Since the railroad has provided a beautiful high speed right of way, it seems a shame to coast below track speed just to arrive at the exact second. Would not the passengers and train crew appreciate arriving early? Is there a prohibition against it? This would give you a longer break and the passengers could get home a few minutes sooner.
No. A train that arrives more than 30 seconds too early goes into the books as 'not on time'. Arriving early causes a risk of encountering a red signal. Furthermore we are saving lots of energy while coasting and arriving on time.
@@CabviewHolland Thank you for your explanation. Makes sense when you consider the large number of arrivals at major terminals like Utrecht. A train arriving early would mess up the platform assignments and would likely have to wait outside the terminal anyway, possibly blocking the arriving on-time trains. So many variables to consider. Your videos are very well done and informative. Keep them coming.
@@CabviewHolland it sounds unfair and silly to consider it not on time. i mean 10+minutes too early i can understand that it might cause problems with the arrival arrangements at a big station but like 2-3 minutes? it would be even more ridiculous if you actually get penalized for it.
@@CFRTrainSpotter There is more to it. An example from last week: train from Enschede arrived 2 minutes early in Amersfoort. Passengers that had to transfer to a train to Amsterdam saw the intercity to Amsterdam at the other side of the platform closing its doors and leaving on time while they were just arriving. One of the passengers came to me complaining about it. I had to explain that that train was not the official transfer, and that it only seemed so because their train arrived too early. In this case I had the opportunity to explain, but in most cases people experience this as a railway company failure..
Thank you for increasing font size , much easier to read . I thoroughly enjoy your vlogs , your camera work is so clear . My Father was a locomotive driver in UK having driven steam , diesel and electric traction. He started as a cleaner in 1935 and retired in 1981 a long time . I worked as a clerk in the office at the same depot as my father 1A Willeseden MPD starting in 1961 , at that time the depot had both steam and diesel locomotives . I loved steam locomotives and was lucky enough to have had a ride on the footplate of 45530 " Sir Frank Ree " A rebuilt Patriot locomotive. Those were great days. Thank you so much for your great vlogs . I now live in Australia.
Here in Norway all trains have "eco meters" installed 10-15 years ago, so the drivers can see how much energy they have used. And there are internal championships with bonus payments at the train companies for the drivers driving the most economical and still keeping on schedule. That way they are encouraged to coast and use regenerative braking as much as possible to use the least amount of energy.
@@CabviewHollandProRail is using the same tech from Norwegian Rail Admin (BaneNor) too. It is called Erex / Eress. It is the system used to bill the train companies for the power they use. But in Norway they took it a step further letting the drivers know how they are doing. And they started saving a lot of energy, and the drivers love it.
Very nice! This video really shows the best of rail transport and how efficient it is. The fact that you were able to coast 18 km from a top speed of ~140 km/h just shows how little rolling resistance there is in the wheels, compared to road traffic on rubber tyres; you can never coast that far in an automobile even if you start coasting from the same speed. Combined with the lack of plastic particulate pollution in rail wheels, along with electric traction, high capacity, and high speeds, is why I advocate this kind of frequent intercity rail service over any kind of highway travel. I live in Canada and we definitely don't have trains like this, and it's partially why I went on vacation to the Netherlands last year visiting a couple cities in the Randstad within a week, studying the rail and cycling infrastructure and showing my learnings to better advocate for better infrastructure in where I live.
I wish it would also be cheap. If I want to go from Groningen to Utrecht it costs 30 euros which is certainly not okay especially if you go with someone.
I forgot to say how much I enjoy your presentations of Dutch lines from the cab. I like the uncluttered approach with useful information on the screen. Your videos were almost as good as a holiday during Covid times! I first travelled on the NS in 1958 and have made a number of visits over the years. My last trip included travelling with a model railway layout from Exeter to the Rail exhibition at Houton near Utrecht, via Eurostar. Many thanks for informative enjoyment. Maurice
For what it's worth, I approve of the increase in font size... keep up the good work! Interesting use of momentum, but how do you know you are not delaying following trains?
You forgot to mention that trains in The Netherlands apply candle wax ahead of the first axle to make them coast like that. It's an old trick carpenters use on drawers. 🤤
A couple of questions: I noticed that early in the video, there was one section where the speed limit posted was "16" (160 km/h) . Are any trains allowed to go that speed? I thought the legacy signal system topped out at 140 and only lines with ETCS allowed faster speeds. Also, I noticed that the passing track (track 3) at Helmond appears to have been taken out. (I had noticed it in videos from past years.) Was this fairly recently? I assume it was a cost-saving measure, but would have thought that it would have provided some operational flexibility, particularly at times when long-distance trains are being detoured over this line. As always, thanks for your videos. I always enjoy them and learn things from them.
I noticed that too. But I assume it is just a case of reducing the number of unnecessary switches. Switches need maintenance and can cause delays if they fail.
The line between Venlo and Eindhoven was used for testing 160km/h service. The line and the trains running on it do work at that speed, but the ATB EG limits everything to 140. There are versions of ATB that do allow service at 160, but at this point we might as well put ETCS there.
VRAAG. 2 vragen eigenlijk. 1/coasten vertraagt /verlengt de rijtijd. heeft achterop komend verkeer daar geen hinder van? als ik coast met de Truck, heb je soms van die gejaagde witte busjes, of verlaagde mislukte race wagens, die met geweld en dus gevaar, mij inhalen terwijl ik dus aan het coasten ben. 2/tijdstip, 1:12:50 . er zijn extra bovenleidingen ,die beginnen en eindigen aan de draagmasten. waarvoor zijn die? Aarding kan ik me niet voorstellen, voorspanning op de bovenleiding? dat word toch gedaan via die katrollen, en gewichten? ergo, ik snap dat ff niet, waarvoor dienen die extra kabels??? een Truck kan vanaf 84 kmh coasten tot ongeveer 700 meter give or take. veel hangt af van aantal assen en truck + lading. maar 300 mtr coasten zoals naderen rotonde's ed, is makkelijk te doen. ☺
Het is duidelijk dat er in jouw vak een hoop frustratie is. Zelf rijd ik meestal lekker rustig achter jou, omdat jullie zo gelijkmatig rijden. Laat het gestress maar over aan de ridders links naast mij.. Uitrollen doe ik met mijn trein om de reservetijd op te maken. Daarmee zit je nooit het treinverkeer achter je in de weg. Die extra kabel zorgt voor meer stroom: bij ons lage voltage van 1500V is namelijk een hoge stroomsterkte nodig.
