KRIMH - Randomness #10 - Double Bass Drumming for Science
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- What an incredible experience! I was invited to Nantes, France, to participate in a fascinating study on double bass drumming, specifically focusing on ankle motion. This technique is crucial for double bass drumming at tempos above 150 bpm. Aurélie Sarcher and her team at Drums Biomech are investigating where this movement originates.
Join me as I undergo various tests, including ultrasound imaging, nerve stimulation, and playing double bass at different tempos.
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0:00 Intro
1:00 Trip to Nantes
1:23 Meet Aurélie Sarcher
3:15 At the sport lab
3:44 Ultrasound of Soleus muscle
6:54 Nerve stimulation of Soleus muscle
8:31 Attaching Sensors
9:34 Warm Up
9:56 Ankle Motion at 180bpm and above
11:38 Ankle Motion below 180bpm
12:14 Full Leg & Ankle motion at 200bpm
12:30 Endurance run at 200bpm
14:38 Maximum Voluntary Isometric Contraction
15:50 Outro
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Thank you for full trip video, it was nice to watch and listen scientific points of research and your emotions as well😊
I took part in the experiment a year ago and I had really been a game changer for me especially seeing how the interaction between the Soleus muscle and the tibialis anterior.
Prior to this experiment I was using mainly the soleus but as soon as we reached my maximum tempo and slowest for the ankle motion we saw the tibialis getting involved and because I didn’t train it at all I guess that at some unconfortable tempos the brain tries to involve other muscles to help, the same thing happened during the endurance part
The result of the study like Aurélie and Kerim said are not finished and published yet but since then I’ve been actively training my shins in order to use both muscles all the time in good coordination and so far the results have been great, I’ve been able to slow down the ankle technique as well as expanding my maximum tempo and gained more contrôle and adaptability in my full range of speed
I can’t wait to see the results of the whole study and to see the compared data from all the participants ! I’m sure it’s gonna be really interesting for the whole extreme drumming community !
Thank you for your input and detailed explanation of what happened after you took part in this experiment. I also think this study will help to understand everything better.
Thank you Nathan, so glad it gave you some insights !!
I struggled with this exact problem for years. I kinda brute forced my way through, with trial and lots of error, but I think it's god's work there are people trying to figure it out scientifically. It's true what Krimh said years ago: The most important is control, not speed or power. Also, Tony Royster jr.'s comment comes to mind: I don't think much about technique, foot placement etc., I just know what i want to play and then find a way to do it. Can't wait for the finished study.
It's always cool to collect such scientific findings to better understand how things work and especially how the techniques work efficiently, Kudos to all involved,
Combining 2 of your favourite topics - drumming and sportslab I guess ^^
Oh yes it was super interesting and great to be part of it
As a french people was an honour to receive Krimh :)
All you need to do now is unfuck France and make it French again. Last time a brilliant Austrian man came to France, you refused to benefit from his vision. 😂
Wow, your endurance is insane!! 💪💪💪
Great stuff Krimh, I don't think the average person knows how much we train and push our bodies this research is awesome !
Very informative! Science and metal, aurelie is living the dream
En tant qu'amateur de death metal francophone, c'est vraiment cool comme contenu.
As musician and trainer this is FREAKING INTERESTING man. Ill be one tune fore sure
thanks for doing this. thanks to the scientists who are going to help all drummers understand the optimal techniques and training methodology
We need more extreme metal fans to be into science. Especially biology, physics, and chemistry.
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I taught myself surgery from listening to Carcass.
Search "the charismatic voice". She's friends with Will Ramos, and recently put out a long video putting him thru all kinds of science experiments during his screams.
Full and solid strokes. It's not 250+, but it proves how much hard work he puts into practice.
Haha nice! My friend Clément who plays for Fractal Universe & on my videos has done this with Aurélie few weeks before you did
Hello from Nantes 🙂 nice vidéo !
Thanks for sharing this with us as well!!
12:30 I'd love to see them quantify your accuracy over time with this experiment.
Yep it is planned ! For now I calculated it for the short trials and man, it is nearly perfect !
They should have a normal person try that to show how ridiculously good he is.
I was jamming imaginary guitar riffs along to that.
People tend to forget how skilled some musicians are at their instruments and how much time it takes to get up to a level like this.
I'd consider myself an above average drummer myself, but people like Krimh are still miles ahead imo. :D
Good idea, but the "normal" person would not even get 3 hits in consecutive order :D so that would quite boring.
Krimh and James Payne, Kevin Paradis and all those guys are like elite athletes in that drumming field!
@@prod_adrian I always think that with the Olympics too. Put someone like me in the swimming pool with the athletes just to remind everyone how great the actual pro's are.
EARLY PATREON SQUAAAADDDDD
Let’s go I’m pumped
Its so badass how the different rhythms play thru
That was so effing awesome. I am completely enticed by the study and I am very interested in the results. Thank you for "giving" yourself to science for the study and bringing us along with you. Rock on 🤘🔥🧡🔥🤘
It was indeed very informative. Thank you for sharing, Kerim!
