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She wasn't a trash character. She wasn't the leader, her brother was. She was obviously (being his sister) one of his closest allies, so when he died the rest of the rebellion looked to her as the person who was closest to their leader. She clearly is in way over her head and she decided on a short lived and short sighted revolution. It makes perfect sense.
For me she is the perfect representation.. of a psychopatic person who has been given power and is severely revenge driven.. so i really dont understand why people calling her character trash they are so closed minded..
I thought it was obvious when she was introduced that she didn't choose to be a leader, and had to pick up someone's leader role quickly. And yeah she's not the worst character but I feel like the writers really wanted to humanize the resistance but it didn't work (at least for me) because there wasn't enough time with them so I just didn't care about those characters, it seemed rushed and it probably was since they had to fit it into only two episodes and already had to cut most of the tunnels adventure.
I have to agree that Kathleen wasn't a good character and if the people wanted to select a leader why didn't they just select Perry! He had enough sense to ask her about possibly doing something with the hord of Zombies beneath their feet!!!
@@blacprophet1153 i think u just stereotyped kathleen of what a leader should look .. is it becoz of how she talks and acts? In a normal scenario of course 100% their are more suitable leader than her but.. in the story she is put on that position on a whim becoz she is the leaders sister.. its like a monarchial succession tbh becoz his brother is very charismatic.. and thats what the series is trying to portray her.. also even though she is a homicidal revenge driven maniac the people follow her leadership becoz she was able to overthrow fedra which her brother wasnt able to achieve as what Perry said
@@optimumpride7057 I was in the military and I was in charge of soldiers! So I have some Ideal of what a good leader looks like!! I was also a supervisor in the civilian world! I'm not someone who played a game and is trying to tell people what a leader is!
Y'all are overthinking Kathleen. Her brother was the leader but apparently he was very compassionate and unable to pull the trigger on the takeover. Once he was captured and killed, Kathleen, with the support of those who followed her brother and her need for vengeance, pulled that trigger that allowed the takeover. She didn't gaf so she wasn't afraid to sacrifice anyone or anything to get it done. She was able to organize them under that cause but had it gone on longer than the 2 weeks, she would have been overthrown eventually, not because she was a "soccer mom" (that's a misogynist take, sorry) but because she didn't have the group's interests and safety in mind. I think their high regard and respect for her brother combined with her burn it all down attitude, which allowed the revolution to suceed, is was what caused them to follow her, at least in the short term.
Exactly. I was on my way to the comments to something similar. She was basically the next in line.
Exactly. Well said.
Syntell misses the point where she wasn't a good leader,that's the whole point. That what leads to their downfall.In real life people who can draw up plans and come out with ideas doesn't necessarily mean they can lead people. Her brother was more of a leader,she was a planner on top of that she's wants revenge for her brother's being killed. They intentionally made it a point to show she wasn't a good leader. Listen to the podcast explaining each episode they warn you b4 the say spoilers
you have to remember she didn't lead the rebellion. Her Brother did and she inherited the position
And then she ran it ruthlessly and effectively, gaining the trust of the troops.
Only to then let it collapse all because of her short-sighted grudge against one guy.
@@ShayTheValiant which has nothing to do with Syntell's dumb cryticism of her character.
@@Jehphg I honestly could not take Kathleen seriously at all. She did not sound intimidating to me. She just sounded like a Karen.
@@ShayTheValiant a Karen with authority to have you killed is pretty troubling.
I came here mainly to see the Easter eggs but several times I kept asking myself if Syntell saw the same show that I did.
Seriously 😒🙄
22:24 He KNEW he didn't have that! He KNEW the bloater would kill him! That's why he told Kathleen to run and NOT LOOK BACK! Because he knew he was gonna be gruesomely murdered. He just wanted to save Kathleen, not himself.
but dumbo didnt run, she came back😩
@@thisisbadpanda I mean yeah, because she was obsessed with revenge. She couldn't let go and that did her in.
