The appointment of Walker as the head of performance was a DEI disaster, and now he's still there in senior management. It's not just the men's team either, the women are terrible also.
People say we don’t have the players, but it’s taken 22 games for Gatland to pick Rogers as a first choice winger. It might be that Morgan Morris, or Kieran Williams, or Eddie James (as a starter), or Dan Edwards, or any number of others might make a big difference.
You? I’m English. Well, as an example, I work with 3 Aussies, and they were all saying - last year - that Australia just didn’t have the players. One, probably the most passionate of the bunch, said Eddie Jones should stay because it wasn’t a coaching problem, it was a player problem.
I’m slightly biased because I mainly watch the English Prem, but if I was in charge of Wales I would want to look at (perhaps just to nurture): Joe Hawkins Dan Edwards Freddie Thomas Jarrod Evans Dan Jon James Fender Morgan Morris Morgan-Williams Ioan Lloyd Callum Sheedy Henry Thomas Lewis-Hughes Parry Only a few need to work out to make a difference.
Unfortunately, I don’t think any of them could come in and make a substantial enough difference to improve this team at the moment. Some young promising players in that list but untested like the other players in this squad
People keep saying we don't have the players coming through, yet 2.75% of our male population play rugby in Wales. Australia have 6-7x times our population yet they have a mere 0.66% of males playing rugby out of their entire male population! And Scotland is even lower at 0.55% with only 2 proffesional clubs! So with that nonsense debunked, what other BS excuse will people come up with now? "Our players aren't big/physical enough to compete" That last 20 minutes in the 1st half more than shows enough evidence that we can match the physicality of the other top teams. We constantly made good carries and consistently broke the gain line while dominating them in defence in that period too. It's the horrific level of game management, awful standard of critical thinking in key moments of the game and lacking any sort of variety in attack that lets us down every time as we always end up giving Australia an easy free pass to gain possession and territory to score easy points. 40 of the 52 points Australia scored, they didn't have to work for it! As we either gifted them a free run in from an interception or we give away a super cheap penalty and they maul it in easily. It's not rocket science to see why they had so much energy towards the end of the game when we did all of their hard work for them! Then we were knackering ourselves out trying to chase the game like headless chickens! Any person who watched this match that has coaching experience will agree with that statement and know just how awful Wales were, compared to the standard arm chair fans that keep blurting out the same old excuses. I have seen pub teams coached way better than what I've seen today and it's humiliating to say that! I hate having to keep bashing Gatland, but at the moment him and his pack of numpties are the major problem! Schmidt has only been in Australia for a mere 4 months and they are looking massively improved already and it's not like their union is in the healthiest of states either! Gatland has been back in Wales for 2 years and we somehow keep getting worse! Just goes to show what a monumental difference is between an innovative coach and a coach that is 20 years behind the modern game. It's no coincidence that the Chiefs (New Zealand rugby team) had also went on their worst ever losing streak while Gatland was in charge!? Do people really need any more evidence provided to see what the main problem for Wales is at the moment?? He would have been sacked months ago this was any other nation. We need to stop being sentimental and the board in the WRU need to pull their heads out of their asses and start making the harsh decisions. The game will not sustain itself and survive for much longer if we continue to get worse
Excellent well thought out comment as always. Everything you said is so true and spot on. Can you pop down to the next WRU meeting and just set them all straight please? 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼😂
@@xxwales15xx33 the quality ofvworld class player is not there simple as.you cant train a staffordshire bull terrier to be a lurcher.its about genetics individuals mate.the pool of quality is not there to pick from. Can you compare one back on the currentvwelsh team.to george north jamie roberts alex cuthbert leigh halfpenny.scott gibs howley gareth thomas.i could go on through the ages.and the anwser is no.in any world class imternational team through 5he ages.theres at least 5 world class players.so it does come diwn to individuals within a team.name any team from any part of the world from 1970s on.and you can pick the stars in that team.them players that change a game in the 75th minute etc.we got good players.but not physically world class in every discipline of the game players.
@@xxwales15xx33 and prime example.the barvarians.they can go out and compete and beat top teams.with two weeks of training under a coach they just met.and why you ask.because on occasion the team is stuffed with world class players.and that is why and that is the only reason.
@@davejones1372 Disagree with you about not having the players when we clearly do and I disagree with your analogy even more. Do some research mate and perhaps you'd find some actual perspective. We have an unbelievably young and inexperienced team, that doesn't mean they're not good enough. As did you know the team Australia fielded yesterday had more caps than any other tier 1 team in the world? They have 2x the amount of international caps than we do overall. Also their entire backline has 4x the amount of caps as our backline currently have. If that doesn't speak volumes to you then I don't know what will 🤣 Gatland has done an awful job of integrating these young players as he's chucked them in all at once while booting out our veterans who have insane amounts of test level experience. The young lads we got now have nobody of any real test match experience to look up to and learn off within the team and shows with the amount of rookie decisions and errors they make. It's common knowledge within team sports that you always need the perfect mixture of experience and youth to be the best in any game. You cant rely on a team full of teens nor can you rely on a team full of players who are way past their best. Australia have a far greater blend of youth and experience compared to us and add the fact that they got a far more modern and innovative coach than us, this type of spanking was always gonna be on the cards.
@@davejones1372 Barbarians is another bad example. 1. They're a team filled with the players who are already the best on the planet 2. Even then they don't win that often and get beat by development teams from those countries. 3. They couldn't even beat a Fiji team that had their best players out and that similar team got hammered by Scotland
Agree with all your comments. When Gatland first took over Wales he picked the Ospreys and 2 players outside of that team. The Ospreys were doing well with a solid scrum. But more importantly they had a squad of players with a balance of experienced players and new talent. Today due to the funding cuts they have a depleted squad and are picking players who perhaps need more time to develop. Wales have been forced to pick from those teams in the main. The comment of them looking like boys compared to Australia is spot on. Individually they are not bad players, but where is the cohesion, where are the leaders, where is the experience? For me the game was summed up in the great 50 22 by Rhodri Williams, only for the lineout to go wrong. Then again the second time leading to all momentum being lost. The message should have been just secure the ball. I agree with the pundits, ex-players, who are critical of the performance, but they were lucky to come into settled squads. Don’t like saying this but maybe Wales should play more games with tier 2 nations to start to get wins and develop confidence and build as a team as they mature. There are still things that happen that makes no sense to me Ben Thomas restarting matches, why? Winnett receiving from the opposition kick off, again Why? I like both players but I don’t understand what each of those decisions adds to the team. Dewi Lake talking afterwards regarding his belief in the players and that they will develop into a good team. I have no doubt about that, but the trouble is that all the other nations are developing quicker and with more depth. I personally put my criticism squarly towards the WRU. There needs to be more funding within the regions so that they can build competitive squads, if they don’t these players will just be learning to loose which can become a habit.
Yes, I’m that perfectly mate, and there’s nothing else I can really add to that you’ve hit the nail on the head. It all eventually leads back to the WRU and the lack of investment and forward planning and until something changes I think it’s gonna maintain a downward spiral unfortunately.
Not getting rid of Gatland would be insane. I know there are some Trumpian types around that feel that think Gatland is the second coming, but you just have to look at his record elsewhere - or speak to a Kiwi about him. The evidence is clear for everyone to see. Just look at this extract from Wikipedia: On 28 June 2019, it was announced Gatland would return home to Hamilton to coach the Chiefs on a four-year deal which would include a sabbatical in 2021 to coach the British & Irish Lions. His first season in charge was a disaster, with his side losing all eight games in the Super Rugby Aotearoa competition. This led to him being voted as the worst coach in the competition.[39] In December 2022, Gatland left his role at the Chiefs and returned to coach the Welsh national team. In my mind, there are some unforgivable moments in this tenure: 1. Not speaking to Mani FW 2. Re-employing Howley 3. Naming Cory Hill captain 4. Sticking to Beard (who I rate fwiw) when there are more dynamic options. Beard has scored 1 try in 190 games. It’s not the measure of a lock, I know, but it must say something. I mean, Freddie Thomas has scored 3 in 5 games this season.
cracking video as usual mate think every one is thinking the same thing at this point ik ill never stop loveing wales and welsh rugby and i think itll work it self out some how but fear were in a for a far bit of pain in the near future.
First time I’ve watched your channel. It’s so sad seeing this and I do feel sorry for you. What’s really tragic (figure of speech) is that I think there’s more behind this structurally and the WRU have a lot of blame to take here. The game needs a strong wales just like it needs a strong Australia. I think England (I’m English) are also in a spot to be fair. Borthwick is trrrible and should never have been appointed. But things go in cycles and the administrators do need to ensure that participation remains high and things _will_ turn around. My frustration is with the continuing lack of focus on talent ID in non-private education in England. It’s scandalous how rugby participation has dropped to almost zero in state schools with a few pockets that are exceptions like the southwest. Best wishes from Yorkshire.
@ 🤣brilliant. I hear Eddie’s at a loose end (or rather available to the highest bidder) I think they’ve both jumped the shark, Borewick cos he’s _never_ been up to it and Gats because he should never have gone back. His legacy has a bit of a shadow now. And that’s very sad.
WRU have been the problem, not investing in the Welsh youth while wales were winning with the likes of bigger and Alun wyn jones , wales under 20s for at least ten years have been under performing and the WRU happy with wales sitting second or third from the bottom. You reap what you sow and now we are seeing those results. 😡
To be honest there are some good youth players in the squad. Daffyd Jenkins is injured but he’s got a bright future. I think Josh Hathaway is talent who needs playing. Mason Grady when’s he fit will grow to be a brilliant player and same with Dan Edwards. I think in a few years time we won’t be back to prime but we will be in a better position. We need time.
Does anyone know why the WRU have not invested in grass roots rugby. Are they short of money, can’t be bothered or simply it would be too much hard work to give it a go
World Rugby needs a strong Welsh team. Its been really sad to see their decline - this coming from a Springbok supporter. Really hope Wales can start finding their form again. Hoping for a good game on Saturday.
Thank you, my friend. I really hope so too. It’s usually a fun game between us and you guys so hopefully they can pick themselves of the floor and have a competitive game next week 👍🏼
agree, but the fundamentals underpinning the whole structure have completely crumbled. It's a small nation, and the indigenous Welsh population are getting smaller and older by the day. The future doesn't look bright. I know I sound like Debbie Downer, and I so don't want to, but we're just not cutting it anymore.
I hate to single players out negatively but Ryan Elias missing line outs as consistently after 40 caps is in no way good enough. One of the primary jobs of the Hooker. Given the importance of momentum in Rugby he so consistently comes on and prevents us getting into a game. I’d rather we just pick a young up and comer and invest in them then carry on with him if he won’t address that skill issue.
