As far as working out, back in Jesus time, they walked a lot more than we do now, the fishermen worked out as part of their jobs, same wirh the carpenters, and their diet was clean, no messed up chemicals and plastics... So no, they didn't focus on health because they were likely not fat at all. They were all probably very lean. Only the rich were fat because of their ability to overindulge.
One could make a similar case about any good virtue. The Bible does not make a big fuss about being able to do math or to read, why focus so much on teaching children these things?
Gluttony is a sin. Gluttony leads to obesity. Yes, genetics, age, illness and injury can lead to obesity without being supplemented by gluttony. However most people who are obese cannot use those as excuses for why they are obese therefore they are sinning by being and choosing to stay obese. You have one temple. If you don’t honor it by trying to prolong your life as long as you can you are sinning.
Jeff the ninja? Luke the bear? A huge part of Jeff’s persona is his professional martial arts career. A huge part of Luke’s persona is his large size. So, when anons on X promote masculinity by weight-lifting and eating healthy, that’s bad? But when Apologia men build a persona around being big and tough, that’s perfectly acceptable? Right 👌
We CHRISTians do seek to be like YESHUA, JESUS The CHRIST, The ULTIMATE MAN, and ALPHA [Obv.] MALE. That is Not 'a huge part of Their Persona's'! Lol. That's ridiculous. CHRISTian Men, CHRIST at the Center of Everything. Now, what was Tour Motivation for that comment? Are You Not an Alpha Male?
@ do they? If that were true, then why not call themselves “Jeff the apologist” or “Luke the faithful?” Or some other theological or spiritual name? They purposefully chose those names because of the physical size of Luke and the physicality of Jeff’s martial arts background. I actually don’t think it’s wrong to give yourself such a nickname, however I also don’t think it’s wrong for men to lift weights, eat healthy, and call out gluttons.
@usaflambert These men are not saying it's wrong to lift weights... I Iove powerlifting and strongman myself.... however, there is a problem if in valuing being strong... you start to sound like Hitler, Darwin, or Nietsche... and there is a lot of that on the reformed corner of the interwebs right now.
@ I don’t see that, perhaps you do and I don’t doubt that you do. What I see is men removing the scales from their eyes from decades of government propaganda telling them to follow a food pyramid that causes obesity and disease. People are turning away from the idea that lifting weights and being physically is somehow “toxic masculinity.” And they’re noticing that many of our older leaders who still believe much of the post-WW2 liberal order are very overweight and unhealthy. This shows one of two things: a) they still believe the government lies and refuse to change their eating habits, or b) they are gluttons who lack self-control over their eating habits. This video looks bad on Apologia and Dr. Sandlin. It shows that these guys are incapable of even the slightest rebuke and elevate themselves over the common church parishioner. PS: I have been a huge fan and very close follower of Apologia for years. I’ve watched their content, donated lots of money to their causes, and turned many people on to them. However, they are on the wrong-side of this current “brother war” within the reformed church, period.
Sorry to hear the Durbin’s are down sick! Praying for Jeff and his family this morning! God be with y’all! Thanks for all your work and get some much needed R&R in Christ!
Im at 1:30:30, and the commentary there was exactly the commentary given by Aristotle that has been lampooned on X. Joe Boot has had a time with misquoting Aristotle just to prove we shouldn't be lostening to him. The issue with this interview is that all of this gets swept under the rug and ignored because people call what you say g@y and r3t@rded (even though these are words that have been used by Millenials since forever). On one side of this discussion has been an overwhelming lack of desire and discipline to read whats been said and interact with it instead of complaining about "racism", "sexism", and "anti-semitism". This is why you're being mocked. After months of trying to talk, the anons are just tired of being ignired and dismissed over things that have nothing to do with the conversation.
