You be right this ship and many others in the tech tree a good amount of premium ships were not made. And for two reasons one is as you said building capacity, but the big reason was Hitler started the war early it was planed for 1947. In 1939 the Kriegsmarine was yet ready it was still rebuilding it was not even back to its WW1 size at lest for suface ships, remember after WW1Germany lost a lot of ships. If WW2 started in 1947 Plan Z what was the name for the rearming would have given Germany Battleships 10, Battlecruisers 3, Aircraft carriers 4, Panzerschiffe 15 Heavy cruisers 5, Light cruisers 13, Scout cruisers 22, Destroyers 68 Torpedo boats 90 Total 230 suface ships.
Sharnhorst is actually a pretty solid design. They're a little low on buoyancy, making them pretty wet ships, but they're far better designs than Bismarck. They also needed some more deck armor, but for a first-try at a battleship they're solid
Only thing "bad" about this ship is the slightly akward turret layout and the positioning of the 150s. You only get 3 150s when driving forward. Rear ones only start engaging when practically broadside. Bismarck gets alot more access to her full secondary battery.if you know what you are doing, the armor is respectable.
I haven't managed to get the Zeiten for myself yet, as I struggled so much with the Heinrich that it put me off the line for a while. I might try to pick the Zeiten up at some point, though I'm currently trying to grind for the new French cruisers and German DDs. That said, I'm loving these musical intros. Really nice touch. You think you might implement it with your "Meet the (Blank)" series as well?
Prinz Henrich was the final Battle Cruiser in the tech tree line that was built. She was scrapped in 1920 and entered service before World War 1. Zieten and the other Battle Cruisers were never built.
I noticed that you don't lock the secondary sight on a specific ship, is there any special reason for this? Normally when there are 2 nearby ships taking damage from the secondary in one side, I usually order the secondary to be locked on the ship that has the lowest HP to destroy it faster.
@@spartacus2650 In the case of the PS5 it's R1 + X or Triangle, as I haven't played in several weeks I forgot... But the settings change depending on the control preset you use... It's also good to switch off strategically so as not to be seen in the smoke, depending on the situation, I already turned off the secondary with the Veneto to stay in defense and escape by repositioning myself, because I was almost sinking!
Zieten is fun with an accuracy build keeps you from Yolo rushing and can put up some solid numbers....and if a DD gets spotted secondaries can melt them. Should you meme build it well there's fun to be had there too watching cruisers melt as you stay out of torpedo range lol.
I either have an excellent game in this ship or a terrible game no in betweens.this one was definitely a grind and I am glad I don’t have to play it anymore.
Germany had a lack of resources for ship building, tanks aircraft and missiles and rockets sucked up iron like a hover. I like the Zieten and use it daily.
This and Atlantico are my favorite tier 7 ships. We just get along. This ship is very accurate. All the battlecruisers have cruiser dispersion. You have to play this ship with finesse. You are not a tank. You are more of an assassin.
I do best when people just don't see me as a threat, and just focus my more dangerous teammates. So whenever i do reasonably okay it more feels like i was just getting a good game, compared to it just being a good ship. Because with any other ship I would've performed better. Still fun tho imo
Zieten was never bad lol its strong imo it's secondaries are deadlyyy and it's reload is good to make up for it's only 3 guns and it's C turret has amazing angles and no offense but it's armour isn't bad just because you're rushing a bit more than most and get yourself in crossfires or bow tank which isn't good because 25 or 27 mm upper bow and then you die it's not a bad ship just play it correctly
Germany had very little natural resources like steel. Thats why they invaded the countries they did 1st to gain acess to those resources. And Hitler was obsessed with unnecessarily large weapons. I think it was the tiger or panzers tanks. That were to big for the transmissions to handle full speed. So they could only go at about half speed. The usa ability to mass produce tanks. And other weapons is was one of the main driving force on winning the war
Zeiten is a good kiting battle cruiser. It has decent overmatch, torps exist, and the secondaries are good. Hide in a smoke circle and chew destroyers and light cruisers with the secondaries. It's a cool ship. Definitely not my favorite.
Zieten was pretty annoying for me. It definitely is just a taste of what’s next (Prinz Rupprecht, which is really good) Also all the German battlecruisers were built except for Heinrich, Rupprecht and Schlieffen, which we’re either planned or fantasy ships.
