An End-grain Spalted Bowl
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- I turn a bowl from a very spalted piece of log cut-off. The wood is very soft and doesn't turn well. On top of that, I make a bit of a mess of the finishing. Other than that, everything's good.
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I nearly cried when you dyed it, it was so beautiful before...
I like the red dye on spalted wood. This piece had a lot of white rot in it, which wasn’t that attractive. Thanks for watching, Gerda.
I cried when the dye was applied. That beautiful grain deserves a clear finish.
The spalting was nice, but there was also a lot of white rot showing. Thanks for watching!
I always enjoy your videos. Especially the tool mounted camera. It helps while I’m learning. Thank you!
Thanks for watching, Greg!
Turned out OK, but I have to admit I cringed when you put that dye on that beautiful spalted wood.
Honestly, it didn’t look that good to me. There was some white rot in addition to the spalting. The red dye disguised that. Thanks for watching, Mark.
I've had a few spalted, spongy wood like this and once I had the basic shape of the bowl I used a brush and covered it with 2 part epoxy. Then finished it and it came out great. Thanks for the video!
That would have done! Thanks for watching, Harry.
I love that you mention the frustration and the mess ups. I get so frustrated at my work at times and some of these vids by pros always make it look like it always goes well, even when we all know that things get messed up on the lathe. Thanks for such a realistic video. Makes me want to go play with the spalted birch I have sitting around.
Thank you.
Great job !! I would have tried to show more of the spalting but it's your project !! We learn by trial and error. Still a darned nice looking bowl !! Thanks for the video ! I'll be looking forward to more !!
Thanks for watching and commenting, Lone Wolf.
Sorry but painting it completely ruined it for me,it looked so beautiful natural.
The interior did not look good, with that severely torn grain. That was the main reason I put the dye on it. Thanks for watching, Les.
Yeah, the spalting was a sin to cover.
Agreed!!!
In two minds whether the red improves or detracts but either way beautiful work
I agree. I would have liked to see it with a clear coat.
That spalting was amazing. My heart broke when you covered it with die.
I like red-dyed spalted wood - I’ve done several bowls that way. The spalting still shows through. But I’ve had a lot fo comments from people who don’t like it. Thanks for watching, cozyfox.
It seems a lot of people don’t like the dye, but I think it’s a FANTASTIC color. Beautiful! Maybe, since spalting is apparently desirable, you can put in on a piece with uninteresting natural grain.
I like that red dye even on spalted wood - the spalting still shows through, unless I put the dye on too heavy. Thanks for watching, Serricott.
i think it looked amazing. never criticise a decision that was made without you being there :) we do what we think is right. the shape of that bowl was fantastic.
Thank you, Matt.
Rick, disappointed that you didn't leave the pedestal, I that would add real interest to the bowl.
Thanks for watching, John.
Thanks for sticking with it to the end. Not an easy project. Inspired by your skill.
Thank you for your nice comment, Ed.
For a brief period, I was actually planning to buy a lathe. I haven't turned a piece in many years, but I really wanted to start turning some pieces. THEN, after see bowl video number 13,471 it hit me: the world now has enough wood bowls. Thank you, Rick, and all the others posting videos of their latest bowl. Collectively, you have shown me the limited use for a lathe in a home workshop. Now I can forget the lathe and ponder the question: WHAT DOES EVERYONE DO WITH ALL THE WOOD BOWLS?
“The journey is the reward.”
I'm fairly new to turning and have much to learn. I came accross a small bit of spalted poplar last year and ended up turning quite a few mini ornamental birdhouses. Love the spalted look, I used polyurethane finish on them. I'm sure that as I learn and experiance differant woods I'll probably ruin some perfectly good pieces, LOL....Thank you for sharing your talent with those of us just starting out on the woodturning experiance. Personnaly, I love the piece, quite stunning.....
I’ve ruined quite a few good pieces of wood! Thanks for watching, James.
Rick, these "tool cam" shots are very helpful. Really shows your specific techniques. So educational!
Thank you very much, Rex. I love the ultra-closeups!
Most beautiful bowl. That grain!!! I love watching your videos
Thank you, Annchen.