You are not an Apostle. You are not an Old Testament Prophet. You are not Christ Jesus. No one on this earth fits *any* of those descriptions today. Mocking is not a Christian trait. It was never commanded for us to partake in. It violates many commands of scripture. Sure, you perhaps may disagree with Durbin and company. I do all the time, however, that does *not* give me the right to openly act like the way these people do on social media. One day *every single word and every single action* will have to be given an account for. Including taking the side of those people violating Christian principles in their communication to, and their treatment of others. That is something that everyone needs to think about. If you die today and have to give an account of your life, including social media, where will you stand? That thought should frighten anyone. *For the record: This is not directed at you specifically, but anyone that defends the actions of Anons or thinks that mocking is alright to do to people.*
@@zap0918 in fact, we are given examples on mocking people, and Proverbs is replete with examples of mocking fools who refuse to listen. It is the actions of people who recognize something and point out that problem, and other walk headlong into the problem, knowing its there. Fools should be mocked, and when a fool speaks foolishly, his foolishness should be mocked, as well.
@@zap0918good thing God has tremendous grace huh? There is a time for everything under the sun, and I will mock these out of touch men concern posting from their ivory towers and studies till they join reality. Honestly in my opinion all of this is manufactured to stir controversy and get clicks and views. Nobody cares about stone choir, they get like no views and minimal watch time. The anons on x are mostly unregenerate at best culturally Christian Eastern Orthodoxy leaning bros. There's like one internet famous account that's got laser eyes and 1689 Baptist in his bio and you can't convince me this is all over that one account. When I read comments on these types of videos all I see is "I'm not aware of what's going on over there on X" or "I'm not on X" but yet everyone seems to just agree with these guys. It's way way overblown and it would best serve the body to just ignore the 12 accounts lol.
Then why did Doug Wilson write “Future Men.” “If boys don’t learn, men won’t know. And boys won’t learn unless their fathers teach.” - Doug Wilson You guys contradict each other so much, it is confusing.
That's why he said that if a boy has a good father he well naturally grow up to be a man. And by "good father" it is implied that the father will teach his son to be a man. No contradiction here, Dough is just emphasizing the teaching role of the father.
@ “Masculinity is not a role to be recovered, but a natural existence.” If this is trues then why write so many books about masculinity, like “Is Good to Be A Man,” why write “Even in Exile” for woman? If the boy needs a father to teach him by observation the role of a man, then he needs a man to teach him how to be a man. What happens if the boy doesn’t have a father, he will need a father figure (a masculine figure,) therefore the boy needs a man to teach him how to be a man. Masculine and femininity need to be recovered, because they entail more than just being born one or the other. This is one of the reasons we need mothers and fathers. We have lost the virtues that make a masculine man and a feminine woman, and they need to be recovered. Why criticize the men looking for masculine figures if they want to become a better man?
Wrong. We don't need to figure out what masculine it is and we don't need to teach people how to do that. We know what masculinity is and we need to allow men to be masculine we need to stop shaming them we need to encourage them to be the Men that God created them to be
The kind of masculinity that’s being taught has a pagan aesthetic. There are RUclips channels that dedicate to going after Norse/Celtic/Baltic/Slavic paganism of old because of how masculine it is perceived to be. The point is to go away from Christianity because it made men and the West “weak” according to them.
@@RexNicolaus We aren't supposed to admire our Christian fathers masculinity either. We can't admire Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Gideon, David, or Josiah because they had multiple wives. We can't admire Martin Luther because he was "anti-semitic" and used "harsh unloving language towards Rome". We can't admire Stonewall Jackson, Robert E Lee, RL Dabney, or even George Washington because of slavery. We can't admire Richard the Lionheart, Duke Godfrey, Skanderbeg, El Cid, St. Louis, John Hunyadi, or Jon Sobieski, because of the "crusades". We also shouldn't admire the apostles. After all Paul must have been "racist" because he showed "ethnic partiality" toward his unbelieving Jewish brethren, and criticized the Cretins based on their ethno-cultural stereotype. Don't get me started talking about the Man in Revelation chapter one with flaming eyes, a voice like the roar of many waters, and a face like the shining sun. After all, He does criticize some people as a "synagogue of Satan" in His letter to the church at Smyrna.
