Loving how so many Drachinifel fans ask him now questions that Ryan has inspired on this channel. The cross-pollination between two of my favorite naval history RUclipsrs and their friendship is awesome.
I enjoy Ryan’s videos but you have to remember he has never served on a ship or a single day in the navy. Therefore all his knowledge is based upon his interpretation of another man’s opinion. So long as you realise this you won’t go far wrong.
@@project182r3 But who has served that is a modern naval historian? Drachinifel and Dr. Alex Clarke have not. I do not believe Nick Jelicho or Andrew Lambert has either.
Ryan's beard has been looking particularly magnificent of late. He should develop a beard oil that smells like teakwood, cordite, fuel oil, and salt spray. Eau de Battleship No. 62
Finally! I’ve been searching for a tutorial on this, it’s amazing that no one has a video on how to winterize your warship! Everyone has how to winterize your plants or your greenhouse or your pipes or your vegetable garden but no one says anything on your destroyer or your cruiser let alone your Iowa Class battleship!
Clearly one should bring the vehicle inside before any inclement weather. ...I wonder if any museum vessel is in a covered wet dock ? That could solve so many problems about rainwater leaks too, if its under an enormous roof like those airship hangers but still floating in water for the structural support. Is this insane or just too expensive compared to maintenance costs ?
Well I mean these are all very niche vehicles. And for that matter, nobody has built a new battleship in years. Otherwise it's the same as Winterizing any other kind of steam ship; such as your LNG tanker. Although I would add; if you're not going to take her out over the winter time, then your best bet is to bring her into dry land, set her up on cinder blocks.
My uncle in the RN had the lousy job of using an axe to clear the ice on his corvette, while they were escorting conveys to Russia during World War II. They were always worried about capsizing.
My father spent a winter, about 1944-45, working on one of the ferries crossing Lake Michigan. His job: using a crowbar and a push broom, etc. to remove ice from the super structure and push it off the ship. Not fun, apparently.
@@HMSVanguard46 And it only takes a very little amount of ice to do it too, especially for those ships that were packed to the brim with tanks, trucks and all that, all the way to the deck.
I think I’m weird because i love these videos of ‘how to manage your battleship museum’ the most. I am fascinated by the idea of curators pouring anti-freeze into toilet bowls just in case. And remember folks, we won’t know how long battleship winter will last until ‘Punxsutawney Ryan’ assesses the Quarterdeck for shadows.
My grandfather worked as a captain for Moran in NYC and on sea going tugs. My first real experience on the water was being on the bridge of a tug as she pushed a cruise ship. Brought back an old memory.
There probably ain't a lot of sawmills around yall's country, but sawdust is about the best stuff I've found. It won't melt anything, but it provides great traction and isn't abrasive to paint. It's hippe approved too since it rots.
Hippie approved?!?!?!?! How many trees do you have to murder to get your “sawdust”????? How about you just leave the trees alone!!!! Ha! Tree killer! 🤔😉😎
I think the best way to avoid problems due to snow and ice and winter in general is to stay near the equator. In my naval career I never went north of San Diego.
Problems get swapped though. If you aren't dealing with ice and cold weather, you're dealing with sweltering temps and brutal UV light. Here in AZ, the sunlight is extremely brutal and the UV ruins signs, paint jobs, and even physically degrades materials completely. There's a tarp out in my backyard that's 6 months old, and it is RUINED. I mean, it's shredded. It fell apart after being blasted by the summer UV every day by the mid day and afternoon sun.
@@mannys9130 Ships have to be painted all the time, anyway, so that's not a real problem. And naval ships don't often use sails these days, so tarps falling apart don't matter, either.
This reminds me of Nelson’s very famous letter to the French: “Dear Mr Enemy Admiral, we don’t like you but we hate cold weather more. I mean if you’re going to be in action it’s better to have a tan right? So let’s do all our fighty fighting near the equator. Lots of love Admiral H Nelson”.
Very timely cold weather topic on some of the wintertime challenges you face with the battleship. I believe one of the gangways at the Buffalo and Erie County Naval and Military Park did fall onto the ice this past storm, they have had some major challenges in last year and could really use our support. Thank you, Ryan, Libbey, the staff and volunteers for all the hard work and dedication preserving Battleship New Jersey!
You are correct. The gangway from The Sullivans to Little Rock (the lower one of the two) fell into the space between the ships when The Sullivans shifted.
I toured the New Jersey in the early 2010's in the later winter months and it was certainly cold on the deck. I'd like to revisit eventually, but I live a couple of thousand miles away. 😭
I just toured New Jersey in October. Really enjoyed it. I was a boiler Tech in Vietnam and wanted to see the engine room and boilers. The guide was so nice he let me do the engine room tour myself and explain the working conditions to the tour group and what I put up with for 3.5 years.