It looks beautiful- the purple with the black spalting is amazing TY!!
Thank you, Clay.
I appreciate how you explain every step of you work. Make it so much more interesting. Like most other viewers I do not love the dying of the wood especially the softer wood with the beautiful graining. It did not ended up too bad, but I think you would not do that again. Great job!
Some people liked the dye job, some didn't. That piece of wood had a lot of white rot in it, which did not look at all attractive. Thanks for watching, David.
I guess I am the weird one here. I like the color and the shape of bowl. At least I learned something. Thanks for the video.
Thank you, Glasscutr. I’ve done several red-dyed spalted wood bowls I like the red and the spalting still shows through.
Agree with those who were sad to see the dye. The spalting is so beautiful in its own right
Some people like it, some don't. The spalting still shows through the dye. The wood had a lot of white rot, which I wanted to obscure. Thanks for watching, Kyle.
RickTurns I’m sure you’re right. Hard to see the beauty of the bowl from the small screen! I am a new turner, so not much experience with how to handle different wood features. One thing is that I have a very hard time when turning a bowl getting the end grain portion of the bowl to match the finish quality of the long grain on the side of the bowl. The side grain is beautiful and I can get a great finish but the end grain always looks more rough... Any suggestions?
That is a general problem with turning soft wood, either spalted or just naturally soft like pine. First thing to try is to take very light cuts - a shear scraping cut is best. That might do it on the outside of a bowl, but on the inside, it is very difficult to do a shear scrape. What I have done with some success is to coat the end grain with a sanding sealer before making the finishing cuts. As always, of course, make sure your tools are very sharp when you start the finishing cuts. Hope that helps!
Just found this. I have some spalted birch that has been sitting for a number of years and it was really punky but had very interesting grain. I tried everything to get a smooth finish but what seemed to work was Minwax wood hardener. I slopped it on with a chip brush and let it dry. The wood now would turn with a minimum of tear using carbide scrapers. There was a marked difference in the hardness of the wood from dark to light so the surface was not perfectly flat but instead it was slightly rippled, like a small wave, but I was able to get it down smooth with sandpaper.
I didn’t know Minwax made a wood hardener - I’ll look into it. Thanks for letting me know.
I liked the color. I get what u were trying to do. Not every turn produces an art piece 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting, Brad.
As punky as that was, I believe I would have used the tailstock especially during the initial rounding of the piece. As usual it turned out well! Good job, keep them coming, I always enjoy your work
You're right, I should have used the tail stock, at least until I got it more or less balanced.
I like how you are using the scraper on the outside rick! I am going to try it !
Thanks for watching, EA. Shear scraping is great. You can also do it with a swept-back ground bowl gouge.
Thanks Rick for showing the good and the bad . I appreciate the fact that you continued with the project , knowing damn well it was not turning out well. I am new to turning and have been wondering why everyone always takes out the piff . I see now why. Terrible tear out? Thanks Rick
Thanks for watching, Mr B.
Appreciate the candid remarks about lacquer. I'm about to embark on that journey - I'll have to try it out on some scrap before I go live.
Let me know how the lacquer turns out for you, Jimmie.
Didn't care for the die but I am love with the wood . I have a couple letter openers I made and a small heart. I just love the crazy onyx lines
A lot of people didn't like the dye, but then, a lot of other people did. I really like that deep red over spalted wood - the spalting still shows through. Thanks for watching and commenting, Terry.
I was glad to watch you turn the end grain chunk because I have 2 hickory pieces like that and I have been reluctant to put the whole piece on my lathe.
Good luck with them, Carol. Thanks for watching.
Camera on the tool gave us an amazing shot.
I hear you can strengthen punky wood by applying acetone with 15 minute epoxy.
Thank you, Robert.
I’m psyched. I came here to see if the spalted birch I was turning was normal with the way it was turning. Kinda punky, coming off in dust and splinters, tearing out. Looks exactly the same midway through the project. Thanks for the video and your time.
I always get tearout on spalted wood, no matter what tool or technique I use. Thanks for watching, Elwood.