We needed !both! Muscles in our leg for ankle motion. So It's not just lifting the calve.
Scientifically proven.
i am a drummer and also i'd like to go to university to study physiotherapy, and it was REALLY interesting! thank you for the video!
Sound like a great choice to study 👍🏻
Super cool , very illuminating episode, fascinating 🖤🔥
Awesome
Dude is in shape!
Thanks for doing this dude! So awesome 😎
For the science...
This was awesome! I look forward to seeing the result video whenever that comes out!
This was really cool, thanks for sharing!
Really cool!
🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻 As always!
very fascinating, thank you for sharing this experience/experiment, Fantastic 🙂
Now this is different and super interesting
Sure will be interesting to take part of the conclusion of this study.
Awesome video!! I'm always looking for ways to drum safer and long while trying to get to a high level. Love it Krimh!
Extremely intresting. Also studied biomechanics and physiotherapy. Im drummer from Finland.
I said this about the soleus to the drum technique academy guys and they act like I was a moron... about time you all caught up to science
Cool stuff 👌
French Grip Channel shirt! I've seen the video about Aurélie's work on his channel, I think it's absolutely awesome and I'm glad you took part in it
(Also as a French guy, I'm slightly cringing at the thick French accent :D)
@@ChaosPootato Ouais, au Québec on imite généralement l'accent américain en parlant anglais, ça fait étrange d'entendre l'Anglais parlé avec l'accent de France.
@@Anthonybrother croyez moi, je donne tout pour imiter l'accent américain, mais ça marche juste pas ;-)
3:50 The CAV .... 66samus
Ohh yuurrrr!!
Fantastic one brother, looking forward to the results of the study
Really interesting video combining two of my favorite interests; drumming and sports science. Looking forward to the results. Also this shows the high level of control and stamina you have Krimh! 🙌💪🥁🔥
Thank you Peter! 🙏🏻
They damn sure got their money out of that Alesis pad
This is an awesome video, its cool to see how playing drums affects the body, its really interesting,
Yes indeed
This is pure gold!!! I'm impatient to see the result! 🤩
Since I had a little back pain,in the lower part of it,
I am really interested to understand the muscles involvement during double bass playing!
In particular how double bass drumming will affect my back in a long run ✌🏻
AMAZING GUYS! CHEERES FROM ITALY!
Double bass drumming can be hard on the body but with the right technique it should be less impactful. Lower back pain is a common problem to be honest and I think everyone has experienced it at one point.
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After this study is done, i bet that same researcher would find the various blasts & rolls you guys do with your hands interesting.
That stuff is just as impressive as the double-bass speed, IMO
Science should always be done by Metal fans (seems Aurélie and her teammate are :) ) Very Interesting (even if i'm not even a drummer) : learning how to prevent injuries, learning how to train the muscles is crucial for any sport, so very cool experience (drumming at this level, is sport).
Wow, that's super interesting! Thank you for sharing.😁🤘🏻 Please post an update with the results if possible.
I'm waiting on the episode of Krimh's Randomness when we'll have a Swedish fika together.
@@KholmDrums it’s gonna happen sooner or later ☕️ 🇸🇪
Loved the video. I wanna see this done on Chris Turner. I want to know if his "technique" is even human. (I know his technique has nothing to do with ankles. Just for fun.)
Yes that would be very interesting. He has the hulk technique 💪🏼
Hi Krimh... First of all thank you very very much for making another randomness video... Had been missing this for quite some time now...
Please don't mind, but I have this one question in my head since I was watching a few of your earliest videos on this channel... Back in the days when you were in Poland, how did you practice drums and like proper metal? Didn't your neighbors complain? What solutions did you have for that?
I'm direly in need for your advice... And I hope it would be really helpful for others as well...😅
Thomas Lange is the GOAT of double bass drumming....
She's so good at English!
😂 thanks !
I think she is great and could explain everything very clearly
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That's really very interesting, I am looking forward to the final results and conclusions!
One thing that crossed my mind while watching: you were hesitant to increase the tempo to 230 bpm, but I think I already have seen you playing even faster than that. Is it because than it wouldn't be a "mostly ankle motion" anymore due to the swivels kicking in? Something that is "not allowed" because the focus is on ankle motion (besides the fact that the cable linked to your calf would have a hard time, lol).
The lab conditions are quite constraining and very different from studio conditions, because of the pad that is not the classic pad for Krimh, the electrodes (some of them on the glutes), the probe which is squeezes the calf, etc. Also the sound from the triggers is recorded but Krimh does not hear it while playing so it is very difficult without sound feedback to adjust correctly at high speeds !
That is why all drummers who came for the experiment do not reach their maximal speed during the experiment. But it is not a speed contest, we aim to measure as many speeds as possible to compare and measure the effect of speed on the different parameters, but the maximal value does not matter much in the study :-)
@@drumsbiomech2854 I understand, thank you for elaborating! :-)
I might have been a little bit quicker in the past, when I was young 😂 but I never was one of the fast cats out there.