10:14 I bet that tug boat operators are similar to almost any other heavy equipment operator in that they will take any excuse to do donuts in their equipment lol
As you sometimes point out, the NJ is in mostly fresh water, whereas most battleships are in salt water! Can be good news, can be gad news. That was an insight I was interested to learn on this channel recently.
Salt?? Why not use sodium formate, like they use at airports with aircraft? It will not cause corrosion and WILL melt the ice. There are also places that have been experimenting with beet juice (Ontario Canada) on the roads before a snow fall as a preventative to start the melting process. Otherwise, keep up the good work. Even some of us Canucks enjoy Naval history too.
I use a mix of water, rubbing alcohol, and natural detergent made from nettle. The alcohol is 1/4 of the mix, the soap's just enough to get a little bit of bubbling in the water. Using a sprayer, 10 liters of this mix are enough for 20 meters of driveway, 4 meters wide. It... basically "washes" away the snow. If the mix's right, you can see the ice bubble.
You guys should look into a combined heat and power system. It could lower you electricity bills while providing heat as well as providing back up power if the grid goes down.
Memories of February 2019, literally the first job I had to do when I started on Maid of the Loch was turn the water back on because of course it had been turned off to stop the pipes freezing over winter. Also spreading salt on the deck and the pier. A steel deck can get very slippy when it's icy!
Being cold doesn't cause pneumonia. Bacteria and viruses cause pneumonia. Being cooped up together in poorly ventilated spaces in the winter leads to higher attack rates of upper and lower respiratory tract infection.
@@stealth9639 I mean, that's what the rest of New York and New Jersey do. Might as well have the ship follow the migration patterns of her home state residents. :)
So once apon a time, before I used to be called a petty officer when we went into drydock at IMF Bangor, and that was a miserable experience in the winter. The engine room was always cold as hell, and didn't really have any active heating. Up forward it wasn't too cold, except in places like control or machinery 2 where the LETs were. On the duty days when I angered the section leader and had to stand topside rover especially if on the evening watch I would grab a hot cocoa from the galley and dip down to machinery one to go cuddle one of the motor generators and sip my cocoa to drive the cold out. After I started standing POOD it was better, the POOD gets to hang out in the topside shack (basically a phone booth they crane aboard) and the theres a heater in there. As to the Pea coat being water proof, I would say it's more very slightly water resistant...but if it was really cold, I was fond of wearing my peacoat under my "rain" coat, which was also poorly water resistant. Was it in regs, no not exactly, but prove it lol its not like anyone was checking. Get your coats on in the bunk room, go to MCC get your helmet/vest, go topside and wait for the duty chief for weapons turn over. Also somewhere between MCC and topside get a thermos full of hot beverage from the galley, before you had to "go stand on the roof" for the next 6 hours. Join the Navy they said, they have submarines they said, it'll be fun they said....well it was a little just not the drydock refit parts, or the regular refit parts, or the some dumb @$$ flushed something they shouldn't and now the shit pump is clogged parts, or the occasionally even worse the tank suction is now clogged, so you to go in there and unclog it.....inside. the. CHT. Tank. With an EAB on. Yeah .... But it had some good bits too and I learned a lot. But still would have preferred a fast attack, at least they get to make these things called port calls, to places not Hawaii, because something broke.
Yes those would seem nice but if a automatic standby generator for a house that is 120/240 single phase costs between 10,000 and $20,000 then I would think one for a large ship that uses 480/277 three-phase could easily be in $100,000 range or more
Also, I would think if they’re predicting a storm that has the potential to cause power outages for weeks then that would be a time to shut the water off and blow all the lines out and fill them with antifreeze And then do the same with the steam heating system and just run electric heaters
Does the extreme cold have any documented effect on the strength of the armor? Im sure it would make it more brittle. (For instance the battle of north cape in the arctic)
That was definitely a problem in the early days of iron warships, in fact it resulted in most navies cancelling their first run of iron armored ships until the issue had been solved. I don't think it has much of a quantitative effect anymore given the work that was done improving the properties of the metal used in ships
SO- For what you have on the pier, what pressure temperature does it create? Your using the ships Original radiator's - right? The modern ships have some designs with Bridge Windows to keep the dry / free. I know of 1 weapon system with electric heat to prevent ice build up (anti-ice) not capable of de-ice, unknown suspect several other systems have such.
Why don’t you do bed and breakfast? That would help support the ship and you have an entire kitchen right there you can make some really good grub for the visitors😊
I've heard for the streets they where experimenting with pickle water. Seems to work better than salt and less issues with the environment. But I'm not sure how you guests and the ship would like that flavor
9:05 Funny you showed The Eastwind (WABG-279). My dad served aboard the Westwind (WAGB-281), was sad when they scrapped them all and didn't save just one of the class. I have one of the ensigns from the Westwind that he received way back in the 60's. He would have been either a LTJG or LT at the time. I would have to go back and check all the paperwork.