Das Schiff ist eine Rampensau und macht einfach Spaß! Nur Leute die die Hauptgeschütze vom Kartentand nutzen mögen sie nicht. Die Hauptgeschütze sind super, aber treffen in 9 von 10 Fällen nichts. Das sind niemals deutsche Geschütze 😂😂😂
Only ship i get rewarded playing stupid. Say yolo with that full secondary build and walk away with 1 or 2 caps with 2-4 kills and 150-200k damage. Its plain dumb fun
The secondaries on Zeiten suck hard. Barely any guns and they shoot slowly. And the turret positioning is ultra bad. Also it's the ugliest ship in the game.
The only way i get decent games in the Zieten is with a Secondary Build. I can't ever get those Main Guns to behave.
Same here those guns aim leaves u questioning at times
Absolutely. I'd rather play Mackenson
Really?? Interesting. I run full secondary heal build on Zieten and Ruprecht and still get amazing accuracy out of the main guns on both ships.
She IS supposed to have a secondary build
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If I remember correctly about the zieten it was one of the ship's that was proposed to secend the graf spee.
You be right this ship and many others in the tech tree a good amount of premium ships were not made. And for two reasons one is as you said building capacity, but the big reason was Hitler started the war early it was planed for 1947.
In 1939 the Kriegsmarine was yet ready it was still rebuilding it was not even back to its WW1 size at lest for suface ships, remember after WW1Germany lost a lot of ships. If WW2 started in 1947 Plan Z what was the name for the rearming would have given Germany Battleships 10, Battlecruisers 3, Aircraft carriers 4, Panzerschiffe 15 Heavy cruisers 5, Light cruisers 13, Scout cruisers 22, Destroyers 68 Torpedo boats 90 Total 230 suface ships.
Sharnhorst is actually a pretty solid design. They're a little low on buoyancy, making them pretty wet ships, but they're far better designs than Bismarck. They also needed some more deck armor, but for a first-try at a battleship they're solid
Do you think a bigger Scharnhorst with 3x380 would be better than Bis?
Man I love this videos with the intro, great video Spartan!
Only thing "bad" about this ship is the slightly akward turret layout and the positioning of the 150s. You only get 3 150s when driving forward. Rear ones only start engaging when practically broadside. Bismarck gets alot more access to her full secondary battery.if you know what you are doing, the armor is respectable.
Only got it to complete schlieffen (however tf you spell it) segment lol
Seems to be a theme between this and Veneto
Finally a zieten video I may die happy now
I haven't managed to get the Zeiten for myself yet, as I struggled so much with the Heinrich that it put me off the line for a while. I might try to pick the Zeiten up at some point, though I'm currently trying to grind for the new French cruisers and German DDs.
That said, I'm loving these musical intros. Really nice touch. You think you might implement it with your "Meet the (Blank)" series as well?
I'll likely be doing these types of intros for uploads going forwards
Prinz Henrich was the final Battle Cruiser in the tech tree line that was built. She was scrapped in 1920 and entered service before World War 1. Zieten and the other Battle Cruisers were never built.
Derflinger is the only ship that ever entered service. Mackensen was being built, but never got finished and was scrapped in 1920.
The Zieten looks like a big sexy beast
I noticed that you don't lock the secondary sight on a specific ship, is there any special reason for this? Normally when there are 2 nearby ships taking damage from the secondary in one side, I usually order the secondary to be locked on the ship that has the lowest HP to destroy it faster.
What button do you press to focus secondaries for the console.
I do sometimes usually when there's a Destroyer or a low health ship
@@spartacus2650 In the case of the PS5 it's R1 + X or Triangle, as I haven't played in several weeks I forgot... But the settings change depending on the control preset you use... It's also good to switch off strategically so as not to be seen in the smoke, depending on the situation, I already turned off the secondary with the Veneto to stay in defense and escape by repositioning myself, because I was almost sinking!
In ww1 they did have a navy but they had thier butt handed to them by the British navy. So they understood that they stood no chance against them.
This ship is my favorite ship is very nice
Was zieten a campaign ship before it was added to the ship progression for free
No
Zieten is fun with an accuracy build keeps you from Yolo rushing and can put up some solid numbers....and if a DD gets spotted secondaries can melt them. Should you meme build it well there's fun to be had there too watching cruisers melt as you stay out of torpedo range lol.
What is the beginning song?
Its called Phat Moves and is available for free download at mixkit.co
Its under the aggressive tag
its one of my favorites. it works well in Ranked
I either have an excellent game in this ship or a terrible game no in betweens.this one was definitely a grind and I am glad I don’t have to play it anymore.
Thank for doing this ship Spartan!
