Atezr P20 20W Review - Solid Features, Great Price
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2022
- The Atezr P20 is a new 20W entry in the diode laser arena and in this review, I will walk through the details of this unit and compare it to the venerable xTool D1Pro to see if the Atezr is a worthy competitor. It offers solid features and a great price, and if you are looking for choices in the high-end segment of the market then this might be the laser for you.
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Awesome video!!!
Thanks
*Excellent review Steve!* xTool missed the boat by trying to copy the Glowforge model, and making the machine settings proprietary. If it weren't for that, the D1 would be a good product. Now on to the 6, 6W diode laser! The 36W is on the way! Thanks for the shoutout!
Yes Atezr is sending me a V35 too. I’m eager see at what point diode lasers start replace CO2 for some cutting applications
@@SteveMakesEverything Soon Steve... soon! Where there's money to be made...
@@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Yes I agree, I think the 35W diode laser emergence will start to change everything. I also think that high-end diode lasers are going to start looking a lot more like CO2 lasers, with a proper cabinet, better fume extraction, and possibly even water cooling for the laser module.
@@SteveMakesEverything ... except for the wavelength limitations, mandatory for cutting acrylic and/or other materials for example.
@@ulrichkliegis4138 It's always a choice. Diode lasers can do things that a CO2 laser struggles with too (e.g. engraving on stainless). Buy the laser that meets the goals you have set for yourself.
Great video Steve! I’m now a new sub. One question on alignment. Couldn’t you just pulse-fire the laser to get alignment? That’s what I used to do with my Ortur 10w.
You can do this, but at low intensities you can't actually see the beam through the glass- hence the inspiration that drove this video.
Hi Steve. I love all of your videos. Please keep them coming. Is it feasible to run a small business with a 20 Watt diode laser (xtool or atezr)? If so, do you believe it also would be able to handle production from a small Etsy store as well as local Facebook community sales? Thanks again for your help.
Yes, absolutely. Either of those lasers is a fine product. The Longer Laser B1 30W I reviewed recently is also in that group.
Great review. The lack of sighting would be a no-go for me - especially being a noob to laser engraving. Thanks for the review!
It is one place where xTool got it right, though FWIW, the rest of the P20 laser is pretty awesome and there are many things I like about the Atezr more than the D1Pro - including the price.
Toward the end of my initial time with the Atezr P20, I had mostly figured out how to do alignment, though as I mentioned in the video, I have seen a few people punching the protective plastic out of the front so they could see the beam - this is pretty unsafe though. My tendency is to 3D print a frame that the shield could slide into and mount that on the front of the laser module. This would let me slide the shield out when I'm aligning and then reinsert it for operation.
@Steve Makes Everything
I probably could get use to the lack of no sighting but lots to learn no matter what.
3D a frame - I’d like to see that. I’ve also seen, from a couple of RUclipsrs, leg mounts to boards to keep laser engraver more stable. I think think would also be a great build too. A 3D printer purchase will be down the road for me as well.
@@g-paj5430 Maybe I can throw together a quick video for this - might be a good time to create a RUclips Short 🤔
@@SteveMakesEverything I have one of these in my cart at Azter, however I am confused about sighting. If I remove the protective shield and use goggles instead is a beam even available and visible for sighting? @The Louisiana Hobby Guy alluded to this but I am looking for a definitive answer. Is visual beam alignment possible if the shield is removed? TIA
Good review, looking at details you don't observe until you have it on your desk (I have it now after Louisiana HG's recommendation).
@ about 12'15" you mention the rollers. The plastic part (the tyre, so to speak) is not teflon, as you mention, but POM. Getting at the asymmetric nuts that control the pressure / force versus the rail, is a bit awkward, but possible.
One of my roller arrays tended to limp a bit along its way. Very careful correction of the bearing force allowed me to optimize the run to a pretty smooth mode. If you leave them going in steps, you will rather get a superimposed pattern on gravures, the steppers' setting phase depends on the force executed on them. The reason behind that behaviour is a not-quite-perfect roundness, a property that ALL these simple rollers are subject to. Linear rails are better, but then a) more expensive, b) more sensitive to dirt, dust, debris.
The positioning could become easier with the camera option of lightburn, but then you have other potential issues (solid, reproduceable camera position, lens nonlinearities etc.)
- A simple conventional scale printed on the rails might be useful... Martin (Ultimartinum here - all in german, but hey, we are able to learn english, the process is reversible!) has made a very good tutorial about the camera use in Lightburn.
I've never considered using a camera on a diode laser. I guess if it's in some sort of box it might be useful.
The wheel adjustment isn't an uncommon operation on most new lasers, but I agree that it's a bit tedious on the P20 because they've made it more challenging to get too. I had to adjust mine too when I assembled it.
You're right about the wheel composition. However if these really bother you, for about $20 you can buy steel wheels on Amazon to replace them. You can also get these in polycarbonate which is a bit more durable than the POM/Delrin wheels.