Kathleen was the sister of the guy everyone liked, that's how she got the position bc everyone wanted revenge and she promised that even after her brother told her to forgive
Charles Manson was able to build a cult outside of a zombie apocalypse. He sounded and looked like a wimp.
We have had leaders that don't looked or sounded the "part". The problem here is that some people are just looking for aesthetics.
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Regarding the Perry did the "dumbest thing possible" comment, I'd like to think this is Perry's first time seeing a Bloater too, just like the audience watching the show. He might've thought he'd be able to shoot it down. Bloaters are likely rare in this world so this being Perry's first time seeing one is plausible. That and his undying commitment to Katherine and Michael led to his sacrifice.
I probably wouldn't expect something to absorb a whole AR mag, I don't fault Perry at all for getting himself killed. The bloater was going to catch him either way.
He knew he was going to die. He loved kathleen and was trying to give her time to escape by sacrificing himself since he knew he was going to die anyway.
Someone didn’t pay attention. Her brother was the leader of the rebellion not her she took over when he got arrested and jailed.
Kathleen's brother was the leader of the Resistance so it makes sense that she got leadership role
No- I totally disagree. Does everyone automatically inherit a position when a leader dies? Based on the portrayal of the character, the leader should have come from within the existing group. She could have been a "soccer mom" as Syntell describes.
@@bbwng54 that is the point, in a post apocalyptic world, anyone can do anything.
@@bbwng54If her brother was this messiah figure and leader, it’s natural that when he died, everyone would look to Kathleen who’s next to her. They’re angry, she’s even more angry, it’s no wonder they would follow her because they want revenge just as much as she does. Her connection to her messiah brother and her revenge follows in line with how everyone feels so they follow her because she understands the loss and the anger and the desire to fight back and punish their enemies.
@@bbwng54it happens quite a lot with people in power. There’s more than one instance in recent US history where a member of congress dies and their widow is appointed or elected to their seat directly after. Mary Bono is one example
@@bbwng54 she was within group.
The fate of the little community in the tunnels is known, from what I remember in the game Joel finds a letter from one of the adults that says they locked themselves into a room with the children and the adult made the hard decision to kill the children so they wouldn't get infected, that letter instantly made the tunnel segment way darker and sad.
The show tells us that Kathleen’s brother was a good, capable, and ethical leader, the type of person everyone would follow. I can see Kathleen in the background being his assistant with moral ambiguities from losing her family to the outbreak. I can see her being the logistics genius behind her brothers ascent.
Fast forward to her brothers capture and subsequent murder, they make a martyr out of him. A focal point of United emotions strong enough to stir up the revolution. I can see Kathleen, with her need for revenge, exploiting some kind of weakness in FEDRA’S defense that was probably to underhanded and dirty a play to do under her brother, but with everyone now thirsty for blood, she could get Perry and his men to do it.
Also, there’s a good chance Perry was sleeping with her as well.
So she leads them to victory and for now she’s the “leader” by consequence, but the show demonstrates that her leadership is already in question. Out of respect for her brother and their recent victory, they’re giving her a chance, but I am 100% certain that, had they survived, she would have been dethroned.
Her need for revenge got them the win, they were just finishing the job with Henry, they never got to the point of even rebuilding.
About Kathleene, Syntell seems to miss some points about her. It's true, she isn't able to be a leader to this group, that is why they failed at the end, Jaby explained that very well. Everyone loved and followed Michael, her brother, he was a great leader and when Henry sold him to FEDRA everyone of those freedom fighters were hurt and angry. Kathleen at this point just acted as some sort of medium the people could focus on and who allowed everyone to go crazy on FEDRA, which lead to the revolution. I guess Perry (her right hand man whose actor acted as Tommy in the game) was the strategic brain behind it all, I think he could've overthrown FEDRA in that violant way earlier but Michael, with his forgiving nature, hold him back on that for the sake of saving lifes.