No absolute guarantee (except the von Moltke one, "No plan survives contact with the enemy...") - but four important factors would come into play: First, the Tirpitz mounted 8 x 15"/51.66 guns, while the Iowas mounted 9 x 16"/50 guns (which meant that the Iowas could fire more rounds than the Tirpitz, and could outrange the Tirpitz, and cause more damage with her hits than the Bismarck could cause with her hits. Second, Tirpitz didn't have radar directed fire control, but the Iowas did - so the Iowas could start firing from longer distances than the Tirpitz could, and would welcome a night engagement (where the Tirpitz, needing to be in range for its optical rangefinders, would have a bit of difficulty at night). Third, the Iowas were 2 1/2 knots faster than the Tirpitz, so, with their radar advantages, the Iowas could dictate how and when any engagement would be fought under. Fourth, and most important in a real-life scenario, like the Royal Navy, Admiral King and the United States Navy didn't like giving their enemies a fair fight unless they had no alternative - and with U-boats and the long range Luftwaffe bomber corps a potential factor, there could have been a task group with the USS New Jersey consisting of at least six destroyers and a couple of cruisers, and maybe a light aircraft carrier like the USS Independence. Given the convoy tactical situation involving convoys to the USSR and the UK, the Royal Navy would also have a task group available if needed from Scapa Flow. Just the first three factors, the New Jersey would have a very significant advantage over the Tirpitz 1 v 1 - very likely the New Jersey would win decisively, but when 15" armor piercing shells are flying about toward you, there's a chance that a lucky hit or two could damage New Jersey enough to make the battle much closer to even, or worse, if the wrong damage occurred at the right time, the Tirpitz could have an advantage. However, in reality, German quality control in building the Tirpitz would be compared and contrasted to the Bismarck, as the USN and RN task group(s) would replicate the destruction of Bismarck (and with lessons learnt from the Bismarck, perhaps a little bit more easily, unless the Mark XV torpedoes for US destroyers hadn't been fixed yet by BuOrd, in which case, Admiral Christie would be assigned to commanding a cruiser escorting Arctic convoys to Murmansk for the rest of the war).
What’s the parasitic loss from using boiler steam to heat the ship, when underway? Asked differently: do the Iowa’s have a reduced top speed when they’re running the heater (because some of the boiler output into going into the drive at full pressure & temperature)?
Too bad the USN wouldn't allow a boiler to be used on ship...800 degrees steam would cook a beef roast in 2 minutes... ...by contrast, using a Russell Wilson to cook will probably take between two years and never...
Only thing I can remember doing on my ship was running a hose from the firemain on the forecastle down the hawsepipe and leaving it cracked open and running like you would with your house faucets. Winterizing the sailor was achieved via donning AntiExposure suits and an Arctic weather face mask.
I HATED my one north Pacific cruise in 1989 - aboard a US Navy Frigate in Oct-Jan off of western Alaska, Soviet Union, & Japan - hunting submarines. As an Aircrewman in the Seahawk - we had to wear dry-suits under our flight suits which guaranteed a 4-5 pound loss of SWEAT with each 8 hour flight. Of course they would "save our lives" if we ended up in the water... for perhaps an hour or two .
It would likely work technically well but that works basically by making the river even colder. It's a navigable body of water so I doubt whichever organization has jurisdiction over that matter would be super thrilled if they plumbed in an ice maker. Different matter if you've got a pond or something
Pea coats will keep your upper body dry and warm, but what about your legs? If you are outside below freezing, and you're being hit by wave splashes, won't your pants get wet and freeze??
Don't worry, the U.S. Navy had and still issues a range of wet and cold weather clothing, including waterproof and insulated pants, they have an outfit for most occasions.
Random question. I don't think it ever happened, but could a 16inch round be shot down by a CWIS? Land base CWIS can take out mortars so it's been a fun thought project to wrap my head around.
Nah, even the HE shells are considerably thickskinned. While a rocket is very thin skinned and CWIS basically only tries to rip the skin and let aerodynamics do the rest (hitting the warhead would be bonus), on a 16" lvl you better pray you somehow set off the explosive charge.
Probably reduces capacity. Fresh water is made on board from desalinization plants using evaporators, so as the supply sea water gets colder they'll require more energy input or just perform more slowly. It's the same system that generates boiler feedwater
Possibly daft idea - what about carpet rolled out on the deck before the snow? It'll freeze but will provide texture and thus grip. Might help keep people on the tour route too.
Depends on the depth and type of precipitate. If you have ice of any notable thickness (let's say 1/2 inch aprox. 1 cm) then the ice will be enough to _completely_ eliminate any useful texture that the carpet provided, leaving you with just whatever the ice developed by chance.
