I've only just discovered your channel but the timing was perfect. Thanks to you I've been able to make an informed decision for choosing between two products. I see it's been a few months since your last video and I really do hope that you keep the channel going because your reviewing style so far is second to none. The videos might be a little long but you cut right through any hype or preconceptions surrounding a product. I can't wait to see what you've got to say about the Thrustmaster Warthog. Please, keep up the good work!
Hi, it's nice that you made this video! I have this whole Thrustmaster FCS HOTAS set of 3 parts in use. What bothered me about the TWCS Trottle for a long time was that it wasn't so smooth in the throttle function. The solution was to loosen the screw which adjust the pressure on the rails. What I find strange in this video is that you don't talk about it but only about the lubricant! I think this screw 'function' is the most important for the customer after buying this TWCS and noticing that the whole ground plate is sliding on the table with giving more / less thrust! I read a lot of reviews of customers and it seems that the smoothness of the throttle function is not out of the box equal for every device! For mine it needed adjustment but not yours because you didn't even talk about it in this video... Anyway, many thanks for your time and the video was very helpful for me in comparing the TWCS inside with mine!
Hey, I have the same issue. Bought silicone grease (made for plastics on to metal / plastic on to plastic). Works great now. However, it is missing the "notch" for the mid (50%) throttle..
Not to mention, there's even an extra hole in the bottom of the casing (see 20:43) that makes the tension screw accessible without having to open up the entire case! Lovely stuff.
Just wanted to say that I watched this last week (already own this hotas combo) and stumbled upon your recommendation to replace the throttle grease. Fantastic idea! Did that yesterday and the throttle is absolutely wonderful now.
Thanks for the disassembly vid and review! I was having some issues with my rocker rz input twitching causing problems with my yawing in DCS and your vid helped me figure what I needed to access the rocker portion with out removing other items unnecessarily.
Man, I'm enjoying this way more than I should. Top work. Especially regarding the older reviews as well. As in, stating personal bias and expectations from the product, stating facts about the product to convey whether or not it suits a certain set of preferences. I know I'm late to the party, but this definitely deserved a "Excellent work". Top stuff.
Thanks for this teardown. Gave me the confidence to tear apart my own TWCS and splice it on to a G940's throttle quadrant so it has double the buttons and axis. Seems to be working.
I really wish the comparison and extended use videos had been made. Where ever you are sir I want to Ttank you for making your videos. I wish you were still able to work on them. They have been some of the best HOTAS reviews and comparisions available.
Worth noting that this is about the only throttle on the market that's any good for HOTAM space sim users (at least until VKB eventually release theirs). This is because the rudder paddles can be used for roll, while the analogue stick gives you 2 axis strafe. Now if only it had a center detente for full range throttle use - however it's relatively cheap and can easily be taken apart to mod it. By the way CB we miss your wonderful hardware reviews I hope you will get back to it one day!
Personally I find I need the thumb dexterity more for accurately pushing one of the 3 d-pad/hat switches/extra button (13 buttons) than I need for the stick, I find the stick under finger does take a slight getting used to but is placed well. Throttle is the best piece of the system for button layout, imo. The stick part I think suffers from a lack of buttons accessable one handed, which you often are when using a HOTAS system where you have the throttle for the other hand. Without the throttle as a stand alone stick, its not TOO bad, but its sensitivity and smoothness are very nice
love the review, very in depth. companies should really hire you to examine their products because with your input i bet they could make some really solid controllers
Hi Baryon, Amazing and very thorough review! I also watched your CH Throttle review and find it very detailed. I currently have a CH Throttle and considering getting one of these as replacement. You did however raise a valid point in regards to the awkwardness of using the mini stick with the index finger. Do you think using the mini stick with the index finger can be a matter of practice? Do you feel that you can get used to do precision movements with the index while simultaneously using the throttle and the other buttons?
Thanks for the disassembly video. I wanted to swap the analog stick and uppermost pov stick so I could have my analog multi-directional throttle at my thumb rather than forefinger. Seeing them mounted to the pcb is a bummer, but it looks like there may be enough room for some fabricated mounting plates for those two sticks and I can just run some leads to their respective boards.
Thank you for this disasembly Video. I use my One daily 4 Elite, and i really like it. (specialy the analog Stick) So today i want to find out how well he is assembled. I find your Video: no more Questions. Thank you, it is very nice made. Kudos
Now owning this throttle and the TM16000M stick I can tell that the potentiometers for the Z axis do fail (signal is wiggeling around) on both devices after some time. You need to disassemble the potentiometer and clean its contacts to be able to use it again. Beside that the devices are great but I personally would buy something else after my experience with it.
did you ever get a problem where every time you reconnect the throttle with the rudder on the computer you get a crazy ratio of command on the pedals? like step just a bit and it apply full brake, move the rudder a little and it goes full until you repeat these movements sometimes? If so, how to solve it? Looked around without much success.