I agree with you. Unfortunately the youngster behind Elias, Evan Lloyd can’t throw either. It’s fair to say we haven’t the players at the moment but it really bugs me when people say people like Belcher, Morgan Morris and Keiran Williams aren’t international level when they’ve never had a crack (I know Keiran has 1 cap). Hardly any of our squad are currently at that level but certain players have dozens of caps and other players don’t even get a chance.
THe problem is that the expectations of Wales and Gatland are to match the team of Wyn Jones, Faletau, Tipuric, Owens, etc. And what happens when Wales get outstanding players? Rees Zammit wasnt paid enough to play rugby, Liam Williams is in Japan, all the outstanding players have retired or buggered off because the organisation of Welsh rugby is appalling.
Hi Christian, Gutted mate, the players were all to sorts, the basics was not there and one player did not know what the next player was doing they are not gelling well. I don't think this is down to Warren Gatlands coaching it's the players on the day. this Welsh team is not ready, we need help, I don't think Warrens coaching is bad, he is not a bad coach ,just look at our past, he is coaching the same way now as he did in 2019/18, 2015, 2013,2012,2008.I don't think it's Warren, it's the WRU, If Warren Gatland goes our national team will drop. I will not give up on our team, it's going to be like this for a while,I don't know when but we will be back, I'm with Wales win or lose and yes i'm gutted that's rugby for you. Always good to catch your thoughts, till next time take care
Thanks mate. Always great to hear from you and get your perspective. I do take your point on Gatland and I agree most of the blame lies with the WRU. Unless they all go all there some drastic change I think you said this is going to go on for awhile But just like you, I’ll be watching and stick with the boys. Cheer mate
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Hi Christian, trick times at the moment for our boys, but I'll always stand by my team they represent us, win or lose. we need new mangement in the WRU and Warren to stay. catch you soon mate
With such a young team, Wales would be mad to get rid of Warren. He's an excellent coach who can nurture young talent over the next three years in readiness for the 2027 World Cup. It's a rebuilding phase. Don't make the mistake of Australia by going through three coaches in quick succession.
But the size the athletasism the speed the skill the genetics.is not there with most of these players.and that is the diffrence at this level.no world class players comingbthrough.just good players.
Yes, it’s true, Australia are now completely rubbish 😂 He’s a great coach? Have you even followed his career? Take this part as an example (straight from Wikipedia): On 28 June 2019, it was announced Gatland would return home to Hamilton to coach the Chiefs on a four-year deal which would include a sabbatical in 2021 to coach the British & Irish Lions. His first season in charge was a disaster, with his side losing all eight games in the Super Rugby Aotearoa competition. This led to him being voted as the worst coach in the competition.[39] In December 2022, Gatland left his role at the Chiefs and returned to coach the Welsh national team.
Rugby I believe is becoming what baseball is like in the US where some teams and organisations just have more money than others, other bigger market teams can afford the better coaches, who can afford to develop the younger players plus be able to pay the boys better I once spoke to Wayne Pivoc about a coach gatland originally wanted on the team going forward after gatland left but the "undisclosed" coach took the job in france because they were willing to pay more than triple what the WRU were willing to do
We've been there, Kamp Staaldraad, losing to Italy and Japan.... 53-3 to England, 57-0 against Nzl....... 2003 world cup kicked our ass. 2 weeks ago Australian rugby was over.... So Wales can come back. But! something has to be done of course. I think some of my friends have a short memory.
Australia have had a complete shake up, different coach, different management, different game plan. The game has moved on so much in Gatlands time, he hasn’t. Time for Wales to move on.
Todays the day i think you can fault the effort. I dont doubt they work hard however after 50 minutes there was more than 1 welsh player on that pitch who looked absolutely spent and just wanted to be anywhere but on that pitch
It’s a tough one becomes I don’t believe they never give anything that 100% but today seamed like the belief was drained from them and they had nothing else to offer
I was waiting for your video and was concerned for your mental health. Wales needs some games against Portugal, Spain, Uruguay, USA, Georgia etc to get some urgently needed wins. Some of those guys don’t know what it’s like to win. Jac Morgan is outstanding. You’ve been very generous to Warren but Gatland needs to go. He was no good coaching Waikato either and I don’t know why Wales got him back. Is it possible to throw a sickie before next weeks match??
I appreciate the concern Bruce, thankfully I’m alright😂 Yeah, I think if it’s bad next week, I might just do my video lying in the gutter outside as a sign of where we are as fans 😂 I’m getting the vibe the Gatlin might not make next week actually so going to be an interesting few days
This performance was woeful. For the second weekend in a row, we played worse against 14 men than we did against 15. To leak 3 tries when you're a man up is just not acceptable. Don't see sacking Gatland will make any difference. The bottom line is that the players are just not good enough. If there were a dozen world players out injured maybe swapping coaches would help, but basically that's pretty close to our best 15.
Yeah, I agree. It’s pretty much your best team, but I’m pretty sure Gats has lost the dressing room at this point and short of changing the coach. There’s not really anything you can do
The blame for this latest nadir lies squarely at the feet of the WRU. This is the result of over a century of the game being asset stripped and run into the ground by self interested non rugby people. The current crop loudly trumpet their ‘big business credentials’ but they are supposed to be servants of a community based game? It’s fine reaping a fat corporate CEO salary, whilst treading water between executive appointments. In the meantime the domestic game in Wales is defunded for the sake of corporate speculation like the Park Gate Hotel. Players and regions are told they have to survive on a pittance………are the executive board told the same thing? Remarkably enough, the game is reliant on the players and fans, not the governing body. Wages and ticket prices do NOT reflect this! The game we just saw perfectly mirrored a URC game involving a Welsh region. The Welsh team huffed and puffed, but ultimately got nowhere. As soon as the opposition got the ball, they found it all too easy to score. The product reflects the investment.
Yeah, excellent comment Rob your comparisons are so right and as you said, it’s been overlooked too long by the WRU that the players are actually the ones who wins on the weekend. Your point about the ticket in prices to spot on. Price in the average person out of the game, the only people who can get there is from corporate tickets and it showed today only 50,000 in the stadium and it sounded like a library in there
Feeling so deflated after that shipped 50+ points at home to an Aussie team we dominated last year. I’ve backed Gats mostly from how he brought us into the 2010s but am wavering. Is it really Gats that’s the problem? I just think our players are not as good as those who came through in the 2010s. Wales have been bad before so will continue to back the boys. We will come good again.
Sacking Gats won’t fix everything I agree but his position is no longer tenable in my view. He’s lost the players and they have lost belief. There getting worse not better
I was pretty gutted following the game today, I feel rugby in Wales probably might not recover. I'm not happy about it but it's not got the draw that it once had
I fully believe Gatland is still the man for the job. I think it’s just where we are at the minute with the players. I fully believe there is enough talent in this team and there is no lack of effort, heart and desire from every player out there. However we seriously lack experience and the knowledge to win games. Cam Winnet, the first choice fullback for this campaign has 27 games of professional rugby, he has only won 6 of those games. However, I see enough from him to think he could develop into a top level international players same as every other player in the starting 15. It’s just going to take time because Gatland has to essentially coach a winning mentality into these players in international games when they should have learned this in the pathway to the international arena. The issues is that it’s so competitive now. Also, Sacking Gatland is the wrong option because there’s no on to replace him and that would Just be used as an excuse for the poor management by the WRU. I don’t agree with everything Gatland has done this year but he’s still the man for the job
yeah, that was a weird interview. he looked like he had one foot on the flight back to nz already. i dont think ive ever seen him smile like that, after such a heavy loss. looks like hes made up his mind. ill be surprised if hes still there next year.
Im not Welsh, but i don't fully get the Gatland out notions. To be brutally honest, when you look at the players, almost none of them would make any other top teams squad, let alone matchday team. Wales' greatest trait previously was playing beyond the sum of their parts, but the parts are so low quality right now it's unbelievable
Yeah I take your point completely. There are some good players in there. I genuinely think if some of these players were in other systems they would flourish but at the moment nothing is working and everyone looks amateur 😬
Just don't know where to go from here. A new coach coming and freshening things up will help, but we haven't got the talent at the moment to make big improvements. We haven't got many x-factor players, especially compared to other nations. We haven't got many players coming through who look like they've really got a high ceiling (Page, Hennessey, Morse, Fender. Maybe Dan Edwards). We aren't competing well at regional level and aren't developing the regional talent to feed the national team. The regional teams are underperforming because of lack of money. The lack of money is because the WRU can't afford to give them anywhere near as much as other clubs in the URC for various reasons. It all just seems to link back to a lack of money in the Welsh game, but that is never going to change to the extent we need it to. Countries like England and Ireland have always been able to rely on private schools generating a lot of their younger talent, whereas we've always relied on it just being our 'national sport' and playing from a young age because thats what you were brought up with, but thats definitely not the case anymore. This is the first time I've ever just felt fully deflated and done with it all and just accepting that this is where we are now and nothing can be done to turn it around. I'm going to the SA game, but really just don't want to anymore at the moment.
Ahh Mike. I hate reading this comment. I can feel how dejected you are just by the way you’ve written this. You basically spot on with everything you said I don’t see where the improvement can come anytime soon anyway Your point about the school is a good one. I don’t think we do enough to encourage school rugby over here. Look at places like New Zealand and South Africa how important schoolboy rugby is over there and it shows all the way at the top.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast we really don't. The schools systems are far better elsewhere, and that really speaks volumes at the u18 and u20 levels. We also just have too many clubs. We have clubs in as good as every single town and village, which may be only a mile or two apart and we just don't have enough members to be able to play regular fixtures and are cancelling games every week in the season, and players aren't getting game time. And for younger players this is really detrimental, at an age when they just need to play, and it's probably sending them to other sports like football. And I can't blame them. There's a 5G pitch near me in Cardiff that has youth football every weekend and there are HUNDREDS of kids (boys and girls) there every weekend playing all weekend long. I doubt it's the same for rugby in that age group. It doesn't feel like we're at rock bottom yet. But I feel like the trap door has opened now, and we are starting our rapid fall to rock bottom!
next week I think it will get worse. I predict wales 10 south africa 60. Who in their right mind will waste their money by going next week. Tickets, food, drink and a hammering.
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast you must go!!! It's my Beloved Springboks playing and I'm sure many Saffas like myself support you on here!! Also fire Gatland like I've commented on a previous video like 5 months ago. Hire Johan van Graan a saffa from Bath or the other Saffa coach Franco Smith from Glasgow warriors. Much respect and good luck for next week for both our sides💪💪💪
Changing the head coach isn`t going to resolve our problems, as they run far deeper, but that`s not a good enough reasons for him not to go. I was always reluctant to bring Gatland back simply because the game has evolved so much since he and Wales were in their pomp. Jonathan Fox Davies said the other day, back when we were wining test matches in the first Gatland era, they always struggled to break teams down so they relied on defence, physicality and fitness. That just isn`t enough these days, teams are too smart in attack and are as fit if not fitter than us. Like I said, I`m under no illusion that changing the head coach is the silver bullet but the WRU have to start somewhere.
