Everything we don’t like about Durston tents
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Full video podcast discussing the Durston Xmid and many other backpacking topics with Eric Hanson on the way to the airport after hiking the Grand Canyon 
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I love my X mid 2!! Best tent for the price! 2.4lb tent for $280. Fits two 25in pads. You can’t beat it.
Very true!
A seek Outside guardian is 29oz and $259......
@@joshlarue2838You were about to blow my mind, but after a little research it’s not quite what you think. The Seek Outside Guardian is only 29oz without a nest (which is the mesh netting and floor), stakes, and ropes. If you add the nest to the purchase it’s well over $500. With the stakes, ropes, and nest the weight is 62oz or 3.87 pounds.
@@1uniqueguy I knew, it wasn't quite a apples to apples comparison. But, you also have the option of not running nest when it's not needed. And they also have a bare floor option you can add in now as well. A lot of versatility with it.
@@joshlarue2838very true! I love companies making versatile set ups!
I imagine Dan Durston will show up in the comments soon to rectify about 85% of the criticisms levied in this video with helpful tips and thoughtful explanations behind his design.
Haha, sharp mind, sharp point✍️
He's a standup guy. Genuinely just wants to make products that are affordable and helpful to backpackers.
@@diversie509yeah, I recently got his pack and it’s great, and cheaper than most others on the market
If you say, Dan Durston three times real quick, he’ll show up in the comments
I love Dan Becker he’s RUclips’s finest
First thing that's said is "It's a single wall tent"
The regular double wall Xmid; "Am I a joke to you?"
Right? Like the regular tent is double walled with excellent room between the mesh and fly. I also don't know how so many people have trouble getting it up with 4 stakes. Its also insanely cheap for the regular version compared to anything comparable lol. But everybody has their own gripes with different things I suppose.
yep both the single wall and expense complaints are gone by going with the standard xmid over the pro. Also DCF fly is in development as we speak for those that absolutely need DCF in their life. Most of the rest are lack of experience/skinny pitch knowledge and them just being tall.
DCF tents bite it !
@@haydenwalton2766 is it because you can't afford one? Be honest there are a few small cottage companies that do make a good product. Are they expensive yes, like all tents they all have pro's and con's.
What defines single wall or double wall? Is it a minimum amount of space between the two walls or mesh and wall? Because many “single wall” tents have mesh and a fly as well. Many of which the mesh and fly don’t touch each other at all.
10 months ago you were saying how it was the best…sold out
I had high hopes for this video, especially considering the enticing thumbnail. I anticipated a thorough revisit of the tent, complete with physical demonstrations of the issues you've encountered. After all, it was your original video on the tent that led me to purchase the X-mid 2, which has quickly become my favorite tent. While I acknowledge the large footprint and learning curve in pitching the tent, the overall tone and message of the first 10 min of this video seem somewhat off-putting. 😬
I love my Durston X-mid and have had it ever since it was only available on Drop. I don't experience any of the issues that were mentioned, pitch, sag, layout etc.. not even much condensation with the vents open.
Totally agree, you tube creators “creating” content…
Nice to see Dan and Eric together! It’s concerning to me that you’re using more of a clickbait title than usual. Are times tough over there?
I don’t agree with your xmid critique at all, it felt really forced, willfully ignorant, and trying to spark a reaction in the comments. You succeeded on that last point, but also succeeded in disappointing me.
Don’t make a habit of this.
I hope you guys have some fun adventures that you share soon. Best wishes.
Yep thank you for saying this. The Xmid is exceedingly easy to set up compared to almost any other tent I've seen either set up. Only well pitched on even ground? By what metric does that make sense. Its literally pulled taut with adjustable height poles and adjustable lines. Also pick better spots if you are having an issue. Oh golly jee a single wall tent has more condensation?? Who would have thunk it.
LOL! To each their own, my dudes. I love my X-Mid 2P! I sleep on the diagonal and let my dog and gear have the low corners. After two years of steady use, it has served me well.
I don't have the Pro version, so I don't recognise a few of the problems they talk about.
It have excellent moisture management (although no tent will ever be completely dry every night) and easy to pitch tight.
But of course, no tent is perfect, every tent has it's trade offs.