51:35 is the ultimate example of hypocrisy. he complains about people that hes known for years and done ministry with "turning on him". Funny, I distinctly remember a certain person named Gary Demar that YOU did a similar thing to only this was much worse than whatever you guys are experiencing. you deplatformed and slandered him. You also continue to slander all the gospel believing Christians that have a different eschatology than you even though they hold to all the essentials ANYONE on the street would need to accept to come to christ. But instead you call them heretics and unbelievers and slander them and misrepresent what they believe all because youre too cowardly to have a biblical discussion and ask some important questions.
Apologia has always had a reputation for challenging the people that they disagree with, for fighting these people and debating them. This is the first time I've ever seen them attack a nameless group of people and not give them a chance to rebuttal. Maybe there is something going on in your church but it's not happening in the church. At least not where I'm from I work with a lot of men and I've never heard anything like this. You think at least one person would have had this ideology or something like that but nobody does every Christian man I know says Christ is King and anybody who says otherwise is not paying attention
Yeah, it's amazing how Durbin and White will GLADLY debate a homosexual "pastor" who affirms homosexuality and claimed Jesus sinned and had to repent for His sin, or two atheists who mock God, but Stone Choir is a bridge too far. It tells me they don't care if Brandan Robertson's views are allowed to circulate, but they sure are worried if SC's views get out there. They could just as easily have them on to discuss the issues they're concerned with. We'll see.
@@SomewhereFarBeyond29 If I’m to be fair about what’s being said, that Brandon “pastor” is so BLATANTLY heretical, that it shouldn’t take too much to really dismiss the heresy as opposed to something that seems more trivial than saying blasphemous things about who Jesus is and saying a sin is “a good thing.”
Did you miss the part where they plainly said Corey Mahler and Stone Choir or did you intentionally leave that out? How do you debate anonymous accounts? Come off it dude
I was getting worried. I’m a guy, I work out, Reformed…but not white, so I guess I’m safe (he said facetiously.) I’ve heard Dr. White mention the same thing a few months ago, made me check myself.
It’s clear that the old recon guard is threatened by those who actually embody the capacity to do what they've made a living theologizing about. That they see it this way is to their shame. The Bible didn't address this sin because people weren't morbidly obese and didn't eat Taco Time.
It always so interesting lately. A brave man starts chopping down an idol and it cant be handled. Yes america, we are extremely obese and overweight. Not just a small portion by of the population but majority. Its killing us. Spiritually and physically. Its harming the church.
If these men are in your churches I hope you are pastoring them and discipling them away from those ideologies and *towards* the truth of the Scriptures, and not just "rooting them out" or chasing them away. They are still people, and they are still under your care. Society has denegrated them most if not all of their lives, so I hope and trust that you are loving them and guiding them kindly and firmly towards the truth, and not scolding them further into the holes that they are digging themselves in to.
@SickestDisciple I never said I think they aren't. Merely expressing a hope that they are. A hope that I do believe is well-founded, because I trust these men to be faithful brothers.
I wonder why they have a link to NAD replacement patch in the description, that promotes bodily health or some say “anti-aging”, one might think they’re promoting worldly ideologies. There is literally nothing wrong with it, but if they’re transitioning into pietist, they may want to rethink their sponsors…js✌️
So I'm listening, not watching and I heard you say Andrew Stanley, I had to pull my phone out of my pocket and make sure You're not talking about Charles's son
The irony. Well I am going to stand against genuine racism because that's all I seen on this little podcast today. You guys picked out a group of people and blamed them for tearing apart the church when it's you tearing apart the church... I'm going to look around at some more You guys's video and I see any more of this divisive dishonesty, then me and the 13 other people in this room will unsub. I know I know you don't care, but we do and that's the point
I literally spend 30 minutes in the gym and I get a good workout at work. Doesn't sound like I'm wasting a bunch of time being bronze. And why would anybody want to be bronze anyways. You guys are the first people that I've ever heard talk about this
It’s certainly prevalent in RUclips and I’ve came across some channels that push this notion of going back to the “old ways.” Which involves getting away from Christianity.
Spending 30min in the gym is not being bronze. But the guys on the podcast didn't say it is. I think you've missed their point. I would like to talk to you privately if you will, we could do it on facebook or discord.