She lost her brother, someone who seemed to have represented love, security and beauty in her life, so when he died those things died as well. She does terrible, unforgivable things out of misguided love.
Henry on the other hand sold Michael to FEDRA for the chance of Sam getting better. Henry sold someone who could have managed a real revolution, a peaceful new beginning, everyone who died because of this revolution died because Henry did what he did. But he also did it for love, a desperate kind of love.
Don't get me wrong, what Kathleene does is terrible, she saw the sinkhole and propably knew about the infected underground, yet she still decided to ignore it. She killed a doctor, which is always stupid, especially in those times. She is a bad leader and she was never meant to be one, but circumstances put her in that place.
It's totally understandable that Melanie Lynskey talks about Kathleene the way she does. As an actor you have to find a way to connect with your character, even though that character does terrible things. So what Lynskey tweeted is her version of Kathleene, that doesn't mean it's the version Henry saw, or Joel saw or we saw. It's all about perspective, that and the beauty and horrors of love are actually the main theme of the games and the show.
Disagree, Perry said Kathleen was the strategic mastermind. Her brother was the charismatic leader that everyone flocked around and followed. But it was Kathleen' ruthlessness that overthrew Fedra. The guy is just focused on superficial look of Kathleen and her voice. Leaders come in all packages.
she is an administrator and strategist, when they lost their true leader she just put the right pieces in the right places for the takedown to happen, she would never be able to lead them longterm, but looking unassuming and presenting as this extremely feminine sweet person doesn;t make her any less cunning and intelligent. but you know misogyny will misogyny so
she looks like an embodiment of the last of us part 2. she probably was a good leader, until she got preoccupied with revenge.
@@phoenixrising8231 so true he just judge kathleen on the superficial look and the way her voice sounds like.. its like he is stereo typing what a leader should look like and i hate his reasoning so much on why he can say her character is trash.. it pissed me off
@@phoenixrising8231 , it is not just her voice though. All the dumb decisions and arguments she makes. She is not a leader, and leaders don't come in all packages. They usully have similar traits.
I think your complaints of Kathleen are pretty ridiculous. Just my two cents.
I think she was royalty on the eyes of those downtrodden people due to greatness of her brother.
There was also a little joke about the game. The moment when the sniper shot and Henry and Sam senselessly ran out of cover, only to return immediately. This is how Ellie behaved very often in the game. She was AI-controlled and she liked to do it. She ran out of cover, right in front of the enemy and then back again. 😁
Kathleen was a great leader for the revolution, not for what comes next. Her brother did not have the thirst for blood she had because of his death.
She did not choose the leadership role. But next to her brother, she was probably something like the mother of the people. Of course, everyone follows her. She is the closest thing to her brother, whom everyone loved. And all are united by revenge for this great man.
The one on the right complains that Bill got a wonderful story and Sam and Henry weren't changed enough? What kind of nonsense is this? Of course, a lot can be changed with Bill because you didn't really have much of him and Frank in the game. They even killed him. What is this? Henry and Sam got a huge backstory too... including Boss. She existed only for Henry. That didn't exist in the game at all. They were just there and died. Wtf.
But of course the "circle" must be served and injustices must be sought and found. Even if the two had just as much screentime than Bill and Frank.
I think Kathleen is exactly the kind of person that people would follow in that kind of situation. Not sone Tracy militant. But the mother next door that they all know and trust: The organizer, the person they don’t think will go over the edge. Think about the mist. Look what type of person hit people to do the crazy things in the store. To me Kathleen is the scariest type of leader.
I think the thing about the lady leading the overthrow was her brother was the actual leader and she took over out of anger /for revenge when he was betrayed and killed.
It's so sad because Ellie promised to stay with him, in his final moments. He turned alone. probably resisting the urge to attack Ellie.
We know Sam is deaf, he didn't hear Ellie's call after he tranformed. But yes, the reason he turned around and waited in the first place was probably because of resistance.