Hands down, my Durston tent is the best tent I have owned, for it's weight and for winter camping!
In all other areas, I have tents that is comparable.
But it's still an excellent tent in most circumstances.
Got a Durston X-Mid Solid 2. Last time I looked, it was double walled.
This feels like a hit piece.
Have either of you two used the XMid Solid 1 or 2? I used it in the Alps and Iceland last season and it was amazing. It's very affordable compared to the Pro series, and it's double walled.
I love my X-mid 2! Where else can you get a spacious 2 person tent that weighs around 2 pound tent for $280?
I have x-mid 2 solid, Super quick set up, I don’t have an issue with uneven ground any more than any other tent I’ve owned. Love it.
alrighty. I can't help but be a little offended for Dan and all of us Canadians. All joking aside, a lot of these issues are the same for EVERY single wall tent. This was designed to work in the bad weather conditions in the Canadian Rockies and is likely the only Dynema Trekking Pole tent that will stand up to our crazy weather. It is why the X-mid is my go to but I am willing to change my mind if I ever find a better one. Do you guys know of a better and cheaper trekking pole Dyneema tent that stands up to wind just as well? Come out here and I will take you on a trip so we can test it out :)
The one item I never hit the trail without is my Thermarest Z Lite Sol. I cut it in half (36””) and it has many uses - sit pad, yoga pad, bath mat when washing the body, extra insulation under my inflatable pad, as a wedge to level out sleep area, collection pad when unloading my pack (great when it’s wet out), wind break for the stove, star gazing pad (lay on it, look up), door mat in vestibule. Yeah, I love my Z Lite Sol!
Love this channel so much good information. Very entertaining and great people. Only wish there was metric measurements on the screen somewhere so I don't have to stop and convert to know what you're talking about.
I actually really love this video, feels like I’m just sitting in the backseat getting to listen to two very experienced backpackers just talk to each other casually, no script, no agenda, just organic conversation. Led to some really cool moments that probably wouldn’t happen in a typical scripted video that I really enjoyed hearing, especially Dan’s experience going back to the Grand Canyon, being vulnerable like that for your audience is so valuable appreciated! Also, nice to hear you guys just kind of talk back-and-forth about different gear that you like and dislike, and the reasons why are without any kind of agenda!
Great video Dan. Always enjoy when you and Eric are together. The video left me feeling I was just on an hour road trip with the 3 of you. 😁
I really enjoy your videos and have learned a lot about backpacking, new brands and legacy brands that I had previously dismissed that have upped their game. Your self effacing sense of humor is entertaining and makes the hobby more approachable. I don’t take all this social media stuff very seriously and rarely post a comment but I do enjoy your videos.
I am about travel for backpacking in CO.
I would love to see you produce a video breakdown regarding carry on, check back vs buy at your destination, when traveling to go backpacking.
The previous packing videos you have produced have been great and really helped me prepare to best of my ability for local trips.
You have travelled to so many destinations and I am sure there are a lot of lessons learned you could pass on. Just a future request 😉!
My xmid 2 pro is by far the best tent I've ever had. I've got over 40 nights in it in some challenging conditions on a variety of surfaces and it has never failed me.
Good discussion gentlemen. I have the XMid Pro 2 (original version) and for me it is great solo tent. There are a few quirks with it and I do find my ZPacks Atlaplex easier and faster to set up, I use the ZPacks when I know my sites could be tight for space, but the Xmid has more room. Both companies make excellent tents and it comes down to what you like and need.
I like how Eric put his driver seat height like 4” above yours to assert dominance.
Loved the video ride-along format. But, ummm, if the solo tent is too small what about the duo? If too wet in the interior what abput the double-walled version?
We are Here for you, Emmett. Clicked on a bunch of links to help you out because it would be so painful to try to watch Dan Becker without you!!!
You two guys have the best backpacking, hiking, and camping videos period! I always enjoy videos from these guys!
Team Durston
Totally happy with my 2 year old Thermarest NeoAir Xlite Regular (72”) wide (25”) (4.6R value), 2.5in thickness. Have over 100 nights use and it still performs beautifully. My first NeoAir had a baffle problem and Thermarest sent me a brand new one. Great warranty and great customer service. No need to change when it totally meets my needs!