I bought the Nyogel 767a lubricant from a company in Oregon. It's called Oveready, and you can get it on their website under "lubricants", for $13 + shipping.
Re: the button on the little joystick, in the drivers for the throttle may be a setting that helps. (These throttles’ drivers are ridiculously bundled with the drivers for the *PEDALS, and the t.flight HOTAS series devices, the latter of which have a throttle already permanently connected via a cord to their throttle, rather than with the package which includes the t16000m’s driver!) In the driver settings is an option for a dead zone on that thumb stick. Why that setting isn’t in the T.A.R.G.E.T. software they gave us to set up these devices in all ways from simple mapping, turning off LEDs, etc. all the way up to the ability to write actual code for every input ourselves, is a mystery. Older video, but if I came across it, some others will also. Hope this helps.
Regarding calibration: the exact same thing happens with my Logitech F510 gamepad and my now broken X52. *This is normal.* That in effect IS calibration. I would compare it to collimating a telescope.
I know this is a old vid but do you have any advice to fix a very sticky analog stick on the front of the throttle? Thanks for the tear down vid. I tried spraying electrical contact cleaner and worked it in and it fixes it for like a day. Any advice would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
It has been a while. I too would love to see a follow up video of how he got used to the analog stick in the back of the throttle, as this is the main reason why I have held off on buying this product.
Yeah your reviews are fantastic. One of the few people who pull these things apart. And in the case of the CH gear, they really do need to be pulled apart so people can see how they're being ripped off. I hope you can get hold of some CH pedals. I'd like to hear what you have to say.
I'd love to see an update on this product. I'd like to pick up this HOTAS package because I already own a Logitech Extreme 3D pro and I'd love to have the option to use a HOTAS or HOSAS setup since I can change the T16000M to left handed and use it alongside the Logitech. I've been seeing reports of the slider degrading over time and would love to see your opinion on this. Very in depth disassembly! Thanks!
I know this video is old but I had to take mine apart as the grease inside had too much dust in it and just wasnt enough in the first place so the throttle movement was really jerky and would catch all the time trying to make smooth movementts was imposible. I took the whole rail system apart and cleaned off the old grease and put new grease one. I used SLick honey grease I use for my Mountain bike suspension which I know is safe for seals and I assume plastics. Works like butter now. Argh it was soo damn frustrating trying to use it before this. It seems this is a product that requres some maintenance since the system isnt sealed any dust etc. can and will get into the moving parts.
You are the only one to meticously and sequentially review these HOTAS, any plans or ROI to do the same with the Warth Hog? Just to make it clearer, you've reviewed every HOTAS I'm interested in except for that one.
I just got this throttle and every single axis returns perfectly to center. Did they update some firmware or something. I was expecting some jitter but there is none
Awesome review, shame that we never got to see your review of the stick. I own a t16000m and was looking forward to upgrade it for a Logitech x56 and wanted to see your opinions on it. Think it's worth the exchange? It costs almost double the price.
Great review, thx Baryon! I preordered it a week ago. I have to wait prob for 6 more "work days". That is what it says at the webshop. So, i'm counting the days ;-)
I'm so confused. I had a Saitek flight stick years and years ago. Now that I want to get back into flight sims and space stuff I am looking around and all I see are these plastic monsters that are at least $100 to get anything functional and at least $200 for anything functional and mildly less toylike. Is it so bad that I want something that just works and doesn't feel like a hollow plastic toy? (this is sort of a cry for recommendations)
the only thing I would change would be where the wire to the thottle handle goes. I'd run it along that arm that connects the pot to the throttle handle. That way it minimizes the movement of the wire.
Great review. Thanks for going the extra mile and stripping these apart like you do. I am thinking of creating a frankenstick from this throttle and a T16000m.... depends if I can mount that little microcontroller in the base of the throttle, in the base of the stick..... Do you think it would fit?
Thanks for the compliments! Technically the microcontroller means just the IC so of course it fits, but the overall PCB might be a challenge. It isn't made to fit in a T16000m and the mount points won't line up. It would require significant modding.
I am going to be doing this too, whenever they deliver it. On the Star Citizen hardware forum someone describes how he did it. He has some photos and descriptions. He mounted the PCB for the throttle by taking out the weights and using putty for a few standoffs for screws. Unfortunately he glosses over a few points. He disabled the twist in his but I would like to keep it. I cannot find a video of anyone dismantling the stick, not even the old one. When can we expect Part 2? PS- I have seen the 'button mod' video, and neither me nor youtube captions can make out what he is mumbling.
Okay heres my grabby throttle fix...I replaced the chrome steel rods with aluminum rods. No grease needed. Smooth as butter. It would seem that plastic and aluminum have a low friction when rubbed together. Your welcome.