I don't think so, looks like a DM'90 ('Buffel'). The DM'90s were designed to be compatible with the older Wadlopers (3100/3200 series), and may have run on 'their' lines, but it's a different thing.
Thanks! A had an electrical fault once that caused the motors to lose power. Calling the dispatcher to ask for a clear path from Weesp to Amsterdam saved the day :-)
Bravo! Ik heb het heel lang geleden wel eens gehoord, uit de tweede hand, van een machinist op een stoomloc. Stoken tot topsnelheid en dan uit laten rollen en uiteindelijk stapvoets op tijd op de bestemming komen. Dus dit is een spelletje dat jullie vaak doen? Zouden reizigers het door hebben?
I don't know how the railroads in the Netherlands get their electricity, whether they generate their own or buy it from an electric utility but if they buy it then you saved them quite a bit of money. Well done!!
@@Rimuru.Tempest Yeah right !! NL energy supply was only 15% by sustainable sources in 2022 (and that includes 6% 'clean' biomass). Wind energy was only 4%
Very informative! Thank you,.... and fun to see the Dutch landscape from my home in Seattle, VS. Here there are freight rains that can be more than a kilometer long pulling 100 cars with four diesel locomotives. I wonder for how long these can coast before coming to a stop on relatively flat land like in Montana.
Ik bedoelde dus het oosten van Montana, honderden kilometers flatland, want het westen is vol met bergen. Ik zal even googelen of ik op mijn vraag een antwoord kan vinden. @@CabviewHolland
Zo'n lange vrachttrein met een lengte van 1 tot 1.25 mile (~2 km) en 90 tot 120 rail cars komt tot stilstand met volle remkracht na meer dan een mile. Coasten... heb ik nog niet gevonden..
14:18 That is one lucky bird that probably got the scare of a lifetime. (It looks like a possible hit but I'm pretty sure there is still some distance to be bridged due to the angle and height at which the camera is mounted.)
Mooie, leuke en boeiende video! Maar op deze manier rijden met zo’n 35 km zonder tractie betekent eigenlijk dat het in schril contrast staat met de iedere keer weer hogere wordende prijzen voor een treinreis. Maar daar is vast een andere verklaring voor. Mooi dat je ons meenam op deze manier.👍🏻👍🏻thx!
I'm sure the NS knows the Profits Per Minute and Costs Per Minute. Considering the curve involved with energy costs as speed increases, I wonder how much you saved by coasting twice... Very exciting!
A good driver knows how to manage his/her train . Also, a good route knowledge ,such as gradients and curvatures , experience, and weather conditions play a good part in extending or decreasing a coasting distance situation .
De zeer-gewaardeerde collega HLS Stefan heeft ook zoiets gedaan. Vanaf station Utr C naar Adam C. Bij Beukelen de stroomknop op 0, en laten rollen, de VIRM. Bij de laatste 3 á 4 km even een paar wattjes erbij, anders kwam hij het laatste bruggetje niet over. Maar wel leuk om uit te proberen!!
Dat is valsspelen ;-) Ik benadruk nog maar even de knipoog, het is een grapje. Stefan is idd een zeer gewaardeerde collega. Maar mijn streven is altijd rollen zonder correctie.
Op zich heel mooi, dat je zo ver kunt uitrollen zonder tractie. Maar als reiziger word ik heel onrustig van een steeds langzamer rijdende trein zonder merkbare tractie. Je weet maar nooit of er iets mis is. Power geeft vertrouwen. Vooral na het wisselen van de bovenleidingspanning 🙂
Het moet natuurlijk wel een beetje spannend blijven :-) Zelf doe ik in principe altijd een omroepbericht bij langzaam rijden zodra duidelijk wordt dat we te laat aan zullen komen, als dat meer is dan zo’n twee minuten. Dus hoor je niks, dan komt alles goed.
@@CabviewHollandDas niet helemaal fair, in je vorige video spreidde je de informatie in verschillende berichten om psychologisch wat winst te behalen, passagiers minder gefrustreerd e.d. nu kan ik dat wel begrijpen (als passagier hoor ik graag eerder dan later wat er aan de hand is en hoe lang het gaat duren) maar het enigszins in tegenstelling ;)
@@rgfrank1668 Dat was een situatie waar we langdurig en voor onbepaalde tijd stilstaan. Als machinist voel je dan de frustratie van de reizigers - ik in ieder geval wel. Ik heb dan behoefte om af en toe van me te laten horen. Zit je bij mij in de trein, en we rijden langzaam, dan kun je gerust zijn dat we op tijd aankomen zolang je niets hoort. :-)
@@CabviewHolland u hoeft zich niet te verantwoorden richting mij, hoewel ik dat op prijs stel. Volgens mij begrijpt u wel waarom ik het één semi-hypocriet vind en het ander niet. Ik hoor liever gewoon alles, ik begrijp de redevoering waarom dat doorgaans niet gedaan word. Als reiziger ben ik attent op het optrekken, remmen en rollen van de trein dus ik vraag mij doorgaans af wat er gebeurt als er iets gaande is wat niet in mijn plaatje past.
awesome video as always! I suppose the different numbers of passengers on the train don't make much of an impact on your measurements as you still have around 40km/h when entering the station, so I'm guessing maybe plus or minus 5 km/h difference at the end of the coasting period
Vergroten van het letterfont is helemaal prima wmb. Toch nieuwsgierig is het ervaring of zijn er tabellen/grafieken voor wanneer je het 'gas' eraf kan halen? Ik weet dat treinen in NL hun opgewekte stroom dmv remmen ook weer terug kunnen geven aan het net, nu zal uitrollen zeer zeker efficiënter zijn maar met wat voor factor, wat is het verschil naast een aangenamere reis (minder optrekken of in de ankers)? Dank voor video met plezier naar gekeken.