The reason we keep cutting away is also because although Joel is perceived as the main character, the actual main character of the series is Ellie
I think the whole point behind Kathleen is that she WANTS to be the awful, ruthless, calculated, tough leader (that we’re all used to) when in reality she isn’t. She’s just a woman grieving her brother in the way she thinks she should. You guys don’t SEE her as the leader because that’s the point!! As the audience we can clearly see that she isn’t the leader she thinks she is. Also, the people that are following her I feel like are simply doing so because of how much they loved her brother and because he originally was the leader. So naturally, it would make sense that she inherited the position - which as we’ve seen, didn’t last long AT ALL (something that we, as the audience, could’ve predicted).
Cathleen’s brother was the leader. With his death she was thrown into leadership. Her rage for the murder of her brother gave her leadership qualities to inspire her brother’s followers to overthrow Fedra, but her rage was also their demise b/c if they did not keep hunting Henry then they would not have been in the open when the infected struck.
Kathleen was a great revolutionary but a trash leader, while Michael was a trash revolutionary but a great leader. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT STORYLINE, SYNTELL.
He got me so frustrated, like did he even paid attention??
Kathleen was a terrible leader! More then likely she used the people's fear, pain, anger and hate to weaponized them! Kathleen and her military group only became another version Fedra! They were angry, ruthless, evil, violent and murderers! I don't know how people can't see that! You don't have to be a good leader to tap into people's hate and fear! We see to his everyday here in America!
Honestly I don't think she's really "leading the ppl" so much as she's leading perry, and perry's the one in control of the "troops", therefore he's sorta leading the ppl. Like Michael probs set the ground work or the rebellion but when he was killed, perry, I'm assuming was like 2nd in charge or close to him and Kathleen and him wanted revenge so they were able mobilize everyone from the rebellion and take over (possibly by using Michael as a matyr or "henry killed the leader of our revolution or our "savior" essentially) since he feels obligated to her I guess that's why he doesn't question her very stupid decisions.. I mean maybe. It would have been nice to see that, or what so called decisions she made to convince everyone, or at the very least perry, to do as she says to win over fedra.. or something setting up why perry still listens to her, cause again, I don't think it's her everyone 'listens' to so much as him.
Kathleen was the sister of the leader that everyone respected and liked but his leadership wasn't achieving anything. When he was killed that was the final straw that broke the camel's back. Kathleen came in and directed that anger in the direction that achieve what her brother could not. This is why they were following her. Given more time than 10 days I'm sure people would eventually stop following her but I completely understand why they were.
Jaby you talked about the final chapter where you think Ellie was innocent and didn't know what finding the cure would do to her but in the part 2 she tells Joel that her life would've meant something sacrificing for the humanity, so she did know about it afterall
at the end of the previous episode you could see in the close-up shot of Sam that there were no bullets in the revolver he was holding.
I disagree with Syntell regarding Henry & Sam. I didn’t expect any comparison between the Bill & Frank episode and this one. The writers decided to dedicate a complete stand alone episode to Bill & Frank’s story. That story spanned the whole 20 years of the apocalypse. Joel & Ellie were cameos in their own show. Episode 5 was different. There was so much going on. The writers had to combine progressing the journey of the main characters while fleshing out two subplots in one episode. The only way to do justice to everything would’ve been to make this episode 2 hours long. I agree that not enough focus was given to the Henry & Sam arc, but I felt their arc more in the show than I did in the game.
Kathleen didn't exactly lead the rebellion though, her brother did. After FEDRA got to him she was the obvious one next in thr chain of command. The rebellion was successful because of her brother's leadership and his eventual death that gave the rebels the emotional push to uproot the FEDRA authority.
I noticed that Kathleen asked “Is saving Sam worth….everything?” Because to her Michael was her everything. So she can’t see that Sam is Henry’s everything.
