Yeah at 7:00 i had to come to the comments to make sure that in fact was NOT Mozart, why are these things still kept in? Historical value is nice but its just not good lol
Il ne faut pas mélanger les genres : intercaler l'oeuvre de Rainer Bischof au milieu de celle de Mozart, fût-elle incomplète, n'apporte rien à personne !
I'm so much suprised.... from min 8 this doesnt seem Mozart, in here there are non tonal music, is this really Mozart??? Is there any other composition like this from Mozart? IF this is ABSOLUTLY from W.A. then he contemplated eveery music any can compose.... amazing... Please answer...
+John Doe Doe Hello John Doe Doe. The duet and recitative are not by Mozart. There is no explanations on the CD notes about who composed these two movements. After some research, it turns out that they were composed by Austrian composer Dr. Rainer Bischof (b.1947). I changed the notes accordingly. Thank you for pointing out that lack of information on my part. Friedrich
+ComposersbyNumbers Thanks... I am number 1 fan of Mozart.... I was shooked when I heared Opus 133 from Beethoven because this meant he in deed contemplated all the future music.... I've always thought that Mozart could have been composed any non tonal music like this opus, maybe he just needed some more years or he just decided that tonal music just sounds better... don't know
Stanley Sadie, eminent Mozart scholar, reviewing the original release of this album: "Mozart's friend Maximilian Stadler scored up the sketched movements (not very well or faithfully to Mozart's prescribed intentions), but here two more are added, to new words, in a 12-note setting by Rainer Bischoff, which I have to say makes extremely disagreeable listening in this context and seems at best a somewhat pretentious notion." (www.gramophone.co.uk/review/mozart-the-freemason-music) (Wayback Machine link: web.archive.org/web/20190728204130/www.gramophone.co.uk/review/mozart-the-freemason-music ) Have to say I agree with that late eminent Mozart scholar on the Bischoff "completion." By the way, the additional words (duet and recitative) are said to be by Alexander Giese (1921-2016), an Austrian journalist and Freemason.
I don't know how this cantata is performed in masonic meetings. Maybe, the numbers are performed separately with speech or ritual in between. In that case, it's perfectly possible to combine Mozart with any other idiom. In concert or cd context ... not so much. I was immediately reminded of Ein musikalischer Spaß, and that's surely no compliment.
Mozart composa cette cantate à la gloire du soleil en prévision de la fête de la saint jean d'été. La fête n'eut pas lieu et la cantate demeura inachevée.
Took many years, and going through each Mozart piece one by one, to find something that is atrocious and will never listen to again. Did he make this under the influence of LSD?
really modern, tense, mysterious, music.
the final two minutes are classical and hopeful.
Yeah at 7:00 i had to come to the comments to make sure that in fact was NOT Mozart, why are these things still kept in? Historical value is nice but its just not good lol
Il ne faut pas mélanger les genres : intercaler l'oeuvre de Rainer Bischof au milieu de celle de Mozart, fût-elle incomplète, n'apporte rien à personne !
I'm so much suprised.... from min 8 this doesnt seem Mozart, in here there are non tonal music, is this really Mozart??? Is there any other composition like this from Mozart? IF this is ABSOLUTLY from W.A. then he contemplated eveery music any can compose.... amazing... Please answer...
+John Doe Doe
Hello John Doe Doe. The duet and recitative are not by Mozart. There is no explanations on the CD notes about who composed these two movements. After some research, it turns out that they were composed by Austrian composer Dr. Rainer Bischof (b.1947). I changed the notes accordingly. Thank you for pointing out that lack of information on my part. Friedrich
+ComposersbyNumbers Thanks... I am number 1 fan of Mozart.... I was shooked when I heared Opus 133 from Beethoven because this meant he in deed contemplated all the future music.... I've always thought that Mozart could have been composed any non tonal music like this opus, maybe he just needed some more years or he just decided that tonal music just sounds better... don't know
Do you know Mozart's Gigue KV 573? It's also future music, like Prokofiev! :)
At the 8th minute, that's when Mozart hit the Tequila a little too hard.
@@josecarlosdelucas4661 try adagio and fugue k546 or dissonance quartet k465
Stanley Sadie, eminent Mozart scholar, reviewing the original release of this album: "Mozart's friend Maximilian Stadler scored up the sketched movements (not very well or faithfully to Mozart's prescribed intentions), but here two more are added, to new words, in a 12-note setting by Rainer Bischoff, which I have to say makes extremely disagreeable listening in this context and seems at best a somewhat pretentious notion." (www.gramophone.co.uk/review/mozart-the-freemason-music) (Wayback Machine link: web.archive.org/web/20190728204130/www.gramophone.co.uk/review/mozart-the-freemason-music )
Have to say I agree with that late eminent Mozart scholar on the Bischoff "completion." By the way, the additional words (duet and recitative) are said to be by Alexander Giese (1921-2016), an Austrian journalist and Freemason.
This sounds very unlike Mozart...upon reading the comments, I think many of you agree.
I don't know how this cantata is performed in masonic meetings. Maybe, the numbers are performed separately with speech or ritual in between. In that case, it's perfectly possible to combine Mozart with any other idiom. In concert or cd context ... not so much. I was immediately reminded of Ein musikalischer Spaß, and that's surely no compliment.
Testoviron hat mich hierher geschickt!
Widzę że nie tylko ja od Testa
Mozart composa cette cantate à la gloire du soleil en prévision de la fête de la saint jean d'été. La fête n'eut pas lieu et la cantate demeura inachevée.
Merci pour ce fait ...Intéressant
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lmao
On dirait presque du Ligeti.
🤧🤧
danke!
Habe Link gesetzt: www.wgsebald.de/MOZART/juli.html#25
Took many years, and going through each Mozart piece one by one, to find something that is atrocious and will never listen to again. Did he make this under the influence of LSD?
The duet and recitative are NOT by Mozart. That's why!
後半、モーツァルトじゃねえよな（笑）