Wow! That is really interesting! Never would have expected such a long coasting distance. Is there an inclination in your favor ... a degree or two down? Or pretty level? That is a very impressive distance and your "tutorial" actually filled in some other blanks in my limited knowledge of how trains "work". Was wondering if some small power glitches might be really noticeable, but I'm guessing not! Also, I think I remember seeing some bridges with no overhead lines ... wondered how that might affect movement, but guess not much! Thanks again for sharing your great videos ... always enjoyable! New font size is nice, too. [Greetings from Tucson.]
2:18 Blèr-ick?😯 Of blèr ik niet? That is the question. 13:35. Een van mijn eerste rijlessen op de weg links, 's avonds in het donker, bijna 35 jaar geleden. De trein reed in dezelfde richting als deze en wij kwamen hem tegemoet. Daar geleerd: "je moet je groot licht uitdoen, want je mag tegenliggers niet verblinden. Ook niet als het een trein is."
In 1993 reed ik vaak met de direkte IC van Den Haag CS naar Helmond Brouwhuis. Het personeel kwam meestal uit Den Haag. Dus in plat Haags: "Helmond Brawhus"!
Klopt. Dat stamt uit de tijd van dubbel geel: een sein met 4 lampen, waarvan twee geel. Om het seinbeeld dubbel geel duidelijk zichtbaar te maken zat de ene gele lamp boven, de ander helemaal beneden. Bij het vervallen van dit seinbeeld, met de komst van de cijferbakken, is de volgorde van de bovenste drie lampen gebleven: geel bovenaan dus.
That's impressive. I know it's not very possible near Den Helder. The stations are pretty close to each other. Indrukwekkend. Rond Den Helder is het helaas niet echt mogelijk om de trein te laten uitrollen. De stations liggen redelijk dicht in elkaars buurt. Ik weet dit omdat, ik in (de buurt van) Den Helder woon.
I love your video's in being a Dutchie living in Australia. One thing that I note is that passenger stations are very long. Much longer than station platforms here in Australia. Is there a reason for this? Or am I imagining things? Most suburban sets in Sydney Australia are 8 cars. And that or less for country services, long platforms are not needed.
Getting paid to coast.... can't call that work 😂😂 The slightly bigger font is easier on the mince pies (eyes) too !!! But of course, size is relative to the screen you are using too !! Enjoyed the return trip, thank you Sir 👍😎
As long ago as the 1920s the Southern Railway (of the U.K.) introduced coasting boards of its 650v DC third rail network. This realised one of the most important energy consumption characteristics of electric trains - they only use power when it is needed. Both steam and diesel use energy when on ‘standby’ and maintain energy supply when it is not needed when underway. They may coast, but energy is still being used/generated as there is no on/off switch! With nearly 25 percent of the journey completed while coasting on a basically flat route the potential for such energy economy is a real benefit for train operators and the environment! Electric all the way……
Sorry, I didn't finish my question: When you are in coasting mode, do you lower the pantograph(s)? Or are you not allowed to. in case of an emergency, where you have to power up quickly. Very enjoyable trip, as usual. Thank you, Vincent.
Unlikely - the wood pigeon is most likely being pushed sideways by the airflow around a reasonably well-designed aerodynamic train front. Just like 1960s cars were splattered with dead bugs on the front grille and windscreen, but sleek modern cars have only the occasional bug splatter (though there's also the consideration that insect numbers have steeply declined over the decades).
@@thenarstar Re-watching: Yup, I hear a thud/clack/sound as well, but it seems to be about a second later. I ignored it originally as an electric switch click sound from the train itself. Check e.g. 23:44 or 23:52. In any case, hope that the bird flew away from it with nothing more suffering than a moment of severe air turbulence....
After a couple of weeks with rain and temperatures barely above 20 celcius/68 Fahrenheit, the weather is getting dry and warm again next week, like 30 Celcius/86 Fahrenheit. Because our climate is quite humid, this is warm enough!
Super timing on your coasting sections. But does it actually save energy (electricity) or would it be better to run at the average speed the whole way? Just curious.
Intelligent question :-) Due to exponentially increasing air resistance I think it is more efficient to drive at a slower speed. But in that case recovery time would also be decreasing right from the start. Recovery time might be needed when a delay arises along the ride. I vary between lower average speed and maximum speed from ride to ride, just a matter of how I feel that day :-)
Stel dat de bovenleidingspanning wegvalt, is het dan toegestaan om zo lang mogelijk door te rollen tot het eerstvolgende station? Of is het waarschijnlijk dat dan de seinen ook niet meer goed werken, en moet je anticiperen dat het volgende sein buiten dienst is?
Does your train have regenerative braking to return power to the overhead? I'm guessing not really worthwhile since there are no steep grades involved. Saw the same freight train three times. I remember your coasting into Utrecht in another video a couple of months ago. After a while, it became quite apparent.
Eén ding vraag ik me dan toch wel af.. Hoe kan het dat treinen, in dit gevan de Virm, zo goed kunnen uitrollen? Geven de motoren geen weerstand? (op de motor afremmen)
You said you increased font size for those who requested it. I didn't request it. But, I got it. May I keep it? Coasting was fun. Kinda reminded me of my high school years... I just coasted through them. Intuitively, I knew that coasting was better. I have some nice pictures of my trip to the park yesterday that I thought nobody would want to see... so, I didn't post them. Well, Señor Cabview, I enjoyed our little chat here. Hope your week goes well. Don't work too hard... maybe just coast through it. We ain't gettin' any younger, you know. Gracias por tu video. RT sends, Puebla, México...