Well that's where you're mistaken. You think Kathleen brought together all these people and led this resistance?
You are flat wrong. She did not.
Her brother did.
And when her brother was killed by Fedra, the people put her in the position because she would rather have everybody murder the enemy than try and do it her brothers way.
That's why they made her their leader.
22:04 Jaby. Syntell. Did it ever cross your minds that Perry was just garden-variety sacrificing himself? It's the 'Taking The Bullet' trope but with a Bloater... was that not obvious??????????????
Damn...I read every word of every letter or book I pick up in any game. I can't fathom not doing that. Lol
You can tell that this episode broke Erik too..
She is not a good leader, she does not look like a leader, because she was not supposed to lead. Her brother was the leader but he was killed. So, she had to step up and try to fill his shoes. However, she failed miserably because she was driven by vengeance unlike her brother who only sought good for their people.
Are you guys seriously not understanding what a simple sacrifice is? Lol
Perry sacrificed himself. He told Kathleen to run because the Bloater had clocked him. He didn't run with her because the Bloater would've gotten them both.
He stood his ground and fired at the Bloater because a) no one knows that bullets are pretty useless unless they got way stronger firepower and b) with the infected focused on him, it gives Kathleen a better chance at escape.
It's a common sacrifice that happens all the freaking time in stories whenever someone sacrifices themselves.
And in the end his sacrifice was in vain as Kathleen couldn't help herself but go after Henry still.
It seems like everyone misses the subtext because it was {tangentially} shown, not told. Kathleen had power not only because she "inherited" the Hunters from her brother, but because she had guns behind her. When she and Perry were arguing after she "interviewed" the collaborators about hunting for Henry to the exclusion of everything else, Perry clearly had two choices. He could agree with Kathleen, or he could be kneeling on the concrete with the collaborators when the guys with guns came in. It was all subtext of how the discussion went, and how she phrased and toned her questions.
Feels a little weird to call her a Karen when her brother was literally murdered. I highly doubt we'd be calling a man that.
I don't think it's wrong to not love that subplot, but she's not someone who got mad about something not important.
She inherited the leader position and the motivation for avenging her brother is what got shit done.
let's be ffr she is totally a karen
@@cristinaolmos8403 So that makes John Wick a Karen. It's literally the same reasoning. He also puts plenty of people in danger because of his vendetta.
@@sarcasmxkate she was annoying as hell. And don’t start qith the “if she was a man you wouldn’t be calling her that” not everything is about gender, some people are annoying and some aren’t, simple as that
@@cristinaolmos8403 I'm not saying she's not annoying, but I'm saying the reasoning isn't something we've never seen before and more importantly, something we've actively rooted for before. Which is what makes her motivation not Karen-like. Just because she's annoying doesn't make her a Karen. A Karen is a Karen because of their motivations for doing unjust actions. Kathleen's motivation is something we would be rooting for had the show been about her. That's the difference. There's no reality where we would root for a Karen.
Is Jaby too young to remember 9-11??
Yall brought up some great points. It would've been nice to have a backstory on Henry and Sam.
perry probably never saw a bloater. and he did unload whatever was left in his mag and it just pissed it off.
the thing with human psychology, they tend to sympathize with the ones left behind by their heroes...in this case, Michael which Henry described as a great man....with Michael killed by FEDRA, his sister Kathleen was thrust into the leadership role by affinity, even though her leadership skills may look spotty.......that is why she is what she is and she is where she's at....Can you blame the recently victorious people following her if they did not notice her leadership qualities o lack thereof?
For me, Kathleen successfully overthrown the fedra because she was just really good at guilt-tripping and gaslighting people to do something for her.
Dudes, have you not seen people who are their nation's leader IRL. Kim Jong un is goofy looking guy but his whole family have an iron grip on their nation.