Does OnX app work internationally? Like if I want to do a trail in another country, will it work?
What is it that Dan can't live without ... Emmit :) That was a great talk/drive video.
Dan, it's good to see you out and about, and Eric doesn't have to wear an orange jump suit and tracking bracelet lol!
I have a xmid 2 solid, I’ve modded slightly with some extra adjustable guys at 4 points mid wall. Really helps with the pitch
I have a Hyperlite 4p with a 2p screen you can borrow and review if you want. I'm down by Chicago, but go up to Janesville in summer... With that said, my all time favorite tent is Sierra Designs Tensegrity 2. It is single wall and non-freestanding, but it works great!
I’d have to say my favorite piece of gear recently is the Flextail Zero pump. Great time and energy saver.
Love mine, too. Now realizing I can use it to remove air from bags and make more space is even better.
Love mine, too. Now realizing I can use it to remove air from bags and make more space is even better.
What's the time line for the shipping? I ordered mine over a week ago.... just curious
@@coltballistic1776 hard to say. I ordered mine on kickstarter back in August or so and recently received it before the holidays. However I bought the gen2 several months before and it’s game changer. Yeah it’s a little loud, but I love setting it up and doing something else while it inflates my sleeping pad. Especially on a 15-20 mile hike where you’re already exhausted.
Water filters: I am usually backpacking with one or more other folks and I use the Gravityworks "dirty" and "clean" bag system but replaced the actual filter with the Sawyer. The bags are great as you said you just take the bag to the river/lake and scoop the water and then take back to the camp. We always have an abundance of water which is great for cooking, washing up etc and can fill all of our Smartwater bottles in one go. The sawyer filter with the syringe rarely clogs unlike the Gravityworks one.
I found a used in mint condition 2005 TheNorthFace Bug 33…it’s not the lightest but I’m 6’ with a long torso. It was marketed as lots of headroom and it’s a dream come true.
@@Username-ItzDanBecker Stop trying to scam me! I’m a net security pro! I’ll make your life a living hell!!!!
please do a review on the big agnes torchlight sleeping bag its expandable but i wanna know about cold spots at the seams of the expansion
Were you using onx when you camped in the wrong spot in the Grand Canyon National park …
Great video or impromptu pod cast lover it, I love all gear talk
That was fun to listen to. Cause of RUclips university I’m a quilt user w a liner. And the Nemo tensor extra wide is my favorite pad.
Things I learned from this video:
1. People no longer have the attention span to watch more than 7 minutes of a video.
2. Even constructive criticism is a personal attack for those who attach their opinions to their identity.
Some of these comments are sad.
Some brands I would love to see you guys check out would be Tarptent, Katabatic, Nunatak
Well Dan, I live in Iowa and I would love to go backpacking with you sometime. Or even a group. That would be awesome!
My x-mid-2 is the perfect all around tent for myself and my SO. Sometimes I backpack alone and it’s still light and comfy, sometimes we backpack together and in that case it comfortably fits both of us.
Biggest downfall is the big footprint, VA backcountry spots tend to be small
Going to look into that mystery ranch backpack, my husband and I carry heavy packs because we backpack with a 6 yr old and a dog, our packs can weigh anywhere from 35 lbs to 55lbs, my husband usually carries the heavier one, extra support for that weight would be good!
I’m with ya Eric give me a cozy mummy bag! I tried to love the quilts and didn’t, sold them all and went back to a good mummy bag
I hate mummy bags. I need to kick my legs about & feel so trapped in them, quilts are awesome!
I plan to buy onX but there are aspects I want on the hunting version (property lines with owner names) and on the backpacking version. Maybe things have changed and I still have to do more research. Can I come back to your video in 6 months and still click your link and get 20% off? Thanks😊
Influencers can do a lot of damage to companies by their words. The title and the feel of this was uncalled for, and simply put, just rude. I also would have expected you to understand the difference in condensation with a single wall tent and the fact that he makes a double wall version at about 1/2 the price.
Knowing Dan Becker, I thought for sure that this was a spoof. The whole exchange between he and Eric almost sounded scripted ala "Lets ruffle some feathers in the backpacking world".
