buzz bomb." I didn't think any of them had any type of guidance system.
In all the episodes of the show there has been only one view of the B17 cockpit. I wish they had set up a shot from behind the pilots showing the gunner seat in the front.
During the war a v-2 did land in Sweden. The parts were sent to Annapolis, where they were analyzed by Robert Goddard. After the war, German’s top rocket expert Wehrmer von Braun and his team were bought to the United States to work on rocket propulsion.
Churchill said in his memoirs that some German was given the V2s remote control. He had never seen a rocket and was so startled that he pushed the controll all the way to one side until the rocket was out of range for the remote control.
@@johnrogan9420 How was he fooling NASA? He wanted to go to the Moon. He always wanted to go to the Moon. When he was working for the Nazi's - he wanted to go to the Moon. All the work he did for the Nazi's - was aimed at eventually going to the Moon. By putting a bomb on it - the Nazi's would pay for him to develop a Rocket as a first step towards going to the Moon. When he worked for NASA - they did go to the Moon. He wanted to go to the Moon. NASA wanted to go to the Moon. What was the need to fool NASA about anything? .
Man, I absolutely hate drunks. My father was an alcoholic who beat and terrorized the entire family. He was eventually found dead in a ditch, falling unconscious and drowning in his own vomit while walking home from a bar. While I do have fond memories of earlier days (before the alcohol), none of us cried over his passing. Too many bad memories.
CB radio brings out stories like yours...hungry children but dad always had his 6 pack..real bitterness but nothing compared to a heroin addict...total destruction ever worse than alcoholic behavior.
@@johnrogan9420 .. Oh, yeah. Drugs add a new, even worse, dimension to the mess, but alcohol is still a problem. While I've tried both (years ago - the foolishness of youth), I'm happy to say I've never even half-assed got involved with either. I have so much more to do with my life.
That's a V-2 rocket that goes off course at the beginning of this episode, but the British guy is working on a V-1 rocket in the building later in the show.
Other than the "Distant Cry" episode (S3E5), which had a Season One-type script in which the flyers' conflicts and struggles are laid out in brutally emotional and painful truthful fashion, the only other episodes in Season 2 and 3 that were half decent were those that basically re-enacted critical events of WWII such as this one. For even if the rest of the storyline (like the infinitely re-used example of a talented loser who goes to waste and nearly ruins everything, but redeems himself by dying gloriously) is silly, illogical and all over the place, the historical aspect of the story is enough to keep you interested in watching.
We watch a V 2 ... Rocket launch and go off course toward Sweden. In the next scene they plan to dismantle a V 1 drone that landed in Sweden. I was in Grade 7 or 8 when this was written and filmed and I could have served as a better military advisor to this episode than whoever will come up in the credits. " they are getting more accurate" is not a V1. they ran out kerosene over London or other targets and fell, willy nilly. The V2 trajectories might have improved, but they were launched for terror not accuracy. So on with the war Drama with characters and feelings and tough fates. Ignore the tech. No one caught this at QM ?
The German weapon was always a V-1 in the plot - it was just in that V-2 launch sequence that it was a V-2. I guess they used that sequence because it showed a "German Rocket" going off course. The weapon they are working on taking parts out of - was a V-1. .
There is nothing in the show directly linking those two rockets together. One scene showed the Germans having problems with their launches, with later scenes showing the result of those problems - not necessarily that one problem.
the allies bombed these factories and later they moved everything underground and still continued to make "flying bombs" just not as many V2's as the V1's
Picture Cars is what I do for movies for a living, and different things happen to cause stuff like this. With this one I can guarantee the conversation went, "we need a car that looks Swedish...hey...that one's perfect!" You'll explain to everyone it's wrong and why, and you'll get..."well...if I don't know what a WWII Swedish car really looks like...the audience won't either!"