To be honest I hate playing on a pad and it’s quite tough to keep higher tempos for a longer period of time.
As Aurelie mentioned it’s not a speed contest and we want to rather capture the movement patterns in different tempo zones.
Khrim can you cover The black uncharted by Keep of Kalessin
Great content always bro
This is super interesting ! Couple of questions :
- how much variation there is between both legs (in terms of muscles used, response time,strength etc.) ?
- Any specific reason why MVIC was done on the left leg ?
For now we recorded just the data and it will take time until Aurelie goes through everything. After that I should know more how much each leg has to work
We did MVIC on both legs for glute muscles and hip flexors. I just didn’t show all of it ;)
@@KRIMHDrummer yeah ofc, how impatient of me 😄 (I'm fascinated about that since I'm cross dominant).
Ah I see 🙂 nice there was an explanation about the shouting because I was a bit confused when I saw it on Instagram haha
Great video! Question- The Surface for Alesis practice pad is much harder than the drum kit right? It may be causing more strain on the calves, especially with the weight at the back to hold the pad. Would this make a difference in the study?
It feels different than a real kick drum but we have to do it in a lab. It’s not necessarily more straining but rather a different rebound which I am not used to.
At my comfortable speed it was fine
210 bpm=Vampire from Nazareth vibes!! :D
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Hey cool video very interresting topic, but one very important question : what are your current pedal settings? most important the beater angle and the spring tention. I love your Videos and your music. Greetings from Landshut, Germany
the reaL answer will be "personalized settings" copying someone else settings is pointless and will make zero improvements for your own style of playing .
@@DigitalDemonForge yeah i think you'r right, butin my opinion if for example eugene ryabcnkeis able to play 300 bpm with certain settings i should be able to do that same thing with those setting, just changing them a little bit.
@@DigitalDemonForge
Sometimes using someone elses settings works. From there, things can be adjusted as needed.
Settings are very important and are measured at the beginning of the study (seat height, spring tension, length of shaft, board height, beater tilt angle, etc.). It was done for all drummers, with basic physionomy measurements (leg length, weight, height), so that people will be able to try out some settings according to the physionomy that matches the most their own. All of that will be released with the biomechanical results, in a few months ! :-)
Gojira tats! 🐋🐋
Krimh, do you think you could have gone faster and/or longer at the higher BPMs if you were able to do more with your hands?
I noticed as the BPM went up you mimed hitting a high-hat it looked like. And I know when i do high tremolo picking I get more out of it with both hands than just using my picking hand (if that makes sense)
I could have played more with my hands but I wanted to focus on my feet and to play them tight. So I only played a bit. Sure it helps to have some sort of „pulse“ in order to stay on the tempo.
My right hand is more important as it helps my feet to understand the tempo better. The faster you go the harder it gets to not get lost.
@@KRIMHDrummer Thats a good way of explaining it. Thanks for that man.
Btw I met you when you came to New Zealand with Behemoth. Would be great to see you make your way back here again some time. Already been 10 years!
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Those pedals needed a cigarette after that beating!! lol
I started learning about 7 months ago. I'm trying to get my foot speed up. Single pedal of course. Man I don't get it. Just trying to get a few extra kicks in on a simple drum beat and somedays I do alright and other days it's like my foot won't even work lol
It takes some time to control this „reflex loop“. a reflex is kind of a survival mechanism and a very quick signal but hard to control. The goal is to tap into this reflex loop to play fast but we need to learn to control it. This is nothing that can be done quick and needs time to develop. Patience :)
Im amazed that cable didnt fly off
Francesco Paoli enters the room - Hold my beer 🍺 😂
The real question remains: are you using your hip flexors enough?
Also, is there a better accent than French?
Did they put a moisture meter in the butt crack?
sloppy ):
She has a not very good habit for the vehicle... she keeps her hand on the gear lever...
With a stick-shift, that just happens when you're in traffic thats changing speeds a lot. You could see at one point, the traffic was steady enough that she had her hand off the shifter.
Haha, who the fck even cares about that part in this video?!? 😀
This was a total waste of time wasted 3-4 mins of my life lolololol just drum and why worry about muscle function as long as you can play what waste time with this nonsense
😂 That is the most French accent I have ever heard. Infinity Gauntlet idea is to get Krimh, Sven De Caluve (Aborted), Francesco (Fleshgod Apocalypse) and Alex (Slaughter to Prevail) to all sing in their accents. It would be awesome.
Take a look at Evgeniy (Slaughter to Prevail), Eugene (Fleshgod Apocalypse), Krimh, etc… Extreme metal drumming is a dang sport where you have to be in top top shape. Of course there are exceptions like Gene H, Austin A and few others 😉🤘🏻
If it was for Science, it would be an acoustic kick drum.