Thanks. No. People wait kindly for the barriers. They lose patience after 5 minutes though without a train passing. Then we officially slow down to 10km/h and use the horn.
I accidentally hit pause on the video. I certainly hope that did not affect the coasting ability of the train and your game. I apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused.
Iemand vroeg wat energiezuiniger is, dit of gewoon constant rijden. Zonder er aan te rekenen durf ik dat niet te zeggen. Je hebt hier een aantal minuten meer energie nodig voor de topsnelheid, maar een flink aantal minuten nul energie. In het gewone geval heb je flink wat minuten energie nodig.
Met of zonder uitrollen is een rood sein altijd een probleem.. Met uitrollen (dus niet vol gas en te vroeg aankomen) is de kans dat je een rood sein tegenkomt kleiner.
When you say you 'switched off' did you mean cut power to the motors or literally switched off thus not drawing power through the pantograph. I note that you have worked out the natural decelaration characteristics of the VIRM so have deduced where to begin 'coasting'. The approach to each station was different in that the starting speed was higher into 's-Hertogenbosch (140kph) and at 7 mins out you still had 10.8 km to go still running at 110kph while into Utrecht it was 130kph and at 7 mins out there were 7.9 to go and running at 105kph, so this was just a little more difficult to forecast. However, as we know you from the years of watching, we know you would never make a claim like that without knowing the outcome beforehand. If you did get it wrong, the title of the video would be different - or not posted! Anyway, it was a nice day and I enjoyed the run.
Als iemand die de meeste videos vnaf de bank op de tv bekijkt.... heel blij met het grotere lettertype En ik altijd maar denken dat "He we gaan steeds langzamer" slechts een hersenspinsel van me was......
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Since the railroad has provided a beautiful high speed right of way, it seems a shame to coast below track speed just to arrive at the exact second. Would not the passengers and train crew appreciate arriving early? Is there a prohibition against it? This would give you a longer break and the passengers could get home a few minutes sooner.
No. A train that arrives more than 30 seconds too early goes into the books as 'not on time'. Arriving early causes a risk of encountering a red signal. Furthermore we are saving lots of energy while coasting and arriving on time.
@@CabviewHolland
Thank you for your explanation. Makes sense when you consider the large number of arrivals at major terminals like Utrecht. A train arriving early would mess up the platform assignments and would likely have to wait outside the terminal anyway, possibly blocking the arriving on-time trains. So many variables to consider. Your videos are very well done and informative. Keep them coming.
@@jeffasay147 Thanks :-)
@@CabviewHolland it sounds unfair and silly to consider it not on time. i mean 10+minutes too early i can understand that it might cause problems with the arrival arrangements at a big station but like 2-3 minutes? it would be even more ridiculous if you actually get penalized for it.
@@CFRTrainSpotter There is more to it. An example from last week: train from Enschede arrived 2 minutes early in Amersfoort. Passengers that had to transfer to a train to Amsterdam saw the intercity to Amsterdam at the other side of the platform closing its doors and leaving on time while they were just arriving. One of the passengers came to me complaining about it. I had to explain that that train was not the official transfer, and that it only seemed so because their train arrived too early. In this case I had the opportunity to explain, but in most cases people experience this as a railway company failure..
Thank you for increasing font size , much easier to read . I thoroughly enjoy your vlogs , your camera work is so clear . My Father was a locomotive driver in UK having driven steam , diesel and electric traction. He started as a cleaner in 1935 and retired in 1981 a long time . I worked as a clerk in the office at the same depot as my father 1A Willeseden MPD starting in 1961 , at that time the depot had both steam and diesel locomotives . I loved steam locomotives and was lucky enough to have had a ride on the footplate of 45530 " Sir Frank Ree " A rebuilt Patriot locomotive. Those were great days. Thank you so much for your great vlogs . I now live in Australia.
Nice to hear :-) Your father was a true train engineer. Nowadays this profession feels more like a bus driver..
Here in Norway all trains have "eco meters" installed 10-15 years ago, so the drivers can see how much energy they have used. And there are internal championships with bonus payments at the train companies for the drivers driving the most economical and still keeping on schedule. That way they are encouraged to coast and use regenerative braking as much as possible to use the least amount of energy.
I thought about that but I think it would arise much frustration as there are many external factors that could cause the driver to ‘lose’ money..
@@CabviewHollandProRail is using the same tech from Norwegian Rail Admin (BaneNor) too. It is called Erex / Eress. It is the system used to bill the train companies for the power they use. But in Norway they took it a step further letting the drivers know how they are doing. And they started saving a lot of energy, and the drivers love it.
Very nice! This video really shows the best of rail transport and how efficient it is. The fact that you were able to coast 18 km from a top speed of ~140 km/h just shows how little rolling resistance there is in the wheels, compared to road traffic on rubber tyres; you can never coast that far in an automobile even if you start coasting from the same speed. Combined with the lack of plastic particulate pollution in rail wheels, along with electric traction, high capacity, and high speeds, is why I advocate this kind of frequent intercity rail service over any kind of highway travel. I live in Canada and we definitely don't have trains like this, and it's partially why I went on vacation to the Netherlands last year visiting a couple cities in the Randstad within a week, studying the rail and cycling infrastructure and showing my learnings to better advocate for better infrastructure in where I live.
I wish it would also be cheap. If I want to go from Groningen to Utrecht it costs 30 euros which is certainly not okay especially if you go with someone.
6:28 Wow! Dutch windmills! Very cool! 🥰
I forgot to say how much I enjoy your presentations of Dutch lines from the cab. I like the uncluttered approach with useful information on the screen. Your videos were almost as good as a holiday during Covid times!
I first travelled on the NS in 1958 and have made a number of visits over the years. My last trip included travelling with a model railway layout from Exeter to the Rail exhibition at Houton near Utrecht, via Eurostar.