I was stationed on a ship in Alaska (USCGC Sedge). I don't remember doing anything in winter. We never used the air conditioning, heat only the entire time I was onboard. I saw it started once, I think just for radio when we went to Seattle. We would crack open a bleed on the potable water shore tie to keep it from freezing solid, which it would. It was a WWII era bouy tender, so it had a thick hull capable of ice operations. On my other ship (WHEC Munro) in California, I would shut down AC units as needed to keep them from cycling, but usually needed a couple for all the electronics. I think we avoided the worst weather, I don't remember having to knock ice off the decks (though as a Snipe, I wouldn't be). We did get some snow, but I don't remember freezing rain.
Very cool topic! We get cold weather in Texas, but never as cold for as long as the Battleship New Jersey gets! The Gulf of Mexico is considerably warmer. I hadn't thought about all this before, but I guess the Navy (and the Coast Guard, too) have to be prepared for all this kind of cold stuff!
Mr. Curator, if you are in charge of the speed at which the camera auto pans on the battleshipcams, could you slow the speed of the panning ever so slightly, please? it is to fast and makes me dizzy. thank you i get great pleasure out of watching your content
Ryan I can tell very clearly how bad of an experience you had with “tenants” and I understand as I hate people as well. However a thought occurred to me, which means you’ve probably had a committee meeting about it years ago already. AirBnB? Set a crazy price that makes it worth the hassle (and cost of over night babysitting staff) and see what happens. Respect and proprieties can be maintained, rules set and enforced and instant evictions specified for violations. Importantly MONEY for the general fund. Just an idea if you get desperate for operating funds.
All that ice on warships in the North Atlantic would make good camouflage if not for the fact that the ship moves, and smoke comes out the stack. I never understood why winter uniforms were dark blue instead of winter white.
Hot single battleship cams near you.
That’s hilarious.
Loving how so many Drachinifel fans ask him now questions that Ryan has inspired on this channel. The cross-pollination between two of my favorite naval history RUclipsrs and their friendship is awesome.
I really enjoy the projects that Ryan and Drachinifel have done together and look forward to more, as you said, “cross-pollination” between them!
Did Drach inspire the beard? The wide world wonders...
@@yes_headdoubtful…it’s called winter, most of us that work outdoors grow one for the season.
I enjoy Ryan’s videos but you have to remember he has never served on a ship or a single day in the navy. Therefore all his knowledge is based upon his interpretation of another man’s opinion. So long as you realise this you won’t go far wrong.
@@project182r3 But who has served that is a modern naval historian? Drachinifel and Dr. Alex Clarke have not. I do not believe Nick Jelicho or Andrew Lambert has either.
Ryan's beard has been looking particularly magnificent of late. He should develop a beard oil that smells like teakwood, cordite, fuel oil, and salt spray. Eau de Battleship No. 62
I would SO buy this!!!
Finally! I’ve been searching for a tutorial on this, it’s amazing that no one has a video on how to winterize your warship! Everyone has how to winterize your plants or your greenhouse or your pipes or your vegetable garden but no one says anything on your destroyer or your cruiser let alone your Iowa Class battleship!
Clearly one should bring the vehicle inside before any inclement weather.
...I wonder if any museum vessel is in a covered wet dock ? That could solve so many problems about rainwater leaks too, if its under an enormous roof like those airship hangers but still floating in water for the structural support.
Is this insane or just too expensive compared to maintenance costs ?
Well I mean these are all very niche vehicles. And for that matter, nobody has built a new battleship in years. Otherwise it's the same as Winterizing any other kind of steam ship; such as your LNG tanker.
Although I would add; if you're not going to take her out over the winter time, then your best bet is to bring her into dry land, set her up on cinder blocks.
Boy, this joke gets funnier each time I see it... on every new video.
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_III Sorry I’m new (or newer) here didn’t mean to reuse a prior joke, mea culpa?
@@Whitpusmc No worries. Unoriginal shitposting isn't a crime. If it was, network TV sitcoms would have been banned decades ago.
My uncle in the RN had the lousy job of using an axe to clear the ice on his corvette, while they were escorting conveys to Russia during World War II. They were always worried about capsizing.
Very real threat on smaller tonnage ships
My father spent a winter, about 1944-45, working on one of the ferries crossing Lake Michigan. His job: using a crowbar and a push broom, etc. to remove ice from the super structure and push it off the ship. Not fun, apparently.
@@HMSVanguard46 And it only takes a very little amount of ice to do it too, especially for those ships that were packed to the brim with tanks, trucks and all that, all the way to the deck.