Great Vid and Review Baryon. I just got mine yesterday. everything feels great with this HOTAS and have been using it for Elite Dangerous. Could you give me some advice on what I could use to lubricate the throttle rails + potentiometer handle? I'm expecting with use the lubricants would wear down. Thanks
They are of the common conductive type; a conductive base inside the rubber dome makes contact with PCB traces to complete the circuit. Not capacitive.
Hey great videos my fav to watch as far as reviews go you go to a completely other level of indepth and i enjoy it. I was wondering when your video on target software was gonna come out.
Do you think you could map the slider inversely, and make do with a "DIY" Left handed throttle? And just get used to the buttons being where they are over time? (The best thing about the T1600 was its Left-Handed capability - it's a real shame they didn't continue with this design ethos with the throttle - as the 'throttle' slider on the original T1600 was BY FAR the worst aspect of the flight-stick imo - so loose and wonky!) :S
I don't use my T.16000M FCS stick anymore because of the throttle slider which was interfering the yaw function of the stick. Very annoyable with helicopters. So the yaw of the stick and the throttle slider didn't work well together. I didn't use the functions anymore for a while but then I bought a better stick! With its own software of Thrustmaster I started noticing this malfunction. At the end I must say that I am not impressed at all by quality of this whole set. On Reddit you can read a lot of problems concerning this set. For me it was better to spend a little bit more money for real quality from start for my flight simulators. I use now the VKBsim Gladiator MKII Flight Stick (SKU: VKBSIM-S-GL-MK2-STD-001).
Great review as always, I have this throttle and it's awesome but I'm using mouse with right hand still at the moment because I'm not a fan of any of the sticks out there (at least none of the ones you can buy seperately). Maybe I will get a Warthog standalone stick if it's ever at a reasonable price. Anyway I just wanted to say my POV hat makes the same noise in all directions so it must be something with the unit you reviewed. Also worth pointing out you can set deadzones and nicely customisable curves on the T.A.R.G.E.T software. I found the rudder paddles a bit sensitive so I set it to have a nice curve and now and now I can do better precision rolling in Elite Dangerous with it.
how do you maintain this product, what kind of grease do you use ? any brand of silicon grease is fine for this ? please advise and thanks for disassembly tutorial.
Thanks for the video, I have this Throttle, but after 4 weeks use it kinda sticks in many positions. The slide is not smooth. what kinda grease would you recommend for on the metal slide sticks?
You may have already taken care of the sticking, but I opened mine up and re-greased it with NyoGel 760G Synthetic. I then tweaked the tension screw and the action is buttery smooth now.
Good review. Thank you! I'm using an old Thrustmaster T.Flight Stick X and I'm wondering if I could just use this one with the FCS HOTAS. Are they compatible? I don't want to replace my Joystick since it's working just fine and I'm very happy with it's feels and handling.
Really? I thought the TFlight X H.O.T.A.S X was the first joystick that you could strafe left and right(Yes, thats right it has a rocker switch too I guess you should actually check it out and do a review on it ) ,move forward and backward, pitch up and down and turn left and right with ok 12 butons which is low but that you can use on either the PC and PS3 that you could use without footpedals since the Saitek X45 and the Thrustmaster Afterburner?
It still uses a pot as the axis? whats stopping me from just getting some slide pots and tearing apart my secondary Logitech wheel and just rebuilding that as a hotas? motivation? Yea, lets go with that.
Thx for the great in in depth review. I have been looking forward to this throttle for DCS, Arma and Star Citizen. So did you apply better grease to the rails to see whether the last bit of initial movement friction would disappear? Secondly, i hoped to be able to forego extra pedals for a while since it has this awesome big springloaded rocker in the front. Do you think this allows decent enough analog yaw control for something like dcs planes? The twist of my t.16000m kinda does not cut it there.
Haven't tried regreasing yet. I'm going to do a series of videos on some simple mods for various products including this one, and regreasing will be a recurring theme. I have several greases I'll review for this, including an over the counter silicone grease (basically equivalent to what it already has), Nyogel 767a (the gold standard for flight sim gear), and Nyogel 760g (cheaper and more readily available tjam 767a, not made specifically for this use but good to see if it can provide a budget option for a good grease). I do like the rocker more than the twist on the joystick since it has no bleed issues, although I've mapped it to forward/reverse strafing rather than yaw. Crazy thing is the default FCS HOTAS bindings E:D has out of the box don't even use it in normal flight, just for left/right tab in interfaces! Quite a waste.
Charmed Baryon since you had opened the throttle and pointed out that the mini joysticks placement in front was rather poor, do you think it can be moved to the side/thumbs position e.g. exchange position with one of the 8 way heads? For space games (star citizen) it would be great to put rotate on the big grey rocker on the throttle, but then u could not really simultaneously use the mini joystick with your index finger for vertical/horizontal strafing.