I like this show for it's entertainment value but in this episode they start out talking about robot bombs (Buzz bombs) then show a V2 launching and going off-course, then at 4:55 they start calling a V2 a V1 while discussing rocketry. A V1, as I'm sure most of us here know, is a flying bomb powered by a pulse jet, on the other hand a V2 is a true rocket. These sorts of mistakes by the writers and producers of the show kind of spoil it for me, you'd think that they could get their basic facts right before producing a show about a topic they clearly know little about. P.S. and at 40:48 they appear to show a V1 being worked on, so maybe the producers meant V1's all along? So V2 footage was introduced simply for dramatic effect???
I noticed the same. This series is a bit cheap in some ways. Like the woman don´t want to have old fashioned 1940 hair. But I will watch all the episodes.
When they went to color apparently costs went up per episode, plus there was an overall drive late in SE02 to cut costs which apparently just got worse in SE03. As to the V1/ V2 thing...they would've shot all the location and studio stuff and *then* padded it out with the stock footage during post-production, which was probably "just find us some footage showing the Nazis launching that stuff..." to cut in. Lazy.
I actually went to wikipedia because I started doubting myself too and thought I must have gotten something wrong about the V1 & V2 projects. Nope. It was the writers who created the fantasy. You know, it's just as easy to get this stuff right.
There is nothing in the show directly linking those two rockets together. One scene showed the Germans having problems with their launches, with later scenes showing the result of those problems - not necessarily that one problem.
Frank Savaga is based on a real group commander ,the 306th bomb group .918bg comes from the 306bg ,USAAF 8th Airforce .306 *3 918th BG USAAF 8thAF time frame 1943
Yup, and Larson was noted throughout his career for pandering to the lowest common denominator in his entertainment attempts. The fact that his career (and series he developed in later years) were quite successful proved he was right, I guess.
Not one of the best episodes of the series in terms of storytelling. It's all over the place, which is surprising because Larson as a writer was generally one for tight scripts, almost to the point of them being from an assembly line.
Apart from everything else, Anderson's character says the B-17 was designed to destroy factories. It was not. It was designed in 1934 when Japan was the principal enemy being considered and coastal defense of the Philippines, Hawaii, the Canal Zone and the West coast were the concerns. It was adapted into the strategic role.
Originally, yes. But the war fighting B-17's the E, F and G models were designed to wage strategic warfare. They were so different from the original B-17's they were not the same except superficially.
Also initially the air war via b17 in Europe was almost entirely strategical, its when the Brits started lighting cities up by night, and the US hammering the same ones by day, where it was more about general destruction, morale breaking and taking away simpler items needed like clothing, food and other things they could still mass produce by laborers and homes, small farms in those cities
“If you don’t shush up I’ll have to belt you one”. As a man that line is insulting and i really don’t think this was typical of men during that time. It takes an animal to “belt” a woman or even joke about it.
Not hard to see why the show lost its appeal. I’ve been watch them in order and Frank Overton has not been in the last three episodes. They try to bring in interesting guest stars but they write convoluted episodes that don’t make much sense logically. Why would this mission be given to Gallagher, Kowalsky and Carmichael? None were suitable for a mission to recover only a timer and it was well know the V1 simply dropped randomly when it ran out of fuel. The V-2 could not fly to Sweden and land without severe damage. In The epilog they show a few parts and the first assembly is identified as being produced in a foundry. A foundry may have produced the outer casing, but not the machined assembly. By 1967 even school kids, part of the younger audience they were trying to attract, were very knowledgeable about the US space program. Hell I was already building Estes rocket kits and though they did not have gyros and timers we would spot the flaws in an episode like this. Richard Anderson is a fine actor but plays a minor role. They strayed way to far from Gallagher’s and Kowalksky’s MOS. The tried to explain Carmichael’s experience in rocketry as an expert came from 2-3 years Experience as some sort of hobby. They even tried put some flying in with a twin engine plane and embarrass Carmichael as unfit for flying a plane in which it was unlikely he was checked out in. Poor example of mission planning. And make us believe the Germans knew an American plane had followed them in on their glide path and conveniently the ‘secret airfield’ was just beyond, a few miles. In the early section they show the launch control and normally they had Germans speaking German in episodes. Now they all speak English. And they tell us the rocket is going to Sweden a few seconds after launch. That rocket designer should have been executed on the spot, in Nazi Germany. It’s OK to make a few uniform flubs or even put the incorrect German fighter planes in an episode but color or black & white it’s a crappy story construct that loses audiences. The show jumped the shark in this episode.