Good job Rick on a very pretty but obstinate piece of wood. If I might make a couple of extra comments. You might want to consider removing your watch when you turn as it can become a hazard if caught by a spinning object. When you changed to a scraper on the inside of the vessel you didn't change the position of your tool rest and as such the audience could see a lot of vibration in your tool. Try keeping the tool rest as close to your object, even if you have to change positions frequently. It will make for more stability and hopefully a better cut. Lastly that piece of wood had so much going on with it, like grain pattern and color, I also feel the dye was overkill and just some oil or poly would have been my choice. But then again it's only wood, there's lots of it because it grows on trees. Keep making chips!!
You're right about the watch. I've made more of any effort recently to take my watch off - I video the act of removing it, and that helps me to remember. Thanks for the feedback, Finn.
Nice work Rick
Thank you!
Looks real good!
Thank you, Greg.
I like the dye. I understand your frustration. Sometimes what we see in our minds eye is not what becomes our hand's work. An exercise in growth.
Thank you, Jeremy.
Would have been gorgeous without the horrible die!! You are very talented but a piece of wood like that should show itself of, WITHOUT die.
I've made several bowls with dye on the inside or outside...I like the added color. On this piece of wood, the bottom of the bowl had so much tearout that I decided to put on the dye, trying to conceal the damage. Thanks for watching,Kobus.
@@RickTurnsWoodturning as beautiful as the natural outside was, do you think an epoxy coat inside would work?
That is beautiful.
Thank you, Anna.
Great job, beautiful bowl. There will always be those who would have done it differently. To those I would say, "Your talk is cheap. Show me."
Thank you, Dustin. Yes, I’ve had a lot of comments on how I shouldn’t have put any dye on it.
Great Video 👍🏿
Thank you, Victor.
That was a tough piece of wood to turn and finish. All in all it looks pretty darn good from here. 😆 Thanks for sharing. Take care, Steve
Thanks, Steve.
Experience is what you have after the thing has happened. 😊 Best regards.
LOL! That's for sure! Thanks for watching, Lois.
Very good video , love the different camera shots , the bowl looks okay , I'm not a big fan of spaulted wood ,.....yet . Love your videos thanks for sharing. -CJ
Thank you for watching and commenting, CJ.
Best tool for cleaning up the torn grain is sandpaper. Can be a royal pain but so worth the time and effort. Love spalted wood!
Thanks, Gary. I considered sandpaper, but the grain inside was so severely torn, I didn't think I could do it even with 80 grit paper.
Nice looking bowl! You should have left the bottom on. I think it looked pretty cool! Maybe next time. Keep up the good work my friend!
Thanks for watching, T.
The color is amazing.
Thank you, James.
The imperfections is what makes it beautiful. Not really crazy about the color but still a very nice piece of work.
Thank you, Roberta.
I think you did a fine job! It looks beautiful
Thank you, Chet.
Rick, It's a very pretty bowl even with the dye. I really like rotten wood. Nature made the wood rotten and I would have let nature have its way.
Thanks for watching, Don.
No idea why everyone is complaining about the dye. I think it looks amazing
Thank you, Rawc - I like it too.
I did the sameas mark regarding the finish. In the end that bowl turned out nice. As far as the use of your tools, the way you use them is a matter of opinion. What you worked well.
Thank you!
Live and learn, it’s what we do!
Thanks for watching, Craig.
It turned out good for such a punky piece!
Thanks, Mike!
He really knows what he's doing
Thanks for watching, Matthew.
I have seen videos of people using wood stabilizers on full pieces of wood before turning . If you did this before your final turn , it may come out smoother
That would probably have worked. I’ve never bought any wood stabilizer, because it’s kind of expensive. Thanks for the suggestion, Buford.
Great job dude, that bowl looks awesome!
Thank you!
have you tried stabilizng the wood before turning.. i know very little about turning but use stabilized wood for knife handles.. stabilizing makes the wood significantly harder
Yes, using a stabilization liquid would have helped immensely, I believe. However, that stuff is expensive, and it would have taken a lot of it. And I didnt' have any and didn't want to buy any. Thanks for watching, Ron.
