thanks for this very nice presentation, and for emphasizing the importance of teaching the theory of forms in schools. I am not a philosopher , but I happened to write a book about the theory of mind and I mentioned the importance of Plato ' s theory. the name of the book is the social brain, an operator ' manual. Muhammad Al-Ado I never presented it to any philosopher yet. thanks again.
Do i understand it correctly if i say it is kinda like the matrix? Neo lives in the cave(matrix). He is not living in reality but in a computer simulated world. Then he comes in contact with Morpheus who gets him out of the matrix and he understands that he has been living in a computer simulated world and now sees reality as it is.
It's a bit like the matrix, yes - at the surface level. But, remember what the reality is for Plato. It's not ultimately the material objects, which is as far as the matrix goes
Right, because concepts like beauty and justice in the movie are the same inside of the matrix as they are outside of the matrix. In the cave beauty and justice are also projections on the wall. We can kinda see justice, but not real true justice, it is more like looking at a projection of justice. So that is what the prisoners in the cave are looking at, but if they would realise that they where just where looking at shadows they would stop doing it and search for the true source of justice witch is the form. And Plato thinks we can get to see the true form of knowledge by using our reasoning and education, but first we need to realise that we are not looking at the truth and we need to love the truth. That is intresting. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question, i think i understand it better now.
I think it is like the matrix, when you don't think you are in it, you are. When you know you are in it, you no longer are. The mind is the cave, and will forever be the cave until we see the light that lights up our heart.
Using your videos to study for my philosophy midterm, as a comp sci student who has only taken technical classes, philosophy comes off as interesting but as extremely difficult for me when it comes to writing answers and essays. Thanks!
To me it sounds like enlightenment, and like the conception of God as the single being that is the universe and every part of it is that single consciousness experiencing itself, Advaita Vedanta type of stuff.
You are right. I don't think that the "professor" understands the text as well as you do. Stick with your interpretation, the "doctor professor" is manipulating the shadows on the wall. All his titles give him authority to do so., And keep you blinded. He thinks he is not in the cave. It's impossible to be in this world and not be in the cave. We all start of in the cave, only the ones that come out recognise it, the rest pretends that it is an "allegory". The ones that come out spot the pretenders. Sorry, professor doctor and the rest....
Awesome tutorial! If we make the assumption that someone who gets free from his chains never gets out of his own cave without being able to experience the intelligible world, could we also say that he has just moved to his second "mode of knowledge", which is "the formulation of his own opinions and beliefs" (Pistis)? This might also be the case since once he is liberated from his own chains, he discovers the fire (as a real visible object) burning and has his first explanation of the image of the fire cast on the cave wall in the form of a shadow...and all of these thoughts of his are still taking place in the realm of the material world !!
I wouldn't identify grasping the world above, an analogy to the world of forms, with pistis. Nor would I say "formulation of his own opinions and beliefs" is pistis either, since belief can just be taking on those already there in one's own culture. Plato doesn't say that the prisoner sees the fire, or the puppeteers for that matter, but I suppose we could assume that he does, perhaps on his way back down
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thanks for this very nice presentation, and for emphasizing the importance of teaching the theory of forms in schools. I am not a philosopher , but I happened to write a book about the theory of mind and I mentioned the importance of Plato ' s theory.
the name of the book is
the social brain, an operator ' manual. Muhammad Al-Ado
I never presented it to any philosopher yet.
thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed it
You did so well explaining this, thank you so much.
You’re welcome
Yay! More Plato!
We'll have a few more on Plato coming, and then I've got to get to Aristotle, Arendt, Cicero and others - I'm shooting material for my Spring classes
This was so great, thank you for your help!!!
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It helps me a lot to understand Book 7 of Plato, the Republic. Thanks!
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Thanks for this video , helps to understand the concept more efficiently.
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This made me start to really look into Plato's work. Very interesting. Thanks
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Thanks for the breakdown of Plato's work
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Really enjoying your lectures! Keep up the great work :)
Thanks! Will do
your videos are wonderful, thank you(:
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Oh shit this is such a good explanation of this. Damn.
Thanks!
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very useful! thank you very much
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Do i understand it correctly if i say it is kinda like the matrix? Neo lives in the cave(matrix). He is not living in reality but in a computer simulated world. Then he comes in contact with Morpheus who gets him out of the matrix and he understands that he has been living in a computer simulated world and now sees reality as it is.
It's a bit like the matrix, yes - at the surface level. But, remember what the reality is for Plato. It's not ultimately the material objects, which is as far as the matrix goes
Right, because concepts like beauty and justice in the movie are the same inside of the matrix as they are outside of the matrix. In the cave beauty and justice are also projections on the wall. We can kinda see justice, but not real true justice, it is more like looking at a projection of justice. So that is what the prisoners in the cave are looking at, but if they would realise that they where just where looking at shadows they would stop doing it and search for the true source of justice witch is the form. And Plato thinks we can get to see the true form of knowledge by using our reasoning and education, but first we need to realise that we are not looking at the truth and we need to love the truth. That is intresting.
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question, i think i understand it better now.
@@dutes6668 You're very welcome!
I think it is like the matrix, when you don't think you are in it, you are. When you know you are in it, you no longer are. The mind is the cave, and will forever be the cave until we see the light that lights up our heart.
you helped me pass my exam
Glad the videos were helpful for you
Using your videos to study for my philosophy midterm, as a comp sci student who has only taken technical classes, philosophy comes off as interesting but as extremely difficult for me when it comes to writing answers and essays. Thanks!
Glad the videos were helpful for you
Soo helpful! Please contnue, thanks👌🙏
Glad it's helpful for you
I think there is one more untouched dimension here, namely the connection of the allegory with the concept of hard solipsism. What do you think?
No. There's plenty of "untouched dimensions" to the allegory, but that isn't one I'd bother with
Who is speaking? Who are the people engaged in dialogue in this text?
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Some would say…. Educavetion… am I right?
You're the first I've seen calling it that
What’s the purpose of this story
Read the book and you’ll find it
To me it sounds like enlightenment, and like the conception of God as the single being that is the universe and every part of it is that single consciousness experiencing itself, Advaita Vedanta type of stuff.
Well, it's not, not when you stick with the text. It's something quite different
@@GregoryBSadler I'll read it, thank you, this are great lessons.
You are right. I don't think that the "professor" understands the text as well as you do. Stick with your interpretation, the "doctor professor" is manipulating the shadows on the wall. All his titles give him authority to do so., And keep you blinded.
He thinks he is not in the cave.
It's impossible to be in this world and not be in the cave. We all start of in the cave, only the ones that come out recognise it, the rest pretends that it is an "allegory".
The ones that come out spot the pretenders. Sorry, professor doctor and the rest....
Awesome tutorial! If we make the assumption that someone who gets free from his chains never gets out of his own cave without being able to experience the intelligible world, could we also say that he has just moved to his second "mode of knowledge", which is "the formulation of his own opinions and beliefs" (Pistis)? This might also be the case since once he is liberated from his own chains, he discovers the fire (as a real visible object) burning and has his first explanation of the image of the fire cast on the cave wall in the form of a shadow...and all of these thoughts of his are still taking place in the realm of the material world !!
I wouldn't identify grasping the world above, an analogy to the world of forms, with pistis. Nor would I say "formulation of his own opinions and beliefs" is pistis either, since belief can just be taking on those already there in one's own culture.
Plato doesn't say that the prisoner sees the fire, or the puppeteers for that matter, but I suppose we could assume that he does, perhaps on his way back down