Many thanks for informative enjoyment.
Maurice
Thanks for your kind compliment Richard! :-)
Another excellent video. Font size is perfect. Thank you again for your hard work for us.
Precies 80 rijden bij de verlaging is wel echt smooth. 👌🏻
For what it's worth, I approve of the increase in font size... keep up the good work! Interesting use of momentum, but how do you know you are not delaying following trains?
I'll second that 🙂
Everyone follows the same use of momentum. So trains behind will also start coasting at roughly the same location.
Every train rides within a ‘path’, with a little play. You can drive a bit ahead, or behind, without delaying other trains.
You forgot to mention that trains in The Netherlands apply candle wax ahead of the first axle to make them coast like that. It's an old trick carpenters use on drawers. 🤤
I also did not mention that I asked all passengers to constantly run to the rear of the train to increase coast time :-)
@@CabviewHolland you tell a lot of nonsense mister. I saw you riding, you had several train surfers on the roof.....
Excellent video !
great view from front of train thanks for that best train viewing video's on youtube.
Thanks for the best compliment :-)
I like the new font size.
Hello from Nettetal at the Niederrhein. I live 10 km away from Venlo. It is nice to see train from the neighbor driving across through the Netherland
thumbs up👍 another relaxing & intersting journey. many thanks😀
Thanks!
Excellent video train update!
Das Video ist sehr gut geworden 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
A couple of questions: I noticed that early in the video, there was one section where the speed limit posted was "16" (160 km/h) . Are any trains allowed to go that speed? I thought the legacy signal system topped out at 140 and only lines with ETCS allowed faster speeds.
Also, I noticed that the passing track (track 3) at Helmond appears to have been taken out. (I had noticed it in videos from past years.) Was this fairly recently? I assume it was a cost-saving measure, but would have thought that it would have provided some operational flexibility, particularly at times when long-distance trains are being detoured over this line.
As always, thanks for your videos. I always enjoy them and learn things from them.
I noticed that too. But I assume it is just a case of reducing the number of unnecessary switches. Switches need maintenance and can cause delays if they fail.
The line between Venlo and Eindhoven was used for testing 160km/h service. The line and the trains running on it do work at that speed, but the ATB EG limits everything to 140. There are versions of ATB that do allow service at 160, but at this point we might as well put ETCS there.
another great video. Thank you for the larger font. i can see it better all the way from America now. :)
:-)
Excellent video, thank you.
Weer een hele mooie video meester !!
Dankjewel Theo!
Thank you for increasing font size , much easier to read
Well !!!! You learn something new everyday. Thank You for another intersting video.
VRAAG.
2 vragen eigenlijk.
1/coasten vertraagt /verlengt de rijtijd.
heeft achterop komend verkeer daar geen hinder van?
als ik coast met de Truck, heb je soms van die gejaagde witte busjes, of verlaagde mislukte race wagens, die met geweld en dus gevaar, mij inhalen terwijl ik dus aan het coasten ben.
2/tijdstip, 1:12:50 .
er zijn extra bovenleidingen ,die beginnen en eindigen aan de draagmasten.
waarvoor zijn die?
Aarding kan ik me niet voorstellen, voorspanning op de bovenleiding?
dat word toch gedaan via die katrollen, en gewichten?
ergo, ik snap dat ff niet, waarvoor dienen die extra kabels???
een Truck kan vanaf 84 kmh coasten tot ongeveer 700 meter give or take.
veel hangt af van aantal assen en truck + lading.
maar 300 mtr coasten zoals naderen rotonde's ed, is makkelijk te doen.
☺
Het is duidelijk dat er in jouw vak een hoop frustratie is. Zelf rijd ik meestal lekker rustig achter jou, omdat jullie zo gelijkmatig rijden. Laat het gestress maar over aan de ridders links naast mij..
Uitrollen doe ik met mijn trein om de reservetijd op te maken. Daarmee zit je nooit het treinverkeer achter je in de weg.
Die extra kabel zorgt voor meer stroom: bij ons lage voltage van 1500V is namelijk een hoge stroomsterkte nodig.
Thank you for the ride! It looks like it's going to be exciting!
Hallo aus Griechenland danke für die Reise .👍👍
I always enjoy the ride beautiful scenery and peaceful fun seeing everyone go about their day thank sir your friend from Orlando ❤
Thanks :-)
Thanks for he ride and thanks for the bigger font. My eyes are not what they used to be.
A great ride! I like the bigger typeface👍
Beautiful ride and lanscapes. Great video as usual.
I Loved the Ride :)
Heel leuk!
At 5:27, is that a Wadlooper I saw in the yard?
I don't think so, looks like a DM'90 ('Buffel'). The DM'90s were designed to be compatible with the older Wadlopers (3100/3200 series), and may have run on 'their' lines, but it's a different thing.
No, DM '90.
I wasn't sure, but it is interesting to see one on your travels.
@@efaber3565 No chance, I would have to drive my train to Eastern Europe to seen one 🙂
nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadloper_(spoorwegmaterieel)
Bedankt voor deze rit meester, fijn weekend!
Dankjewel!
😊Hartelijk bedankt weer Mr Vincent, 02:24 hier. ga lekker maffen,maandag boodschappen doen op de markt. en kibbeling eten,yum yum. greetz:🍐Peer.🍻
Leuke rit, dank je. Je wilt het spannend maken maar jij hebt zoveel ervaring dat het niet fout kon gaan. Maar wel een leuke aanvulling👍.
Ha, dankjewel :-)
You do a vary good job on making this Video and the view is also great.
Thanks :-)
Thanks for another great cabride. I did like the new font size.
😊jaja,Den Boch met de lekkere bollen,lol.eet smakelijk Mr,Vincent.😊
Nicely done! Are there ever power failures where coasting would come in handy?