I’d guess it’s because JW lied and then doubled down on that lie while actively spreading slander in order to destroy AD’s own pastor. I would have never imagined he would act that way. Sad to see.
@@MultiRocknroll123What is your argument? If you haven’t seen the proof, do the research. There is video, audio, and even leaked emails and text messages. The point is JW, DW, and some others, spent at least a couple months in a concerted effort to destroy Joel Webbon’s life and career, and it was based on a lie. Only reason I replied to the OP is because I’m in the opposite camp. Listened to JW, DW, Apologia for years. Learned about Joel Webbon during this controversy. These men need to repent.
Did he really just accuse somebody of slandering and making false accusations as he is slandering and making both accusations? Wow I never thought I would see something like this come out of that church. Even though I do not agree with apology at church or so-called reformed Baptist because I believe in free will but I've always respected them, unfortunately I'm having a hard time with that right now. I can't stand when people try to divide the church on false pretenses
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As far as working out, back in Jesus time, they walked a lot more than we do now, the fishermen worked out as part of their jobs, same wirh the carpenters, and their diet was clean, no messed up chemicals and plastics... So no, they didn't focus on health because they were likely not fat at all. They were all probably very lean. Only the rich were fat because of their ability to overindulge.
One could make a similar case about any good virtue. The Bible does not make a big fuss about being able to do math or to read, why focus so much on teaching children these things?
The Galatian heresy was about judaizers perverting the gospel, not racism.
Do you think Jesus was a racist?
Do you think Jesus was a racist?
Gluttony is a sin. Gluttony leads to obesity. Yes, genetics, age, illness and injury can lead to obesity without being supplemented by gluttony. However most people who are obese cannot use those as excuses for why they are obese therefore they are sinning by being and choosing to stay obese. You have one temple. If you don’t honor it by trying to prolong your life as long as you can you are sinning.
Jeff the ninja? Luke the bear?
A huge part of Jeff’s persona is his professional martial arts career.
A huge part of Luke’s persona is his large size.
So, when anons on X promote masculinity by weight-lifting and eating healthy, that’s bad?
But when Apologia men build a persona around being big and tough, that’s perfectly acceptable?
Right 👌
We CHRISTians do seek to be like YESHUA, JESUS The CHRIST, The ULTIMATE MAN, and ALPHA [Obv.] MALE. That is Not 'a huge part of Their Persona's'! Lol. That's ridiculous. CHRISTian Men, CHRIST at the Center of Everything. Now, what was Tour Motivation for that comment? Are You Not an Alpha Male?
But they put that identity as trash next to knowing the Gospel.
@ do they? If that were true, then why not call themselves “Jeff the apologist” or “Luke the faithful?” Or some other theological or spiritual name?
They purposefully chose those names because of the physical size of Luke and the physicality of Jeff’s martial arts background.
I actually don’t think it’s wrong to give yourself such a nickname, however I also don’t think it’s wrong for men to lift weights, eat healthy, and call out gluttons.
@usaflambert These men are not saying it's wrong to lift weights... I Iove powerlifting and strongman myself.... however, there is a problem if in valuing being strong... you start to sound like Hitler, Darwin, or Nietsche... and there is a lot of that on the reformed corner of the interwebs right now.
@ I don’t see that, perhaps you do and I don’t doubt that you do. What I see is men removing the scales from their eyes from decades of government propaganda telling them to follow a food pyramid that causes obesity and disease. People are turning away from the idea that lifting weights and being physically is somehow “toxic masculinity.” And they’re noticing that many of our older leaders who still believe much of the post-WW2 liberal order are very overweight and unhealthy. This shows one of two things: a) they still believe the government lies and refuse to change their eating habits, or b) they are gluttons who lack self-control over their eating habits. This video looks bad on Apologia and Dr. Sandlin. It shows that these guys are incapable of even the slightest rebuke and elevate themselves over the common church parishioner.
PS: I have been a huge fan and very close follower of Apologia for years. I’ve watched their content, donated lots of money to their causes, and turned many people on to them. However, they are on the wrong-side of this current “brother war” within the reformed church, period.
