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KISS Backing Tracks Xposed in Belgium Again : June 2023 End of the Road Farewell Tour Live
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2023
- Last year a clip of Paul Stanley flubbing his fake vocal part on DRC in Belgium went viral. They just played Belgium again and had another lip synch flub. Tommy gets out of synch with the click, the pre-recorded chorus backing vocals fire a beat too early, and the three guitarists are left a beat out from Eric for the rest of the song, leading to a confusing mess of sound. Going out on top huh? Thanks to Fonz Army member Boris for alerting me to the screwup and the Metalheads for the video.
Last year a clip of Paul Stanley flubbing his fake vocal part on DRC in Belgium went viral. They just played Belgium again and had another lip synch flub. Tommy gets out of synch with the click, the pre-recorded chorus backing vocals fire a beat too early, and the three guitarists are left a beat out from Eric for the rest of the song, leading to a confusing mess of sound. Going out on top huh? Thanks to Fonz Army member Boris for alerting me to the screwup and the Metalheads for the video.
Whose backing tracks were those?? Gene's?
@@emiistanley It’s a chorus so it’ll be a blend of Tommy Gene and Eric.
@@thefonzkiss wow.. didn't know they also used tracks in the chorus...
It's hard to watch and listen to!
I have been listening to losers like you criticize KISS for 45 years. You never produce anything, they built a whole world out of thin air.
I saw the last Black Sabbath reunion tour. Ozzy messed up on Children of the Grave after the guitar solo and tried to come in early, he caught himself and watched Tony that gladly qued him when to come back in. I really appreciated seeing that live, no faking it for them.
Black Sabbath were known to be a bit dodgy live. I did see them several times. If they missed a queue they or fluffed a solo, they went to an improvised jam or carried on. They were legit and no backing tracks.
I love KISS but the tour is robbing off fans and exploiting them whilst they can.
I was told by a work mate who KISS in Birmingham he sensed the backing tracks and miming a lot. KISS use a lot of theatrics and distractions, so a lot people miss the gaffs.
Ozzy saves the faking for his solo shows.
I'm sure they'll get it right for the next farewell tour or the one after that.
2024 Vegas “A residency isn’t a tour” Residency
I saw the 1st farewell tour is was great but that was 20 yrs ago
Hahah
Should have packed it in on the “Farewell” tour. I can remember actually tearing up when Paul said “Remember that tonight there was a band here that LOVED you and thought that you all deserved the BEST !!!!!!” Sometimes you have to know when to say when.
Totally.
Man, as a huge Kiss fan this just pisses me off! Kiss will always be my favorite band, and I have seen them almost 30 times since 1984. I've been a fan since 1977, I was 7 years old. But I wouldn't buy a ticket to see them now. I'll buy other things that they may put out, but not a ticket. Never thought I'd say that. It is sad for sure.
Admitting you have a problem is the first step. Thanks for joining the Fonz Army
@@thefonzkiss Fonz is a 40 year old virgin
@@thefonzkiss-- He's the one with the problem? You make a point to watch every RUclips video of a band that you hate, and then make derogatory comments about them and the people who still like them. They're wealthy enough. Do they have to live rent free, in your head too??
I have only seen them 3 times. A three timer. 84. 96.19. I have to admit that the show in 19 was better than in 96. Peter started out great but 45 minutes in he started to drag.
I didn`t mind them using backing vocal tracks. Bands have been using it since the 70s.
@@user-lb8qx8yl8k _I was made for faking it baby_
_You were made for paying me_
_I can’t get enough of your money_
_Can you please keep paying me_
When the show misses a cog it all gets exposed. Tommy knows it's out of sync and Paul would be giving Tommy the death stare. Gene just goes into bass line solo mode and Eric plays on without a care in the world. I do love how the audience just gave up trying to clap to the messed up out of sync sound.
since the make up and costumes are the most important thing to them and their fans the backing track could be that of an entirely different band and it wouldn't matter.
Paint your face and go see the circus! That’s their fanbase live now.
thanks but music is more important to me than make up and costumes.@@JeffTullock-fs4de
The reunion tour of 96/97 was raw, sometimes imperfect but it ot was real and honest and makes this geriatric nonsense look shameful. After all Paul's talk about critics and music experts hating the band, it was Paul and Gene themselves that destroyed it in the end. 😂😂😂
Totally, they just proved the critics were right all along. Good comment.
Don't forget, Paul & Gene blame Peter & Ace for all the screw ups in the past. Really surprised they're not trying to lay the blame on them now, even though they're not in the band.
Yeah, no shit. That was 27 years ago.
In the 1970s they played the songs as fast as they could and the show was over in 40 minutes. The sooner the show was over the faster they could get laid. The 96 97 tour they played the songs much closer to the records.
right on. exactly. well put my friend.
Kiss is like the simplest, most fundamental rock in the world. Imagine needing backing tracks for that.
Let's see you sing in your late 60's what you sang in your 20's. Grow up.
Easy to judge when you're not the one onstage 😊
@@blunderr6113Other bands manage it with far more demanding music.
Paul had a great voice up to about 2009. From then on his voice has been getting stiffer and stiffer over time. I don’t blame him because he really can’t sing anymore. I always watch videos from before and Paul was truly awesome. Anyway, a bit of empathy wouldn’t hurt, woukd it ?