Charmed Baryon Looking forward to this video on modding and regreasing. I have this HOTAS on order and am always interested in maximizing the effectiveness of any gear that I use.
great vid m8 very knowledgable and helpful looking forward to your review of the t1600m stick ,it wouldbe great if you could find time to do a full Hotas setup on the software too. ps for Star Citizen woulbe great pls
From what I understand, a potentiometer translates linear or rotary motion to an electrical signal, think of something like a volume slider, and the sliding bit rotates just that part as if it was pushing against a lever.
Concerning the buttons: Do you dislike rubber domes because of the feel or because you've found they have shorter wear life than cheap tac switches? The only rubber dome type switch I'm familiar with would be those found in game console controllers like a Nintendo, which seem to last quite a while to my perception.
The software is still in progress and actually being rewritten as a new product, so the clock is still ticking. What you see here probably took ~5 day, but has was killed shortly after. A rewrite is in progress, which makes this a general programmable user mode IO driver (basically something like CH Control Manager or TARGET but a lot more powerful and vendor independent). The version seen here is written in C# on the .NET platform. The next gen version is in C++/Qt, has a much improved UI, and is cross-platform (Windows and Linux targetted for version 1, Mac to be added in version 2). Everything will be released to the public under an open source license when it's ready. I will have some software (and hardware) related product announcements in the future where I will discuss details.
Charmed Baryon Nice! Thanks for the informative response. I assume your writing the software by yourself and if so that's awesome as a beginner programmer I really appreciate the time and effort it takes to make stuff from scratch being new making anything like this right now is a bit far off. Keep up the good work.
This one, i've had mine for 3-4 weeks, that's about how long you can use a X52 pro before sending it back. I wanted a X52 pro or a X56 but i have had Saitek gear before and was a bit wary about the quality. To no surprise a few Google searches later confirmed my worries. Saitek still has no clue how to do simple QA or do soldering.
Now *that's* how you review a product
And you actually know what you're talking about! Brilliant
It is so refreshing to see someone intelligent review a product in a clear, non-biased and informative way. THANK YOU!
Found this extremely helpful after my throttle had a broken wire and I needed to take it all apart for the repair. Thanks mate
I've been needing to re-grease my throttle but was afraid I wouldn't know what i'd find when i began unscrewing things. Thank you for the review!
I've only just discovered your channel but the timing was perfect. Thanks to you I've been able to make an informed decision for choosing between two products. I see it's been a few months since your last video and I really do hope that you keep the channel going because your reviewing style so far is second to none. The videos might be a little long but you cut right through any hype or preconceptions surrounding a product. I can't wait to see what you've got to say about the Thrustmaster Warthog.
Please, keep up the good work!
Hi, it's nice that you made this video! I have this whole Thrustmaster FCS HOTAS set of 3 parts in use. What bothered me about the TWCS Trottle for a long time was that it wasn't so smooth in the throttle function. The solution was to loosen the screw which adjust the pressure on the rails. What I find strange in this video is that you don't talk about it but only about the lubricant! I think this screw 'function' is the most important for the customer after buying this TWCS and noticing that the whole ground plate is sliding on the table with giving more / less thrust! I read a lot of reviews of customers and it seems that the smoothness of the throttle function is not out of the box equal for every device! For mine it needed adjustment but not yours because you didn't even talk about it in this video... Anyway, many thanks for your time and the video was very helpful for me in comparing the TWCS inside with mine!
Hey, I have the same issue. Bought silicone grease (made for plastics on to metal / plastic on to plastic). Works great now. However, it is missing the "notch" for the mid (50%) throttle..
Not to mention, there's even an extra hole in the bottom of the casing (see 20:43) that makes the tension screw accessible without having to open up the entire case! Lovely stuff.
Just wanted to say that I watched this last week (already own this hotas combo) and stumbled upon your recommendation to replace the throttle grease. Fantastic idea! Did that yesterday and the throttle is absolutely wonderful now.
You also "KNOCKED OUTY OF THE PARK" Best review I think I've ever seen on RUclips .
Thanks for the disassembly vid and review! I was having some issues with my rocker rz input twitching causing problems with my yawing in DCS and your vid helped me figure what I needed to access the rocker portion with out removing other items unnecessarily.
Man, I'm enjoying this way more than I should. Top work. Especially regarding the older reviews as well. As in, stating personal bias and expectations from the product, stating facts about the product to convey whether or not it suits a certain set of preferences. I know I'm late to the party, but this definitely deserved a "Excellent work". Top stuff.
Thanks for this teardown. Gave me the confidence to tear apart my own TWCS and splice it on to a G940's throttle quadrant so it has double the buttons and axis. Seems to be working.