11:327 THE ROBOT BOMBS2 actually the V 2 rockets Wernher von Braun had developed for the Nazis. To this the move OPERATION CROSSBOW was good and the TIMELESS episode PARTY AT CASTLE VARLAR. It is interesting that the American Government Public Relation had built up Wernher von Braun as a technical hero for decades before in more recent decades his past caught up to his biographical past.
A VW stamp on it : Can be, back in the Nazi days the VOLKSWAGEN GESESLLSCHAFT had been founded to built up secretly a motorised armed force for the German Reich, since this was forbidden for the Germans by the After War treaties VW just became a truly civilian motorworks just after the War.
Yes,well,the V1 and V2 were real...they were just terror weapons but wreaked havoc! It was not a joke so don't act like it was...many thousands of people killed by these super weapons (of that time!)
mark clark You're right Mark, not only do they show the launching of a V-2 rocket and call it a V-1 (cruisemistle) they also use the term Buzz-bomb after the sound a V-1 made. In the shed in Sweden a bomb is shown with what it looks like a sort of propellingdevice on top just as a V-1. BTW, a V-1 did not contain a timer but had a simple device, a kind of airdriven propellor. After a certain amound of turns, as the distance was reached, it just killed the fuelsupply and the bomb dived. Not very accurate fiction.
Funny is that the RAF , NOT the USAAF took care of the V1 and V2s. Another silly episode! C47 Dakota in daylight? The Luftwaffe would have blown it out of the sky! Why not an RAF Mosquito at night? Where on earth is the Swedish Army?
Dresden was a major railroad hub. Also they wanted to demonstrate to the Russians that they would continue to support the Russian offensive by disrupting German transportation. There also may have been a desire to punish the Germans for refusing to do the sane and logical thing and quit fighting.
That was found to be untrue in some degree, Nazi Germany shouldn't get excuses, apologetics about such things, its an illegally instigated war out of delusional, racist, vain nationalism motives and not started by those trying to swiftly end it, so...
This is the exact same cockpit as the episode about killing Hitler. It's funny, I didn't know that C-47s had Heinkel cockpits. The continuity that goes on in this show is so awful. I don't know why I'm still watching it. Maybe just to look for things just like this? And the idea of a Group Commander running this mission is ludicrous.
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Great episode, so happy to still be able to view these, loved them since they were first released. In my 63 years on earth they remain the best series ever !
Totally agree. I'm 70 and used to watch these with my Dad. Never seen a TV series that comes close to the quality of these episodes. They were the best and still are.
Your idea of great seems to ignore all the glaring errors of production and continuity. Very, very amateurish.
I really enjoy this. Watched them when I was In High School.
I remember as a 9 year old kid watching this series every Sunday evening without fail and of course having to go to bed afterward. It is kind of funny how enthralled I was with the series and now looking back and both noticing and reading about the inaccuracies of the show. Seeing it again here brings back a lot of memories and I appreciate the work to make it available.
Yes great work .keep it up .
Yup me too
My dad and I watched too. He flew the Lancaster for the RCAF.
I forgot that this was on TV Sunday nights. I remember it better a couple of years later, watching it late in the afternoons, after school in reruns.
It was good to watch this episode again. I still remember telling my college roommate all about it in 1968.
Richard Anderson is the best in anything he does.
Interesting how the V2 at the beginning of the episode became a V1 towards the end of it. 😁
There is nothing in the show directly linking those two rockets together. One scene showed the Germans having problems with their launches, with later scenes showing the result of those problems - not necessarily that one problem.
thanks for uploading this great tv series! steve usn ret.
this was a great series, I don't know why thet cancelled it .a shame! steve usn ret.