@@blunderr6113 I could play every kiss song within one day of learning. But for me, that’s pretty boring.
It’s not KISS without Ace And Peter anyways
Have you heard Ace recently? He is terrible
he cannot play any more. It sounds like someone
is , killing a cat.
@@darrenwiggins9957so the exact way Kiss would sound if they ACTUALLY performed live these days?
I’m glad I saw the real KISS on the real Farewell tour in 2000 and didn’t waste my money on this cover band.
Wow such an original comment
I saw them in the early 80s, that was good enough for me.
KISS have ALWAYS been a joke band.
@@SpeccyHoraceCircus Clowns. 🤡
If they really wanted to "go out on top" they should've quit about fifteen years ago. The good thing is now they don't have to bother locking Paul's hotel room since he hasn't been able to find the right key in years.
Yeah … before the hook booted ace and Peter for the last time. Also my first concert (the reunion.)
It was all downhill after 1977. Alive 2 was the last good album.
They should have actually said Farewell after the Farewell tour.
Maybe should have quit around Creatures
How about 40 years ago.
KISS was my first band that was "mine", not from the parents record collection. 1976-1980 I barely listened to anybody else and they influenced me to be a musician, so there will always be a soft spot in my blackened heart for them. However nearly every video I see of this current tour looks like a regurgitated hairball of previous tours and a complete lethargic snooze fest. Ive seen them live a bunch starting with Love Gun tour, even backstage access for one of their confusing early 90's tours, I will just let those sleeping memory dogs lie.
Nailed it.
Thanks.for helping me.relive my days as a huge KISS Fan. They were about all that I listened to, too. The first three albums I ever bought were KISS Love Gun, Steve Millers Greatest Hits, and to this day I can't figure out why, but I bought the 'Close Encounters of the third kind' Soundtrack. I scratch my head over that one. Lol. Take care.
Eric Singer used to play like a beast, I know he's older now but damn it looks like he's not really putting any heart or soul into it now, just going thru the motions at a reduced rate. Then you have Tommy Aldridge who is 71 yrs old and still plays like he's 20.
sad but true.👍
I think it’s because it’s a backing track. He’s not really playing
Eric's the only member playing and singing, he has to pace himself
Can you blame him? He’s played all the same songs literally thousands of times
All KISS aside, thank you for mentioning Tommy Aldridge !
I was fascinated & borderline obsessed with KISS when l was a kid in the 70's, they haven't had the energy to pull their act off since the 96/97 Réunion.
Millions and millions around the world disagree.
@@daveb8449 Imo they were done by the Réunion tour & should have left it at that with Ace & Peter back together as the original band line-up, & credibility intact & zillions in their bank accounts, they really have been flogging a dead horse ever since.
Unplugged was the right time to quit
@@marcodanko8211 Yeah unplugged didn't help any band
@@daveb8449 Well I live near Plymouth in the uk and they had to cancel the show because not enough tickets were sold so I’d say a lot do agree
0:47 Tommy knows he screwed up he starts desperately waving to the audio guy on the right to kill the click. He did it a few times I saw it from a different angle.
Glad the last time I saw them play was the reunion tour in '96. I can remember them on a good note.
I saw them at Comerica Park in Detroit with Alice in Chains. I believe it was that tour. It was a great show. I was never a huge kiss fan, but always thought they were cool. Growing up in the seventies and eighties they were definitely part of my life's soundtrack.
@@ericnortan9012 Nice!
@@crosswalklarry
🤘💀🤘
No pun intended....
PISS played this way better on their farewell tour years ago.
😂😂😂
Many tribute bands sound better than the original.
Paul has such a powerful voice that his backing vocals can carry to the mic from ten feet away.
He must have the powers from the Synchchild talisman.
@@thefonzkiss I had completely forgotten about his special powers. We must all immediately apologise for our syncing accusations. Poor Paul.
@@thefonzkissShe is made of iron sir, I assure you she will synch.
@@devintariel3769 That’s hilarious!
@@thefonzkiss you're looking for someone, but it's not Kiss
Remember back in the day when kiss was kiss and played like kiss and sounded like kiss…good times!😂👍👍
What a damn shame I wish they would have retired after the farewell tour in 2000.
How close are we to the end of the road again?
It's lip sync time again!
You Know It Always Will.”😂
My favorite band always, but I can’t except that Paul and Gene messed up the way they did. Keeping the cat and Ace makeup decision was a very bad choice. If they had their own makeup, they would be happier, the old REAL fans would be happier. It would not be as good as Peter and Ace up there, but it would be better then someone pretending . How can Peter or Ace show up at a show, their would be two of each. You can’t just copy people without it seeming like a half of a tribute band. As a old school Kiss fan, I could not buy a ticket to a new show. What would I tell my son, that guy is dressed as Ace Frehley, and that one is dressed as Peter Criss , but the other two are real. That’s just messed up.
Well said and so true . Unfortunately someone gave me a ticket for an upcoming show , I’ll be holding my nose .
Hahaha lol
First concert I ever saw was KISS in 1977. I was a fanatic back then. Sad to see them like this.
How sad this band has become.
Give me 1974 kiss any day ...Raw in ya face vocals,guitars and Petes amazing drumming
Agree.
Ace's solo shows are way better than this mess.
Pete's amazing drummer lol. Oh dear...