Minor heart attack until I saw that "corvette" was lower case. ROFL! :)
Thanks for the tips, while DHL still has not delivered my Iowa class Battleship yet, I should still probably learn this stuff
it delivers itself right? just need crew pay and fuel costs
I think I’m weird because i love these videos of ‘how to manage your battleship museum’ the most. I am fascinated by the idea of curators pouring anti-freeze into toilet bowls just in case. And remember folks, we won’t know how long battleship winter will last until ‘Punxsutawney Ryan’ assesses the Quarterdeck for shadows.
"Hot local single Battleships"
My grandfather worked as a captain for Moran in NYC and on sea going tugs. My first real experience on the water was being on the bridge of a tug as she pushed a cruise ship. Brought back an old memory.
Did I just hear hot local *single* battleships?? Oh my.
4:00 Facial insulation...surprising how good even a little is @ keeping the face warm & how much you notice even on a chilly day after removal...
The beard suits you Ryan
Oh thank goodness! This video is coming out just in time! I really didn't know where I was going to start with my battleship!!!
😂😂😂
There probably ain't a lot of sawmills around yall's country, but sawdust is about the best stuff I've found. It won't melt anything, but it provides great traction and isn't abrasive to paint. It's hippe approved too since it rots.
Hippie approved?!?!?!?!
How many trees do you have to murder to get your “sawdust”?????
How about you just leave the trees alone!!!!
Ha! Tree killer!
🤔😉😎
might also rot the deck, get stuck in drains and rot promoting corrosion, and smell nasty to visitors.
Beard-tastic
Ryan just told me there are hot single battleships near my location... But I have eyes only for USS Oklahoma though.
Beard's looking good bro
I think the best way to avoid problems due to snow and ice and winter in general is to stay near the equator. In my naval career I never went north of San Diego.
Problems get swapped though. If you aren't dealing with ice and cold weather, you're dealing with sweltering temps and brutal UV light. Here in AZ, the sunlight is extremely brutal and the UV ruins signs, paint jobs, and even physically degrades materials completely. There's a tarp out in my backyard that's 6 months old, and it is RUINED. I mean, it's shredded. It fell apart after being blasted by the summer UV every day by the mid day and afternoon sun.
@@mannys9130 Ships have to be painted all the time, anyway, so that's not a real problem. And naval ships don't often use sails these days, so tarps falling apart don't matter, either.
But then you'd have to rename the New Jersey to California.
@@djinn666 Hawaii would be more apt.
This reminds me of Nelson’s very famous letter to the French: “Dear Mr Enemy Admiral, we don’t like you but we hate cold weather more. I mean if you’re going to be in action it’s better to have a tan right? So let’s do all our fighty fighting near the equator. Lots of love Admiral H Nelson”.
How did Battleship New Jersey fair during Hurricane Ida?
Can we get a video of Ryan on a tug boat doing donuts
Hot local single battleships near me?! ::private individual prepares financial support::
Foul weather jacket… i still have a few i still wear from 1984😀
Hey Ryan just seen the ghost hunters episode when then came to new jersey. Was a neat surprise to see u on the episode
Very timely cold weather topic on some of the wintertime challenges you face with the battleship. I believe one of the gangways at the Buffalo and Erie County Naval and Military Park did fall onto the ice this past storm, they have had some major challenges in last year and could really use our support. Thank you, Ryan, Libbey, the staff and volunteers for all the hard work and dedication preserving Battleship New Jersey!
You are correct. The gangway from The Sullivans to Little Rock (the lower one of the two) fell into the space between the ships when The Sullivans shifted.
Luv to Buffalo, it's Naval Park and people.
I thought the hot single battleships in your area app was Azur Lane. Glad to know there is a cam service too.
I toured the New Jersey in the early 2010's in the later winter months and it was certainly cold on the deck. I'd like to revisit eventually, but I live a couple of thousand miles away. 😭
I just toured New Jersey in October. Really enjoyed it. I was a boiler Tech in Vietnam and wanted to see the engine room and boilers. The guide was so nice he let me do the engine room tour myself and explain the working conditions to the tour group and what I put up with for 3.5 years.
I was driving listening in the background and I thought I had a stroke when he said hot local single battleships 😂
A active warship has a massive crew to deal with issues such as ice.
Thank you Ryan. I recently watched a video about the ships in Buffalo NY. I now better understand their dealing with winter and winter storms.
10:14 I bet that tug boat operators are similar to almost any other heavy equipment operator in that they will take any excuse to do donuts in their equipment lol
As you sometimes point out, the NJ is in mostly fresh water, whereas most battleships are in salt water! Can be good news, can be gad news. That was an insight I was interested to learn on this channel recently.
Salt?? Why not use sodium formate, like they use at airports with aircraft? It will not cause corrosion and WILL melt the ice.
There are also places that have been experimenting with beet juice (Ontario Canada) on the roads before a snow fall as a preventative to start the melting process.
Otherwise, keep up the good work. Even some of us Canucks enjoy Naval history too.