V-1... Doodle-bug, buzz bomb ... Was a winged unmanned aircraft, like a modern drone. What they showed being launched was the V-2 (A-4 german designation), a true rocket.
You use what film you could get in the days before CG....
and both of which were in use at the time the series is set. (Late 1944)
Never trust a drunk when your life may be at risk. That, is the moral lesson of this episode.
Good episode. One mistake though... A V2 rocket went off course and mysteriously turned into a V-1 when it landed in Sweden.
True. Have seen both take off differently. Maybe easier to show this kind going off course.
A related mistake. It was constantly referred to as a V-1. It was clearly a rocket, not a buzz bomb that was launched.
Thought I was the one going daft:-)
No sólo ese error, en una escena aparece un oficial nazi al lado de un Renault Dauphine de 1956. ¿No están ambientando las escenas en la Segunda Guerra Mundial?.
One mistake?! There are another one: What´s doing a Renault Dauphine, introduced in 1956, in WW2?
This episode of 12 O’Clock High: The TV Series was written by Glen A. Larson of “Battlestar Galactica” and “Knight Rider” fame.
Too bad not a more complete Season 3 or more seasons of this show.
I used to work with a Peter Gallagher at Nellis AFB, NV. He would lay hands on the plane before he signed off the RED X in the maintenance records!!
Rod Firefighter what was his rank
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At 24:11 the C-47 has a blue badge on the fuselage yet when it lands it has gone, maybe like the V2 changed into a V1 later?
When legends meet! in this episode of ABC-TV's "TWELVE O' CLOCK HIGH" (1964-67) "To Seek And Destroy" was written by Glen A Larson, who also wrote, "In A Plain, Brown Wrapper" segment of "THE FUGITIVE" in 1966, would later become a TV legend at Universal Studios in the late 1960s and eventually becoming a huge TV name throughout the 1970s while Quinn Martin was exiting the business when he sold QM Productions to The Taft Broadcasting Company in 1979. but throughout his great TV history, Glen A Larson is better remembered as the creator of such shows like "QUINCY", M.E.", "BJ AND THE BEAR", "BATTLESTAR GALACTICA", "BUCK RODGERS IN THE 25th CENTURY", "KNIGHT RIDER", and "SWITCH", along with co-creating "MAGNUM P. I." with Donald P Belisario in 1980, along with another collection of other short-lived shows, but in 1981, Glen A Larson moved over to Twentieth Century Fox Television where he created "THE FALL GUY" (1981-86) for ABC and NBC's "MANIMAL" series in 1983, with "AUTOMAN" for ABC in 1984, and CBS's "COVER-UP", also in Fall 1984. Larson's TV shows in the mid/late 90s were already losing steam, especially with the syndicated "NIGHT MAN" series in Fall 1996, and the short-lived "ONE WEST WAIKIKI" in 1994, and "P.S. I LUV YOU" for CBS in Fall 1991. and, while Glen A Larson may not have had the style of Quinn Martin's TV shows and history, he still became one of TV's best-known maverick's of Primetime!
Great episode.
Poor Kaminsky, Good Episode.
Interesting to think that in 1966, when this was filmed, that Dr. Von Braun, the German rocket scientist, was perfecting the Saturn V! Oh, and by the way, Komansky IS an aircraft mechanic, so it's beyond me why he needs help to fix that engine!
The Brit obviously had PTSD, how times have changed.
A C-47 goonie bird ! My aircraft for
a year in Viet Nam. Really miss that plane..
Did you drive a Puff or air cargo?
Cargo, evac., spy pictures. Didn't drive just a crew chief and flight mech.
Push that flakey brit out the door!
Always drop down to 3000 feet to take a look around.
Paul Burke was quite a doll ❤
The best part of this episode is Kamansky demonstrating he has at least sufficient skills to co-pilot a plane, usually the gunners, technical crew sgt don't know how, because to fly one also must be a certified flight officer, at least 1 year extra of tactical and leadership school plus flight training and the complex math is the hardest part
Those flight engineers knew a lot about how to fly those planes. He might not be certified to do it - but I don't have any problem with him working with a pilot to do the things he was doing. Besides - it's not that hard to fly a plane for a few minutes - I've done it. It's landing them that's harder. I haven't done that.