Yeah so spot on. We need something a bit more fresh. If we were getting better you could make an argument for Gats but were clearly getting worse 🤷🏻♂️
Players looked out on their feet, spent and void of any confidence even when Australia were down to 14 men. Didnt look like a team who was playing for the coach. I fully get the bigger picture but i cant believe theres still an element for welsh fans who think Gatland is the right man and will turn this around. Really dont know where we go from here. Got to agree with some of the ex players comments that our current crop coming through just aint good enough.
Some of these players will never be good enough for this level, but those who are ain't performing either. Pure effort is lacking from vast majority of these players. Zero leadership either.
Great analysis, i am uncertain about Gatland, feel like a new coach would reset an already reset rebuild. But pulling off the band-aid and do it. but i think the behind the scenes people the WRU board etc needs to be cleaned up. Get a group in there with integrity vision etc.
Yeah, couldn’t agree more and I think they’re analyse the issue this year. We had a complete reset of the board and the structure of the WRU and unfortunately we’re getting the exact same issues we had before🤷🏻♂️
That was a hard but necessary watch yesterday afternoon. I agree problems run much deeper than Gatland alone but some of the team management of the past 12 months have been so below par. Whipping up a storm by giving the captaincy to Jake ball in the summer - for him to retire a few months later. 6-2 split going completely tits up leaving a young already low on confidence Sam Costello out of position against Fiji of all teams. (Not to mention sending on the wrong player). The whole narrative for the past 12 - 18 months has been about building and gaining experience, which is totally understandable. But how as an experienced coaching ticket can you expect players to perform when the people giving them direction can’t get even the simplest of things correct.
Yeah, I think it’s a very good point. he’s been around the block long enough and vastly experienced but he seem to have made a lot of rookie mistakes over the last year or so You also hung out a couple of plays to dry in the press handmade unnecessary digs at the regions and their coaches
The losing streak could have easily been avoided by selecting more appropriate opposition for this autumn series. We would have been better off playing Georgia, Italy, Fiji and England. Both Georgia and Italy would have given us a good shoeing up front (i.e. a proper test) but there may have been a chance for us to win those games with our backs who, whilst not being world class, are capable of some half decent play. If they could have won those opening games, maybe they could have beaten Fiji, and then maybe England. I know there are a lot of maybe's there, but one thing is 100% certain - we were never going to beat Australia, nor South Africa. It would have made more sense to play Fiji last, at least then we would only have a 90% chance of losing!
On 28 June 2019, it was announced Gatland would return home to Hamilton to coach the Chiefs on a four-year deal which would include a sabbatical in 2021 to coach the British & Irish Lions. His first season in charge was a disaster, with his side losing all eight games in the Super Rugby Aotearoa competition. This led to him being voted as the worst coach in the competition.[39] In December 2022, Gatland left his role at the Chiefs and returned to coach the Welsh national team.
I think the 25 cap rule has to go. Jonah Holmes moved to the Dragons to make sure he could play for Wales, didn’t get picked and regressed. Tompkins went to the Dragons on loan and regressed. Johnny Williams left the Premiership for Scarlets and doesn’t get picked, even though his form this season is decent. Ioan Lloyd came back to Wales (Scarlets) and doesn’t get picked, even though his club mate who, has been just as poor as him does. I’m sure all these guys would have earned more staying put, would have had better coaching and it hasn’t even enhanced their Wales selection. Surely Johnny should be above Llewelyn by virtue of the fact he’s playing in Wales. The 6-2 split against Fiji, Ioan Lloyd would have been better on the bench than Sam Costelow as he can play multiple positions. I’m not saying this in hind site either. I know we don’t have great players any more but, I do believe there is a lot more to get out of the players than Gatland is getting.
Yes, hard to argue with your points Ol. You can’t help but think that the better budget over in England and France surely have to contribute to better training and facilities. Whilst I think getting rid of the 25 cap rule might help in the near term I’m not sure it’s the silver bullet to fix our issues because you’re going to see an even bigger exodus out of the regions than we already have
I'm a big Gats fan, he's had a lot of sucess with Wales and ideally don't want him to be sacked. He's turned them from just another international rugby team into one of the best teams in the world. But this losing streak is suggesting maybe he should be sacked. I mean, teams like New Zealand or South Africa wouldn't put up with their coach losing 11 games in a row.
Welsh rugby has suffered a steady decline since it lost the sponsorship of local industries. Welsh Brewers, Watney's and Felin Foel and the like have given way to IPA and continental pilsners. Gone are the days when local manufacturers could supply not only the players but the supporters with affordable bitters at their local rugby clubs. Today there's so little incentive to attend matches or even to support our local teams when a couple of slabs in front of S4C is all the game can offer.
Hey man, sorry about the loss, but it was always coming. I was hoping you could do a more in depth video at the end of the series and maybe talk about some of the underlying issues that are been swept under the rug. -Dan Biggar talks about Gats throwing the team under the bus in his new book, and siding with the club over some players not been paid, is this still relevant? Is it why so many players who should be in there prime, no longer want to play for Wales, and why the current team may lack confidence? -The corruption behind closed doors and the fact nobody wants to sponsor them due to the constant allegations coming out the club -Why is Gatland so vital? Have they overpaid him? He doesnt seem to under any pressure, when you compare it to Steve Borthwick for instance. Are the WFU even bothered as long as there are bums on seats. Would love your opinion, as nobody in the press is really discussing and I think they are big issues
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast i would *hate* to see rassie leave (and i think he said he wouldnt coach another countrys national team anyway), but if he did and if he decided to go to wales...i'd be a little less upset. i hope wales can pull out of this death spiral soon.
Gats got my backing more than ever. We are breaking in a v v young team. 6N will be our real test. People forget the time when we could NEVER beat a southern hem team. How much we've forgotten eh. Go for it Gats, I'll be forever grateful (and, by the way, most people I speak to feel the same - don't get sucked into the media bubble/ youtuber opinions).
That’s a fair assessment, but to be honest, I don’t really. These players aren’t that young really. Granted, they do lack experience when it comes to number of caps but you can’t tell me but this team is improving because that displays on the pitch are actually going backwards
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Haha, don't worry, your entitled to disagree! I get the 'feeling'! Yes, feels like going backwards at the mo. I think OZ have really upped the game, so quite a contrast (especially compared to Fiji). And SA will be another step up (so another beating, IMO). I'm on the defensive with Gats at the mo, because this is looking like a very sticky situation hah! Also - I trust NOBODY else to get us playing well again, and I place that blame at WRU door.
the solution is simple as there is not enough money in the Welsh game Split wales into 2 regional - East and west East wales - play one game in Newport , one game Cardiff , one game Wrexham , one in the middle - Shrewsbury I know is England but has a stadium of a good size. West wales. Plays Swansea Llanelli Aberystwyth and Bangor (or colwyn bay). More likely to get bigger crowds Teams will be better but key point Join the English premiership Games against bath , Bristol , Gloucester , sale.., will be Derby’s. A lot cheaper than flying to j’berg!
I don’t see how cutting down the two teams will help that much. Yes, it will give us more money, but it’s severely shrinks the player pool and player opportunities. Scotland only have two teams and while those teams are fairly successful the national side hasn’t won anything in forever and they filled with foreign players
Codi cywilydd i ni ! Roedd Tom Rogers yr un seren Cymreig. Byddwn ni'n ennill neu golli, bydda i'n cefnogi ein tim. 🏴 Gobeithio ti'n a dy Gwraig yn iawn.
After the South Africa game Warren Garland will probably leave but even if he does I still don't know where we go from here. Shaun Edwards as head coach could be good but even a magician like him would struggle with the quality of players we have at the moment. It's going to be a very long time till we get back to the top 10 in the world unfortunately.
Yeah, I agree and it’s hard to see way back at the moment but I feel the only way to make a first step is get someone in with some new ideas who might be able to improve the situation and at least get us some direction of travel
@TheWelshSportsPodcast Yea getting a fresh new head with new ideas definitely needed. I think all the coaches need to go as well. Just a full reset . Might be a weird opinion but I think Toby Booth would be a great person for the job. Even just to rebuild the confidence in the side. Look what he's done with the ospreys where they were when he came into where they are now .
We all can all blame the wru for the mess we are in, but with 3 million people in wales the gene pool of athletic 6ft fast players with slick hands is just not there, we have the best team we can put out at the moment, i just hope it doesnt get to embarrassing.
Agreed, we don’t have many big players and this is the best we can feel at the moment. Having said that I think a large portion of the blame lies at the WRU feet just pure mismanagement of developing academies, school systems and grassroots
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I think especially with some players such as winnet, griffin , bevan and plumtree never having a test win I think it would only do good
I get the cries for Gatland and Walker to step down, I really do but what then? Will it uncover world class talent? Will it restructure the grassroots game? Inject more funds? I can't see a way out of this without wholesale structural changes to the regional set up.
Looks like gats is trying to blood as many youngsters as he can in this autumn series,so playing against lesser ranked opponents would be benificial to get winning and confidence back,oh but that wouldn’t be financially appropriate would it WRU,money before rugby again shame on you,thanks to the boys who tried so hard so far,we are all with you,cymru am byth 🏴
Yeah I agree mate. What they failed to plan for though was the losses leading to a less than full stadium and everyone leaving with 20 mins to go. Shocking
Gats has lost the dressing room, the players are just not good enough. instead of playing one decent half of rugby , we are now playing in small patches which is beyond useless. the wru has been sleep walking into this since the senior players retired. wasted too many opportunity's to test younger players. the defence was generally woeful. frankly its embarrassing how bad this team is. cant see any progression . Gatland talks about creating competition , but there is so little to be happy about. my final word is this the WRU needs a big shake up , too many ppl more interested in the lions shining their behinds on past glorys whilst completely asleep at the wheel. its like having ppl who cant stand the welsh in charge , its hard to keep the interest in a team that is clueless , its embarrassing what a shit show it is.
welsh rugby needs to look at itself, there,s 21 people on the welsh rugby union board i think.. do you really need 21 people, they take millions in revenue, from concerts shows and games and where does it go... ?? they need to put it into the grassroots of rugby schools collages and universities, or we wont be in the six nations before long.
Dean, I couldn’t agree with you more and you ask the most spot-on fundamental question. Where does all this money go? How is it that the stadium is in use and filled out basically every weekend and big concerts on weekdays but the board has no money I’d love to hear an explanation from one of the top dogs
No!!! My Springboks are playing next week and we won't suffer the disrespect of an empty stadium! Do the boycott during the 6 nations games!!! (BTW since I think you should fire Garland I would as a rugby lover I would support you in that boycott)
@@pmarkc3743 I’m not talking about so soon as the Springboks game. The 6 nations could work as the boycott would need to be circulated on social media to put the word out..