Thanks! A had an electrical fault once that caused the motors to lose power. Calling the dispatcher to ask for a clear path from Weesp to Amsterdam saved the day :-)
Bravo! Ik heb het heel lang geleden wel eens gehoord, uit de tweede hand, van een machinist op een stoomloc. Stoken tot topsnelheid en dan uit laten rollen en uiteindelijk stapvoets op tijd op de bestemming komen. Dus dit is een spelletje dat jullie vaak doen? Zouden reizigers het door hebben?
I don't know how the railroads in the Netherlands get their electricity, whether they generate their own or buy it from an electric utility but if they buy it then you saved them quite a bit of money. Well done!!
Windmills ⚡️
@@Rimuru.Tempest Yeah right !! NL energy supply was only 15% by sustainable sources in 2022 (and that includes 6% 'clean' biomass). Wind energy was only 4%
Font size good
Nice videos
Very informative! Thank you,.... and fun to see the Dutch landscape from my home in Seattle, VS. Here there are freight rains that can be more than a kilometer long pulling 100 cars with four diesel locomotives. I wonder for how long these can coast before coming to a stop on relatively flat land like in Montana.
I think dozens of miles :-)
Ik bedoelde dus het oosten van Montana, honderden kilometers flatland, want het westen is vol met bergen. Ik zal even googelen of ik op mijn vraag een antwoord kan vinden. @@CabviewHolland
Zo'n lange vrachttrein met een lengte van 1 tot 1.25 mile (~2 km) en 90 tot 120 rail cars komt tot stilstand met volle remkracht na meer dan een mile. Coasten... heb ik nog niet gevonden..
14:18 That is one lucky bird that probably got the scare of a lifetime. (It looks like a possible hit but I'm pretty sure there is still some distance to be bridged due to the angle and height at which the camera is mounted.)
Mooie, leuke en boeiende video! Maar op deze manier rijden met zo’n 35 km zonder tractie betekent eigenlijk dat het in schril contrast staat met de iedere keer weer hogere wordende prijzen voor een treinreis. Maar daar is vast een andere verklaring voor. Mooi dat je ons meenam op deze manier.👍🏻👍🏻thx!
Door uit te rollen kun je langer genieten voor je geld ;-)
@@CabviewHolland hahaha daar is geen speld tussen te krijgen😀😀
I'm sure the NS knows the Profits Per Minute and Costs Per Minute. Considering the curve involved with energy costs as speed increases, I wonder how much you saved by coasting twice... Very exciting!
Thanks!
A good driver knows how to manage his/her train . Also, a good route knowledge ,such as gradients and curvatures , experience, and weather conditions play a good part in extending or decreasing a coasting distance situation .
blijft een indrukwekkend geheel om via het zuiden, het station van mijn thuisstad 's-Hertogenbosch binnen te rijden.
De zeer-gewaardeerde collega HLS Stefan heeft ook zoiets gedaan. Vanaf station Utr C naar Adam C. Bij Beukelen de stroomknop op 0, en laten rollen, de VIRM. Bij de laatste 3 á 4 km even een paar wattjes erbij, anders kwam hij het laatste bruggetje niet over. Maar wel leuk om uit te proberen!!
Dat is valsspelen ;-)
Ik benadruk nog maar even de knipoog, het is een grapje. Stefan is idd een zeer gewaardeerde collega. Maar mijn streven is altijd rollen zonder correctie.
leuke video
Op zich heel mooi, dat je zo ver kunt uitrollen zonder tractie. Maar als reiziger word ik heel onrustig van een steeds langzamer rijdende trein zonder merkbare tractie. Je weet maar nooit of er iets mis is. Power geeft vertrouwen. Vooral na het wisselen van de bovenleidingspanning 🙂
Het moet natuurlijk wel een beetje spannend blijven :-) Zelf doe ik in principe altijd een omroepbericht bij langzaam rijden zodra duidelijk wordt dat we te laat aan zullen komen, als dat meer is dan zo’n twee minuten. Dus hoor je niks, dan komt alles goed.
@@CabviewHollandDas niet helemaal fair, in je vorige video spreidde je de informatie in verschillende berichten om psychologisch wat winst te behalen, passagiers minder gefrustreerd e.d. nu kan ik dat wel begrijpen (als passagier hoor ik graag eerder dan later wat er aan de hand is en hoe lang het gaat duren) maar het enigszins in tegenstelling ;)
@@rgfrank1668 Dat was een situatie waar we langdurig en voor onbepaalde tijd stilstaan. Als machinist voel je dan de frustratie van de reizigers - ik in ieder geval wel. Ik heb dan behoefte om af en toe van me te laten horen. Zit je bij mij in de trein, en we rijden langzaam, dan kun je gerust zijn dat we op tijd aankomen zolang je niets hoort. :-)
@@CabviewHolland u hoeft zich niet te verantwoorden richting mij, hoewel ik dat op prijs stel.
Volgens mij begrijpt u wel waarom ik het één semi-hypocriet vind en het ander niet. Ik hoor liever gewoon alles, ik begrijp de redevoering waarom dat doorgaans niet gedaan word. Als reiziger ben ik attent op het optrekken, remmen en rollen van de trein dus ik vraag mij doorgaans af wat er gebeurt als er iets gaande is wat niet in mijn plaatje past.
awesome video as always! I suppose the different numbers of passengers on the train don't make much of an impact on your measurements as you still have around 40km/h when entering the station, so I'm guessing maybe plus or minus 5 km/h difference at the end of the coasting period
Very nice! But you got a long way to go to beat those alpine Swiss train trips through the mountains. lol
Vergroten van het letterfont is helemaal prima wmb. Toch nieuwsgierig is het ervaring of zijn er tabellen/grafieken voor wanneer je het 'gas' eraf kan halen? Ik weet dat treinen in NL hun opgewekte stroom dmv remmen ook weer terug kunnen geven aan het net, nu zal uitrollen zeer zeker efficiënter zijn maar met wat voor factor, wat is het verschil naast een aangenamere reis (minder optrekken of in de ankers)?