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In an early episode it was revealed Komanski went thru flight training but got busted for a reason I don't recall
My dad was a ball turret gunner in a B-17. He told me that his pilot had taught everyone in their crew enough rudimentary piloting skills to be able to keep the plane in the air if both pilot and co-pilot were wounded. I don't know if that was common practice but it makes a lot of sense in a combat situation.
The statement Gallagher made at the beginning, their accuracy is increasing. Then they showed the V-2 launch. The V-2 was a big improvement in accuracy over the V-1's!!!!!
You are right.
At the beginning, it was a V-2 launch.
What was in the warehouse was a V-1 "buzz bomb."
I didn't think any of them had any type of guidance system.
In all the episodes of the show there has been only one view of the B17 cockpit. I wish they had set up a shot from behind the pilots showing the gunner seat in the front.
During the war a v-2 did land in Sweden. The parts were sent to Annapolis, where they were analyzed by Robert Goddard.
After the war, German’s top rocket expert Wehrmer von Braun and his team were bought to the United States to work on rocket propulsion.
Churchill said in his memoirs that some German was given the V2s remote control. He had never seen a rocket and was so startled that he pushed the controll all the way to one side until the rocket was out of range for the remote control.
Von Braun's used a sci fi movie about a trip to the moon to fool first Hitler...then NASA.
To Redstone Alabama
@@johnrogan9420 How was he fooling NASA? He wanted to go to the Moon. He always wanted to go to the Moon. When he was working for the Nazi's - he wanted to go to the Moon. All the work he did for the Nazi's - was aimed at eventually going to the Moon. By putting a bomb on it - the Nazi's would pay for him to develop a Rocket as a first step towards going to the Moon. When he worked for NASA - they did go to the Moon.
He wanted to go to the Moon.
NASA wanted to go to the Moon.
What was the need to fool NASA about anything?
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Richard Anderson in this one ...
"V-2 landed" and "intact" shouldn't be in the same sentence lol
Really, that must have some dud
for all that volatile rocket propellant and high explosive inside not to go off
Considering at the beginning of this film it was a V2 that launched then when you see him working on the rocket it's a V1 someone screwed up
Man, I absolutely hate drunks. My father was an alcoholic who beat and terrorized the entire family. He was eventually found dead in a ditch, falling unconscious and drowning in his own vomit while walking home from a bar. While I do have fond memories of earlier days (before the alcohol), none of us cried over his passing. Too many bad memories.
CB radio brings out stories like yours...hungry children but dad always had his 6 pack..real bitterness but nothing compared to a heroin addict...total destruction ever worse than alcoholic behavior.
@@johnrogan9420 .. Oh, yeah. Drugs add a new, even worse, dimension to the mess, but alcohol is still a problem. While I've tried both (years ago - the foolishness of youth), I'm happy to say I've never even half-assed got involved with either. I have so much more to do with my life.
That's a V-2 rocket that goes off course at the beginning of this episode, but the British guy is working on a V-1 rocket in the building later in the show.
V2 (shown@beginning of episode) was the rocket. V1 was the infamous flying "buzz bomb."
" a magnetic compass" disclosed in earnest terms. Is there some other force in nature that compasses respond to?
Did they borrow Columbo's Renault Daphine for this episode?
He had a volvo
@@siseley1 No, he had a Peugeot 403.
SGT hiow did you find him ? I was meant to under the tree.
Other than the "Distant Cry" episode (S3E5), which had a Season One-type script in which the flyers' conflicts and struggles are laid out in brutally emotional and painful truthful fashion, the only other episodes in Season 2 and 3 that were half decent were those that basically re-enacted critical events of WWII such as this one. For even if the rest of the storyline (like the infinitely re-used example of a talented loser who goes to waste and nearly ruins everything, but redeems himself by dying gloriously) is silly, illogical and all over the place, the historical aspect of the story is enough to keep you interested in watching.