Apathy is right . Always been a huge wales fan. Now I’m just indifferent to watching them. The awlful product on the pitch. The usual sound bites from Gatland. Anyone who now purchases tickets to watch wales get smashed to bits against the boks must be mental . Like you say we can’t afford to sack him so they say but we can’t afford to keep him. People turning away from the game, poor ticket sales . Not saying a new coach would solve things thought with this squad . What a mess
Yeah, I agree completely mate. it’s an absolute slap in the face to the fans to expect them to pay what they are and then that’s the product on the pitch
Summed it up really well again, effort from the players is there but we still have no clear identity, attack is our biggest tactical problem you end up with players looking drained from defending constantly and not having any go forward, from a S&C point of view you can't question work rate or stamina but speed and power is what creates opportunities and is lacking. we have the players in wales to do better which is why you have to question selection but unless you look at everything from the board down then this could be the decline of welsh rugby, as you said lower interest in the sport leads to less kids playing and shrinking pool of players to choose from and less income to reinvest. Theres real quality in wales with the likes of lake, morgan but we need more pace and size in selection.
Yeah well said mate it does start at the top and things don’t get sorted soon and the trickle down effect doesn’t start to kick in. It’s going to be long bare spell with dwindling success and dwindling participation
Gatland must take some blame he Insists on playing players in the wrong positions and picking hookers who can't throw in the lineout and flyhalfs who give interception s.
the Welsh play a great brand of rugby ... I hope you get back to your winning ways (like the Wallabies historically except you've kicked our butts for the past decade)
Like I said last week Men against boys .Not big enough ,strong enough or fit enough .Yes blame the coaches because let’s be fair Gatland scraped the barrel picking them ! Sadly the whole game in Wales needs to be looked at from the bottom up .Italy just beat Georgia .If we played Portugal next week we would struggle .People going on about players left out of the squad .Do you really think Morgan Morris et al would make any difference.Not a chance .We are second class now and it’s so sad to see .
He hasn't scrapped the barrel as we do have the players! He's completely out of his depth these days and it shows. The Chiefs down in New Zealand are stacked with world class talent yet they had their worst ever losing streak when Gatland returned!
I agree there’s nobody else he can really bring in and I got think Morris would change this team but he has to take the brunt of the blame. He’s preparing the team and the look worse every game 🤷🏻♂️
Face facts for god’s sake! Scrapped the barrel with his choice of coaches not players read properly .We haven’t got the players full stop .Our regions are struggling have been for years .
@@pauledwards7340 Well you need to word your sentences better as that's easy to misinterpret 😂Just going to have to disagree with you there. Our Regions have been struggling because of the horrible incompetence of the WRU, not because of the lack of quality coming through.
Where the f**k are we now? 2 good tries ( said he, trying to sound positive) when we got our act together in attack, but that 2nd half was depressingly familiar. Aussies just cruising in 3rd gear, getting gain line and quick ruck ball at will, whereas we were running from deep and not making any impact. Such shoddy defence. WRU partly responsible as you say, Gats will be on a plane home soon, Dewi is a fighter but is he motivational for the team? Maybe you know more … Anscombe isn’t the force he used to be. We need another Shaun Edwards … SA could out a 2nd team out, completely new 23, we’d still lose. 3 more points from Georgia today and we’d be 12th in the rankings
Yeah, it’s bad, isn’t it? as you say very few positives and Australia didn’t ever really look like they were putting us to the sword the opportunities just came to them. Not sure what next week gonna hold, but I would imagine it’s a fair bit more pain Your spot on about Anscombe though. I was looking forward to him coming back into the team as I thought he would lift everyone but he seems a shadow of himself and kind of looks like he doesn’t wanna be there at the moment
I think for all of us it was a very sobering result, i never saw that scorline coming and it was a sad day for Wales, the team on paper should have at the very least give them a fight, but as with Fiji we were bullied, mentally we are not switched on and lack energy and when things go wrong we just fold as a team, we are 11th in the rankings beneath us are Georgia Samoa and Japan I Wouldn't bet against Wales losing all three against those teams and yet we should on paper, so it has to be a collective mineset that grips the whole team, one that says we can't win, there is no life to Wales only in spells, and if Gatland was to go then christ almighty we need a defence coach because it was non excistant on Sunday, the worst aspect of it all is there seems to be no way out of this mess, and it will take years for it to come right, the game a across the board is dying, and we have to except that right now we are a second teir team.
Very depressing, but very true Clive. we’re slipping further and further down the pecking order and there’s no signs of change or in fact any ideas of where to go now
A hugely disappointing performance . Very few players scored more than 7 out of 10. Tom Rogers was immense and to me looks a far better option at full back than Winnett. If he is our last line of defence we are in serious trouble. James Botham was excellent and proper number 6. The line out was a lottery once Lake went off
What in there right mind put Wales against these Top teams when we all know that we are struggling.Should have be playing teams around us in the World rankings..At least we would have a fighting chance to compete.Oh well and good filling up the stadium but this is so self destructive.This is not about the team,its about everything else.
Short sighted as always Barry. They’ll have a shock when they can’t fill the stadium for the coming games because that’s the current direction of travel
20 minutes in, three tries down. Those three tries all come within a ten minute window. Devoid of ideas when with the ball, wainwrights try is actually bad defending from aussie more than good play by us (they overcommit men to thomas and leave that big gap). Do well then for parts but you think its all soften blows for whats to come. Second half, maul try. 3 minutes later second maul try. 8 minutes later, intercepted pass (which i would say is the 2nd big mistake as bothams mishandling was basically interception) Elias comes on and every lineout crumbled. 40+ caps elias and you see why hes been a fringe player for years. The winnett one on one i'll ignore, harsh to say deer in headlights. Final try its three missed tackles and its the final nail in coffin. 2 spells, first and second half both about 10 minutes each were you'd say aussie turned it up and wales could not life with it. Personally i think wales have potential and there's talent to nuture to get a solid 15, lack of depth there after. Needs some fresh blood and a new coah ultimately.
Yeah, I’m very fair assessment and I agree with you wholeheartedly. There is some talent in there, but I also think there’s some sub par players too. And when you mix it in with a coaching team that doesn’t seem like they’re progressing the players were on a high road to nothing.
Gatland and all the coaches have to go, some of the players should be ashamed of themselves and the WRU needs a complete overhaul. Who would you out of interest have has coach if anyone was available and who would you pick in the Welsh team if everyone is fit and in form? Always like to see other opinions.
I hear that Rassie guy is a pretty good coach? 😂 I’m not too sure to be honest. I have no clue who’s out there or who would be wanting this job at the moment. as for picking the players the concerning thing is I don’t really think there’s anyone who you could honestly hold your hand up and say if he was picked, then we could’ve won this game if you get me. The only players really would be if Josh Adams or Toby were fully fit. But even then don’t think that would be enough
@ 😂 just watched Squidge rugby and he wants Toby Booth. It’s an interesting video if you’ve not seen it. I think Jarrod Evans has to come back there’s a clause in his contract that allows him to play for Wales. Hopefully Theo Cobango and Regan Grace can get back to full fitness two quality wingers..
I am not embarrassed by this result, that takes away the win from Australia, Welsh rugby is in a dire place. Whatever the problems are with Welsh rugby, the team itself are just not good enough, the stars have retired, this new generation are somewhat lightweight. Can they get better of course they can, but at this time they are failing....what happens next? Who knows.
Through the 2010s we had a more than decent pack, a little small possibly, but they were big enough to bridge the gap with work rate, we dont even have an 8 lit alone replacments and competition for places. as for the backs, its impossible to assess them when we dont have a pack. We just are not at the level of where we were 15 yrs ago. grass roots is non existent, regions are shit, but that never mattererd, we won grand slams in spite of them been shit. but the cupboard is totally bare. keep gatland, get rid of him, it will make no difference as the players are just not around to build a top tier team out of
Yeah, I think it’s a totally fair point. My only thing when it comes to Gatland is he looks defeated, devoid of ideas and I’m not sure if the dressing room believes in him anymore
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast im inclined to agree with you, but who would you replace him with. Ill handle defence, you do attack, and im sure we can find someone to do head coach. My point been unless its a big ish name, why would the players believe in the new appointment. Think back to 2009, the public demands to get Warburton playing international. Everyone could see that he was not only ready, but brilliant. I cant recall any demand for the vast majority of these present players to represent Wales. How many of this squad would make it into the welsh team between 2009 and 2019, lake and jack morgan maybe, but both, especially morgan are up against serious opposition. we look like boys out their, where is the muscle mass on these players, where is the power to come from. a good big one will alyays beat a good little one, is kolbe I know, but he is an exception, and winnet isnt Kolbe and the centers inside him arnt exactly small
And I thought England were a bad team Sorry but why on earth is Warren Garland still the coach after 11 defeats. Surely it would be better to look for another rugby coach ands start from scratch
All you spoke about was how bad Wales were - disregarding how decent the Wallabies were and have built on this Spring Tour . If you listen to the post match stuff from Warburton and Bigger , this is literally the best you’re going to get in the next 12-24 months , same as Scotland , the playing depth is literally not there . One thing is for sure , Wallabies were levels above and outplayed Wales in every area . Somehow you have forgotten that in this clip
Wales unfortunately wherea DISASTER apart from 20 mins Wales didn't look like they knew what to do or what they where doing Fairly obvisous now that the regions ARE NOT PRODUCING INTERNATIONAL CLASS PLAYERS let alone world class in any numbers.Iam afraid that the WRU will have no option but to scrap two regions and concentrate the welsh talent and the money on getting renowned coches Like D.Rennie for example Against Fiji Wales showed some fight today they just CAPITULATED and lost the breakdown bigtime and made very few dominant tackles Even worse Wales lost against 14 men SORRY Christian Wales just took a huge step backwards from last week Wales are going to be hammered next week i cannot see any other outcome As for W.Gatland Who would replace him?? NO ONE WANTS THE WELSH COACHES JOB
I am not going to argue with your opinions David, but here in Wales we believe that changing coaches, regional structures, going away from clubs, are the answer, the WRU always remains the same !. I along with many others, thought David Moffets idea of a regional game, instead of the more evolution based plan put forward by the late Sir Tasker Watkins report was unneeded revolution. My concern is so you go down to 2 regions, what then if they are still not competitive ?, 1 super club ?, you may think thats being silly , but with the WRU !.
The quality of player is not coming through im afraid.the backs looked small and slow at this level.no world class potential in that team.some good players thats it.best we can hope for is to train the guts out of them.and be the fittest TEAM.tshinza assirati no ball carries head down joining rucks falling taking themselves out of the game.just there for set peice.thats not good enough at international level im afraid.gatlands picked the best he can out of talent available.and no coach gonna make a diffrence.if the tools are not there.