Dank voor video met plezier naar gekeken.
We hebben een tablet die een indicatie aangeeft wanneer je zou kunnen uitrollen. Klopt vaak maar zit er ook nogal eens behoorlijk naast.
Very nice journey. Do you, or are you allowed to. lower the pantograph(s)?
No law against that but airconditioning and compressor will stop working so this is not recommendable.
Wow! That is really interesting! Never would have expected such a long coasting distance. Is there an inclination in your favor ... a degree or two down? Or pretty level? That is a very impressive distance and your "tutorial" actually filled in some other blanks in my limited knowledge of how trains "work". Was wondering if some small power glitches might be really noticeable, but I'm guessing not! Also, I think I remember seeing some bridges with no overhead lines ... wondered how that might affect movement, but guess not much! Thanks again for sharing your great videos ... always enjoyable! New font size is nice, too. [Greetings from Tucson.]
Thanks! All pretty level.
Also, the track consists of continuous welded rails and is maintained at a high level. Many U.S. railroads are not this smooth.
😊wat stonden ze daar te doen bij dat overpad op 12:00?😊
2:18 Blèr-ick?😯 Of blèr ik niet? That is the question.
13:35. Een van mijn eerste rijlessen op de weg links, 's avonds in het donker, bijna 35 jaar geleden. De trein reed in dezelfde richting als deze en wij kwamen hem tegemoet. Daar geleerd: "je moet je groot licht uitdoen, want je mag tegenliggers niet verblinden. Ook niet als het een trein is."
Haha! Die moet ik onthouden. Wat een goeie rijinstructeur moet dat geweest zijn. Veel chauffeurs dimmen niet in zulke situaties.
In 1993 reed ik vaak met de direkte IC van Den Haag CS naar Helmond Brouwhuis. Het personeel kwam meestal uit Den Haag. Dus in plat Haags: "Helmond Brawhus"!
56:30 zit daar nou de groene lamp in het midden van het sein? En waarom wisselt dat soms?
Klopt. Dat stamt uit de tijd van dubbel geel: een sein met 4 lampen, waarvan twee geel. Om het seinbeeld dubbel geel duidelijk zichtbaar te maken zat de ene gele lamp boven, de ander helemaal beneden. Bij het vervallen van dit seinbeeld, met de komst van de cijferbakken, is de volgorde van de bovenste drie lampen gebleven: geel bovenaan dus.
That's impressive.
I know it's not very possible near Den Helder.
The stations are pretty close to each other.
Indrukwekkend. Rond Den Helder is het helaas niet echt mogelijk om de trein te laten uitrollen.
De stations liggen redelijk dicht in elkaars buurt.
Ik weet dit omdat, ik in (de buurt van) Den Helder woon.
I love your video's in being a Dutchie living in Australia. One thing that I note is that passenger stations are very long. Much longer than station platforms here in Australia. Is there a reason for this? Or am I imagining things? Most suburban sets in Sydney Australia are 8 cars. And that or less for country services, long platforms are not needed.
Our trains are longer :-)
Larger stations often are divided into two (a and b side). Our longest platform is 700 meters long: Sittard Station.
Thank you so much for your wisdom and knowledge @@CabviewHolland
30:40 hello Railcam Netherlands!
Coasting is great but you need energy to get to that speed to begin with. It's not free. But not using brakes many times is great!
Getting paid to coast.... can't call that work 😂😂
The slightly bigger font is easier on the mince pies (eyes) too !!! But of course, size is relative to the screen you are using too !!
Enjoyed the return trip, thank you Sir 👍😎
:-)
As long ago as the 1920s the Southern Railway (of the U.K.) introduced coasting boards of its 650v DC third rail network. This realised one of the most important energy consumption characteristics of electric trains - they only use power when it is needed. Both steam and diesel use energy when on ‘standby’ and maintain energy supply when it is not needed when underway. They may coast, but energy is still being used/generated as there is no on/off switch!
With nearly 25 percent of the journey completed while coasting on a basically flat route the potential for such energy economy is a real benefit for train operators and the environment!
Electric all the way……
Sorry, I didn't finish my question: When you are in coasting mode, do you lower the pantograph(s)? Or are you not allowed to. in case of an emergency, where you have to power up quickly. Very enjoyable trip, as usual. Thank you, Vincent.
Thanks Hans!
24:53
RIP bird.
:(
Unlikely - the wood pigeon is most likely being pushed sideways by the airflow around a reasonably well-designed aerodynamic train front. Just like 1960s cars were splattered with dead bugs on the front grille and windscreen, but sleek modern cars have only the occasional bug splatter (though there's also the consideration that insect numbers have steeply declined over the decades).
@@ppvd4692
Fair comment but....
I heard a thud 😢
@@thenarstar Re-watching: Yup, I hear a thud/clack/sound as well, but it seems to be about a second later. I ignored it originally as an electric switch click sound from the train itself. Check e.g. 23:44 or 23:52. In any case, hope that the bird flew away from it with nothing more suffering than a moment of severe air turbulence....
👋 👍 🙃 🥰 Howdy from Tanglefoot, Texas, USA! Our temperature is expected to top out at 107°F, 41°C, today! How are y'all?
After a couple of weeks with rain and temperatures barely above 20 celcius/68 Fahrenheit, the weather is getting dry and warm again next week, like 30 Celcius/86 Fahrenheit. Because our climate is quite humid, this is warm enough!
Bigger font is almost perfect... maybe just a wee tiny bit larger?
Super timing on your coasting sections. But does it actually save energy (electricity) or would it be better to run at the average speed the whole way? Just curious.
Intelligent question :-) Due to exponentially increasing air resistance I think it is more efficient to drive at a slower speed. But in that case recovery time would also be decreasing right from the start. Recovery time might be needed when a delay arises along the ride. I vary between lower average speed and maximum speed from ride to ride, just a matter of how I feel that day :-)
Ik woon langs het spoor bij Amersfoort Centraal, laat maar weten wanneer je daar weer eens een keer langs komt 😊
Vaak :-) Ga je zwaaien?