Once again, isn't it amazing how Sweden looks *nothing like* Southern California around that airport?
Sometimes you can spot the Anaheim Water Tower from Stalag 13, Hogans Heroes.
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Its 1960s TV folks.
The last I checked, that was not a V-1 it was a V-2 rocket.
Other way around - it was always supposed to be a V-1 - they just used footage of a failed V-2 launch.
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I believe that was my point?!
@@shawnmiller2515 If that was your point then why wasn't that what you said?
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Why are TROLLING ME?!
@@shawnmiller2515 This isn't Trolling but if you don't respond I won't either.
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Episode about robots writen by glen larson, very cool.
Need to run some Sea Come threw that # 1 engine, something bad wrong with it????!!!!!!
Gallagher was the coolest pilot ever.He cudda licked all the krauts
Don't be disgusting...
We watch a V 2 ... Rocket launch and go off course toward Sweden. In the next scene they plan to dismantle a V 1 drone that landed in Sweden. I was in Grade 7 or 8 when this was written and filmed and I could have served as a better military advisor to this episode than whoever will come up in the credits. " they are getting more accurate" is not a V1. they ran out kerosene over London or other targets and fell, willy nilly. The V2 trajectories might have improved, but they were launched for terror not accuracy. So on with the war Drama with characters and feelings and tough fates. Ignore the tech. No one caught this at QM ?
Why in this episode do they keep calling a V-2 a V-1. Totally different weapons. One was launched horizontally the other was the first true ICBM.
Ignorance.
@@utoothheartyeight Or lack of knowledge. Though I guess that is ignorance isn't it.
The German weapon was always a V-1 in the plot - it was just in that V-2 launch sequence that it was a V-2. I guess they used that sequence because it showed a "German Rocket" going off course. The weapon they are working on taking parts out of - was a V-1.
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richard anderson from the six million dollar man is in this one.
I remember him from all the westerns he was in.
Smartphone Strikes again! That's Sea Foam!!!!!!!???
Boy they went to a lot of trouble to get all the Swedish signs right!
17.50 ish hang on the video at the start shows a v2 going crazy(i think that one crashed into a german airfeild, true)now there talking buzz bomb
There is nothing in the show directly linking those two rockets together. One scene showed the Germans having problems with their launches, with later scenes showing the result of those problems - not necessarily that one problem.
Do these guys ever get a plane that works the way its supposed to ??
Interesting--Joe Gallegher is OK to fly B-17s, and C-47s and in other episodes B-25s and P-51s and L-4s I wish I had that capability.
That bloody bloke.
the allies bombed these factories and later they moved everything underground and still continued to make "flying bombs" just not as many V2's as the V1's
The car used by the nazi officer is Renault Dauphine, manufacture of that car didn't start until 1956
I noticed that as well ! WTF !
Georges Slowik The Car came back in a time Machine to WW2!!
Picture Cars is what I do for movies for a living, and different things happen to cause stuff like this. With this one I can guarantee the conversation went, "we need a car that looks Swedish...hey...that one's perfect!" You'll explain to everyone it's wrong and why, and you'll get..."well...if I don't know what a WWII Swedish car really looks like...the audience won't either!"
I like this show for it's entertainment value but in this episode they start out talking about robot bombs (Buzz bombs) then show a V2 launching and going off-course, then at 4:55 they start calling a V2 a V1 while discussing rocketry.
A V1, as I'm sure most of us here know, is a flying bomb powered by a pulse jet, on the other hand a V2 is a true rocket. These sorts of mistakes by the writers and producers of the show kind of spoil it for me, you'd think that they could get their basic facts right before producing a show about a topic they clearly know little about.
P.S. and at 40:48 they appear to show a V1 being worked on, so maybe the producers meant V1's all along? So V2 footage was introduced simply for dramatic effect???
I noticed the same. This series is a bit cheap in some ways. Like the woman don´t want to have old fashioned 1940 hair. But I will watch all the episodes.
Yep I'll watch them all too and you're right about the hair styles.