Don’t listen to them Rick it looks great. Keep it up.
Thank you, Mike.
Air angle grinder with a 60 grit pad would have smoothed all that out, taken all the torn grain away. I have done it with punky wood and torn grain like this and rescued the bowl from the fireplace.
I’ll try that out - thanks.
I turn a lot of out of round wood pieces. and find supporting the end with a live center helps a lot
I should have done that here. I intended to do so, but in the confusion of getting the cameras and lights set up, I forgot. Thanks for watching and commenting, Jim.
Really enjoyed this. While the bowl was beautiful before dye, it was obviously flawed. Rick did a good job of explaining that and the frustration of the lacquer, though it would have been nice to see a bit of the frustration on camera. I get the most from when you don't get things perfect, Rick. As always, great video.
Thank you, Bright Forge.
Ha ha ...I like very much your depth gage , so simple ,so effect , I will make one like that . the bowl look very good with finishing .
Thank, rr.
Hated to see that spalted wood covered with the dye like others said. Perhaps after dying, sand down just a bit more. I can see the spalting through the dye which gives the dye a clear look. I high shine would really make it pop. Give it that old fashioned "candy apple" paint look.
It would taken a lot of sanding on the inside of the bowl. Thanks for watching, Suzette.
I love that wood, it’ll be a beautiful bowl
Thank you, Pat.
This was a beautiful bowl but the dye didn’t do it justice. I would have put clear stain or a little dark tint. The bottom was cool too.
Thank you, Taylor.
Great camera work and really like your project!
Greg
Thanks for watching, Greg, and thanks for all your comments.
Hey Rick,
That still came out really pretty! I turned a bowl last week which was from wood recovered from a major landslide area, the whole thing rather represented chaos with a large chunk missing from one side, worm holes now filled with walnut dust and about a can of Minwax wood hardener. No matter what, there just was no having clean cuts on the endgrain :)
For lacquer, take a gander at Wyomingwoodturner, Sam Angelo who is a big fan of it. Sometimes quite a few coats and lots (and lots) of sanding / wet sanding up through grits around 3000. Seems rather counter-intuitive to sand down to a dull haze, but when it hits the buffer, whoa baby!!
Take care,
- Bill
Thanks for the suggestion on the lacquer, Bill. I have watched some of Sam Angelo's lacquer videos now, and certainly should have before I started trying to use it. I was hoping to find a finish that is faster than my 4-6 coats of wiping varnish. Since lacquer dries so fast, I thought it might be the answer. Now I'm not sure!
One thing I've been wanting to try is an acrylic floor polish. Model builders are using what used to be "Future" as a clear coat applied undiluted with an airbrush. It's got a leveling agent to help with the constant finish part and it does look quite good from what I've seen. May only be suitable for display pieces, I wouldn't think it durable enough to eat off of or make a child's toy. The quest continues!! :)
But still turned out beautiful.
Thank you, Donald.
I know you're probably tired of hearing this, but I have to put my two cents in the pot. I had much higher hopes for your bowl than what you ended up with. Now, decidedly I'm not there to inspect the wood first hand and therefore not able to give a fully informed assessment of your work, but imho, I feel you're blaming the condition of the wood for being more of the problem than it was. Thruthfully, this is one turn I think I'd kept to myself. Not going to lie, I've fubared my fair share of projects over the years also. As the saying goes, "we live we learn, everything else gets run thru the chipper". Keep turning away, I enjoy your work. Well, most of it anyway. 👍☺
Thanks for your comments, Steve.
Nice bowl, Rick. I think the dye looks good with the spalting.
It's a pity that the wood that has the most character presents so many challenges.
Thanks, Barry.
Like myself, you’re probably your own worst critic. I think it’s beautiful.
Thank you, Tom.
Rick, Please be very careful with a faceplate and screws into end grain with no tailstock support. Screws do not hold well in end grain.....Sam
Thanks, Sam. You're absolutely right, of course. I usually bring the tailstock up, but sometimes I'm fiddling with the cameras too much and I forgot.
Rick how did you like that Nova Lathe? I know this video is a couple years old and you use a different one now with your videos.