Perry confronting bloater was as stupid as Ellie not alerting Joel about Sam's bite mark, no way Ellie is that stupid in the game, also that scene was handled better in the game
I think it has more to do with her brother than her of why they follow her. 🤷
I disagree with syntel. We all thought veerappan looks diff when we didn't see his face. But after his face revealed like a beedi. Don't judge a person character with their voice or attitude. High attitude person can be coward.Nobody can be violent as women, just try to kill women child in front of her or kill. The vengeance and violent would last till her breath or your breath.
Syntell is very misogynistic and simple minded. Please don't have him back commenting on the show.
There is a lot of subtext in this show
Non-gamer perspective here: I was emotionally moved by both episodes - Bill and Frank as well as Henry and Sam. But I actually cried more in this one cause it was obviously sadder overall. Just sharing my perspective but I wonder how I would have felt if I had played the game. However, I see what you mean by a strawberry moment and I agree that some of Kathleen's screen time could have been trimmed. And yes, that kid who played Sam, just brilliant!
I think its important to remember that most of us are going to the show already with some attachment to the characters because we played the games so we end up wanting new stuff about them but we gotta remember that there's people who haven't played the game so the show needs to presents them and make viewers attach to the charactes, one example for me is Tess who we barely met in ep 2, nothing was presented, for someone that didnt played the game she looked like a tough woman that also could be a romantic interess to joel, but she just gets killed off, but because we go to the show with the Tess from the game in our minds, we end up not realizing that they barely presented her to us viewers
True, I haven't plalyed the game so I remember watching her death come so soon and thinking "what a waste"
About Kathleen her brother's death was the trigger that got the people their independence and Kathleen doesn't see that
I’ve never played the game & it heavily affected me
Syntell again with his silly and misguided takes on things. 🤦🏾♀️
Agree. Achara's takes are always far more educated.
original upload link is wrong jaby.
Kathleen got her power due to nepotism, people need someone to rally around, when her brother got put in jail people just rallied around her. and she used it to get revenge against Fedra and the collaborators. Which to be fair those people wanted anyway, she just channeled their fury.
Bit of a continuity error when Ellie lays down the pad the pen is laying on the pad then when Joel looks at it the pen is under the string
Couldn't make it through the vid...either yours or the one you were watching. Felt a lot of bias coming through, rough to watch for a usual fan.
You NEED to watch the movie Room.
So Syntel you are saying that Katherine is the soccer mom that transforms into a psychopath serial killer!! Sam and Henry were great in their prospective roles! So sad and heartbreaking! It does sound like the guy on the video got emotional! You could hear his voice cracking as if holding back tears! I couldn't hold mines back!
They said she is the younger sister to the leader Michael, who is like Joel when described by Kathleen, who is a natural leader and more of like a paternal figure than her older sibling.
Henry ratted him out, the leader of the St. Louis qz after overthrowing FEDRA and getting rid of the dictatorship-like totalitarian rule in the city, causing FEDRA to torture and kill him.
Kathleen was set up, and says in her episodes, that she isn't a proper leader and it's obvious all of this power fell to her since she was Michael's younger sister and next in line in ownership of their revolutionary group.
She is Joel, if Ellie were to die but more importantly; Kathleen is a character who foreshadows the future. Kathleen is an adult Abby.
This is who she has become; consumed by revenge, not thinking and making mistakes in the name of her own form of vengeance in order to get retribution for the death of her brother, Michael.
She isn't a leader and everyone pays for it and dies, who is a part of Kathleen's group from St. Louis, Missouri. Perry, as her right hand, would of been a better leader but is obviously infatuated with Kathleen and would do anything to please her. Kathleen's hubris and Perry's inaction caused the death of everyone in episodes 4 and 5, ultimately.