@Charmed Baryon I'm sorry you stopped making vids. Your reviews were superb.
Excellent, acurate, and reliable review. Amazing job, thank you very much.
Where's part two? These review/teardowns are way too good to leave us hanging!
I really wish the comparison and extended use videos had been made. Where ever you are sir I want to Ttank you for making your videos. I wish you were still able to work on them. They have been some of the best HOTAS reviews and comparisions available.
Worth noting that this is about the only throttle on the market that's any good for HOTAM space sim users (at least until VKB eventually release theirs). This is because the rudder paddles can be used for roll, while the analogue stick gives you 2 axis strafe. Now if only it had a center detente for full range throttle use - however it's relatively cheap and can easily be taken apart to mod it. By the way CB we miss your wonderful hardware reviews I hope you will get back to it one day!
Personally I find I need the thumb dexterity more for accurately pushing one of the 3 d-pad/hat switches/extra button (13 buttons) than I need for the stick, I find the stick under finger does take a slight getting used to but is placed well. Throttle is the best piece of the system for button layout, imo. The stick part I think suffers from a lack of buttons accessable one handed, which you often are when using a HOTAS system where you have the throttle for the other hand. Without the throttle as a stand alone stick, its not TOO bad, but its sensitivity and smoothness are very nice
love the review, very in depth. companies should really hire you to examine their products because with your input i bet they could make some really solid controllers
Thansk a lot about that review. The 'small' dead zone for the little analog stig makes this much more interesting then the CH throttle.
AHA!! A man with a Scarlett as WELL as the TWS!! A man after me own heart!!
Hi Baryon,
Amazing and very thorough review! I also watched your CH Throttle review and find it very detailed.
I currently have a CH Throttle and considering getting one of these as replacement.
You did however raise a valid point in regards to the awkwardness of using the mini stick with the index finger.
Do you think using the mini stick with the index finger can be a matter of practice? Do you feel that you can get used to do precision movements with the index while simultaneously using the throttle and the other buttons?
I like how in depth your videos are, It would be nice, to see some more. :)
Thanks for the disassembly video.
I wanted to swap the analog stick and uppermost pov stick so I could have my analog multi-directional throttle at my thumb rather than forefinger.
Seeing them mounted to the pcb is a bummer, but it looks like there may be enough room for some fabricated mounting plates for those two sticks and I can just run some leads to their respective boards.
Thank you for this disasembly Video.
I use my One daily 4 Elite, and i really like it. (specialy the analog Stick)
So today i want to find out how well he is assembled.
I find your Video: no more Questions.
Thank you, it is very nice made.
Kudos
Thanks for this, I've been waiting on a proper review before deciding between this and the CH Pro and this makes it pretty cut and dried ;)
thank you very much for all the effort you put into these reviews
Now owning this throttle and the TM16000M stick I can tell that the potentiometers for the Z axis do fail (signal is wiggeling around) on both devices after some time.
You need to disassemble the potentiometer and clean its contacts to be able to use it again.
Beside that the devices are great but I personally would buy something else after my experience with it.
Incredibly detailed review, thank you so much for doing this
did you ever get a problem where every time you reconnect the throttle with the rudder on the computer you get a crazy ratio of command on the pedals? like step just a bit and it apply full brake, move the rudder a little and it goes full until you repeat these movements sometimes? If so, how to solve it? Looked around without much success.
I bought the Nyogel 767a lubricant from a company in Oregon. It's called Oveready, and you can get it on their website under "lubricants", for $13 + shipping.
Thanks! Saved me from buying the giant tube for like $35-$40
Best review of this product, good job very informative.
Very nice and thorough review, also oddly relaxing!
Great video! Few questions. With the rails did you reapply the grease? And did you change out the buttons or leave them be?
just got mine and its marvelous solid and steady.
I desperately want to know, can the analog stick be swapped out with one of the POV switches on the thumb area.
Re: the button on the little joystick, in the drivers for the throttle may be a setting that helps.
(These throttles’ drivers are ridiculously bundled with the drivers for the *PEDALS, and the t.flight HOTAS series devices, the latter of which have a throttle already permanently connected via a cord to their throttle, rather than with the package which includes the t16000m’s driver!)
In the driver settings is an option for a dead zone on that thumb stick.
Why that setting isn’t in the T.A.R.G.E.T. software they gave us to set up these devices in all ways from simple mapping, turning off LEDs, etc. all the way up to the ability to write actual code for every input ourselves,
is a mystery.
Older video, but if I came across it, some others will also. Hope this helps.
Really nice work! I threw up a hack review a couple days ago myself and agree on many points. Subbed for sure thank you :)
Regarding calibration: the exact same thing happens with my Logitech F510 gamepad and my now broken X52. *This is normal.* That in effect IS calibration. I would compare it to collimating a telescope.