Het traject tussen Helmond en Venlo is helaas een traject met veel aanrijdingen met personen.
Stel dat de bovenleidingspanning wegvalt, is het dan toegestaan om zo lang mogelijk door te rollen tot het eerstvolgende station? Of is het waarschijnlijk dat dan de seinen ook niet meer goed werken, en moet je anticiperen dat het volgende sein buiten dienst is?
Dat is zelfs aan te raden. Seinstelsel en bovenleiding staan volledig los van elkaar.
Does your train have regenerative braking to return power to the overhead? I'm guessing not really worthwhile since there are no steep grades involved.
Saw the same freight train three times.
I remember your coasting into Utrecht in another video a couple of months ago. After a while, it became quite apparent.
Yes, braking is regenerative but only fed back to the overhead wire when another train in the same section uses it.
Moet je hiervoor toestemming vragen bij de treinverkeersleider?
Nee dat hoeft niet.
Eén ding vraag ik me dan toch wel af.. Hoe kan het dat treinen, in dit gevan de Virm, zo goed kunnen uitrollen? Geven de motoren geen weerstand? (op de motor afremmen)
Klopt, weinig weerstand inderdaad. Alleen bij remmen wekken ze stroom op, wat weerstand oplevert.
Levert-ie geen stroom terug bij het uitrollen? Ik dacht dat sommige installaties dat ondersteunen...
Nee dat gebeurt alleen bij remmen. Hij remt langzaam af door de luchtweerstand en wrijving tussen de rails en wielen.
You said you increased font size for those who requested it. I didn't request it. But, I got it. May I keep it? Coasting was fun. Kinda reminded me of my high school years... I just coasted through them. Intuitively, I knew that coasting was better. I have some nice pictures of my trip to the park yesterday that I thought nobody would want to see... so, I didn't post them. Well, Señor Cabview, I enjoyed our little chat here. Hope your week goes well. Don't work too hard... maybe just coast through it. We ain't gettin' any younger, you know. Gracias por tu video. RT sends, Puebla, México...
:-)
Meer doen! Maakt het spannender!
Heel fraai, maar nu terzake ... hoeveel loonsverhoging is er nodig om te zorgen dat je je voet op het gaspedaal blijft houden?
Meester, waar plaatst u uw dienstkaarten?
Nergens meer, ik ben vorig jaar gestopt met het delen van mijn dienstkaarten.
Why don’t I ever hear a train horn on your Holland trains? Don’t you use them at grade crossings? Really enjoy your work.
Thanks. No. People wait kindly for the barriers. They lose patience after 5 minutes though without a train passing. Then we officially slow down to 10km/h and use the horn.
I accidentally hit pause on the video. I certainly hope that did not affect the coasting ability of the train and your game. I apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused.
:-)
Iemand vroeg wat energiezuiniger is, dit of gewoon constant rijden. Zonder er aan te rekenen durf ik dat niet te zeggen. Je hebt hier een aantal minuten meer energie nodig voor de topsnelheid, maar een flink aantal minuten nul energie. In het gewone geval heb je flink wat minuten energie nodig.
Het grote verschil zit volgens mij in de exponentieel hogere luchtweerstand bij hogere snelheden, maar ook in het versnellen van massa.
I don't understand. Why is train rolling so long? I mean air resistance should slow train more?
Surface area relative to total mass, and roll resistance steel on steel makes it able to coast for miles.
Rail Cam Netherlands!🤣
😅wat houd dat coasting in???😊
Uitrollen, dus geen tractie geven.
Nick Name connecting line Nijmegen: Holy Line.
Heb je bij dat uitrollen dan geen probleem als jevoor een onveilig sein stil komt te staan?
Met of zonder uitrollen is een rood sein altijd een probleem.. Met uitrollen (dus niet vol gas en te vroeg aankomen) is de kans dat je een rood sein tegenkomt kleiner.
...this is possible in the Netherlands, but not in Switzerland or Austria...
"Dit in verband met een trein die...?" twee keer teruggeluisterd op max volume, en ik versta het nog niet.
“Een trein die voor ons [langs] moest” denk ik.
👍🇳🇱
Helaas zijn de treinkaartjes vooralsnog verre van gratis
When you say you 'switched off' did you mean cut power to the motors or literally switched off thus not drawing power through the pantograph. I note that you have worked out the natural decelaration characteristics of the VIRM so have deduced where to begin 'coasting'. The approach to each station was different in that the starting speed was higher into 's-Hertogenbosch (140kph) and at 7 mins out you still had 10.8 km to go still running at 110kph while into Utrecht it was 130kph and at 7 mins out there were 7.9 to go and running at 105kph, so this was just a little more difficult to forecast. However, as we know you from the years of watching, we know you would never make a claim like that without knowing the outcome beforehand. If you did get it wrong, the title of the video would be different - or not posted! Anyway, it was a nice day and I enjoyed the run.
Thanks :-) I only switch of tractive power by setting the speed lever to zero.
Wat bedoel je met gratis trein rijden?
Hij laat de trein uit rollen, waar door de trein geen stroom gebruikt voor tractie op de laatste paar kilometer richting het station.
😅er is nog veel spoor met betonnen ligers met een stalen pijp er tussen,tijd voor vervanging toch?oud spul.😊
That won't work in Norway! The only other country in Europe where you can coast for 20kms is Denmark.
Als iemand die de meeste videos vnaf de bank op de tv bekijkt.... heel blij met het grotere lettertype
En ik altijd maar denken dat "He we gaan steeds langzamer" slechts een hersenspinsel van me was......
Goed zo :-)
😊tsja,in Eindhoven hebben ze geen overheerlijk Bosche Bollen,en die zijn heeeerlijk.weet er alles van.🧁