When they went to color apparently costs went up per episode, plus there was an overall drive late in SE02 to cut costs which apparently just got worse in SE03. As to the V1/ V2 thing...they would've shot all the location and studio stuff and *then* padded it out with the stock footage during post-production, which was probably "just find us some footage showing the Nazis launching that stuff..." to cut in. Lazy.
I actually went to wikipedia because I started doubting myself too and thought I must have gotten something wrong about the V1 & V2 projects. Nope. It was the writers who created the fantasy. You know, it's just as easy to get this stuff right.
There is nothing in the show directly linking those two rockets together. One scene showed the Germans having problems with their launches, with later scenes showing the result of those problems - not necessarily that one problem.
¿A 1956 Renault Dauphine in the 2nd WW? What a mistake!
Frank Savaga is based on a real group commander ,the 306th bomb group .918bg comes from the 306bg ,USAAF 8th Airforce .306 *3 918th BG USAAF 8thAF time frame 1943
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He's a compilation of a few of the top brass men in the 8th, he is mostly based on one man but not entirely
looks like glen a larson wrote this one.
Yup, and Larson was noted throughout his career for pandering to the lowest common denominator in his entertainment attempts. The fact that his career (and series he developed in later years) were quite successful proved he was right, I guess.
Not one of the best episodes of the series in terms of storytelling. It's all over the place, which is surprising because Larson as a writer was generally one for tight scripts, almost to the point of them being from an assembly line.
The only TOH episode he wrote.
Oscar Goldman!
Apart from everything else, Anderson's character says the B-17 was designed to destroy factories. It was not. It was designed in 1934 when Japan was the principal enemy being considered and coastal defense of the Philippines, Hawaii, the Canal Zone and the West coast were the concerns. It was adapted into the strategic role.
Originally, yes. But the war fighting B-17's the E, F and G models were designed to wage strategic warfare. They were so different from the original B-17's they were not the same except superficially.
Also initially the air war via b17 in Europe was almost entirely strategical, its when the Brits started lighting cities up by night, and the US hammering the same ones by day, where it was more about general destruction, morale breaking and taking away simpler items needed like clothing, food and other things they could still mass produce by laborers and homes, small farms in those cities
“If you don’t shush up I’ll have to belt you one”. As a man that line is insulting and i really don’t think this was typical of men during that time. It takes an animal to “belt” a woman or even joke about it.
Damn it that was a V-2 not a V-1 "Doodlebug" they were watching liftoff...
Not hard to see why the show lost its appeal. I’ve been watch them in order and Frank Overton has not been in the last three episodes. They try to bring in interesting guest stars but they write convoluted episodes that don’t make much sense logically. Why would this mission be given to Gallagher, Kowalsky and Carmichael? None were suitable for a mission to recover only a timer and it was well know the V1 simply dropped randomly when it ran out of fuel. The V-2 could not fly to Sweden and land without severe damage.
In The epilog they show a few parts and the first assembly is identified as being produced in a foundry. A foundry may have produced the outer casing, but not the machined assembly. By 1967 even school kids, part of the younger audience they were trying to attract, were very knowledgeable about the US space program. Hell I was already building Estes rocket kits and though they did not have gyros and timers we would spot the flaws in an episode like this. Richard Anderson is a fine actor but plays a minor role. They strayed way to far from Gallagher’s and Kowalksky’s MOS. The tried to explain Carmichael’s experience in rocketry as an expert came from 2-3 years Experience as some sort of hobby.
They even tried put some flying in with a twin engine plane and embarrass Carmichael as unfit for flying a plane in which it was unlikely he was checked out in. Poor example of mission planning. And make us believe the Germans knew an American plane had followed them in on their glide path and conveniently the ‘secret airfield’ was just beyond, a few miles.
In the early section they show the launch control and normally they had Germans speaking German in episodes. Now they all speak English. And they tell us the rocket is going to Sweden a few seconds after launch. That rocket designer should have been executed on the spot, in Nazi Germany.
It’s OK to make a few uniform flubs or even put the incorrect German fighter planes in an episode but color or black & white it’s a crappy story construct that loses audiences. The show jumped the shark in this episode.