Its effeminate to attack your brothers in Christ and call them woke right because they believe men should act like men. I expect better from yall.
Sorry to hear the Durbin’s are down sick! Praying for Jeff and his family this morning! God be with y’all! Thanks for all your work and get some much needed R&R in Christ!
Edgey baptist doesn’t like young men becoming Christian again?
Im at 1:30:30, and the commentary there was exactly the commentary given by Aristotle that has been lampooned on X. Joe Boot has had a time with misquoting Aristotle just to prove we shouldn't be lostening to him. The issue with this interview is that all of this gets swept under the rug and ignored because people call what you say g@y and r3t@rded (even though these are words that have been used by Millenials since forever). On one side of this discussion has been an overwhelming lack of desire and discipline to read whats been said and interact with it instead of complaining about "racism", "sexism", and "anti-semitism". This is why you're being mocked. After months of trying to talk, the anons are just tired of being ignired and dismissed over things that have nothing to do with the conversation.
You are not an Apostle. You are not an Old Testament Prophet. You are not Christ Jesus. No one on this earth fits *any* of those descriptions today. Mocking is not a Christian trait. It was never commanded for us to partake in. It violates many commands of scripture.
Sure, you perhaps may disagree with Durbin and company. I do all the time, however, that does *not* give me the right to openly act like the way these people do on social media.
One day *every single word and every single action* will have to be given an account for. Including taking the side of those people violating Christian principles in their communication to, and their treatment of others. That is something that everyone needs to think about. If you die today and have to give an account of your life, including social media, where will you stand? That thought should frighten anyone.
*For the record: This is not directed at you specifically, but anyone that defends the actions of Anons or thinks that mocking is alright to do to people.*
@@zap0918 in fact, we are given examples on mocking people, and Proverbs is replete with examples of mocking fools who refuse to listen. It is the actions of people who recognize something and point out that problem, and other walk headlong into the problem, knowing its there. Fools should be mocked, and when a fool speaks foolishly, his foolishness should be mocked, as well.
@@zap0918good thing God has tremendous grace huh? There is a time for everything under the sun, and I will mock these out of touch men concern posting from their ivory towers and studies till they join reality. Honestly in my opinion all of this is manufactured to stir controversy and get clicks and views. Nobody cares about stone choir, they get like no views and minimal watch time. The anons on x are mostly unregenerate at best culturally Christian Eastern Orthodoxy leaning bros. There's like one internet famous account that's got laser eyes and 1689 Baptist in his bio and you can't convince me this is all over that one account. When I read comments on these types of videos all I see is "I'm not aware of what's going on over there on X" or "I'm not on X" but yet everyone seems to just agree with these guys. It's way way overblown and it would best serve the body to just ignore the 12 accounts lol.
Go back a few years and see White's handling of Aquinas and the response to pushback on rhat front.
52:45 "Idol of truth" What does that mean?
Then why did Doug Wilson write “Future Men.” “If boys don’t learn, men won’t know. And boys won’t learn unless their fathers teach.” - Doug Wilson
You guys contradict each other so much, it is confusing.
That's why he said that if a boy has a good father he well naturally grow up to be a man. And by "good father" it is implied that the father will teach his son to be a man. No contradiction here, Dough is just emphasizing the teaching role of the father.
@ “Masculinity is not a role to be recovered, but a natural existence.”
If this is trues then why write so many books about masculinity, like “Is Good to Be A Man,” why write “Even in Exile” for woman?
If the boy needs a father to teach him by observation the role of a man, then he needs a man to teach him how to be a man. What happens if the boy doesn’t have a father, he will need a father figure (a masculine figure,) therefore the boy needs a man to teach him how to be a man. Masculine and femininity need to be recovered, because they entail more than just being born one or the other. This is one of the reasons we need mothers and fathers. We have lost the virtues that make a masculine man and a feminine woman, and they need to be recovered.
Why criticize the men looking for masculine figures if they want to become a better man?