If you think that Peter 😂was an "amazing " drummer than you don't know much about drumming
@@BigBaller-he1dz funny how those records sold and so did ticket sales in the 70s....
I went to their concert in Melbourne, Australia when Ace and Peter came back in the mid to late 90s. It was a fabulous concert. A few stumbles but you knew it was real. That was the perfect time to retire. But Simmons and Stanley want to drain every last dollar out of the fans. That never sat well with me. I will always love kiss and listen to their music but they should have retired gracefully last century.
97. Thanks for the comment and I agree.
@@mizumon2515 hahaha that's funny. You have a far better memory than me, it might have been. I remember Ace shooting some sort of lazer from his guitar towards the ceiling..
@@mizumon2515 yeah I agree completely. I went to see them 1 more time after that, in Melbourne . The concert with the Melbourne symphony orchestra . Nothing beats the original line-up though, I agree. But the continual milking of the fans is what I hated.
@@mizumon2515 your uncle was ahead of his time. I was still a passionate fan right up until Psycho Circus. Then it finally dawned on me.
Always, regardless of what Simmons and Stanley comment regarding the fans, has been about the money $$$. Always.
Lol too funny.
Oddly enough I like this jam solo section better than normal. Atleast they are really playing live and having to play off each other instead of the click. Gene knows it's lost so he just kicks into some sick bass fills. Tommy is having to actually improvise to somehow play between Eric and Gene. Instantly gives it a better more alive and breathing feel to it instead of the stale paint by numbers jams we're used to hearing.
Agree.
Fuck'n aye mate...🚰🚰🚰
Dude I hella agree!!
There’s ways to use tracks and not have to stick exactly to an arrangement, but these guys just do the same damn thing every night. I love when they jam!
Very good point
They were my first concert (Destroyer tour)... but people paying to see them now is just sad.
I've always been a fan of live music . And the best part of live music is hearing flaws occasionally or when you know someone just nailed a song that's very hard to play live. I don't need perfection. But I do need it to be an honest live performance. If you can't do it then don't do it. It hurts alot more that the band you cane to see is a fraud than it is to know the band you love is getting old and needs to retire. But a horrible live show is way better than a perfect fake show.
It's ironic that Gene and Paul are so hell-bent on making themselves appear to be so flawless, even at the end of their run, so they can validate their "going out on top" claim-- but it's the very process of attempting to come off flawless that is exposing them as being so flawed and totally NOT going out on top. Far from it actually.
@@777zippy777 Motley Crue and WASP is even worse than Kiss in 2023.
Guns'n Roses is at rock bottom. Their concerts lasts 3 hours, because Axel needs 5 minute break between each song as he can't sing two songs in a row due to lack of breath.
@@V3ntilator Of that I have no doubt. But if 2023 KISS is smelly shit... and 2023 Crue, Wasp, and GnR is smellier shit, so be it.
It's all just varying levels of shit.
@@777zippy777 I think you are 100% right.
@@777zippy777 Metallica, Megadeth and 90% of other metal bands still plays for real with no faking. Rob Halford in Judas Priest use teleprompter on stage because he can't remember the lyrics.
The Milli Vanilli of the Rock world. You got to know when it's time to go and they all have no shame.
I had to stop at 1.37. How sad. By the way @TheFonz there is a guy called "Adam Bomb" who was in attendance at the show and paid monies to get up on the stage before the show started. He was allowed to play Tommy Guitar. He was so goooood you can see Tommy getting nervous and saying "That is enough now" I cannot link it but the guys name should help. Take care of you and thanks for putting the truth out there. LEGEND!!!!
Yeah he’s a good player. Thanks for joining the Fonz Army and remember : _Tonight, I’m gonna fake it all for you_
_In the darkness, there’s nothing my tracks can’t do_
He didnt pay monies. He's a friend of Toomy's from way back.
Check: The Last Bandits! (Adam Bomb's recent band)
Adam Bomb is a friend of Tommy and also auditioned for Kiss in the eighties.. thats why he eas allowed to play a little on stage that evening. Hes a little crazy guy thats why hes always a little rocknroll renegade.. he’s a true rocknroller I also spent some time with him years ago in Rome.. Tommy was nervous because Adam went a little too far.. and probably was afraid that Gene and Paul would get angry with him. (You can see Paul ANd Gene dont love Adam particularly for his exuberance.. he probably remind them of the old Ace of the end of the seventies)
@@giorgioc8551 he was a heroin junky, maybe still is. Right?
I saw Kiss in 1977...Still the best concert I ever saw.
jesus, sorry for you...
@@olegyamleq7796 What band have you seen, that you would consider the best concert you have ever seen ?
@@mickeyjohn2442 muddy waters in a 1200 capacity club. iggy pop in a 1200 capacity club. ramones in a 1200 capacity club. metallica (with Cliff) as the opening act for W.A.S.P in a 1200 capacity club. NIN at woodstock 1994. marillion (with fish) in a 1200 capacity club. SRV in a 1200 capacity club and ticket price was $1.99. Jane's Addiction in a small club in Texas supporting their first album. Down in a 2500 capacity club. Johnny Winter in a 1200 capacity club. QOTSA in a 2500 capacity club. Jane's Addiction in Toronto at first Lollapalooza. Ministry in Toronto at second Lollapalooza. Porno for Pyros at woodstock 1994. Danzig in a 1200 capacity club. Fu Manchu in a 500 capacity club. Red Hot Chili Peppers in a 2500 capacity club (first time hearing smells like teen spirit as it was playing on the PA before the show). Seeing Motorhead in a 1200 capacity club and then leaving and going up and seeing Circle Jerks in a 500 capacity club. Seeing Tool in an arena and then leaving and going up and seeing Fantômas (with Lombardo on drums). Seeing Suicidal Tendencies in a 500 capacity club. Seeing D.R.I. in a 500 capacity club. Seeing Slayer (with Lombardo on drums) in a 4000 capacity club. Seeing Beastie Boys in a 4000 capacity club. shall i go on...