Yeah. They had more and more episodes that did not involve flying B-17's to bomb Germany and yes - this episode was poorly written.
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11:327 THE ROBOT BOMBS2 actually the V 2 rockets Wernher von Braun had developed for the Nazis. To this the move OPERATION CROSSBOW was good and the TIMELESS episode PARTY AT CASTLE VARLAR.
It is interesting that the American Government Public Relation had built up Wernher von Braun as a technical hero for decades before in more recent decades his past caught up to his biographical past.
A VW stamp on it : Can be, back in the Nazi days the VOLKSWAGEN GESESLLSCHAFT had been founded to built up secretly a motorised armed force for the German Reich, since this was forbidden for the Germans by the After War treaties
VW just became a truly civilian motorworks just after the War.
The screws on that noble door hasp at 43:20 must have been made in USA. (;
Starts of with a V2 going off course, they rescue a V1 . American history and missile recognition huh
hahaha ... seems to be a bit of confusion ... I noticed it right away. Oh well ...it's only TV
Yes,well,the V1 and V2 were real...they were just terror weapons but wreaked havoc! It was not a joke so don't act like it was...many thousands of people killed by these super weapons (of that time!)
*You know it's just a tv show for entertainment and not a educational documentary right jackass?*
The missile case is correct end of June 44 a missile landed in Sweden halfway between Stockholm and Kalmar.
Black and white was more fitting and believable.
The Americans didn't seem to care about black-out regulations in this programme.
"Redemption by death" is so trite.
Good to see that you added the LOL - imo it's trite in both directions.
Reducing yourself to cussing doesn't do your argument any good.
They've done this exact motif more times than I can count in this series.
@@chancewolf3739 You'd need all your fingers and toes, and even that might not be enough. Lazy writing in years 2 and 3.
They were holding off in season 3, they had to revert back to it at some point
drunk and he still managed to hit that fuse with one shot, but couldn't hit one Nazi ?
Never trust a gutless drunk.
4.57 V2 dude
They did show the V2 at he start,but at 4:57 the General called it a V-1
mark clark You're right Mark, not only do they show the launching of a V-2 rocket and call it a V-1 (cruisemistle) they also use the term Buzz-bomb after the sound a V-1 made. In the shed in Sweden a bomb is shown with what it looks like a sort of propellingdevice on top just as a V-1. BTW, a V-1 did not contain a timer but had a simple device, a kind of airdriven propellor. After a certain amound of turns, as the distance was reached, it just killed the fuelsupply and the bomb dived. Not very accurate fiction.
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Funny is that the RAF , NOT the USAAF took care of the V1 and V2s. Another silly episode! C47 Dakota in daylight? The Luftwaffe would have blown it out of the sky! Why not an RAF Mosquito at night? Where on earth is the Swedish Army?
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Dresden eh...BS!! Nothing there but German civilians. Some propaganda sneaking into this fine series...
Dresden was a major railroad hub. Also they wanted to demonstrate to the Russians that they would continue to support the Russian offensive by disrupting German transportation. There also may have been a desire to punish the Germans for refusing to do the sane and logical thing and quit fighting.
All I could think of when I heard they were going to to bomb Dresden was they are going to go bomb Kurt Vonnegut.
That was found to be untrue in some degree, Nazi Germany shouldn't get excuses, apologetics about such things, its an illegally instigated war out of delusional, racist, vain nationalism motives and not started by those trying to swiftly end it, so...
This is the exact same cockpit as the episode about killing Hitler. It's funny, I didn't know that C-47s had Heinkel cockpits. The continuity that goes on in this show is so awful. I don't know why I'm still watching it. Maybe just to look for things just like this? And the idea of a Group Commander running this mission is ludicrous.
You mean you didn't know that Heinkel often stole American designs?
BTW the DC-3 was a pre-war design , so the Germans had access to them
If you want to write the check to create an accurate Heinkel mock up be my guest, and 99% of the audience won't know the difference and won't care.
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