Diffrent training approaches.only the best players get through in the top tier nations.2nd is first loser approach mentality.we haven got that development in grass roots level.ive been invollved in it and seen it.we have to make do.with whats available.
@@davejones1372 All the players and not just the very best ones are developed and mentored far better than in Wales. I agree the development in our grass level is just nowhere near good enough. We have more than enough talent available but the people who responsible for getting the best out of that talent are absolutely useless
How can a barbarins team with two weeks training and a coach for two weeks.go out and compete and on occasion beat the top teams.with no real preparation.ill tell you why.ITS the quality of player in that team.not the coach not nothing else.if you got qyality 1 to 15 in every department.you can compete with anyone.all this shite the coach this the coach that.
And they all speak diffrent languages aswell mind.🤣how can a lions team go beat australia.with little prep.it all comes down to quality of player 1to 15.isnt it obvious.
There is so much evidence throughout sport that a coach makes a big difference. You seem to be an interpreting the sentiment as ‘the only difference’. The clearest example is the Wallabies with Jones vs Schmidt
That is sad. And that is the problem that the WRU have made for themselves now Hopefully you can stick around because it can’t stay like this forever 😂
Welsh rugby fan head. On omg terrible performance.but when look back in time all bad teams grow stronger the players of that game will know how bad they was and will be humble about it but I'm sure they will improve they need time we will lose more we went almost a decade of bad results in the 80 so buckle up get used to it for a couple of years but we will get better stop the comb and gloom a new coach will.do nothing the player need time improve full stop
Costello, Ellis awful but some great performances , it’s gonna be a long road to 🏴 putting together two or three wins , shameful it’s our nations game 🙁🙏🏻🏴🙏🏻
Wales is a dying nation. Look at its leadership. Its goal is to eliminate the Welsh people, their culture and identity, and replace them with outsiders. At the same time, everybody must be forced to learn Welsh. How does that make any sense? How can Wales thrive in anything under such circumstances. In Wales, rugby is a feel good thing. Nobody feels good today. I know so many people who have left for good. Mainly men, who saw no future for themselves there, and quickly realized the second class status they were being offered. Sadly, I can offer no solution, well, nothing that would work. Such sadness.
Utterly nuts. So, let me get this straight Einstein. The government of Wales wants to eliminate the Welsh people, and they’re also forcing everyone to learn Welsh. You got all this from a game?
Am Scottish and I hope Wales get back to where they were they are In hard place at the moment hopefully things get better
Cheers mate. Appriciate the positivity. It’s much needed 👍🏼
Scotland have been playing good and have been enjoy your games well done and as a Welshman I always follow Scotland and Ireland
What do board members such as Abi Tierney or Nigel Walker actually have to offer Welsh rugby other than tick the diversity box?
The appointment of Walker as the head of performance was a DEI disaster, and now he's still there in senior management.
It's not just the men's team either, the women are terrible also.
People say we don’t have the players, but it’s taken 22 games for Gatland to pick Rogers as a first choice winger. It might be that Morgan Morris, or Kieran Williams, or Eddie James (as a starter), or Dan Edwards, or any number of others might make a big difference.
Who? You all still don't have the players
You? I’m English. Well, as an example, I work with 3 Aussies, and they were all saying - last year - that Australia just didn’t have the players. One, probably the most passionate of the bunch, said Eddie Jones should stay because it wasn’t a coaching problem, it was a player problem.
I’m slightly biased because I mainly watch the English Prem, but if I was in charge of Wales I would want to look at (perhaps just to nurture):
Joe Hawkins
Dan Edwards
Freddie Thomas
Jarrod Evans
Dan Jon
James Fender
Morgan Morris
Morgan-Williams
Ioan Lloyd
Callum Sheedy
Henry Thomas
Lewis-Hughes
Parry
Only a few need to work out to make a difference.
Unfortunately, I don’t think any of them could come in and make a substantial enough difference to improve this team at the moment. Some young promising players in that list but untested like the other players in this squad
@@TheWelshSportsPodcasttrue. But Tom Rogers might have been on that list last week.
People keep saying we don't have the players coming through, yet 2.75% of our male population play rugby in Wales. Australia have 6-7x times our population yet they have a mere 0.66% of males playing rugby out of their entire male population! And Scotland is even lower at 0.55% with only 2 proffesional clubs! So with that nonsense debunked, what other BS excuse will people come up with now?
"Our players aren't big/physical enough to compete"
That last 20 minutes in the 1st half more than shows enough evidence that we can match the physicality of the other top teams. We constantly made good carries and consistently broke the gain line while dominating them in defence in that period too. It's the horrific level of game management, awful standard of critical thinking in key moments of the game and lacking any sort of variety in attack that lets us down every time as we always end up giving Australia an easy free pass to gain possession and territory to score easy points. 40 of the 52 points Australia scored, they didn't have to work for it! As we either gifted them a free run in from an interception or we give away a super cheap penalty and they maul it in easily. It's not rocket science to see why they had so much energy towards the end of the game when we did all of their hard work for them! Then we were knackering ourselves out trying to chase the game like headless chickens! Any person who watched this match that has coaching experience will agree with that statement and know just how awful Wales were, compared to the standard arm chair fans that keep blurting out the same old excuses. I have seen pub teams coached way better than what I've seen today and it's humiliating to say that!
I hate having to keep bashing Gatland, but at the moment him and his pack of numpties are the major problem! Schmidt has only been in Australia for a mere 4 months and they are looking massively improved already and it's not like their union is in the healthiest of states either! Gatland has been back in Wales for 2 years and we somehow keep getting worse! Just goes to show what a monumental difference is between an innovative coach and a coach that is 20 years behind the modern game. It's no coincidence that the Chiefs (New Zealand rugby team) had also went on their worst ever losing streak while Gatland was in charge!? Do people really need any more evidence provided to see what the main problem for Wales is at the moment?? He would have been sacked months ago this was any other nation.
We need to stop being sentimental and the board in the WRU need to pull their heads out of their asses and start making the harsh decisions. The game will not sustain itself and survive for much longer if we continue to get worse
Excellent well thought out comment as always. Everything you said is so true and spot on. Can you pop down to the next WRU meeting and just set them all straight please? 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼😂
@@xxwales15xx33 the quality ofvworld class player is not there simple as.you cant train a staffordshire bull terrier to be a lurcher.its about genetics individuals mate.the pool of quality is not there to pick from. Can you compare one back on the currentvwelsh team.to george north jamie roberts alex cuthbert leigh halfpenny.scott gibs howley gareth thomas.i could go on through the ages.and the anwser is no.in any world class imternational team through 5he ages.theres at least 5 world class players.so it does come diwn to individuals within a team.name any team from any part of the world from 1970s on.and you can pick the stars in that team.them players that change a game in the 75th minute etc.we got good players.but not physically world class in every discipline of the game players.
@@xxwales15xx33 and prime example.the barvarians.they can go out and compete and beat top teams.with two weeks of training under a coach they just met.and why you ask.because on occasion the team is stuffed with world class players.and that is why and that is the only reason.
@@davejones1372 Disagree with you about not having the players when we clearly do and I disagree with your analogy even more.
Do some research mate and perhaps you'd find some actual perspective. We have an unbelievably young and inexperienced team, that doesn't mean they're not good enough. As did you know the team Australia fielded yesterday had more caps than any other tier 1 team in the world? They have 2x the amount of international caps than we do overall. Also their entire backline has 4x the amount of caps as our backline currently have. If that doesn't speak volumes to you then I don't know what will 🤣
Gatland has done an awful job of integrating these young players as he's chucked them in all at once while booting out our veterans who have insane amounts of test level experience. The young lads we got now have nobody of any real test match experience to look up to and learn off within the team and shows with the amount of rookie decisions and errors they make.
It's common knowledge within team sports that you always need the perfect mixture of experience and youth to be the best in any game. You cant rely on a team full of teens nor can you rely on a team full of players who are way past their best. Australia have a far greater blend of youth and experience compared to us and add the fact that they got a far more modern and innovative coach than us, this type of spanking was always gonna be on the cards.
@@davejones1372 Barbarians is another bad example.
1. They're a team filled with the players who are already the best on the planet
2. Even then they don't win that often and get beat by development teams from those countries.
3. They couldn't even beat a Fiji team that had their best players out and that similar team got hammered by Scotland
I have never seen Welsh supporters leaving the stadium 15 mins before the end as they did today.
No, me either and the stadium was only at 56,000 which is way below capacity
Agree with all your comments. When Gatland first took over Wales he picked the Ospreys and 2 players outside of that team. The Ospreys were doing well with a solid scrum. But more importantly they had a squad of players with a balance of experienced players and new talent. Today due to the funding cuts they have a depleted squad and are picking players who perhaps need more time to develop. Wales have been forced to pick from those teams in the main. The comment of them looking like boys compared to Australia is spot on. Individually they are not bad players, but where is the cohesion, where are the leaders, where is the experience? For me the game was summed up in the great 50 22 by Rhodri Williams, only for the lineout to go wrong. Then again the second time leading to all momentum being lost. The message should have been just secure the ball. I agree with the pundits, ex-players, who are critical of the performance, but they were lucky to come into settled squads. Don’t like saying this but maybe Wales should play more games with tier 2 nations to start to get wins and develop confidence and build as a team as they mature. There are still things that happen that makes no sense to me Ben Thomas restarting matches, why? Winnett receiving from the opposition kick off, again Why? I like both players but I don’t understand what each of those decisions adds to the team. Dewi Lake talking afterwards regarding his belief in the players and that they will develop into a good team. I have no doubt about that, but the trouble is that all the other nations are developing quicker and with more depth. I personally put my criticism squarly towards the WRU. There needs to be more funding within the regions so that they can build competitive squads, if they don’t these players will just be learning to loose which can become a habit.
Yes, I’m that perfectly mate, and there’s nothing else I can really add to that you’ve hit the nail on the head. It all eventually leads back to the WRU and the lack of investment and forward planning and until something changes I think it’s gonna maintain a downward spiral unfortunately.
Not getting rid of Gatland would be insane. I know there are some Trumpian types around that feel that think Gatland is the second coming, but you just have to look at his record elsewhere - or speak to a Kiwi about him. The evidence is clear for everyone to see. Just look at this extract from Wikipedia:
On 28 June 2019, it was announced Gatland would return home to Hamilton to coach the Chiefs on a four-year deal which would include a sabbatical in 2021 to coach the British & Irish Lions. His first season in charge was a disaster, with his side losing all eight games in the Super Rugby Aotearoa competition. This led to him being voted as the worst coach in the competition.[39] In December 2022, Gatland left his role at the Chiefs and returned to coach the Welsh national team.