@@olegyamleq7796no please don't, you sound like a five headed spackerly hobgoblin
All the concerts I went to in the late 70's through the 80's were very good. Hot as hell on the floor. Thr never ending push foraward. Soaked in sweat on the way home to a Taco bell... Good times. Really good times with good people.
I worked on the first Depeche Mode tour. They used a Revox machine and just noodled over the top.
OMD also used a backing tape.
I think they should've stoped after the original farewell tour in the early 2000's after the reunion tour. Or at the very least,taken off the make-up and stage outfits and went back to regular street clothes. Like they did in the 80's and 90's. Even if they couldn't get Bruce back in the band as he had already moved on to other bands and projects. Just pick up where they left off in 96 with Eric and Tommy and keept going like that . The last time i saw them live was the Rock The Nation Tour in 2004-2005 I think and they were still pretty good at that point,at least the show i got to see was. But they kinda went down hill from there. Also my big cimplaint is they've been basically doing the same set list for over 20 years,give or take a song or 2. The only non makeup era songs ive seen them do is Lick it Up, Heavens on fire,and Unholy.. thats it and theres so many good songs they should be playing that came out in the non makeup years 83-96.
Bruce would have come back in a heartbeat if they asked him, he’s just been a scab for Grand Funk for decades. Union had some good songs but they couldn’t find an audience. Thayer just got the gig because he was already there and when he started doing it in 2002 it was just for things like That 70s Show and that Dick Clark special, he was 100% a ring-in at that point. They asked Ace to come back for a year but he didn’t want to work with Gene anymore and the rest is history.
@@thefonzkiss it's just so disappointing to me. I am/ was a KISS ARMY SOLDIER ever since I first discovered them back in like 75/76 . I had heard a song or 2 before on radio. Like R&R.A.N. or maybe D.R.C.,Beth,ect.. but I hadn't actually (seen)them yet. Then the Paul Lynde Halloween Special came on tv. Well that was it I was hooked lol. So a little time goes by and my mom and I were at a coworker of hers family get together this was around early 77 maybe I'm not sure it's been a long time... and I was there hanging out with this girls younger brothers and sisters. She had a teenager boy and girl,and two younger girls around my age then a younger boy. Anyway I'm sitting there I think we were playing cards or something and the guy says hold on I'm gonna play some music he opened up the stereo cabinet and had a few good albums of the day. Stuff like Fleetwood Mac,Peter Frampton, Eagles,E.L.O.,ECT.. and then there it was,.. KISS ALIVE! also DISTROYER ! So naturally I freaked out and told them how I'd only just seen them on the Halloween Special. And had never seen them before. And I ask if he would play alive or at least part of it and well my journey was on . No pun intended lol. So I beg my mom to get me the New album as soon as it came out or take me to get it with my alowence. I had already seen a tv commercial for a music store that had all the new releases and it showed Rock and Roll Over . So I got it . And managed to get pretty much all new releases by them within a week of coming out from then on. My first concert was KISS DYNASTY TOUR,Sunday night October 14,1979. Opening act John Cougar.
Not up to you to decide🤷♂️
They do pretty Well. Look at the success They have. Thats What counts in the end.
@@thomasvikstrom8824Lizzo has a lot of success too, is that all that counts? Integrity means nothing?
In the end not so much. Cred is a very overrated word@@giraffesareselfish9563
Mortal sin for that chump to be wearing the Spaceman’s makeup & gear. 🛸
They have been retiring for like 20 years 😂😂😂😂 and we just saw Ace Frehely last week in our town in Jersey and he still rocks
This is pathetic. Even the audience looks bored. Paul instructs the crowd to clap their hands and it lasted for about 8 seconds .
The audience consisted of a lot of older people lol
@@davsquaredo79 so did the band.
Imagine if you will a time when bands actually played their instruments. GOD I miss the days of LS and Sweet Home Alabama.....
I saw LS, the early 90s version anyway, at Camp LeJuene when I was a Marine. It was pretty cool, obviously not the real deal but great show.
Kiss is not a band you listen to, it's a band you watch
Bingo, exactly why they began with the costumes in the 70's in order to compensate for musical ability and lyrics. The unusual blood out the mouth show compensated.
Sunburn too.
It's sad in it's way, Kiss was my first band i was a fan of in the mid 80's, my denim jacket was full of Kiss patches and i had the coolest poster of Kiss with purple background that i got from my punk friend. I belong to the 80's or even before that, 2000's has been hell.
Yeah man.
I like everything the mid/late 1970s to the early 2000s. I'm watching Kiss Symphony right now and it's a good show I think. Late 2003 to early 2004 was when I felt things started going to hell, both for Kiss and things in general. That was also the same time frame AJPW wrestling (All Japan) went downhill and my favorite "Dr. Death" Steve Williams got sick.