I've owned so many tents over 50 years of backpacking (I'm 71 now), some obscure, some mainstay. I'm truly loving my Xmid1. I am hard pressed to find fault with it. I'm getting another this summer, the 1 or 2 Solid as its dusty here at elevation. I guess if I were to be picky, I wish the grommets came in different colors... 😅
Emin awesome editing! 😂
I would absolutely like to see a similar chat between you two about the tarp tents and where they fit in the conversation for one of the top brands.
I would love to do some short hikes in Wisconsin. I would like to also hike the River-to-River trail in southern Illinois some day. I also need to stop spending money on other hobbies so I can buy some hiking gear...
So…what I’m hearing is you all don’t like one-person single wall tents. Only seemingly valid complaint is the footprint. Otherwise it seems a little directly targeted on Durston when what you all are really saying is you prefer to use a double-wall, 1.5/2 person tent and not worry about the weight savings the X-mid pro provides. What other ultralight single-wall one person tent do you find to be better?
(Ps TOTAL CLICK-BAIT TITLE 🤣)
Nah, none of the complaints were even remotely valid.
Becker owns/owned the Pro 2, he could have had Emmitt draw an outline of the footprint based on the measurements Durston provided on the website and realized it wasn't going to work out before making the Pro 1 purchase, but instead, he bought the Pro 1, used it to boost his channel, gained ad revenue then bashed the tent he helped promote.
"Yeah, I'm trying to be nice, right now." then Becker immediately cuts away for an upbeat ad commercial for OnX to edit the rant. 😂
Trash video. It's like critiquing a Ferrari and saying things like, it's too small and can't fit 5 people in it, I can't fit any Ikea furniture in it, it's too low to the ground. There is zero context for any of these comments. Most of these comments will also apply to every other lightweight tent on the market.
Sleep on pine buffs?? Ah! Bough does not rhyme with rough, but with wow! Nessmuk would have been scratching his head too:-)
Clickbaiting your viewers then bashing Durston because the tent is single-walled and has short guylines when the tent is advertised as single-walled and ships with 50ft of extra coordage tells you the level of experience and professionalism in that vehicle.
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Good to hear you did Grand Canyon again and took the emotional journey. Second half of the video is better than the first. Not a fan of the clickbait, but nothing wrong with pointing out the cons of gear you’ve used a lot and really like.
Great episode! I feel like I caught up with some good friends on a long road trip. We talked about everything! We laughed, we cried, we grew closer. Looking forward to the next one!
New video?! Can't wait to watch later 😀
Best ul gear gear hauler gotta be the seek outside gila or divide( same frame just larger pack) just over 3lbs can carry as much as you want you legs will be the limiting factor.
Seek outside divide is so incredible. Unbelievable load carrying capacity and comfort for 3 pounds.
X-MID 4 Life
I know you guys would never carry it due to the bulk and weight, however i would really appreciate a review of the litefighter 1person tent please.
@_ItzDanBecker_ this is Preston from Tulsa OK. I'd just like to see what you think of the litefighter 1 person tent. I mostly hammock hike now, but still ground sleep every now and then. Beyond the bulk and weight obvious downsides it's a great tent. I would like to get one of the durston tents but since I'm mostly in the hammock I can't justify it to myself
Dan, congrats on defeating the Grand Canyon! You don't have to tell me twice, I'll come to Wisconsin to backpack anytime!
Not everyone gets the pro version. I prefer the standard because it’s double walled. And cheaper and really not that much heavier
I don't like any of the true single wall tents due to condensation. I like the standard X-Mid 2, I like having the inner component... it's a touch warmer too ... less wind. I'm a big fan 😊
I’d go to Wisconsin to backpack with you haha. I’m west of you in central MN, so you’re not far from me. I’m getting ready to start a backpacking/outdoor channel this year.
Watching this as I open the X-Mid 1 I ordered based on these 2 guys recommendations lol 💀
I'm fucking CRYING 😂😂😂😂😂
we said many things we love too.
@@DanBeckerBuild it up to break it down. Just like what my wife does 😂😂😂
@@DanBecker lol I’m sure it will be a great tent. Looking forward to this season!