I know this is a old vid but do you have any advice to fix a very sticky analog stick on the front of the throttle? Thanks for the tear down vid. I tried spraying electrical contact cleaner and worked it in and it fixes it for like a day. Any advice would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
Thanks for the thorough review. I will be ordering one shortly!
It's been 4 years. Have the calibration issues been fixed over the years? I just bought these HOTAS used from a guy.
Did you not do a review on the joystick? I couldn't find it on your channel.
great review. i hope to see more of them and the one month later
It has been a while.
I too would love to see a follow up video of how he got used to the analog stick in the back of the throttle, as this is the main reason why I have held off on buying this product.
Yeah your reviews are fantastic. One of the few people who pull these things apart. And in the case of the CH gear, they really do need to be pulled apart so people can see how they're being ripped off. I hope you can get hold of some CH pedals. I'd like to hear what you have to say.
I'd love to see an update on this product. I'd like to pick up this HOTAS package because I already own a Logitech Extreme 3D pro and I'd love to have the option to use a HOTAS or HOSAS setup since I can change the T16000M to left handed and use it alongside the Logitech.
I've been seeing reports of the slider degrading over time and would love to see your opinion on this. Very in depth disassembly! Thanks!
I know this video is old but I had to take mine apart as the grease inside had too much dust in it and just wasnt enough in the first place so the throttle movement was really jerky and would catch all the time trying to make smooth movementts was imposible.
I took the whole rail system apart and cleaned off the old grease and put new grease one. I used SLick honey grease I use for my Mountain bike suspension which I know is safe for seals and I assume plastics.
Works like butter now. Argh it was soo damn frustrating trying to use it before this. It seems this is a product that requres some maintenance since the system isnt sealed any dust etc. can and will get into the moving parts.
What grease would you recommend for the throttle? Mine is getting a little sticky and I want to smooth it up a bit.
You should go Nyogel 767A. Day and Night, for all your joysticks, Throttle, rudder..
Zipper grease, comes in a stick like a bigger chapstick, safe for metal and plastic.
what software is that ? the one you use to test the axis
You are the only one to meticously and sequentially review these HOTAS, any plans or ROI to do the same with the Warth Hog? Just to make it clearer, you've reviewed every HOTAS I'm interested in except for that one.
would you know how to replace the rocker pedal´s potentiometer? Mine recently started to jitter pretty badly, to the point of it being unusable...
I just got this throttle and every single axis returns perfectly to center. Did they update some firmware or something. I was expecting some jitter but there is none
thanks for the video reviews they have helped me make my decision .
Awesome review, shame that we never got to see your review of the stick. I own a t16000m and was looking forward to upgrade it for a Logitech x56 and wanted to see your opinions on it. Think it's worth the exchange? It costs almost double the price.
Great review, thx Baryon! I preordered it a week ago. I have to wait prob for 6 more "work days". That is what it says at the webshop. So, i'm counting the days ;-)
awsome test, and that software looks very promessing, keeping your channel to get updates on that :)
I'm so confused. I had a Saitek flight stick years and years ago. Now that I want to get back into flight sims and space stuff I am looking around and all I see are these plastic monsters that are at least $100 to get anything functional and at least $200 for anything functional and mildly less toylike.
Is it so bad that I want something that just works and doesn't feel like a hollow plastic toy? (this is sort of a cry for recommendations)
Now that Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 is out, you can't get ANY flight stick, throttle, yoke, rudders, e.t.c. Every product is sold out.
@@DerekMoore82 welp. Glad I bought a stick 8 months ago :P
the only thing I would change would be where the wire to the thottle handle goes.
I'd run it along that arm that connects the pot to the throttle handle.
That way it minimizes the movement of the wire.
Great review. Thanks for going the extra mile and stripping these apart like you do. I am thinking of creating a frankenstick from this throttle and a T16000m.... depends if I can mount that little microcontroller in the base of the throttle, in the base of the stick..... Do you think it would fit?
Thanks for the compliments! Technically the microcontroller means just the IC so of course it fits, but the overall PCB might be a challenge. It isn't made to fit in a T16000m and the mount points won't line up. It would require significant modding.
Nimrod77 I think I have what you are looking for: reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/5dozpj/the_insane_t16000m_button_mod/
GG Pureawesomness! i plan on doing something similar myself .
I am going to be doing this too, whenever they deliver it. On the Star Citizen hardware forum someone describes how he did it. He has some photos and descriptions. He mounted the PCB for the throttle by taking out the weights and using putty for a few standoffs for screws. Unfortunately he glosses over a few points. He disabled the twist in his but I would like to keep it. I cannot find a video of anyone dismantling the stick, not even the old one. When can we expect Part 2?
PS- I have seen the 'button mod' video, and neither me nor youtube captions can make out what he is mumbling.