Steve, I've seen several of your laser reviews now. You did a comparison of the XTool and the Otur - how does this compare with the Otur? Maybe a side-by-side-by-side video would be nice.
You mentioned how the laser makers have been around for a while and still have poor cable management, the built-in cables as well as the plug-in ones) - I would like to see them move the power, and USB towards the back of the machine - but I would really like to see them add LAN connection, so the laser can be on the network, not just one computer or rely on WiFi.
Thanks for the videos - keep 'em coming
I miss ethernet too :-). There is a WiFi connection but laser companies always seem to do a half-baked job, rather than make lasers look like network printers. As far this compared to an Ortur. The P20 will definitely be better at cutting than the LM3; however if your primary use case is grayscale photo engraving then I would lean to the OLM3, which seems to handle grayscale better than anyone else. Note that if you are rendering photos with something like Stucki rather than grayscale, then I would be back to the P20 just for the speed.
great review, I did see the review of the Hobby guy!! But for me, it would be important to have that ability to make something greater than the laser bed itself and therefore I should be able to have a cross of see the pointer to realign the laser. have you seen the new Atezr V35 and the Atomstack X30 pro? even more powerful... but great review!!
Atezr is sending me a V35 so I’ll share my thoughts when it arrives
Atezr (how do you correctly pronounce that?) has announced an extender package (KE) to increase the work area to 430 x 850 mm².
@@ulrichkliegis4138 Yep, this is a great option if you are making big things like sign letters. This require some serious workbench space 🙂
Thanks for the great review. I just set up my Atezr P20 but I'm struggling to figure out the right material settings without going through a lot of material. Did you happen to create a material settings file to import? I will actually primarily be using a light score and then cut 1/4 inch plywood. Thanks, again!
I didn’t, but there are lots of sources online. You can actually look at the material settings that Xtool has to get a good reference. I thought that Atezr had some on their site too. Regardless, just Google this and you should find be able to find settings as well
@@SteveMakesEverything thanks
No mention of rotary. Their site mentions 'rollers' & I wonder whether the xtool rotary would work with it.
Atezr does indeed have a rotary, though my favorite rotary is definitely the RA2 from xTool. It should work on the Atezr P20 though if you really need confirmation I can maybe put a YT short together to show it.
Hi Steve. I'm looking at the Latest P20 plus as well as the xtool D1 Pro 20w but can't seem to decide which one to get as my first laser. Which would you recommend between the 2 and are they both expandable? Any opinion you may have would be helpful. Thanks
You wouldn't be disappointed with either, but they come at a price. In the next couple of weeks I will be reviewing another offering from Longer that will compete with these for less money (and more power). Maybe you'll want to wait for that one before deciding.
Hello,
very good video, thanks for that.
Can you have the Air Assist controlled automatically via Lightburn?
E.g. for engraving "off" and for cutting "on". So you could just preset it and not have to worry about it.
With the Sculpfun S30 lasers it works to have the Air Assist controlled by Lightburn.
Can you change / replace the lens or is it fixed?
Thank you in advance.
Greetings from Germany
Some lasers can do this, but don't assume all lasers with air assist can handle it because in most cases the air assist is just a separate air pump. I believe the Sculpfun S30 can support this
Hi Steve, was about to purchase the D1Pro20 and saw this… gives me pause. I went to their site using your link an they are now offering a 35 watt!! Model V35. Wondering if that would be a better option… you have any opinion?
I haven’t seen the V35 yet, but it is no doubt a great cutting laser. I do wonder how well these would engrave unless they have some way to turn off some of the six internal laser diodes to reduce the power
Hey Steve! Considering how you go about things. I just got a Aufero Laser 1. It has been a blast for my first piece of CNC anything. Being new to this "world" I'd be curious to see what you would do to jerry rig that or a similiar out. IE a pinned passthrough system, fixed slot/tab jigs.
Cool review btw!
Clarification: What woud you do to max a starter system out to get the most out of it before purchasing a higer watt/co2 laser.
Well you could do an upgrade to a 10W laser module. I have an upgrade kit sitting on the shelf, so I could do a video to talk about that. The price of 10W laser is falling pretty quickly due to the growth of 20W units, so this isn’t likely to save you much though. That’s about the only difference between what you have now and the next level up.
I am curious how it will do. Mine will arrive this week.
Hope you like it.
Is the discount code supposed to work for the 35W?
It is very tempting, especially if there is a discount available. I am still within the return period for my 20W D1 Pro. I want to cut items that are 17" x 17", which I can fit on the X axis but not the Y, so I have to do them in two stages at the moment. If I decide to keep it, I will buy the extension and that will solve it, but there are some other things that concern me about it.
The lack of an alignment guide on the Atezr is a real problem though. It would make Lightburn's brilliant Print and Cut feature unusable. Atezr's return policy also worries me.
I added a link in the description for the V35. Not sure what the discount will be on new lasers though. The lack of a sighting guide can be compensated for somewhat in lightburn by enable the laser at low power during framing
@@SteveMakesEverything Thank you for the reply. That is how I do things now when I cut my 17" pieces. I have no choice because I do not have 16mm to spare on the X-axis. However, it then becomes very difficult to see the alignment marks clearly enough when using print and cut with the xTool, and the Atezr shield looks to be even darker. I guess removing the shield is the only solution.