In my mind, there are some unforgivable moments in this tenure:
1. Not speaking to Mani FW
2. Re-employing Howley
3. Naming Cory Hill captain
4. Sticking to Beard (who I rate fwiw) when there are more dynamic options. Beard has scored 1 try in 190 games. It’s not the measure of a lock, I know, but it must say something. I mean, Freddie Thomas has scored 3 in 5 games this season.
It's a harder pill to swallow when Rugby is their national sport much like New Zealand so to see this demise is very sad.
cracking video as usual mate think every one is thinking the same thing at this point ik ill never stop loveing wales and welsh rugby and i think itll work it self out some how but fear were in a for a far bit of pain in the near future.
Thank you mate. my big fear is not everyone has the same feeling towards it as me and you and they might just give up watching rugby altogether
First time I’ve watched your channel. It’s so sad seeing this and I do feel sorry for you. What’s really tragic (figure of speech) is that I think there’s more behind this structurally and the WRU have a lot of blame to take here.
The game needs a strong wales just like it needs a strong Australia.
I think England (I’m English) are also in a spot to be fair. Borthwick is trrrible and should never have been appointed. But things go in cycles and the administrators do need to ensure that participation remains high and things _will_ turn around.
My frustration is with the continuing lack of focus on talent ID in non-private education in England. It’s scandalous how rugby participation has dropped to almost zero in state schools with a few pockets that are exceptions like the southwest.
Best wishes from Yorkshire.
How about a coach swap, Borthwick for Gatland 😅
@ 🤣brilliant. I hear Eddie’s at a loose end (or rather available to the highest bidder)
I think they’ve both jumped the shark, Borewick cos he’s _never_ been up to it and Gats because he should never have gone back. His legacy has a bit of a shadow now. And that’s very sad.
@mhoppy6639 thanks for watching, always good to get an outside perspective in the comments. I’m not usually this depressing I swear 😂
Another great show 👍
WRU have been the problem, not investing in the Welsh youth while wales were winning with the likes of bigger and Alun wyn jones , wales under 20s for at least ten years have been under performing and the WRU happy with wales sitting second or third from the bottom. You reap what you sow and now we are seeing those results. 😡
Do spot on Ga 👏🏼👏🏼
To be honest there are some good youth players in the squad. Daffyd Jenkins is injured but he’s got a bright future. I think Josh Hathaway is talent who needs playing. Mason Grady when’s he fit will grow to be a brilliant player and same with Dan Edwards. I think in a few years time we won’t be back to prime but we will be in a better position. We need time.
@ I hope you’re right 👍
@@garethdavies4515 so do I
Does anyone know why the WRU have not invested in grass roots rugby. Are they short of money, can’t be bothered or simply it would be too much hard work to give it a go
World Rugby needs a strong Welsh team. Its been really sad to see their decline - this coming from a Springbok supporter. Really hope Wales can start finding their form again. Hoping for a good game on Saturday.
Thank you, my friend. I really hope so too. It’s usually a fun game between us and you guys so hopefully they can pick themselves of the floor and have a competitive game next week 👍🏼
agree, but the fundamentals underpinning the whole structure have completely crumbled. It's a small nation, and the indigenous Welsh population are getting smaller and older by the day. The future doesn't look bright. I know I sound like Debbie Downer, and I so don't want to, but we're just not cutting it anymore.
I hate to single players out negatively but Ryan Elias missing line outs as consistently after 40 caps is in no way good enough. One of the primary jobs of the Hooker. Given the importance of momentum in Rugby he so consistently comes on and prevents us getting into a game. I’d rather we just pick a young up and comer and invest in them then carry on with him if he won’t address that skill issue.
I agree with you. Unfortunately the youngster behind Elias, Evan Lloyd can’t throw either. It’s fair to say we haven’t the players at the moment but it really bugs me when people say people like Belcher, Morgan Morris and Keiran Williams aren’t international level when they’ve never had a crack (I know Keiran has 1 cap). Hardly any of our squad are currently at that level but certain players have dozens of caps and other players don’t even get a chance.
@ I agree particularly with Belcher who’s been on great form in the last two seasons. I think Cardiff have missed him whilst he’s been on injury
Who the hell saw how wales were doing this year and thought "oh yeah maybe wales should play against South Africa!!!!!."
😂😂 fair point
THe problem is that the expectations of Wales and Gatland are to match the team of Wyn Jones, Faletau, Tipuric, Owens, etc. And what happens when Wales get outstanding players? Rees Zammit wasnt paid enough to play rugby, Liam Williams is in Japan, all the outstanding players have retired or buggered off because the organisation of Welsh rugby is appalling.
Yeah agreed and there hasn’t been any sort of succession plan for years. I don’t think hence why a lot of these players only have a handful of caps
Hi Christian, Gutted mate, the players were all to sorts, the basics was not there and one player did not know what the next player was doing they are not gelling well. I don't think this is down to Warren Gatlands coaching it's the players on the day. this Welsh team is not ready, we need help, I don't think Warrens coaching is bad, he is not a bad coach ,just look at our past, he is coaching the same way now as he did in 2019/18, 2015, 2013,2012,2008.I don't think it's Warren, it's the WRU, If Warren Gatland goes our national team will drop.
I will not give up on our team, it's going to be like this for a while,I don't know when but we will be back, I'm with Wales win or lose and yes i'm gutted that's rugby for you.
Always good to catch your thoughts, till next time take care
Thanks mate. Always great to hear from you and get your perspective. I do take your point on Gatland and I agree most of the blame lies with the WRU. Unless they all go all there some drastic change I think you said this is going to go on for awhile
But just like you, I’ll be watching and stick with the boys. Cheer mate
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Hi Christian, trick times at the moment for our boys, but I'll always stand by my team they represent us, win or lose. we need new mangement in the WRU and Warren to stay. catch you soon mate
With such a young team, Wales would be mad to get rid of Warren. He's an excellent coach who can nurture young talent over the next three years in readiness for the 2027 World Cup. It's a rebuilding phase. Don't make the mistake of Australia by going through three coaches in quick succession.
But the size the athletasism the speed the skill the genetics.is not there with most of these players.and that is the diffrence at this level.no world class players comingbthrough.just good players.
Please tell me you're joking 😂
Yes, it’s true, Australia are now completely rubbish 😂
He’s a great coach? Have you even followed his career? Take this part as an example (straight from Wikipedia):
On 28 June 2019, it was announced Gatland would return home to Hamilton to coach the Chiefs on a four-year deal which would include a sabbatical in 2021 to coach the British & Irish Lions. His first season in charge was a disaster, with his side losing all eight games in the Super Rugby Aotearoa competition. This led to him being voted as the worst coach in the competition.[39] In December 2022, Gatland left his role at the Chiefs and returned to coach the Welsh national team.
Rugby I believe is becoming what baseball is like in the US where some teams and organisations just have more money than others, other bigger market teams can afford the better coaches, who can afford to develop the younger players plus be able to pay the boys better
I once spoke to Wayne Pivoc about a coach gatland originally wanted on the team going forward after gatland left but the "undisclosed" coach took the job in france because they were willing to pay more than triple what the WRU were willing to do
I wonder who you’re taking about there 😂
Irony is they ended up paying through the nose for Gats to come back then anyway
We've been there, Kamp Staaldraad, losing to Italy and Japan.... 53-3 to England, 57-0 against Nzl....... 2003 world cup kicked our ass.
2 weeks ago Australian rugby was over.... So Wales can come back. But! something has to be done of course.
I think some of my friends have a short memory.
Australia have had a complete shake up, different coach, different management, different game plan.
The game has moved on so much in Gatlands time, he hasn’t. Time for Wales to move on.
@OliCM3 agreed, Wales must get started.
Time for a fresh start top to bottom I think
Chin up lads .. All the best from Welsh in Costa Rica
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Wales in a proper rut at the moment, can’t fault the effort for the lads but it’s just not working😢
Todays the day i think you can fault the effort. I dont doubt they work hard however after 50 minutes there was more than 1 welsh player on that pitch who looked absolutely spent and just wanted to be anywhere but on that pitch
It’s a tough one becomes I don’t believe they never give anything that 100% but today seamed like the belief was drained from them and they had nothing else to offer
Just unbelievable that's not far off a 70pt turn around on last years World cup match with Australia
Horrendous isn’t it 🥹
I was waiting for your video and was concerned for your mental health. Wales needs some games against Portugal, Spain, Uruguay, USA, Georgia etc to get some urgently needed wins. Some of those guys don’t know what it’s like to win. Jac Morgan is outstanding. You’ve been very generous to Warren but Gatland needs to go. He was no good coaching Waikato either and I don’t know why Wales got him back. Is it possible to throw a sickie before next weeks match??
I appreciate the concern Bruce, thankfully I’m alright😂
Yeah, I think if it’s bad next week, I might just do my video lying in the gutter outside as a sign of where we are as fans 😂
I’m getting the vibe the Gatlin might not make next week actually so going to be an interesting few days
This performance was woeful. For the second weekend in a row, we played worse against 14 men than we did against 15. To leak 3 tries when you're a man up is just not acceptable.
Don't see sacking Gatland will make any difference. The bottom line is that the players are just not good enough. If there were a dozen world players out injured maybe swapping coaches would help, but basically that's pretty close to our best 15.
Yeah, I agree. It’s pretty much your best team, but I’m pretty sure Gats has lost the dressing room at this point and short of changing the coach. There’s not really anything you can do
Is this the end of wales at international tier 1?
Feels like it atm 🥹
I blame the ref
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The blame for this latest nadir lies squarely at the feet of the WRU. This is the result of over a century of the game being asset stripped and run into the ground by self interested non rugby people. The current crop loudly trumpet their ‘big business credentials’ but they are supposed to be servants of a community based game? It’s fine reaping a fat corporate CEO salary, whilst treading water between executive appointments. In the meantime the domestic game in Wales is defunded for the sake of corporate speculation like the Park Gate Hotel. Players and regions are told they have to survive on a pittance………are the executive board told the same thing? Remarkably enough, the game is reliant on the players and fans, not the governing body. Wages and ticket prices do NOT reflect this!
The game we just saw perfectly mirrored a URC game involving a Welsh region. The Welsh team huffed and puffed, but ultimately got nowhere. As soon as the opposition got the ball, they found it all too easy to score.
The product reflects the investment.
Yeah, excellent comment Rob your comparisons are so right and as you said, it’s been overlooked too long by the WRU that the players are actually the ones who wins on the weekend.
Your point about the ticket in prices to spot on. Price in the average person out of the game, the only people who can get there is from corporate tickets and it showed today only 50,000 in the stadium and it sounded like a library in there
Feeling so deflated after that shipped 50+ points at home to an Aussie team we dominated last year. I’ve backed Gats mostly from how he brought us into the 2010s but am wavering. Is it really Gats that’s the problem? I just think our players are not as good as those who came through in the 2010s. Wales have been bad before so will continue to back the boys. We will come good again.