They all handled it well, no one lost their cool, even though it sounds like two songs at once. That's where experience and being professional comes in. Sure, after the gig, would've been some ass kicking.
They don't take another cent from me.
I think they were always like Milli Vanilli
I’m tired of defending these guys
Welcome to ten years ago, and that’s being kind.
@@thefonzkiss wish I was old enough to have seen the real band. I’m seeing them again this October, but I know what I’m in for. No good tribute bands are coming near me so I don’t have much of a choice
@@hoovie1417 the real band has been a tribute band for years.
I’m tired to watch these fake clowns. Happy to see the real Kiss in 1998
Tbf, stanley and simmons voices have gone kapoot so they need that bit of extra help, but they put on a great show, a feast for the eyes, not so much for the ears these days!
At what exact time does it happen? I can't catch it on this vid
0:58
ahh they cleaned it up nicely really you only notice the drums off beat but still in time when it happens, everyone else quickly adjusted and the drums just swung the beat as if it was planned
That voice of Paul...
🥵😂
What voice? HAHAHA!
“Screwups. Screwups everywhere” - Buzz Lightyear
Also, it just gets so damn worse when it comes to screwups. We’re almost six months left until December, their final show and here we are.
P.S: Thanks Fonz! We wanted the best, we got extremely depressed. What we got the best only is from you
“I see no sign of intelligent life anywhere”
@@Nicktheguy24 "PAUL, GENE, LOOK! ACTUAL SINGING!"
@@bloodyassault803 😂😆 I’ve never seen a band get caught lip syncing multiple times like KISS has. And how obvious they make it 💀
Saw them in Manchester just before covid. Flawless in my opinion.
If you think you can name a band on that scale who don't use tracks, you're probably very mistaken.
Plenty use tracks to support the music sure. I can’t name another major touring band where the lead singer mimes 85% of his lead vocals like Paul Stanley does though. Thanks for the comment.
Actually here’s one - Frankie Valli mimes every vocal. But he’s hardly a rock band.
@thefonzkiss 😅 I know when someone is miming, belive me, I worked with a backing track artist once upon a time and its not an easy thing to do, but I assure you from some of the bum notes, Paul Stanley is a LIVE singer!
Sammy Hagar still sings, so does Rob Halford. Both older than Paul.
@@adamdarcymusic3488Apparently you don’t. The bum notes are because Paul does have a live mic and sings some lines here and there. Every night in Detroit Rock City he sings up until the first chorus and it sounds like ass. Then miraculously everything improves and he’s at the exact same pitch every night.
The only great thing I see that there aren't any DUMMY PHONES in the Audience not Ruining the concert Experience. BRAVO on BELGIUM AUDIENCE 😎🤘
53, life long Kiss fan...
Last show was 96 reunion tour...
My 15 yr old son wants to go to Indy in November...
Instead...we watched Tiger Stadium 96 launch the other night...
I did my part..
Not a chance i would waste money on this ..
Give me Ace and his rings hitting the fret board and out of time occasionally...raw, authentic, Rock n Roll!
Yup. I was at Tiger Stadium 96 tour as well. That was magical. This is...not.
Maybe you can get drunk at Applebees and watch Ace play “dolls” live boyo.
@@Longlivedolphnigga That'd still be better than this Kisseokee
@@kenmcalpine2215 you’re only dick riding ace because you never had the displeasure of listening to his solo albums.
Old Gin
Music From The Elderly
🤣
@@thefonzkiss 🤣
On 2016 Stanley against backing tracks 😅
I don’t mind sloppy playing, as long as it’s real. To see/hear this is a real bummer. I guess I won’t be playing any recent Kiss Live music on the No Fake Stuff stream. I’ll have to delve back to the 70s, 80’s and 90s eras …
Going to see kiss is like changing seats on the titanic.
Meaning
@@VintagegainzNartistic meaning no where you are at the concert kiss will somehow sink themselves whether it’s back ground tracks or going on the radio calling the original members piss
Well, considering a concert is in an enclosed area....yeah. The show is going to have the same ups and downs no matter where you are. That's pretty well known.
and hitting the propeller as it sinks....
I really like how they turn the song to a good ending. This is great
Thank god for click track and a voice counting in the end for them
I got free golden circle tickets to last Kiss concert ever in Europe. Gonna watch final show at Tonsberg in Norway in 5 days.
_People try to take my voice away_
_But I’ll use tracks because the fans still pay_
_I love to lip synch, it makes me proud_
_I’d use my real voice, but I ain’t allowed_
_These are fakey fakey fakey fakey shytes_
I saw Kiss 10 times from 98 to around 2006ish. The last time was right after they came back from i think Australia when they booted Ace & Peter without me knowing. Soon as I saw it was Thayer instead of Ace I left. I couldn't believe I hadn't heard about this & felt cheated.
Im glad they are going out on top and before everyone is saying i just wish they would quit
Going out on tape!