This is the purpose of Kathleen and the reasoning behind her appearance and justification of her presence in the series, within these 2 episodes. It's all there.
is it me or eric voss get emotional in this part 26:25
4:35 The character is supposed to be trashy and an absolute evil person. I know others have commented this, but calling her Karen and a "soccer mom" is not only misogynistic but also a complete misunderstanding of her character. Kathleen, for me, was far more scarier than other villains in the show. She didn't look or speak like a villain. However, she had this single-minded focus on getting revenge and was mowing down anyone or anything in her path. Thats absolutely scary. She wasn't trying to be a leader. She was using the loyalty that others had to her brother and their quest for revenge to serve her own purpose. Hence why she is extremely short-sighted and is not worried about her group's long-term survival. She doesn't even care about the cordyceps, when that's the one thing everyone should be worried about.
And the actress did a phenomenal job.
Kathleen's brother's death is what pushed the revolution not Kathleen. Perry is more like the leader, he's the one that people follows but for whatever reason he admires Kathleen and put her in place as their leader. That's their biggest mistake because Kathleen does not care about anything else but to exact her revenge. Even in the end where she could've save herself yet she knows she'll never be able to live if she hasn't seen Henry die too.
Kathleen gained power through nepotism.
I was expecting 20 more mins for episode 5 like 1 and 3 to build more backstory for Henry and Sam. I was really disappointed that they didn't do that when there wasn't a good reason not to do it. I could've done with less Kathleen and more of them. This story should've been stretched over episode 5 and 6 that way we got more story with Henry and Sam, as well as, see the connection between Michael and Kathleen to make you give a crap about her and her brother's death so you actually care more. Henry and Sam deserved more than what they got and they dropped the ball to me on that. Enjoyed the breakdown and reaction 👍👍✌ out.
I liked the episode but there were definitely character inconsistencies in the writing, and I wish we had more time with Sam and Henry so the impact of their story was stronger. Performances were great too.
Not every story ends with a happy ending.
Often leaders during wartime aren't necessarily equipped for peacetime. So that's probably it! I use wartime and peacetime very loosely here. Her tactics were obviously useful in overthrowing FEDRA which everybody wanted so they thought she would be a good leader even after the insurrection. But she wasn't.
That bald man and how he talks about Kathleen is proof that just because you appear on RUclips doesn't mean you'll always give sensible opinions.
The motivation was her brother was murdered
I think the bloater is kinda lame now that it doesn't throw explosive spores anymore. It's just a stronger clicker.
It's not unbelievable because she is the smartest person in the room and even though she looks like a soccer mom she is a mean, no-holds barred, SOB. Plus, her right hand man is a tough, crazy, powerful soldier who was possibly former FEDRA in the character Perry. Her brother, the former leader before being ratted out by collaborators to FEDRA was a saint who everyone loved and his death, which left Kathleen alone in the world, changed her forever for the worse. I can jeep going to show how wrong you are in regards to her character but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
if this was emotional? wait for next episode. we are gonna get the best and most emotional part of the last of us
Ppl in KC liked Michael, her brother. A lot. When he died by FEDRA, they looked at Kathleen & her anger and ire was all they needed to attack FEDRA. She was their inspiration. That type of inspo will buy an incompetent person some time. The lieutenants around Kathleen are what give her power. There's enough batshit Karens in Congress to show you that ppl will rally behind ppl that I wouldn't want to be leaders. I think the hyper-focus on Kathleen's leadership abilities is straying into toxicity. I mean, it already has spilled into that on Twitter. I see no reason to give that topic more of a spotlight. Her reign was bound to end because she wasn't looking out for the safety of the community. She was only interested in revenge.
If you think the blood scene in any way mitigates what happens in the last chapter, you are shockingly scientifically illiterate. 😂
So agree with Syntell with the development of Sam and Henry. The character of Kathleen annoyed me. Episode 3 still the most emotional one for me. Overall enjoyed this episode
Henry and Sam part in the show was better than the game. I think the problem was comparing it with Frank and Bill which was you guys comparing the show with itself.