Sacking Gats won’t fix everything I agree but his position is no longer tenable in my view. He’s lost the players and they have lost belief. There getting worse not better
I was pretty gutted following the game today, I feel rugby in Wales probably might not recover. I'm not happy about it but it's not got the draw that it once had
Wouldn’t be so pessimistic. Wales have been rubbish before. Have faith we will come good again.
@@CJ-MUFC I take your point but, the game itself is losing people's interest
I agree. The game doesn’t have the interest like it did in years gone by. I worry that people will turn off and not come back again
I fully believe Gatland is still the man for the job. I think it’s just where we are at the minute with the players.
I fully believe there is enough talent in this team and there is no lack of effort, heart and desire from every player out there.
However we seriously lack experience and the knowledge to win games. Cam Winnet, the first choice fullback for this campaign has 27 games of professional rugby, he has only won 6 of those games. However, I see enough from him to think he could develop into a top level international players same as every other player in the starting 15.
It’s just going to take time because Gatland has to essentially coach a winning mentality into these players in international games when they should have learned this in the pathway to the international arena. The issues is that it’s so competitive now. Also, Sacking Gatland is the wrong option because there’s no on to replace him and that would Just be used as an excuse for the poor management by the WRU. I don’t agree with everything Gatland has done this year but he’s still the man for the job
Walker, Gatland and Howler need to be fired immediately. Gatland’s post match interview was telling.
yeah, that was a weird interview. he looked like he had one foot on the flight back to nz already. i dont think ive ever seen him smile like that, after such a heavy loss. looks like hes made up his mind. ill be surprised if hes still there next year.
I think he’s resigned to his fate unfortunately
I’m not going to Welsh rugby’s funeral next week. RIP Welsh rugby. Luckily, we are very good at football.
We are even worse at footie struggle against out of Mongolian 3rd team 😂
@ That’s bollocks mate and you know it lol!
@@Gilboy63 That was it Armenia beat us. Who the hell are they 😂
@@Gilboy63 There that bad I had to research them 😂
The football is actually looking a lot better since Bellamy came in. Just saying
Im not Welsh, but i don't fully get the Gatland out notions. To be brutally honest, when you look at the players, almost none of them would make any other top teams squad, let alone matchday team. Wales' greatest trait previously was playing beyond the sum of their parts, but the parts are so low quality right now it's unbelievable
Yeah I take your point completely. There are some good players in there. I genuinely think if some of these players were in other systems they would flourish but at the moment nothing is working and everyone looks amateur 😬
Just don't know where to go from here. A new coach coming and freshening things up will help, but we haven't got the talent at the moment to make big improvements. We haven't got many x-factor players, especially compared to other nations. We haven't got many players coming through who look like they've really got a high ceiling (Page, Hennessey, Morse, Fender. Maybe Dan Edwards).
We aren't competing well at regional level and aren't developing the regional talent to feed the national team. The regional teams are underperforming because of lack of money. The lack of money is because the WRU can't afford to give them anywhere near as much as other clubs in the URC for various reasons. It all just seems to link back to a lack of money in the Welsh game, but that is never going to change to the extent we need it to. Countries like England and Ireland have always been able to rely on private schools generating a lot of their younger talent, whereas we've always relied on it just being our 'national sport' and playing from a young age because thats what you were brought up with, but thats definitely not the case anymore.
This is the first time I've ever just felt fully deflated and done with it all and just accepting that this is where we are now and nothing can be done to turn it around. I'm going to the SA game, but really just don't want to anymore at the moment.
Ahh Mike. I hate reading this comment. I can feel how dejected you are just by the way you’ve written this. You basically spot on with everything you said I don’t see where the improvement can come anytime soon anyway
Your point about the school is a good one. I don’t think we do enough to encourage school rugby over here. Look at places like New Zealand and South Africa how important schoolboy rugby is over there and it shows all the way at the top.
@TheWelshSportsPodcast we really don't. The schools systems are far better elsewhere, and that really speaks volumes at the u18 and u20 levels.
We also just have too many clubs. We have clubs in as good as every single town and village, which may be only a mile or two apart and we just don't have enough members to be able to play regular fixtures and are cancelling games every week in the season, and players aren't getting game time. And for younger players this is really detrimental, at an age when they just need to play, and it's probably sending them to other sports like football. And I can't blame them.
There's a 5G pitch near me in Cardiff that has youth football every weekend and there are HUNDREDS of kids (boys and girls) there every weekend playing all weekend long. I doubt it's the same for rugby in that age group.
It doesn't feel like we're at rock bottom yet. But I feel like the trap door has opened now, and we are starting our rapid fall to rock bottom!
next week I think it will get worse. I predict wales 10 south africa 60. Who in their right mind will waste their money by going next week. Tickets, food, drink and a hammering.
Yeah my point exactly. £60 minimum per ticket too 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast you must go!!! It's my Beloved Springboks playing and I'm sure many Saffas like myself support you on here!! Also fire Gatland like I've commented on a previous video like 5 months ago. Hire Johan van Graan a saffa from Bath or the other Saffa coach Franco Smith from Glasgow warriors. Much respect and good luck for next week for both our sides💪💪💪
Changing the head coach isn`t going to resolve our problems, as they run far deeper, but that`s not a good enough reasons for him not to go. I was always reluctant to bring Gatland back simply because the game has evolved so much since he and Wales were in their pomp. Jonathan Fox Davies said the other day, back when we were wining test matches in the first Gatland era, they always struggled to break teams down so they relied on defence, physicality and fitness. That just isn`t enough these days, teams are too smart in attack and are as fit if not fitter than us. Like I said, I`m under no illusion that changing the head coach is the silver bullet but the WRU have to start somewhere.
Yeah so spot on. We need something a bit more fresh. If we were getting better you could make an argument for Gats but were clearly getting worse 🤷🏻♂️
Players looked out on their feet, spent and void of any confidence even when Australia were down to 14 men. Didnt look like a team who was playing for the coach. I fully get the bigger picture but i cant believe theres still an element for welsh fans who think Gatland is the right man and will turn this around.
Really dont know where we go from here. Got to agree with some of the ex players comments that our current crop coming through just aint good enough.
Yeah, spot on there’s nothing I can really add to that Levi mate👌🏼
Some of these players will never be good enough for this level, but those who are ain't performing either. Pure effort is lacking from vast majority of these players. Zero leadership either.
You’re right. Not many leaders out on that pitch today. None to come back in really either which is a worry
Great analysis, i am uncertain about Gatland, feel like a new coach would reset an already reset rebuild. But pulling off the band-aid and do it.
but i think the behind the scenes people the WRU board etc needs to be cleaned up. Get a group in there with integrity vision etc.
Yeah, couldn’t agree more and I think they’re analyse the issue this year. We had a complete reset of the board and the structure of the WRU and unfortunately we’re getting the exact same issues we had before🤷🏻♂️
That was a hard but necessary watch yesterday afternoon. I agree problems run much deeper than Gatland alone but some of the team management of the past 12 months have been so below par.
Whipping up a storm by giving the captaincy to Jake ball in the summer - for him to retire a few months later.
6-2 split going completely tits up leaving a young already low on confidence Sam Costello out of position against Fiji of all teams.
(Not to mention sending on the wrong player).
The whole narrative for the past 12 - 18 months has been about building and gaining experience, which is totally understandable.
But how as an experienced coaching ticket can you expect players to perform when the people giving them direction can’t get even the simplest of things correct.
Yeah, I think it’s a very good point. he’s been around the block long enough and vastly experienced but he seem to have made a lot of rookie mistakes over the last year or so
You also hung out a couple of plays to dry in the press handmade unnecessary digs at the regions and their coaches
@ FYI Christian appreciate your content mate - hopefully we’ll have something positive in the near future 👊
The losing streak could have easily been avoided by selecting more appropriate opposition for this autumn series. We would have been better off playing Georgia, Italy, Fiji and England. Both Georgia and Italy would have given us a good shoeing up front (i.e. a proper test) but there may have been a chance for us to win those games with our backs who, whilst not being world class, are capable of some half decent play. If they could have won those opening games, maybe they could have beaten Fiji, and then maybe England.
I know there are a lot of maybe's there, but one thing is 100% certain - we were never going to beat Australia, nor South Africa. It would have made more sense to play Fiji last, at least then we would only have a 90% chance of losing!
Yeah fair point Rob. They want the big names to make money in the stadium though. It’s so short sighted. Painful
Jac morgan, Tom Rodgers and Cameron winnett can hold their head up high though.
Yeah I agree
On 28 June 2019, it was announced Gatland would return home to Hamilton to coach the Chiefs on a four-year deal which would include a sabbatical in 2021 to coach the British & Irish Lions. His first season in charge was a disaster, with his side losing all eight games in the Super Rugby Aotearoa competition. This led to him being voted as the worst coach in the competition.[39] In December 2022, Gatland left his role at the Chiefs and returned to coach the Welsh national team.
This means his coaching record for the last 4.5 years, including the Lions, is:
Played 33
Won 7
Lost 25
Drawn 1
Sobering to read
I always new we would get hammered, is what it is.
Shame for the fans to feel like that though
We all blamed pivack
😂😂👀👀😬😬
I think the 25 cap rule has to go.
Jonah Holmes moved to the Dragons to make sure he could play for Wales, didn’t get picked and regressed. Tompkins went to the Dragons on loan and regressed. Johnny Williams left the Premiership for Scarlets and doesn’t get picked, even though his form this season is decent.
Ioan Lloyd came back to Wales (Scarlets) and doesn’t get picked, even though his club mate who, has been just as poor as him does.
I’m sure all these guys would have earned more staying put, would have had better coaching and it hasn’t even enhanced their Wales selection.
Surely Johnny should be above Llewelyn by virtue of the fact he’s playing in Wales.
The 6-2 split against Fiji, Ioan Lloyd would have been better on the bench than Sam Costelow as he can play multiple positions.
I’m not saying this in hind site either.
I know we don’t have great players any more but, I do believe there is a lot more to get out of the players than Gatland is getting.
Yes, hard to argue with your points Ol. You can’t help but think that the better budget over in England and France surely have to contribute to better training and facilities. Whilst I think getting rid of the 25 cap rule might help in the near term I’m not sure it’s the silver bullet to fix our issues because you’re going to see an even bigger exodus out of the regions than we already have
I think Gatland has to go. It looks like he's lost the players.
580k is an awful lot of money to be paying someone to lose as well.
It does to me too. The belief has gone completely
I'm a big Gats fan, he's had a lot of sucess with Wales and ideally don't want him to be sacked. He's turned them from just another international rugby team into one of the best teams in the world. But this losing streak is suggesting maybe he should be sacked. I mean, teams like New Zealand or South Africa wouldn't put up with their coach losing 11 games in a row.