Yeah the Arctic Convoys of WW2 highlight why this is important
Take up knitting and knit yourself a Battleship Cozy.
I use a mix of water, rubbing alcohol, and natural detergent made from nettle. The alcohol is 1/4 of the mix, the soap's just enough to get a little bit of bubbling in the water. Using a sprayer, 10 liters of this mix are enough for 20 meters of driveway, 4 meters wide. It... basically "washes" away the snow. If the mix's right, you can see the ice bubble.
Very relatable what color is your battleship?
You guys should look into a combined heat and power system. It could lower you electricity bills while providing heat as well as providing back up power if the grid goes down.
Visualizing the tugboat crew doing “Donuts” in the river whilst having doughnuts and drinking coffee.
Memories of February 2019, literally the first job I had to do when I started on Maid of the Loch was turn the water back on because of course it had been turned off to stop the pipes freezing over winter. Also spreading salt on the deck and the pier. A steel deck can get very slippy when it's icy!
Being cold doesn't cause pneumonia. Bacteria and viruses cause pneumonia. Being cooped up together in poorly ventilated spaces in the winter leads to higher attack rates of upper and lower respiratory tract infection.
Born and raised in florida. I've never seen a snow flake let alone snow.
Love the beard. I enjoy your videos. I was concerned on how to winterize my battleship
Top tip for winterizing your battleship, sail to the equator for a tropical tour.
I say base her in Florida for the winter.
@@stealth9639 I mean, that's what the rest of New York and New Jersey do. Might as well have the ship follow the migration patterns of her home state residents. :)
Why didn't they think of that !
I'm sure that's so much cheaper than what they do now. (sarcasm)
i see ryan is winterizing too...
So once apon a time, before I used to be called a petty officer when we went into drydock at IMF Bangor, and that was a miserable experience in the winter. The engine room was always cold as hell, and didn't really have any active heating.
Up forward it wasn't too cold, except in places like control or machinery 2 where the LETs were.
On the duty days when I angered the section leader and had to stand topside rover especially if on the evening watch I would grab a hot cocoa from the galley and dip down to machinery one to go cuddle one of the motor generators and sip my cocoa to drive the cold out.
After I started standing POOD it was better, the POOD gets to hang out in the topside shack (basically a phone booth they crane aboard) and the theres a heater in there.
As to the Pea coat being water proof, I would say it's more very slightly water resistant...but if it was really cold, I was fond of wearing my peacoat under my "rain" coat, which was also poorly water resistant. Was it in regs, no not exactly, but prove it lol its not like anyone was checking. Get your coats on in the bunk room, go to MCC get your helmet/vest, go topside and wait for the duty chief for weapons turn over. Also somewhere between MCC and topside get a thermos full of hot beverage from the galley, before you had to "go stand on the roof" for the next 6 hours.
Join the Navy they said, they have submarines they said, it'll be fun they said....well it was a little just not the drydock refit parts, or the regular refit parts, or the some dumb @$$ flushed something they shouldn't and now the shit pump is clogged parts, or the occasionally even worse the tank suction is now clogged, so you to go in there and unclog it.....inside. the. CHT. Tank. With an EAB on. Yeah ....
But it had some good bits too and I learned a lot. But still would have preferred a fast attack, at least they get to make these things called port calls, to places not Hawaii, because something broke.
A LP gas or natural gas powered backup generator would be good, as you need the gas for heating.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. They're not cheap, though, which I would assume is the reason it hasn't been done.
Yes those would seem nice but if a automatic standby generator for a house that is 120/240 single phase costs between 10,000 and $20,000 then I would think one for a large ship that uses 480/277 three-phase could easily be in $100,000 range or more
Also, I would think if they’re predicting a storm that has the potential to cause power outages for weeks then that would be a time to shut the water off and blow all the lines out and fill them with antifreeze And then do the same with the steam heating system and just run electric heaters
Does the extreme cold have any documented effect on the strength of the armor? Im sure it would make it more brittle. (For instance the battle of north cape in the arctic)
Thermal mass.
That was definitely a problem in the early days of iron warships, in fact it resulted in most navies cancelling their first run of iron armored ships until the issue had been solved.
I don't think it has much of a quantitative effect anymore given the work that was done improving the properties of the metal used in ships
Forgot the many Great Lakes freighter museums up north! All of them close during the winter, as they became dangerous with ice and snow
I like this comment. Love my great lakes (Erie and Ontario especially)
SO- For what you have on the pier, what pressure temperature does it create? Your using the ships Original radiator's - right? The modern ships have some designs with Bridge Windows to keep the dry / free. I know of 1 weapon system with electric heat to prevent ice build up (anti-ice) not capable of de-ice, unknown suspect several other systems have such.