Rather than shwish-swash its prematurely un-aliveing ones self
People don't always gravitate towards positive, good leaders who are charismatic in a time of crisis. They gravitate to people who can get stuff done, and sometimes who are the most outspoken. I mean, take Donald Trump for example. He's not a great guy, or a smart leader, or even charismatic, but he has a voice and he knows how to get a crowd all riled up. Perry even states that her brother, who was the leader of the rebellion, didn't change anything, Kathleen did. So, for good or bad, they chose her as their new leader, because she was decisive and employed violence to create the change that they all wanted. FEDRA must have been really bad for them to prefer Kathleen over them. But that is the world that they find themselves in. I wouldn't call her a trash character, just because you don't like her. You're supposed to not like her.
I respect the writers for making Kathleen an unlikeable character and nothing more, contrary to Abby. 💁🏼♂️
I have the opposite reaction to this episode than the Bill and Frank episode in the filmmaking aspect. Here, I thought they did everything right for Henry and Sam's story and how integral they are to Joel and Ellie. You can not cut or edit their story without losing continuity. In contrast, Bill and Frank’s love story, triumphant over all odds, were sentimental at best but can easily be truncated to just the letter and still not miss out on anything. Being gay, Bill and Frank’s story became a side note rather than what it was in the game where Bill influenced Ellie because she got to know him. Here in this episode, Ellie just brushed off Bill’s name like it was nothing when sharing food with Henry and Sam because she had no attachment to Bill.
So saying story is a no go in videos now?
Are u guys related
Through adoption iirc
My thoughts are exactly same like jaby and unlike the other coay
I disagree hard with Syntell.
stop shitting kathleen character, we do understand the motivations behind her actions.
I can under criticism and I enjoy hearing different opinions but please don’t have this guy on for TLOU related stuff again
She isn't the one who led the revolution, she is the one who became leader of the revenge. There's a difference. People didn't raly behind her coz he was good at this, she was the sister of the man who's death caused everyone to seek revenge and being his sister she became the default face of this revenge movement, this war. She kept reminding people why they were doing this.. not for justice anymore (which i assume why her brother was doing it) but for revenge.
You worry WAY too much about offending people jaby. Way too moch! It's annoying
Yeah
This might be a hot take, but I think Henry and Sam's send off and bonding with the audience wasn't as emotional because they made Sam deaf. They simply couldn't portray as much emotion/complexity when compared to two talking characters.
The guy on the right doesn't understand the purpose or symbolism or anything about the character of kathleen.
Sure call a woman a Karen. Just complete sexual prejudice.
People were murdered because they were believed to have been Muslim. That also happened
Kathleen is Joel. What do you suppose Joel would have done to Henry if Henry did to Tommy what he did to Kathleen's brother? You know the answer. & it would most likely be what you would do, if you're honest. Not gonna spoil, but would you judge Joel the same way you do Kathleen? If not, why not, b/c they're objectively equivalent situations. It's fine if you haven't yet figured out the central premise of the games/show. It's hard stuff. But it's glaring when you prioritize 1 evil over another b/c of some kind of favoritism. You miss the beauty & the difficulty when you do that. Please don't take this as judgement. I understand the knee-jerk. I just want people to push through that & go deeper. Otherwise, you are Kathleen. You are Joel. You are selfish.
At the end of the series Joel will become Henry. With his own Kathleen.
First comment me😊
Lmao
This video game series buries all of its lore in the collectibles and you guys don't even bother reading it
I agree with Syntell and even Jeremy Jahns mentioned it. She is very unbelievable as a leader.
I mean that's the point she isn't her brother was she just inherited that position from him after he died
Well thats the point that the best characters are the faulty, imperfect character. Idk why ppl call her a bad character, she acts exactly as she was written on paper, not everyone would be perfect leader in the real world
I loved and hated this episode! Kathleen WAS a proper bitch! so glad the kid took her out! I was even sadder watching
Sam die at Henrys hand 😢😢 Keep up the great work guys! and please stay safe!
Excelsior!
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