@@computerman4321 "You need a dremel instead of napalm or whatever you used! If you got the wiring right it's a huge mod though. Very nice." rofl
can you remove the spring on the rocker? say for a prop pitch axis?
what software are you using and can you use it to set dead-zones?
6:05 what is the program called?
Okay heres my grabby throttle fix...I replaced the chrome steel rods with aluminum rods. No grease needed.
Smooth as butter. It would seem that plastic and aluminum have a low friction when rubbed together. Your welcome.
Great Vid and Review Baryon. I just got mine yesterday. everything feels great with this HOTAS and have been using it for Elite Dangerous. Could you give me some advice on what I could use to lubricate the throttle rails + potentiometer handle? I'm expecting with use the lubricants would wear down. Thanks
quick question about the rubber dome switches: are they the crappy TV remote control type with the contact patch, or are they capacitive?
They are of the common conductive type; a conductive base inside the rubber dome makes contact with PCB traces to complete the circuit. Not capacitive.
It would be great to watch a TM Warthog FULL review and dissasembly mate!!
hi guys! Does anyone know for a fact if the throttle rocker can be used as buttons instead of axis?
Well, you just got another sub. Fantastic review!
Hey great videos my fav to watch as far as reviews go you go to a completely other level of indepth and i enjoy it. I was wondering when your video on target software was gonna come out.
Do you think you could map the slider inversely, and make do with a "DIY" Left handed throttle?
And just get used to the buttons being where they are over time? (The best thing about the T1600 was its Left-Handed capability - it's a real shame they didn't continue with this design ethos with the throttle - as the 'throttle' slider on the original T1600 was BY FAR the worst aspect of the flight-stick imo - so loose and wonky!) :S
I don't use my T.16000M FCS stick anymore because of the throttle slider which was interfering the yaw function of the stick. Very annoyable with helicopters. So the yaw of the stick and the throttle slider didn't work well together. I didn't use the functions anymore for a while but then I bought a better stick! With its own software of Thrustmaster I started noticing this malfunction. At the end I must say that I am not impressed at all by quality of this whole set. On Reddit you can read a lot of problems concerning this set. For me it was better to spend a little bit more money for real quality from start for my flight simulators. I use now the VKBsim Gladiator MKII Flight Stick (SKU: VKBSIM-S-GL-MK2-STD-001).
Great review! What software are you using in the function part of the video?
Great review as always, I have this throttle and it's awesome but I'm using mouse with right hand still at the moment because I'm not a fan of any of the sticks out there (at least none of the ones you can buy seperately). Maybe I will get a Warthog standalone stick if it's ever at a reasonable price. Anyway I just wanted to say my POV hat makes the same noise in all directions so it must be something with the unit you reviewed. Also worth pointing out you can set deadzones and nicely customisable curves on the T.A.R.G.E.T software. I found the rudder paddles a bit sensitive so I set it to have a nice curve and now and now I can do better precision rolling in Elite Dangerous with it.
how do you maintain this product, what kind of grease do you use ? any brand of silicon grease is fine for this ? please advise and thanks for disassembly tutorial.
Zipper grease I found to be best, comes in a big stick like a big chapstick, safe for plastic and metal.
So jealous mate still not showing available here in the UK...
You can buy them now on Ebay / Amazon
What is this software you're using? I would BUY it, looks sick for diagnosing DIY shit...
Thanks for the video, I have this Throttle, but after 4 weeks use it kinda sticks in many positions. The slide is not smooth. what kinda grease would you recommend for on the metal slide sticks?
You may have already taken care of the sticking, but I opened mine up and re-greased it with NyoGel 760G Synthetic. I then tweaked the tension screw and the action is buttery smooth now.
Thanks Shane Webb, Ill try
Good review. Thank you!
I'm using an old Thrustmaster T.Flight Stick X and I'm wondering if I could just use this one with the FCS HOTAS.
Are they compatible?
I don't want to replace my Joystick since it's working just fine and I'm very happy with it's feels and handling.
They are
Just found this video today, sad to see you've dropped off of youtube. I hope everything's okay in Baryon-land
Excellent review. Keep em coming.
Thank you.Just ordered mine today.
Is vdc on the board 5v or 3.3?
anyone got any ideas how to add a center detent to the throttle for forward reverse thrust applications
Really? I thought the TFlight X H.O.T.A.S X was the first joystick that you could strafe left and right(Yes, thats right it has a rocker switch too I guess you should actually check it out and do a review on it ) ,move forward and backward, pitch up and down and turn left and right with ok 12 butons which is low but that you can use on either the PC and PS3 that you could use without footpedals since the Saitek X45 and the Thrustmaster Afterburner?
Excellent review!
I wonder what software are you using to analyze the input from the devices.
He wrote the software himself.