Hot, single battleships! 😂
Ah yes, let me just go winterize my battleship real quick
Why don’t you do bed and breakfast? That would help support the ship and you have an entire kitchen right there you can make some really good grub for the visitors😊
I've heard for the streets they where experimenting with pickle water.
Seems to work better than salt and less issues with the environment.
But I'm not sure how you guests and the ship would like that flavor
9:05 Funny you showed The Eastwind (WABG-279). My dad served aboard the Westwind (WAGB-281), was sad when they scrapped them all and didn't save just one of the class. I have one of the ensigns from the Westwind that he received way back in the 60's. He would have been either a LTJG or LT at the time. I would have to go back and check all the paperwork.
@Ryan - what is the best footwear to use onboard the ship or the deck?
Stay warm!
Ah yes because we all have a recreational battleship
4:01 i was going to comment at the start of the video. The beard does look quite spiffy. :)
If Iowa was sent to counter The German Battleship Tirpitz could Iowa have sunk Tirpitz.??
Think they did a video, did you check?
@@roaklin No I. Didn't check
No absolute guarantee (except the von Moltke one, "No plan survives contact with the enemy...") - but four important factors would come into play:
First, the Tirpitz mounted 8 x 15"/51.66 guns, while the Iowas mounted 9 x 16"/50 guns (which meant that the Iowas could fire more rounds than the Tirpitz, and could outrange the Tirpitz, and cause more damage with her hits than the Bismarck could cause with her hits.
Second, Tirpitz didn't have radar directed fire control, but the Iowas did - so the Iowas could start firing from longer distances than the Tirpitz could, and would welcome a night engagement (where the Tirpitz, needing to be in range for its optical rangefinders, would have a bit of difficulty at night).
Third, the Iowas were 2 1/2 knots faster than the Tirpitz, so, with their radar advantages, the Iowas could dictate how and when any engagement would be fought under.
Fourth, and most important in a real-life scenario, like the Royal Navy, Admiral King and the United States Navy didn't like giving their enemies a fair fight unless they had no alternative - and with U-boats and the long range Luftwaffe bomber corps a potential factor, there could have been a task group with the USS New Jersey consisting of at least six destroyers and a couple of cruisers, and maybe a light aircraft carrier like the USS Independence. Given the convoy tactical situation involving convoys to the USSR and the UK, the Royal Navy would also have a task group available if needed from Scapa Flow.
Just the first three factors, the New Jersey would have a very significant advantage over the Tirpitz 1 v 1 - very likely the New Jersey would win decisively, but when 15" armor piercing shells are flying about toward you, there's a chance that a lucky hit or two could damage New Jersey enough to make the battle much closer to even, or worse, if the wrong damage occurred at the right time, the Tirpitz could have an advantage.
However, in reality, German quality control in building the Tirpitz would be compared and contrasted to the Bismarck, as the USN and RN task group(s) would replicate the destruction of Bismarck (and with lessons learnt from the Bismarck, perhaps a little bit more easily, unless the Mark XV torpedoes for US destroyers hadn't been fixed yet by BuOrd, in which case, Admiral Christie would be assigned to commanding a cruiser escorting Arctic convoys to Murmansk for the rest of the war).
What’s the parasitic loss from using boiler steam to heat the ship, when underway? Asked differently: do the Iowa’s have a reduced top speed when they’re running the heater (because some of the boiler output into going into the drive at full pressure & temperature)?
That's a good question, I also wonder how that loss in available steam compares to the effect of simply being in cold water as the density is greater
ALL of these measures sound EXPENSIVE!
A leafblower sized hair dryer would deice it real fat.
Lmao hot single battle ships on cam, completely threw me off.
I knew there was a bit of meat on the winterization topic. It just took some time to cook.
Too bad the USN wouldn't allow a boiler to be used on ship...800 degrees steam would cook a beef roast in 2 minutes...
...by contrast, using a Russell Wilson to cook will probably take between two years and never...
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I'm just here to enjoy Ryan's transformation into an Alpha male with that beard.
Best way to get your battleship out of the winter? Sail her somewhere warm!
What Icebreaker was shown in the video?
ryan and his own insulation LMAO
3:54 Nice Beard Ryan.
Only thing I can remember doing on my ship was running a hose from the firemain on the forecastle down the hawsepipe and leaving it cracked open and running like you would with your house faucets. Winterizing the sailor was achieved via donning AntiExposure suits and an Arctic weather face mask.
I wonder if North Cape and Scharnhorst will pop up
I heard beat juice is a good deicer. Ever tried that? Or are there negative side effects that don't make it a viable solution?
I HATED my one north Pacific cruise in 1989 - aboard a US Navy Frigate in Oct-Jan off of western Alaska, Soviet Union, & Japan - hunting submarines. As an Aircrewman in the Seahawk - we had to wear dry-suits under our flight suits which guaranteed a 4-5 pound loss of SWEAT with each 8 hour flight. Of course they would "save our lives" if we ended up in the water... for perhaps an hour or two .