No problem
Germany had a lack of resources for ship building, tanks aircraft and missiles and rockets sucked up iron like a hover. I like the Zieten and use it daily.
Alright Spartan. Which German do you dislike more Zieten or Bismarck?
I have better luck in Zieten
Zieten was never bad
Lol in my house, the ship that shall not be named starts with "O" and ends with "maha"
Omaha is a great ship
@SpartanElite43 lol it's an unforgiving ship
I personally love this ship. Loads of fun to level. I never understood the hate, just gotta angle.
This and Atlantico are my favorite tier 7 ships. We just get along. This ship is very accurate. All the battlecruisers have cruiser dispersion. You have to play this ship with finesse. You are not a tank. You are more of an assassin.
Great review, me personally I love this ship
I do best when people just don't see me as a threat, and just focus my more dangerous teammates.
So whenever i do reasonably okay it more feels like i was just getting a good game, compared to it just being a good ship. Because with any other ship I would've performed better.
Still fun tho imo
I called this ship modern ship the way it looks on the front
I just got a double whammy with secondaries in this ship. The Z is no joke
Noice
I have Hide. Tried using him. Didn't see the point. Never used him again.
Love the intro
I’ve had a few dozen 100k games myself in that ship do I like it at best 50/50 tops other then that I can’t really say much about it
Hey spartan I was wondering If we could play wows. I’ve been a fan for quite some time and I love the vids keep it up
Glad you enjoy but unfortunately I can't div with everyone due to being too many. Sorry
@@SpartanElite43 it’s alright
@@SpartanElite43 could I add you by any chance?
I like the zeiten to be honest. Hate I have to start over on xbox with this game on tech tree for German ships.
Zieten was never bad lol its strong imo it's secondaries are deadlyyy and it's reload is good to make up for it's only 3 guns and it's C turret has amazing angles and no offense but it's armour isn't bad just because you're rushing a bit more than most and get yourself in crossfires or bow tank which isn't good because 25 or 27 mm upper bow and then you die it's not a bad ship just play it correctly
That 360 rear gun can fire with only 20 degree angling which is great for switching targets. 22 second reload is great for he spam
Nice job
Germany had very little natural resources like steel. Thats why they invaded the countries they did 1st to gain acess to those resources. And Hitler was obsessed with unnecessarily large weapons. I think it was the tiger or panzers tanks. That were to big for the transmissions to handle full speed. So they could only go at about half speed. The usa ability to mass produce tanks. And other weapons is was one of the main driving force on winning the war
Probably tiger
Zeiten is a good kiting battle cruiser. It has decent overmatch, torps exist, and the secondaries are good. Hide in a smoke circle and chew destroyers and light cruisers with the secondaries. It's a cool ship. Definitely not my favorite.
Zieten is not bad just more to be desired from 406’s
I actually don't mind Zeiten
the tier 7, tier 8 and legendary tier German Battlecruiser aen't real ships but Aegir is a real Battle cruiser a part of the P-class Battle cruisers
I think you mean a real design? None of the P-Class were built either.
I know the P-class wasn't built I was just saying.
Zieten was pretty annoying for me. It definitely is just a taste of what’s next (Prinz Rupprecht, which is really good)
Also all the German battlecruisers were built except for Heinrich, Rupprecht and Schlieffen, which we’re either planned or fantasy ships.
Heinrich is probably my favorite ship in the game but somehow i still dont want to buy zieten lol
There’s no reason for this ship to have 6 guns with such low damage
Das Schiff ist eine Rampensau und macht einfach Spaß! Nur Leute die die Hauptgeschütze vom Kartentand nutzen mögen sie nicht. Die Hauptgeschütze sind super, aber treffen in 9 von 10 Fällen nichts. Das sind niemals deutsche Geschütze 😂😂😂
I like the Zieten, think it's fun to play. I agree, much more accurate guns than the main BB line.
Only ship i get rewarded playing stupid. Say yolo with that full secondary build and walk away with 1 or 2 caps with 2-4 kills and 150-200k damage. Its plain dumb fun
I'd say its by far one of the worst t8 bbs.. the guns literally cant hit anything at 6km and secondaries cant beat decent main guns
Listen
Hate it😂
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Dunno but I enjoyed topping you in you're ohio just before you put this vid out lol
Ok.. gg teams were rough this morning
AI has taken over Spartan's channel. You weren't top of the leader board.
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Next up…..Gascogne?
The secondaries on Zeiten suck hard. Barely any guns and they shoot slowly.
And the turret positioning is ultra bad.
Also it's the ugliest ship in the game.
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