Looks like Atezr just dropped a new 35 watt unit. Maybe that's why the P20 is on backorder. I wonder who will be next with a 35 or 40 watt unit
While I’m tempted to fall for this, I’m wondering where it ends. A 10W diode laser is honestly powerful enough to anything normal people would do. The 20W lasers can certainly cut thicker material, so can a CNC without any burning at all. I’m conflicted though if Atezr sent be one of the larger units you would certainly hear about it. 😁
I will generate an affiliate link for the Atezr V35 for those that want order one and help out the channel at the same time
how well does it cut wood and how thick of wood?
Any 20W laser can cut through 3/4” thick softwoods, though I’m not a fan of using a laser in that case. A CNC or a plain old saw will do a much cleaner job. I wish laser manufacturers would stop using this as a benchmark. What really matters is the ability to engrave and cut things like plywood as quickly as possible
Con #4 it doesn't come in Ironman Red, like the D1 Pro does. 😉
I do like the red D1 Pro 😁
What kind of eye protection should be used?
The Atezr comes with glasses but you can buy higher quality versions on Amazon
@@SteveMakesEverything Thanks, do you know what wavelength they are?
@@SteveMakesEverything Do you know what wavelength they are? Atezr doesn't have any information that I can find
@@LaszloBagi These are 455nm units
@@SteveMakesEverything Thanks
Would love to buy one but they do not ship to the Philippines
Well that's too bad. Does xTool ship there? The D1 Pro is also a very fine laser.
@@SteveMakesEverything yes they do. I guess that will be my best bet.
Hi Steve 👋 trust u well. I m a south African. I simply love ❤ to create pictures n saying on mirros n on wood also on paper. What I like to know is how much is da laser printer da 430 by 430 n where can I buy 1 also do I also need a laptop 💻 n wifi sorry to trouble u sir thanks have a nice day
This laser would meet your needs and there are a couple of links below that will take you to the online store. For mirrors you can engrave from the back easily. If you want to engrave the glass directly you can treat it with black paint or even a black Sharpie pen.
You don’t need a laptop to run the laser since you can start jobs from an SD memory card. However you are going to need a computer at some point to create a design and write it to that card.
Slow delivery... Based on your review and that of several other RUclipsrs I ordered one of these machines a couple of months ago. I'm still waiting to receive my order! I'm in the UK. Has anyone else had the same problem?
I’m not sure if they are having manufacturing issues or supply issues. But a few people have mentioned delays. Atezr isn’t alone. xTool was also much later than promised with their P2 and F1 lasers. Not sure if they are shipping either of them in large volumes yet.
Took over a month to receive my delivery and they ended up sending me the P20 instead of the L2 36w which I ordered (worth double the price). Support is often slow to respond to emails but at least they have recognised their error and offered a refund of the price difference. I really just want the machine I ordered though.
@@MrVininski I'm wondering if Atezr is having supply problems on the L2. I think they rebranded a laser from another company because this looks an awful lot like an Ikier K1 Pro, which itself appears to be owned by Atomstack. Confused yet?
The P20 is currently on sale so it's actually a bit cheaper than the L2 - so you should be asking for some money back. But I personally think you should push them to give you the laser you ordered since there are a couple of features on the L2 that make it worth the money. My humble opinion of course
@@SteveMakesEverything thanks for your reply, also your videos are great, I've been watching a lot.
After all the lasers I looked at it came down to the L2 and the ikier. I agree they are incredibly similar. The Atezr was just a better price at the time. I'm pushing back for sure, I didn't spend all that time comparing laser reviews and filling in spreadsheets to not get the one I wanted! Atezr are just trying to save on shipping. Their own policy states they have to reimburse me for the return and front the cost of shipping the replacement. I'm just worried how long it's going to take to sort out the return. At the rate these diodes improve it'll be long outdated by the time I get my hands on it.
@@MrVininski I wouldn't worry too much about becoming outdated. A 24W laser is capable of anything you could ever want to do anyway - unless of course you want to cut lumber, but I think that is such a silly use case for diode lasers anyway.
Expensive
Like the xTool D1, the Atezr P20 is a high end unit, so it’s not going to be the cheapest. The discounts are pretty good - at least $300, so the price right now is pretty good. 20W lasers cost more, so if price is an issue then buy a 10W unit
great price? $1,300... very expensive. might as well get a gas laser.
If you can find a decent CO2 laser for $1300 buy it! 😁
@@SteveMakesEverything i can find it but i cant afford it. :\
I bought mine on Dec. 24th. Due to the high demand during Christmas, I had to wait for the slow-boat from China to bring me mine. But, I paid $879.00 So, no where near the $1,300 they list. And that was directly from Atezr - and - you get a free license code for Lightburn - another $60 freebie.
@@rustyp21 Excellent!
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