Jealousy and pearl clutching. This is strange
Apologia just went woke
Wrong. We don't need to figure out what masculine it is and we don't need to teach people how to do that. We know what masculinity is and we need to allow men to be masculine we need to stop shaming them we need to encourage them to be the Men that God created them to be
Tell me you weren't listening very close without saying it.
The kind of masculinity that’s being taught has a pagan aesthetic. There are RUclips channels that dedicate to going after Norse/Celtic/Baltic/Slavic paganism of old because of how masculine it is perceived to be. The point is to go away from Christianity because it made men and the West “weak” according to them.
@@RexNicolaus We aren't supposed to admire our Christian fathers masculinity either. We can't admire Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Gideon, David, or Josiah because they had multiple wives. We can't admire Martin Luther because he was "anti-semitic" and used "harsh unloving language towards Rome". We can't admire Stonewall Jackson, Robert E Lee, RL Dabney, or even George Washington because of slavery. We can't admire Richard the Lionheart, Duke Godfrey, Skanderbeg, El Cid, St. Louis, John Hunyadi, or Jon Sobieski, because of the "crusades".
We also shouldn't admire the apostles. After all Paul must have been "racist" because he showed "ethnic partiality" toward his unbelieving Jewish brethren, and criticized the Cretins based on their ethno-cultural stereotype.
Don't get me started talking about the Man in Revelation chapter one with flaming eyes, a voice like the roar of many waters, and a face like the shining sun. After all, He does criticize some people as a "synagogue of Satan" in His letter to the church at Smyrna.
Joel Webbon broke these guys
Underrated comment!
They are obsesed
Haha great comment!
51:35 is the ultimate example of hypocrisy. he complains about people that hes known for years and done ministry with "turning on him". Funny, I distinctly remember a certain person named Gary Demar that YOU did a similar thing to only this was much worse than whatever you guys are experiencing. you deplatformed and slandered him. You also continue to slander all the gospel believing Christians that have a different eschatology than you even though they hold to all the essentials ANYONE on the street would need to accept to come to christ. But instead you call them heretics and unbelievers and slander them and misrepresent what they believe all because youre too cowardly to have a biblical discussion and ask some important questions.
Apologia has always had a reputation for challenging the people that they disagree with, for fighting these people and debating them. This is the first time I've ever seen them attack a nameless group of people and not give them a chance to rebuttal. Maybe there is something going on in your church but it's not happening in the church. At least not where I'm from I work with a lot of men and I've never heard anything like this. You think at least one person would have had this ideology or something like that but nobody does every Christian man I know says Christ is King and anybody who says otherwise is not paying attention
Yeah, it's amazing how Durbin and White will GLADLY debate a homosexual "pastor" who affirms homosexuality and claimed Jesus sinned and had to repent for His sin, or two atheists who mock God, but Stone Choir is a bridge too far. It tells me they don't care if Brandan Robertson's views are allowed to circulate, but they sure are worried if SC's views get out there. They could just as easily have them on to discuss the issues they're concerned with. We'll see.
Kinda hard to give them a chance to respond when they remain anonymous and insult you.
@@SomewhereFarBeyond29 If I’m to be fair about what’s being said, that Brandon “pastor” is so BLATANTLY heretical, that it shouldn’t take too much to really dismiss the heresy as opposed to something that seems more trivial than saying blasphemous things about who Jesus is and saying a sin is “a good thing.”
Did you miss the part where they plainly said Corey Mahler and Stone Choir or did you intentionally leave that out? How do you debate anonymous accounts? Come off it dude
@@SaltyApologist based response and based profile picture. Go Gators!
I was getting worried. I’m a guy, I work out, Reformed…but not white, so I guess I’m safe (he said facetiously.) I’ve heard Dr. White mention the same thing a few months ago, made me check myself.
It’s clear that the old recon guard is threatened by those who actually embody the capacity to do what they've made a living theologizing about. That they see it this way is to their shame. The Bible didn't address this sin because people weren't morbidly obese and didn't eat Taco Time.
It always so interesting lately. A brave man starts chopping down an idol and it cant be handled. Yes america, we are extremely obese and overweight. Not just a small portion by of the population but majority. Its killing us. Spiritually and physically. Its harming the church.