I had the Nova Galaxi on loan from Teknatool for about 5-6 months, to do a video review. However, I ran into so many problems with it (a few major, most minor) that I declined to do the review, and I returned the machine to them. I think they have a problem with quality control. Thanks for watching, Warren.
I use lacquer all the time but on most pieces I start it off with a couple coats sanding sealer.
Nice turn
Sanding sealer - got it! I didn't do that this time, although I started with a 1:1 mix of lacquer and lacquer thinner.
Ya, i don't think that would be good.
Very nice. Love spalted wood. How do you like the Nova DVR?
I used the Nova Galaxi lathe for about five months. It was on loan to me from Teknatool, to do a review. But I ran into a number of problems with it, most small, but several quite serious, requiring a new headstock and a new tailstock to be shipped from the manufacturer. So I returned the lathe to Teknatool without doing a review. I can't recommend it.
Thanks fir the information. You might have saved me from lots of frustration.
Félicitations pour ton travail j adore ♥
Thanks for watching, Jean Paul.
You did great considering the problems you encountered
Thanks for watching and for your comment, Allen.
Looking good 👍🏼
Thank you, Tomas.
The pedestal inspired me to try one...its all personal taste. I'm not sure covering up that spalt was just a matter of taste. Still, a good video.
Thank you, David. That spalting was also a lot of white rot, and just didn’t look good.
Muy hermoso trabajo!! Creo se Iva a ver feo con la tinta!! Se ve genial..!! Saludos
Muchas gracias, Carlos. (Esto fue traducido con Google Translate - ¡espero que salga significativo!)
What about the pith ?Aren’t you concerned about future splitting around the pith.
Good question, Noel. On this piece of wood, it wasn’t an issue, because the wood was dry as a bone and very old. It’s a wonder it hadn’t split all to hell before I ever got it. I have seen other videos on RUclips turning end grain blanks that appear to be completely fresh, and I wonder how they prevent splitting, or just ignore it, or what. I have done turnings on fresh green wood, and I can usually avoid splitting problems by turning the sides thin (1/4” or less) and making the bottom thin (no more than 1/2”) - that has worked for me on tall vases. On bowls, I usually rough the piece to 1” or so side and bottom thickness, then put it in my drying box for a week or so, then re-turn it to final size.
If it was turned the other direction there wouldn't have been as much tear out, right?
Meaning turned so you aren't tearing out end grain...
The tear out in the bottom of the bowl wouldn’t be affected by the direction of rotation, I think. On this piece the wood was very soft and I wasn’t have much luck with getting a clean cut. Maybe I would have done better with a bottom gouge. Thanks for watching, Justin.
Wish you had left the failed finnishing in, we often learn more from seeing what and why something fails. Thank you for the video. For what it's worth I use a lacquer oil rub that works great if you want a high gloss finish.
Thanks for watching, Jay. I'd like to know more about your lacquer finishing. What oil do you use and how much? Do you put it on with the work spinning on the lathe?
@@RickTurnsWoodturning good morning Rick. I use deft lacquer, but I don't think brand matters. There are a couple of ways to go. Try mixing some oil (I prefer walnut, but any oil will do) and lacquer. Start with 1 part oil to 4 parts lacquer then adjust to how you like the feel as you apply while turning. The other method I like is to apply lacquer to the work then with oil on a rag wipe while turning. The oil serves as a lubricant. Let me know if you like it.
Use cactus juice and a suction the close container all the cactus juice into the wood and dry then work the would
I considered cactus juice but it’s too expensive, and when I started on the project, the wood actually didn’t look worth much. Thanks for the information, Kenneth.
yep, it was gorgeous natural. You could sand that terrible dye off, down to fresh wood and put it in wood hardener in a vacuum and then turn it. No more tarring grain and with epoxy finish You wont get one bad comment. Spalted woods should always be natural in my opinion. thanks for your time
I like red color on spalted wood - the spalting still shows through. A lot of people don’t like it though. Thanks for watching, Sur.
Fantastic...!!!
Thank you!