Dan Becker your money❤❤
There is word of a DCF double wall version coming out soon. IDK why they didn't start with that. I know they're part of the whole grams race, but an even lighter version of their ridiculously popular double wall design, also giving option to put up or even take JUST the DCF fly without the inner. it would be so much more versatile. but again hopefully going to be one soon!!!!
Poor Emmett! Sorry to see you go! 😉
Apart from the big three, I almost always carry my UL chair. I bought a pair of them years ago off Amazon - one for me, one for my son. My son hasn't joined me for 4 years now since meeting his future wife so I have a spare chair.
Just bought a granite gear perimeter 50 cant wait to get out and enjoy the outdoors thanks @DanBecker for being a source of knowledge for the community
Come over to the SHT.
Has anyone been able to check out the Zenbivy Ultralight early?
All i can say I love my XMid Pro 2 .....
Love the video format! Just three guys talking gear on a road trip! I'll definitely agree - on uneven ground the xmid is harder to get pitched perfectly - but it's still easier than almost any other tent to pitch. I live in the humid southeast US and honestly haven't found the condensation to be a problem. I had a worse problem when I used the non-dcf XMid version and it got soaked up in the Highlands with the dew/condensation. Switched to DCF tents and never looked back. I'll also note that the best setup for humid/wet situations is a hammock with a dcf tarp! Sleeping bags rule for ground dwelling ... quilts for me are too drafty when in a tent. Quilts are awesome in a hammock though! I predominately solo backpack - well me & my dog - mainly it's just easier logistically to make a plan/adjust a plan when there's fewer people involved. I don't mind going with people - I love sitting around a campfire at night - but during the day I like enjoying the scenery solo (plus I stop and film and photograph alot - so it'd drive anyone nuts!). Things I won't leave behind ... polished bowl long handled spoon, Sally (my dog), down pillow, some sort of beanie, alpha fleece hoody & pants (and socks!), and some sort of mat or pad to lay on by the fire, and delicous food.
I love their mystery ranch blah blah while wearing a mystery ranch shirt yeah I'm not shelling for them RN at all.
Have you lost the plot Dan? Or are just about to obtain sponsorship from a rival company?
Well now I am left wondering which Jellystone in Wisconsin. To think you and Eric may have been just down the road!
Caledonia
Well if you wanna try Fremont let me know!@@DanBecker
It’s fairly easy to pitch on any terrain, but the rest are legit points.
The third product link is the Xmid lol. I love my Xmid 2 that I've had for years and just ordered the Xmid Pro 2+. I can't wait to use it!
Bro! You pick a date and I’ll fly from California to backpack at your lake spot!!
Love these kinds of conversations! Feels like a conversation me and my buddies would have on the way home from Flagstaff after a hike or campout! Always good to see Eric in your videos.
Dan has his own porter now. Hopefully you pay him more than them. He probably digs your cat holes too.
Tell OnX to make their move into the European or global market, and I'll be clicking that link all day long. Not much point until then (last time I checked).
P.S. Though I'm in the UK now, I grew up in the Milwaukee area. Greetings, fellow cheesehead!
Same with Canada! Really want to use OnX but when I spoke with them they said they are just prioritizing the US for now 😒
Great video. Just a candid conversation with opinions that apparently some people dont agree with 😂
Love how Emmett is not paying attention the whole time... Classic Emmett
Oh Emmett
Do you like the Xmid pro 2 or not? You guys complain about moisture here but talk highly of it in other videos
"ka-knock" or "C-knock" WE NEED TO KNOW THE ANSWER
Dan can’t leave home without a chair! 😂
What did Dan do to y'all?
I am an owner of an x-mid 2….. definitely a double wall tent.
MR how is your legal problems going? Dan and company thank you.
1 year ago - Best tent ever (I need clicks)
Now - Trash tent (I need clicks)
Could be a weekly podcast this could😬
@@_ItzDanBecker_ cool story bro
So good to see you guys toogeter again, just made me smile !
Mystery Ranch was actually just bought by Yeti
and el coyote makes amazing quilts but they are always sold out
This is a fantastic discussion. I have a durston tent and love it but it's not the best thing ever. There are pros and cons with every tent... Period.
Awesome video, I loved the format of just two people talking about gear they liked/didn't like.
Thanks for the long video. I'll never click your sponsors. Kthxbai.