That’s why I use splash cymbals. They’re the minor exclamation points for me. I reserve the crash cymbals for transitions. Also sometimes I go the Stewart Copeland route and end parts with just a tom roll or a snare flam.
You are right 100% to this , we used to hit crashes more often and avoid to be more groovy and do some licks on the kit that will sound more awesome for our skills, and me into that!!
Years ago I went to a drum clinic with Chester Thompson who was playing extensively with Genesis at the time and he said during the clinic.....LESS IS MORE > AND he showed us! For what it's worth, I got his autograph on a Remo 12" tom head and I have it hanging in my art studio / drum room.
I have had the opportunity to see many awesome, big names in-clinic. They all had high points and some important information to share, but the two most informative and really useful that stick out to me were the late Dom Famularo, and Chester Thompson. He did a great clinic, and answered all questions, including some inane newber queries, such as the one I had at the time!
Yep good point. In rock or metal the hihat or ride does not cut enought so crash has its place but in chill groovy song you dont need to spam it every measure ❤
That’s a great point brother! I left out how this can change per genre. Theres definitely some times where more frequent crashes are called for and I’ll do a follow up on this 🤘
Great advice! I had a teacher who told me to play everything on purpose. I would add that you don't have to hit a crash only on the downbeat, either. Like, this horn riff goes 1, 2, 3e&a, you could hit 2 and "a" and it would be hip.
Good video, I am surprised at how good those PST7 cymbals sounded, I was going to order some PST8 cymbals but held off because I assumed the PST line was cheap junk, I think I may give them a try, after hearing yours.
So your saying, Less Is More? Does not compute! I spent so much money on them crash cymbals… I’m about to slap that Mic! Official Mic Slap Count: 1 (off Camera)
Great topic. You may want to take this a little further - I.e., there should be no sounds that the music doesn’t ask for. And if I don’t know why I’m doing something, maybe there’s no reason to do it.
Your first take where you hit the crashes a bunch I felt was good and was not too many crash hits as it did accent things and went with the tune. Your second take you did not hit the crashes as much but accented instead with the hi-hat instead of the crashes. I think either version in this case worked for different reasons. You did basically play the tune the same, but whether you used the crash cymbals or the hi-hat, neither take on the tune was bad, and both worked. For me personally, I liked the first take with the crashes as it gave the tune a cool vibe. With the second take, the vibe shifted a little, and there was more emphasis on the hi-hat, which made the accents and hits more subtle. I do not think your second take was more or less professional sounding than your first take with the crash cymbals. There can be times where hitting the crash cymbals a lot is too much for a tune, and there are times when lots of crash hits work. In this case, I think the crashes you felt were too much actually worked and sounded great with the tune. As a drummer myself, I do not feel I use my crash cymbals enough, and your first take gave me ideas on how to use my crashes more.
Even playing it “wrong,” I thought that sounded pretty right. Some people play way, way, way more metal. And they all have that thing of riding the edge of the cymbal with the edge of the stick, for that nasty, incessant wall of wash. Yes! “Less is more.”
Could’ve made the bell a little more tasty too I would’ve probably laid off a few eight notes and then maybe swing a couple of sixteenths here and there. Good advice though thanks.
That’s why I use splash cymbals. They’re the minor exclamation points for me. I reserve the crash cymbals for transitions. Also sometimes I go the Stewart Copeland route and end parts with just a tom roll or a snare flam.
You are right 100% to this , we used to hit crashes more often and avoid to be more groovy and do some licks on the kit that will sound more awesome for our skills, and me into that!!
Years ago I went to a drum clinic with Chester Thompson who was playing extensively with Genesis at the time and he said during the clinic.....LESS IS MORE > AND he showed us! For what it's worth, I got his autograph on a Remo 12" tom head and I have it hanging in my art studio / drum room.
I have had the opportunity to see many awesome, big names in-clinic. They all had high points and some important information to share, but the two most informative and really useful that stick out to me were the late Dom Famularo, and Chester Thompson. He did a great clinic, and answered all questions, including some inane newber queries, such as the one I had at the time!
Yep good point. In rock or metal the hihat or ride does not cut enought so crash has its place but in chill groovy song you dont need to spam it every measure ❤
THIS!