Wouldn't a heat pump system work using the water in the river?
It would likely work technically well but that works basically by making the river even colder. It's a navigable body of water so I doubt whichever organization has jurisdiction over that matter would be super thrilled if they plumbed in an ice maker. Different matter if you've got a pond or something
I saw USS VINCENNES take an unscheduled trip across Yokosuka harbor when she didn’t adequately prepare for a typhoon.
Start of the video I thought you guys had a hot tub on deck!
Got the 'I got a battleship' beard going.
why is closed caption no longer availble. I must be too early. see you tomorrow.
Cold-Iron, brrrr!
epic beard.
Put Christmas lights on your pipes and they will not freeze....
Can you get infrared LEDs?
Pea coats will keep your upper body dry and warm, but what about your legs? If you are outside below freezing, and you're being hit by wave splashes, won't your pants get wet and freeze??
Don't worry, the U.S. Navy had and still issues a range of wet and cold weather clothing, including waterproof and insulated pants, they have an outfit for most occasions.
Random question. I don't think it ever happened, but could a 16inch round be shot down by a CWIS? Land base CWIS can take out mortars so it's been a fun thought project to wrap my head around.
Nah, even the HE shells are considerably thickskinned. While a rocket is very thin skinned and CWIS basically only tries to rip the skin and let aerodynamics do the rest (hitting the warhead would be bonus), on a 16" lvl you better pray you somehow set off the explosive charge.
Possible? I should think so if you have enough ammo and ciws's but definitely not a realistic thought
Funny watching this and it’s 60 degrees in New Jersey right now lol
What would happen to the ships drinking water when the ship goes through freezing water? How does drinking water system work?
Probably reduces capacity. Fresh water is made on board from desalinization plants using evaporators, so as the supply sea water gets colder they'll require more energy input or just perform more slowly. It's the same system that generates boiler feedwater
in my garden i use urea powder for melting snow and ice it can't go through all snow but it helps a lot
My pipes froze and busted from this recent cold snap we had.
Salt only makes ice more slippery. Good shoes are your friend.
It's easy, come to Australia, it's warm or hot here every day 😎
How do you winterize a battleship? Sail it to Panama.
Possibly daft idea - what about carpet rolled out on the deck before the snow? It'll freeze but will provide texture and thus grip. Might help keep people on the tour route too.
Depends on the depth and type of precipitate. If you have ice of any notable thickness (let's say 1/2 inch aprox. 1 cm) then the ice will be enough to _completely_ eliminate any useful texture that the carpet provided, leaving you with just whatever the ice developed by chance.
Snowman made sitting on AA machine gun is so cute ) 3:41
I was stationed on a ship in Alaska (USCGC Sedge). I don't remember doing anything in winter. We never used the air conditioning, heat only the entire time I was onboard. I saw it started once, I think just for radio when we went to Seattle. We would crack open a bleed on the potable water shore tie to keep it from freezing solid, which it would. It was a WWII era bouy tender, so it had a thick hull capable of ice operations.
On my other ship (WHEC Munro) in California, I would shut down AC units as needed to keep them from cycling, but usually needed a couple for all the electronics. I think we avoided the worst weather, I don't remember having to knock ice off the decks (though as a Snipe, I wouldn't be). We did get some snow, but I don't remember freezing rain.
Very cool topic! We get cold weather in Texas, but never as cold for as long as the Battleship New Jersey gets! The Gulf of Mexico is considerably warmer. I hadn't thought about all this before, but I guess the Navy (and the Coast Guard, too) have to be prepared for all this kind of cold stuff!
Glad Ryan and the Volunteers really care about preserving this important piece of global history. Hope for a great 2023! Blessings.
Mr. Curator, if you are in charge of the speed at which the camera auto pans on the battleshipcams, could you slow the speed of the panning ever so slightly, please? it is to fast and makes me dizzy. thank you i get great pleasure out of watching your content
i love steel. Very interesting episode, especially the bit where the tide is moving the frozen ice and the ship trapped in it, never knew that.
Ryan I can tell very clearly how bad of an experience you had with “tenants” and I understand as I hate people as well. However a thought occurred to me, which means you’ve probably had a committee meeting about it years ago already. AirBnB? Set a crazy price that makes it worth the hassle (and cost of over night babysitting staff) and see what happens. Respect and proprieties can be maintained, rules set and enforced and instant evictions specified for violations. Importantly MONEY for the general fund.
Just an idea if you get desperate for operating funds.
We have organized overnight campers on board most weekends, hundreds of people pretty much every weekend. Just no live aboards.
All that ice on warships in the North Atlantic would make good camouflage if not for the fact that the ship moves, and smoke comes out the stack. I never understood why winter uniforms were dark blue instead of winter white.