This sounds like Greta Thunberg…blah blah blah blah blah!
If these men are in your churches I hope you are pastoring them and discipling them away from those ideologies and *towards* the truth of the Scriptures, and not just "rooting them out" or chasing them away. They are still people, and they are still under your care. Society has denegrated them most if not all of their lives, so I hope and trust that you are loving them and guiding them kindly and firmly towards the truth, and not scolding them further into the holes that they are digging themselves in to.
If they don’t repent, they should absolutely be rooted out.
What makes you think they aren’t doing those things?
@SickestDisciple I never said I think they aren't. Merely expressing a hope that they are. A hope that I do believe is well-founded, because I trust these men to be faithful brothers.
I have never met a man like this. This sounds like some left-wing propaganda to me
@@topkapi9351 almost sounds like an accusation, which is why I asked.
I wonder why they have a link to NAD replacement patch in the description, that promotes bodily health or some say “anti-aging”, one might think they’re promoting worldly ideologies. There is literally nothing wrong with it, but if they’re transitioning into pietist, they may want to rethink their sponsors…js✌️
Tell us you didn't listen without saying it.
So I'm listening, not watching and I heard you say Andrew Stanley, I had to pull my phone out of my pocket and make sure You're not talking about Charles's son
Truth is an idol? My lord and savior is the way THE Truth and the life. It's a idol to seek Truth authored by Jesus christ? Interesting.
The only thing I take issue with is Luke's final statement, that it's a wonderful life is the best Christmas movie. I think he forgot about die hard 😅
The irony. Well I am going to stand against genuine racism because that's all I seen on this little podcast today. You guys picked out a group of people and blamed them for tearing apart the church when it's you tearing apart the church...
I'm going to look around at some more You guys's video and I see any more of this divisive dishonesty, then me and the 13 other people in this room will unsub. I know I know you don't care, but we do and that's the point
Are you an anon account for AD Robles?
Racism? Really?
@@YTTraveler777lol
I literally spend 30 minutes in the gym and I get a good workout at work. Doesn't sound like I'm wasting a bunch of time being bronze. And why would anybody want to be bronze anyways. You guys are the first people that I've ever heard talk about this
It’s certainly prevalent in RUclips and I’ve came across some channels that push this notion of going back to the “old ways.” Which involves getting away from Christianity.
Spending 30min in the gym is not being bronze. But the guys on the podcast didn't say it is. I think you've missed their point. I would like to talk to you privately if you will, we could do it on facebook or discord.
This was a breath of fresh air. Thank you guys
Is Ion Layer one of the Bronze Age idols? Seems to suspiciously promote masculine health…
Thanks for your good work, fellas!
Was the serpent in the garden a female?
Why is AD Robles now attacking Pastor Jeff? Why is he attacking Dr. White? Just unsubbed from his channel cuz of that.
I’d guess it’s because JW lied and then doubled down on that lie while actively spreading slander in order to destroy AD’s own pastor. I would have never imagined he would act that way. Sad to see.
@linkp.3516 JW already addressed the claims of lying. Try again.
Even if JW did lie, doesn't excuse the garbage views the other side is embracing
@@MultiRocknroll123What is your argument? If you haven’t seen the proof, do the research. There is video, audio, and even leaked emails and text messages. The point is JW, DW, and some others, spent at least a couple months in a concerted effort to destroy Joel Webbon’s life and career, and it was based on a lie.
Only reason I replied to the OP is because I’m in the opposite camp. Listened to JW, DW, Apologia for years. Learned about Joel Webbon during this controversy. These men need to repent.
@@linkp.3516what did Dr. White lie about?
Because AD is a liar who thrives on controversy.
Did he really just accuse somebody of slandering and making false accusations as he is slandering and making both accusations? Wow I never thought I would see something like this come out of that church. Even though I do not agree with apology at church or so-called reformed Baptist because I believe in free will but I've always respected them, unfortunately I'm having a hard time with that right now. I can't stand when people try to divide the church on false pretenses