Initially, I agreed with the other folks about the dye BUT that being said, I wasn't there to see the torn grain. It didn't look too bad on camera, but often the camera hides imperfections we'd see if we were there in person. You are a great craftsman and you would know. You said the wood was soft. Was it porous enough to allow a very thin resin to soak in?
Resin would have worked, but it wasn’t really worth expending more time on. Thanks for watching, Andrew.
Why cover all that spalting, it is now just a bowl , nothing special. Just a good coating of walnut oil and you would have had a fantastic bowl .
I like the red dye on spalted wood. The spalting still shows through. Thanks for watching, John.
@@RickTurnsWoodturning You are right if you like it then what can I say as I have to agree we turn and colour for ourselves and who am I to comment on what you like I apologize for being so rude Rick
You got that right
I really like it.
Thank you, Jackie.
Turned out pretty, though I prefer the natural coloring. I know it wasn't as you'd have liked it, but you made a silk purse out if that sow's ear, no mistake! Was there enough voids to infuse with acrylic before turning? Thanks for sharing this on👍🏼
It could probably have been rendered stable with something like CactusJuice (which I have never used). I don't think there were enough voids for something thicker like epoxy to penetrate and stabilize the wood. Thanks for watching, DL.
@@RickTurnsWoodturning not familiar with cactus juice for stabilizing (clicks open new browser)...must...investigate.... ;-) thanks again for sharing your experience with it!
The dye blew it for me. I really liked it natural probably with an oil finish.
Some people don’t like the dye. I like the red over the spalting - the dark lines still show through. Thanks for watching, Doug.
Why in the world did you dye it? The wood was soft but the grain was very special before you covered it up!
The spalting still showed through. I like the red dyed wood. A lot of people had the same criticism as you, however. Thanks for watching , Nina.
Have you ever stabilized wood? It would have taken care of all that torn grain. Awesome bowl none the less.
No, I have never done any wood stabilization. This would certainly have been a good candidate. Thanks for watching, Frank.
yep
How are you not getting massive catches using that scraper on the inside?
I put my scraper anywhere near a situation like that and it wants to get sucks in and take a huge dig.
Keeping the cutting end of the scraper tilted down will prevent catches, usually. Thanks for watching, Ash.
Epoxy, maybe 3 coats, would have really made thatpeice pop! I really enjoy your close up filming. Also like knowing the speed u r turning. I have a lot of that softer spalted wood and I have a tough time with it.
Thanks for watching and commenting, Aubrey.
0:03 - 0:07
Man! that reminded me of :
*Welcome to chilis* 👍 *:D*
Thanks for watching, Aadesh
It did not need that dye. Completely ruined a nice bowl.
I get that a lot. But I also get comments from a lot of people who do like. I like the red dye over spalted wood - the spalting still show through. Thanks for watching, Robert.
Rick, while I don't turn, CPES would stabilize this level of spalting and even the rotted areas. The epoxy would have allowed a rigid blank in my experience- not that its an inexpensive material. I've tapped rotted wood and used bolts directly into the rot- after soaking with "enough" CPES- but it wasn't a low cost solution!
I don't care for the red dye on the nearly perfect maple spalt lines, but that's just taste. CPES would have made a more successful bowl in my view.
Thanks for the tip on the CPES (which I have never heard of - I've have to take a look). Thanks for watching, Keven.
Ficou bom .
Mas ficou muito forte esse vermelho .
Natural ficaria bom também.
Obrigado por seus comentários. Eu gosto do vermelho na madeira spalted, mas muitas pessoas não gostam. Esse pedaço de madeira tinha muita podridão branca, o que não parecia bom, então usei o corante vermelho para escondê-lo. (Tradução pelo Google Translate, espero que faça sentido.)
Use the water with the die. Water will help it to flow better
The dye was water-based, I believe. Thanks for watching, Pat.
Why waste a nicely spalted piece of wood by covering it with red paint?
It was dye, not paint. The spalting still showed through, and I like that look. I have gotten a lot comments like yours - a number of people don’t like the dye. That piece of wood, however, had a lot of white rot, and it didn’t look ghat good close up. Thanks for watching, Lamar.