Paul is definitely a bottom
lol best comment yet
Going to their concerts now feels like reliving the Vesuvius lip syncing scene over and over again…
_Lip lip, lip and destroy_
_You know the hour’s gettin late!_
_Lip lip, lip and destroy_
_Mime the words and seal your fate!_
@@thefonzkiss Dear Fonz, I didn't quite understand what it was. So Gene, Tommy and Eric are singing this part to the soundtrack? However, it looks more like they started singing at different times. In short, I didn't understand, please help me figure it out
Good film
@@lastguitaristintheworld3703 listen to the first chorus after the breakdown part. There’s voices out of nowhere saying “cold gin time again” a beat too early before the actual band sing it. They quickly get turned off.
I’m not sure where the problem is other than for the first few seconds I thought they were playing Winona’s big brown beaver. Can someone explain what went wrong??
The timing is definitely a bit off on "Cold Gin". I saw Paul take a peek at Eric to let him know.
Kiss has been entertaining for a long time now, but I noticed even years back when listening to those live records that something just didn't sound right and how they blended all that mayhem together into a coherent sound without a mishap. In any event, it's time to hang it up for these guys now before it gets to be like a bad lounge show or something. They made enough cash.
Every band pretty much ever, screws around in the studio on the live recording after their live album is recorded. ACDC was famous for it.
Never enough for the Demon!
It’s WAY too late for that.
I actually think its Pauls guitar that makes everything sound messy. Gene is actually reasonably tight and clean, and theyve switched all the other guys but still always sounded messy
Geez. Just….play….live. Click track just sucks the life and feel…and spontaneity of….everything!
So the click track is for them to keep the tempo as bands tend to play faster live. Getting off time can be due to a bunch of different things. Just not hearing something will get you off time or the in ear monitor going out, and then its hard to get back in time.
Hahahahahahahahaha! I love pre Tommy Kiss but this is freaking HILARIOUS... especially the crowd's reaction!
Glad I didnt waste my money on the final 2 shows cause Ace and Peter probably WONT be there.
No way will Ace and Peter be there.
Way to go out on top guys! That's just night the KISS I remember and loved.
Well...to be fair...you're probably hearing tapes now of them playing what you knew & loved (40 years ago), lol.
What? Shit? LOL
You see Paul freeze and damn near shit himself when that happened lmao
Why can't Gene keep his hands and tongue off of Tommy? He used to do the same to Ace.
I would rather hear real LIVE playing with mistakes & stuff then missing the click. These guys are Rock & Roll LEGENDS... they don't need the perfection of backing tracks, it's just making them look bad. They are better than that!
Yes and no. Paul can’t sing anymore so he literally needs the fake vocals to get through a show. The other option is he just sings 5 songs and lets the other three sing the rest, but his massive ego won’t allow that to happen. Thanks for the comment.
They were legends. That’s gone, at least in this former fans eye. I can’t stand them, absolute fakes.
There's only 2 legends in this line up
You'd be surprised at how many bands use increasing levels of backing tracks. It's very common.
It’s not about fearing mistakes, they became old by now. They cannot play like they did ages ago. There is a time when one should just stop and quit. Those grandpas didn’t hear the bell ringing.
The thing is that they still ask the full price for the tickets. When I pay for a live concert, I want to fucking hear a live concert.
Btw. Did you notice lipsync also with other bands like Scorpions, Wasp, DefLeppard etc? I went to see Scorpions a week ago and it was soooo good that I was like daamn, no way this was real! 😄 But everyone was like - it was real so I dunno... I mean, even if that was just lipsync - I loved it anyways 🙂
Lots of bands run tracks in the background but not many have almost all of the lead singer’s vocals on track like KISS. Steel Panther have quite a bit of the lead vocals on track now.
@@thefonzkiss So basically do you think that all the songs are just lipsync? 🤔 I mean... it is even them on the stage or it it different people 🙈
@@thefonzkiss seen the winery dogs recently- Richie Kotzen- Billy Sheehan and Mike Portnoy- no backing tracks just pure musicianship and top talent musician’s at their instruments
It was awesome because Mikkey Dee was on the drums! Most powerful drummer I’ve ever seen.
@@genebassmanAnd yet Portnoy is major KISS fan. You won't find him dissing them.
It’s sad they had to pull this on their final tour.
Totally agree. What a way to “go out on top”.
This is the Australian rock band Kiss. The man on the left is the bass player. His name is Perky Turkish. he's dressed as an evil clown.
I think you’re right.
Watched them in Tønsberg, Norway! Great performance 17 yr old and a fan since childhood may be lip sync but in their 70s I guess it’s no wonder
Scorpions have the same age and they still perform a real live show (and a pretty good one)
I would rather they didn't use them, and you don't see it often with many rock bands. But the use of backing tracks is pretty common in a lot of music today. There was a recent festival where of 40 bands, only 1 didn't use backing tracks. These big Las Vegas style shows tend to use them more. Still good to be aware of before going though. It makes it feel like more of a celebration of Kiss and tough to compare to the raw 70's-90's shows. That's really the experience with most classic bands still touring.
I totally missed it. When did it happen?
As they go back into the chorus after the breakdown part.
What happened?
I am trying to pick what's wrong too. For me it sounds a bit funny at the 1:20 mark.
That's not their REAL
Hair either!!!!!
Ahh, Tommy misted the cue and started "on the two" - so one quarter note late - and also Eric was not very clear when setting up a proper count-in cue.... Hard to get back into it then. Well, these things happen and been there myself too.