Never got a 1 month update?
which software are you using
It still uses a pot as the axis? whats stopping me from just getting some slide pots and tearing apart my secondary Logitech wheel and just rebuilding that as a hotas? motivation? Yea, lets go with that.
Hi, Which software are you using to test the functions of the joystick pls ?
Thx for the great in in depth review. I have been looking forward to this throttle for DCS, Arma and Star Citizen. So did you apply better grease to the rails to see whether the last bit of initial movement friction would disappear? Secondly, i hoped to be able to forego extra pedals for a while since it has this awesome big springloaded rocker in the front. Do you think this allows decent enough analog yaw control for something like dcs planes? The twist of my t.16000m kinda does not cut it there.
Haven't tried regreasing yet. I'm going to do a series of videos on some simple mods for various products including this one, and regreasing will be a recurring theme. I have several greases I'll review for this, including an over the counter silicone grease (basically equivalent to what it already has), Nyogel 767a (the gold standard for flight sim gear), and Nyogel 760g (cheaper and more readily available tjam 767a, not made specifically for this use but good to see if it can provide a budget option for a good grease).
I do like the rocker more than the twist on the joystick since it has no bleed issues, although I've mapped it to forward/reverse strafing rather than yaw. Crazy thing is the default FCS HOTAS bindings E:D has out of the box don't even use it in normal flight, just for left/right tab in interfaces! Quite a waste.
Charmed Baryon You likely to do one for TFRP? My unit isn't terrible but still I'd like to improve them a little.
Charmed Baryon since you had opened the throttle and pointed out that the mini joysticks placement in front was rather poor, do you think it can be moved to the side/thumbs position e.g. exchange position with one of the 8 way heads? For space games (star citizen) it would be great to put rotate on the big grey rocker on the throttle, but then u could not really simultaneously use the mini joystick with your index finger for vertical/horizontal strafing.
Charmed Baryon Looking forward to this video on modding and regreasing. I have this HOTAS on order and am always interested in maximizing the effectiveness of any gear that I use.
Just wondering if you ended up getting this throttle, I interested in getting it for the exact same games DCS, SC, IL2 and alike
Hey can you address the third hat switch on the bottom thumb position? What are those wacky spikes?! :) I'm new to all this.
great vid m8 very knowledgable and helpful looking forward to your review of the t1600m stick ,it wouldbe great if you could find time to do a full Hotas setup on the software too. ps for Star Citizen woulbe great pls
Is there a link to Part 2
it is a very helpful video for DIY
those are autocalibrated , as you use them they use the greatest value as you say . i made my own , you can use whatever , it just autocalibrates .
Why do you call the main throttle sensor a potentiometer? Is it not a magnetic sensor?
From what I understand, a potentiometer translates linear or rotary motion to an electrical signal, think of something like a volume slider, and the sliding bit rotates just that part as if it was pushing against a lever.
Awesome analysis. Facts are wonderful things when making decisions.
I appreciate your service. Not trying to be pushy here, but how far out is Part 2?
I think he'd died 2 years ago or something. Never mind, I went to his Twitter and he's posting regularly. Guess he's just ignoring us.
Concerning the buttons: Do you dislike rubber domes because of the feel or because you've found they have shorter wear life than cheap tac switches?
The only rubber dome type switch I'm familiar with would be those found in game console controllers like a Nintendo, which seem to last quite a while to my perception.
Nice review. How long did it take you to make the software? What language(s)? I'm curious.
The software is still in progress and actually being rewritten as a new product, so the clock is still ticking. What you see here probably took ~5 day, but has was killed shortly after. A rewrite is in progress, which makes this a general programmable user mode IO driver (basically something like CH Control Manager or TARGET but a lot more powerful and vendor independent). The version seen here is written in C# on the .NET platform. The next gen version is in C++/Qt, has a much improved UI, and is cross-platform (Windows and Linux targetted for version 1, Mac to be added in version 2). Everything will be released to the public under an open source license when it's ready.
I will have some software (and hardware) related product announcements in the future where I will discuss details.
Charmed Baryon Nice! Thanks for the informative response. I assume your writing the software by yourself and if so that's awesome as a beginner programmer I really appreciate the time and effort it takes to make stuff from scratch being new making anything like this right now is a bit far off. Keep up the good work.
X56 or this one?
Great review, thank you very much.
the slew hat feels quite cheap compared to my thrustmaster xbox controller, would be neat if you could just swap one of those in
I cannot decide between this one and the X52 pro for elite dangerous. I miss the sci fi look on this one.
SengirShowsU buy this one for sure!
This one, i've had mine for 3-4 weeks, that's about how long you can use a X52 pro before sending it back. I wanted a X52 pro or a X56 but i have had Saitek gear before and was a bit wary about the quality. To no surprise a few Google searches later confirmed my worries. Saitek still has no clue how to do simple QA or do soldering.