That’s a great point brother! I left out how this can change per genre. Theres definitely some times where more frequent crashes are called for and I’ll do a follow up on this 🤘
So happy for you dude, love your channel and attitude. Fantastic drummer as well.
Groovy, solid advice brother!
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Honestly, I've never thought about this, bro. Thank you!!
Completely agree with cymbal “placement” in a song. 🤘🏼🇨🇦
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Point well taken, Joey. Thank you.❤️🙏🏻❤️
Thats why i like i open hats between measures or splashes instead of crashes for quick burst but save the crashes for bigger moments
Nice hook in the beginning. Awesome I love the snare🥁
Absolutely agree. Its a part of becoming musically mature. It of course depends on the genre. But its a good video!
Great advice! I had a teacher who told me to play everything on purpose. I would add that you don't have to hit a crash only on the downbeat, either. Like, this horn riff goes 1, 2, 3e&a, you could hit 2 and "a" and it would be hip.
The crashes could have been played sporadically off-beat too, since it is funk music.
i cheered when you replaced most of the crash hits with hi hat barks in the second playthrough. like YES BRO that's just how you do it!!!!!!
what is the far right cymbal ? PST 16 inch ? which model exactly?
I'm a beginner who just learned I can use my left hand to crash lol so it's a cymbal party when I'm playing!
Chris Dave is like “what’s a crash?”
Good video, I am surprised at how good those PST7 cymbals sounded, I was going to order some PST8 cymbals but held off because I assumed the PST line was cheap junk, I think I may give them a try, after hearing yours.
So your saying, Less Is More?
Does not compute!
I spent so much money on them crash cymbals… I’m about to slap that Mic!
Official Mic Slap Count: 1 (off Camera)
May I ask: Did you use the Yamaha EAD10 to record your entire kit or were other mics in the mix? It sounds fantastic!
yes I did! completely raw, no reverb or effects 🤌
@@thecowboydrummer Thanks. I just found your other video about that piece of gear.
Great topic. You may want to take this a little further - I.e., there should be no sounds that the music doesn’t ask for. And if I don’t know why I’m doing something, maybe there’s no reason to do it.
Your first take where you hit the crashes a bunch I felt was good and was not too many crash hits as it did accent things and went with the tune. Your second take you did not hit the crashes as much but accented instead with the hi-hat instead of the crashes. I think either version in this case worked for different reasons. You did basically play the tune the same, but whether you used the crash cymbals or the hi-hat, neither take on the tune was bad, and both worked. For me personally, I liked the first take with the crashes as it gave the tune a cool vibe. With the second take, the vibe shifted a little, and there was more emphasis on the hi-hat, which made the accents and hits more subtle. I do not think your second take was more or less professional sounding than your first take with the crash cymbals. There can be times where hitting the crash cymbals a lot is too much for a tune, and there are times when lots of crash hits work. In this case, I think the crashes you felt were too much actually worked and sounded great with the tune. As a drummer myself, I do not feel I use my crash cymbals enough, and your first take gave me ideas on how to use my crashes more.
What ride is that? Great video
Hey Brother, awesome info. I love your new Black Beauty. When are you gonna put an Evans head on it and which one???
Ha ha I remember when I used to do that!
amazing vid! I'll have to try this more often!
Too many cymbal hits, is my guess.
I guessed right! Am I special now?
Even playing it “wrong,” I thought that sounded pretty right. Some people play way, way, way more metal. And they all have that thing of riding the edge of the cymbal with the edge of the stick, for that nasty, incessant wall of wash. Yes! “Less is more.”
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Pocket groove and no gospel chops....although, I love them
Boy was i wrong. I thought it was because your cymbal had holes in it and you're not making faces at the camera.
Play like Thomas Lang.
*Unless your name is Matt Halpern 😂
often, less is more
Much more tasty the second time! Also seemed like you did less of the (trendy) left hand 16th on the hihat the second time.
Too many crashes and no left foot work
Yes and no but, for my ears using crash as a ping ride never sounded good.
So less is more.
Very nice video, I will subscribe to your channel immdediately.
Could’ve made the bell a little more tasty too I would’ve probably laid off a few eight notes and then maybe swing a couple of sixteenths here and there. Good advice though thanks.
You managed to make it bland, boring and totally uninteresting