If it goes out of time and they not playing in time with the drums that would suggest they are playing kive and the click track messaded up, as they don't hear what the crowed hears
Did you not hear the fake background vocals play out of time? Thanks for the comment and interesting spelling.
Honestly they pulled it together pretty well. It almost sounded cool with it being off a beat lmao. It's crazy how it's probably so much more difficult to play to a track like that lol. Every mistake is SO costly. Wish they'd just be honest about it.
In which KISS proves (again) touring with Milli Vanilli would make perfect sense
Oh my ,
I heard them say its going to be real.......do they mean reel like tape reel ?
@PaulStanley-dg7hk Whatever , really had it with the videos.
I'd buy a ticket as soon they were available .
Still get to see the Best That You Wanted.
It's Kiss man 🤟
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For years as a kid how many of us fans were told…”You don’t like kiss’ music, you just like the makeup and stage show.” That was 100% a lie. Fast forward to the early 2000’s. It couldn’t be more true. “Let’s paint our faces and go see kiss!” The music now takes a trailer because they refused to put it in the back seat.
Simmons described lip-syncing as dishonest. "I don't care what your music is, have some integrity, be real, or full disclosure before the fact," he said. "Hold up a sign that says, '70 percent of what you hear is fake. It's a tape. I'm a karaoke singer.'" - Gene Simmons, hypocrite.
He sure as heck did. The worst kind of hypocrite.
That didn't age well. 🙄
You would think Eric Singer, being a veteran professional drummer, would pick up that he's playing on the off-beat & correct himself a lot sooner than he did, drummers can cover their mistakes if they are present in the moment. I'm sure he's played 'Cold Gin' hundreds of times by now
That’s the problem, he’s asleep at the wheel. He’s so bored of the show by this point.
Hundreds? Try thousands. Easily.
Yer he is so bored
He just thinking about the £££££
Keith Moon falling down drunk still kept a perfectly sloppy beat!
He doesn't care anymore
This was just part of a process.
Thanks Doc. Where are everyone’s _KISS Your Money Dubai_ packages?
As a guitarist,drummer and vocalist for over 20 years semi prof. I can say with certainty that singing in your 20's and singing in your 70's are 2 VERY different things, same goes for playing, KISS has done enough to prove their merit for the past what? 50 years? Lol give em a break id love too see these trolls in the comments tour in their 70s without a little assistance on days with vocal issues, better then canceling the show or sounding awful when nature takes control and unsurprisingly messes with a 74 yr olds vocal chords or arthritic hands lol, most artists today dont even sing a single note its all lip sync and live autotune and they're still young and capable enough to have no excuse for that. KISS doesnt lip sing they use assistance when needed but very much still perform live, you can hear every unentended squeak in Pauls voice when he pushes too hard and they do a very bare bones live sound check b4 every single show for a small crowd and its as raw as it can get, people need to know what theyre talking about b4 getting heated at a band theyve never seen live lol Reminds me of the people who cry about KISS using a click track and say how they would never.... yea it's not nessary playing in a bar to 50 people but when your selling out stadiums and need your lights and pyro and video packages to all sync up perfectly thats not done without a click nor should it be, that's exactly how artists can end up catching fire on stage due to mis timed pyro
Thanks for the life story KISStard!
PS No one is forcing them to tour 23 years after their “last ever” farewell tour in 2000. They’re the ones that lie about never sounding better then go out and mime the singing. It’s not like they need the money.
Just enjoy these legendary performer's. I saw them with no tracks in the day, Paul's voice was so powerful. but considering they are still working hard and this is the entertainment business I'm not going to be too hard on them. Those original recordings were him singing. This happens when you grow older. Still love these guys. Tracks or not. Those tracks belong to them. They can do what makes the show better, Hate to see them go. When your a singer, its coming , you just don't know when. But you know what, THATS PAUL FN STANLEY !!!!!! Be glad you were there. Soon you wont have that option :)
Lame excuses. Would you still go if the music is on tape as well as the vocal?
These guys are multi-millionaires, asking top dollar for these shitty shows. The least a fan should expect is for them to give a shit and perform live as a band.
I liked them because I was a kid and everyone else liked them as a kid until I saw them on some TV shows and the sound was simply horrible. It was upsetting. I gave the records away out of disgust. I'm embarrassed I liked them. Then again, I was a teen. We were their market. It was more a media phenomena and basic rock formula than a band and it was promoted as such. They just weren't good musicians and needed the studio. There were far better musicians in the 70's. The Allman Brothers, Yes, The Eagles, ZZ Top the list goes on. Before you get your panties in bunch it's my opinion. I don't give a damn if you like them or not. I can't imagine how people could even be surprised by this. Then again, most music is simply a product, it isn't just them. I like the Eagles as a band, but the personalties of Frey and Henley are just abrasive assholes. They still don't come to Simmons who's truly a disgusting person.
To toravnerflyr6911: Articulate, succinct and concise comment. Exactly why they began with the makeup initially and the stage show in order to compensate.
I've heard similar criticism of Boston. I'm sure there are others
Zeppelin, actually, too. On records they sound great. Live? Not so much
Aside from the "cell phone" audio... I sat watching this..... as a drummer I tapped out the beat... and it matched the entire time.... ... Are they still in their 20's-30's no, but neither are any bands from the early 70's... At least they have 2 original members... the Eagles have but one... and they charge more... lol
They definately use backing tapes, mostly Paul. But not here. Paul's not even supposed to sing during the chorus. First the lead guitarist comes in too late with the riff after the count in. The drummer tries to adjust and it's a mess from there. But I don't see any lip syncing in this case. They just start singing the chorus at different times and struggle to sync up. Whenever you hear singing, there's someone at the mic.
It’s not about Paul. Didn’t you hear the backing gang vocals play in the wrong place? Watch it again.
Bands have been using backing tracks for 4 decades...Bands you thought weren't using them...were using them...not just pop bands...Every genre...even Metal Bands...look up Pantera Cowboys from Hell live Ozzfest 2000...The whole intro is on tape...Trust me...More bands than you would ever know enhance live in some way or another...My career was in the music business (37 years) since retired.
Ya complemental backing tracks are fine...but up there lip syncing and miming to a full track is stupid.
@@waychunky I agree with you 100%...I'm more referring to some of the comments on here that talk about backing tracks period...And complain about it...One of the biggest reasons why so many bands started using backing tracks was because of RUclips itself and the fans...People would film a band with their phone and put the videos up on RUclips...if the band didn't sound perfect, people would trash them for not sounding good...and that started affecting bands profit margin for live performance...because people would say...They sound crappy live I don't want to waste my money...So I say to the fans...make up your mind...Stop complaining that artists don't sound great live...because vocals are off or it sounds nothing like the album or...Stop complaining that they sound perfect live because they use backing tracks.
@@mickeyjohn2442Yes good point...as long as they are actually playing and singing I dont mind if there are backing vocal tracks or instrumental that add to the sound. Also people hate on click tracks but many times those are needed to sync with lights, pyro, cool stuff.
@@waychunky You are absolutely correct...Bands/Artists use click tracks because their light show, Pyrotechnics, instrument enhancements, visuals like video screens and yes for some bands...vocals...are cued by the click...Ya, I don't get the whole click track thing either...Bands that I've been in that used click tracks...used them as a way for the band to maintain composure live so we wouldn't rush or drag the songs too fast or too slow and lose the groove of the song...I just think a lot of people who have an opinion about clicks don't really understand how and why bands use them...For example if it weren't for a click...Pink Floyd wouldn't have the elaborated light show they have...The click enables them to have a consistent light show...night in nigh out.
Pantera's CFH intro was not a backing track. It was just that, an intro. Pantera never played to a click to facilitate pre recorded extra guitar and vocal parts to "fatten up" their sound and compensate for week vocals and such. "Artists" do that today because a certain standard has been set for concert audio. The Pantera example is a bad one and bands have most certainly not been doing for 30 years what they get away with today.
KISS are my favourite band and honestly they just need to put it out of its misery. Quit adding tour dates and just finish this damn tour off and call it a day
The road never ends!
Very true. But also, KISS is more than the quality of the music. They have since 1976 been about routine, like a theatrical play. They are not just a band.
What is the time on video that gave it away
I have one for you, the live at the Toyota Grand Finale show. Watch when they do Rock and Roll All Nite, a little over 8 minutes in, and when Gene says "you drive us wild, we'll drive you crazy" his mouth is the thing that's crazy, it's doing something I can't even describe but it sure doesn't match the audio track.
A Kiss hate channel? Ha ha- okay.
Kiss deserves some flak as they should've retired 20 years ago but from 1975 to 1978 and from 1996 to 1997 they were absolutely the hottest band in the world!
KISS ARMY FOR LIFE!!!!! 🤟🔥🔥🔥
This is a comedy channel. Thanks for the comment.
So out of 50 years they were only good for 4 years?
@@giraffesareselfish9563. These KISStards can’t help themselves!
They should have retired this reunion madness and gone back to what they did in 94.
@ They would be playing fairs and casinos in Biloxi
Probably no lip syncing go on here. Remember - the click track is for computerised lighting as well. The only harm done in a situation like this is that the preprogrammed lights (or pyro) would be out of sync with the players. I don't think Cold Gin has any noticeable backing tracks, afterall it's predominantly sung by Tommy, Gene and Eric.
Yea I didn't see it or hear it. Maybe timing was off. But this fonz guy just hates kiss and always calls people kisstards what a loser
@@eddieg430 truth hurts!
@@thefonzkiss I could care less. Haven't been a kiss fan for years and years.
@@eddieg430 hahah😂 LIAR!!
@@pacoloco4030 Paco Taco kiss stopped being ok in the 80s. But I do enjoy giving dumb ass Fonz a hard time because he is a diehard kiss fan that does nothing but complain about his favorite band
Honestly, every modern artist uses backing tracks now adays. It really doesn’t bother me. As long as they put on a good show.
KISS haven’t put on a good show since about 2005.
whats the song at the beginin called
Odyssey
@@thefonzkiss like that cool guitar part? odysseys all like brass n stuff
@@caymanm7241 oh sorry. It’s Boomerang.
@@thefonzkiss that sounds a little closer i think hmmmm nbot sure, i need to find it. i like that guitar so much oh mydo
Awful. No energy- they're just standing around. The last time I saw them was in 2010 and that's the last time I'll ever waste my money again.
Yeah
🎶What a drag it is getting old 🎶
Happens to the best of them
Wow this is a stark reminder of how far we are away from the golden era of Lovegun & Destroyer isn't it 🙄