Yes exactly. For me if we were progressing I would say keep him but if anything were regressing under he’s leadership
Welsh rugby has suffered a steady decline since it lost the sponsorship of local industries. Welsh Brewers, Watney's and Felin Foel and the like have given way to IPA and continental pilsners. Gone are the days when local manufacturers could supply not only the players but the supporters with affordable bitters at their local rugby clubs. Today there's so little incentive to attend matches or even to support our local teams when a couple of slabs in front of S4C is all the game can offer.
Yeah very well put. Not much I can add to that 👏🏼
Hey man, sorry about the loss, but it was always coming.
I was hoping you could do a more in depth video at the end of the series and maybe talk about some of the underlying issues that are been swept under the rug.
-Dan Biggar talks about Gats throwing the team under the bus in his new book, and siding with the club over some players not been paid, is this still relevant? Is it why so many players who should be in there prime, no longer want to play for Wales, and why the current team may lack confidence?
-The corruption behind closed doors and the fact nobody wants to sponsor them due to the constant allegations coming out the club
-Why is Gatland so vital? Have they overpaid him? He doesnt seem to under any pressure, when you compare it to Steve Borthwick for instance. Are the WFU even bothered as long as there are bums on seats.
Would love your opinion, as nobody in the press is really discussing and I think they are big issues
Thank you my friend. Yeah I’ll probs do a review of the autumn and probably moan a bit more 😂
man...i feel so bad for you (and the welsh fans) 😞. felt similar to this before rassie came to save the boks.
Do you fancy lending him over to us for a few years by any chance?
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast
i would *hate* to see rassie leave (and i think he said he wouldnt coach another countrys national team anyway), but if he did and if he decided to go to wales...i'd be a little less upset. i hope wales can pull out of this death spiral soon.
Wales have some really good young talent. They also have the worst possible head coach in utilising said young talent
Gats got my backing more than ever. We are breaking in a v v young team. 6N will be our real test. People forget the time when we could NEVER beat a southern hem team. How much we've forgotten eh. Go for it Gats, I'll be forever grateful (and, by the way, most people I speak to feel the same - don't get sucked into the media bubble/ youtuber opinions).
That’s a fair assessment, but to be honest, I don’t really. These players aren’t that young really. Granted, they do lack experience when it comes to number of caps but you can’t tell me but this team is improving because that displays on the pitch are actually going backwards
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Haha, don't worry, your entitled to disagree! I get the 'feeling'! Yes, feels like going backwards at the mo. I think OZ have really upped the game, so quite a contrast (especially compared to Fiji). And SA will be another step up (so another beating, IMO). I'm on the defensive with Gats at the mo, because this is looking like a very sticky situation hah! Also - I trust NOBODY else to get us playing well again, and I place that blame at WRU door.
the same issues graham henry raised are still there....the wru
Also 61,000 last week and 56,000 this week. Next week?
6 nations is going to be sun 40 if it carries on
the solution is simple as there is not enough money in the Welsh game
Split wales into 2
regional - East and west
East wales - play one game in Newport , one game Cardiff , one game Wrexham , one in the middle - Shrewsbury I know is England but has a stadium of a good size.
West wales. Plays Swansea Llanelli Aberystwyth and Bangor (or colwyn bay).
More likely to get bigger crowds
Teams will be better but key point
Join the English premiership
Games against bath , Bristol , Gloucester , sale.., will be Derby’s. A lot cheaper than flying to j’berg!
I don’t see how cutting down the two teams will help that much. Yes, it will give us more money, but it’s severely shrinks the player pool and player opportunities. Scotland only have two teams and while those teams are fairly successful the national side hasn’t won anything in forever and they filled with foreign players
Funny you should say that……… Men against Boys is exactly what I thought!
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25 losses, then I'll reevaluate it... prob won't be much change even then tbh 🤔
We're still building and we can only get better, we changed players to soon.
We’re not getting better though Colin. I just keeps getting worse
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After the South Africa game Warren Garland will probably leave but even if he does I still don't know where we go from here. Shaun Edwards as head coach could be good but even a magician like him would struggle with the quality of players we have at the moment. It's going to be a very long time till we get back to the top 10 in the world unfortunately.
Yeah, I agree and it’s hard to see way back at the moment but I feel the only way to make a first step is get someone in with some new ideas who might be able to improve the situation and at least get us some direction of travel
@TheWelshSportsPodcast Yea getting a fresh new head with new ideas definitely needed. I think all the coaches need to go as well. Just a full reset . Might be a weird opinion but I think Toby Booth would be a great person for the job. Even just to rebuild the confidence in the side. Look what he's done with the ospreys where they were when he came into where they are now .
Is Gatland doing this on purpose??
Of corse not 😂
We all can all blame the wru for the mess we are in, but with 3 million people in wales the gene pool of athletic 6ft fast players with slick hands is just not there, we have the best team we can put out at the moment, i just hope it doesnt get to embarrassing.
Agreed, we don’t have many big players and this is the best we can feel at the moment. Having said that I think a large portion of the blame lies at the WRU feet just pure mismanagement of developing academies, school systems and grassroots
The only thing wales need is a game against a smaller nation to get rid of the loosing streak but unfortunately that will be a year at shortest
I’m sure that will fix the issue Tony. I feel like this is running so much deeper
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast I think especially with some players such as winnet, griffin , bevan and plumtree never having a test win I think it would only do good
I get the cries for Gatland and Walker to step down, I really do but what then? Will it uncover world class talent? Will it restructure the grassroots game? Inject more funds? I can't see a way out of this without wholesale structural changes to the regional set up.
Hard to disagree with you mate
Looks like gats is trying to blood as many youngsters as he can in this autumn series,so playing against lesser ranked opponents would be benificial to get winning and confidence back,oh but that wouldn’t be financially appropriate would it WRU,money before rugby again shame on you,thanks to the boys who tried so hard so far,we are all with you,cymru am byth 🏴
Yeah I agree mate. What they failed to plan for though was the losses leading to a less than full stadium and everyone leaving with 20 mins to go. Shocking
Gats has lost the dressing room, the players are just not good enough. instead of playing one decent half of rugby , we are now playing in small patches which is beyond useless. the wru has been sleep walking into this since the senior players retired. wasted too many opportunity's to test younger players. the defence was generally woeful. frankly its embarrassing how bad this team is. cant see any progression . Gatland talks about creating competition , but there is so little to be happy about. my final word is this the WRU needs a big shake up , too many ppl more interested in the lions shining their behinds on past glorys whilst completely asleep at the wheel. its like having ppl who cant stand the welsh in charge , its hard to keep the interest in a team that is clueless , its embarrassing what a shit show it is.
Yeah I agree del mate. It’s really difficult to just keep watching when the displays are this back. Not sure what the answer is tbh 🤷🏻♂️
It’s a player effort issue. Jogging after kicks, shameful.
I think they’ve just given up all together. Something isn’t right in the camp
Wales have done really good young players. Wrong coach for them though
welsh rugby needs to look at itself, there,s 21 people on the welsh rugby union board i think.. do you really need 21 people, they take millions in revenue, from concerts shows and games and where does it go... ?? they need to put it into the grassroots of rugby schools collages and universities, or we wont be in the six nations before long.
Dean, I couldn’t agree with you more and you ask the most spot-on fundamental question. Where does all this money go? How is it that the stadium is in use and filled out basically every weekend and big concerts on weekdays but the board has no money I’d love to hear an explanation from one of the top dogs
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast Those luxury trips for the family don't fund themselves.
Stadium boycott.. force the WRU into making drastic changes 😡
😬😬😬
Seams like it’s already happening
No!!! My Springboks are playing next week and we won't suffer the disrespect of an empty stadium! Do the boycott during the 6 nations games!!! (BTW since I think you should fire Garland I would as a rugby lover I would support you in that boycott)
@@pmarkc3743 I’m not talking about so soon as the Springboks game. The 6 nations could work as the boycott would need to be circulated on social media to put the word out..
Apathy is right . Always been a huge wales fan. Now I’m just indifferent to watching them. The awlful product on the pitch. The usual sound bites from Gatland.
Anyone who now purchases tickets to watch wales get smashed to bits against the boks must be mental .
Like you say we can’t afford to sack him so they say but we can’t afford to keep him.
People turning away from the game, poor ticket sales . Not saying a new coach would solve things thought with this squad .
What a mess
Yeah, I agree completely mate. it’s an absolute slap in the face to the fans to expect them to pay what they are and then that’s the product on the pitch
Going to Be 12 in a row next week Wales 🏴 are playing South Africa 🇿🇦 and everyone knows they are an undisputed team 🏆🏆🏆🏆
Hard to see anything else
Then 13 against France in the 6 nations ☹️
Summed it up really well again, effort from the players is there but we still have no clear identity, attack is our biggest tactical problem you end up with players looking drained from defending constantly and not having any go forward, from a S&C point of view you can't question work rate or stamina but speed and power is what creates opportunities and is lacking. we have the players in wales to do better which is why you have to question selection but unless you look at everything from the board down then this could be the decline of welsh rugby, as you said lower interest in the sport leads to less kids playing and shrinking pool of players to choose from and less income to reinvest. Theres real quality in wales with the likes of lake, morgan but we need more pace and size in selection.
Yeah well said mate it does start at the top and things don’t get sorted soon and the trickle down effect doesn’t start to kick in. It’s going to be long bare spell with dwindling success and dwindling participation
Gatland must take some blame he Insists on playing players in the wrong positions and picking hookers who can't throw in the lineout and flyhalfs who give interception s.
Elias has always been the same. How he has so many caps is beyond me
@TheWelshSportsPodcast it's because Gatland sometimes picks his favourites and not necessarily the best players.
the Welsh play a great brand of rugby ... I hope you get back to your winning ways (like the Wallabies historically except you've kicked our butts for the past decade)
You defo got us back for the WC with this one mate 😂👏🏼
Like I said last week Men against boys .Not big enough ,strong enough or fit enough .Yes blame the coaches because let’s be fair Gatland scraped the barrel picking them ! Sadly the whole game in Wales needs to be looked at from the bottom up .Italy just beat Georgia .If we played Portugal next week we would struggle .People going on about players left out of the squad .Do you really think Morgan Morris et al would make any difference.Not a chance .We are second class now and it’s so sad to see .
He hasn't scrapped the barrel as we do have the players! He's completely out of his depth these days and it shows. The Chiefs down in New Zealand are stacked with world class talent yet they had their worst ever losing streak when Gatland returned!
I agree there’s nobody else he can really bring in and I got think Morris would change this team but he has to take the brunt of the blame. He’s preparing the team and the look worse every game 🤷🏻♂️
Face facts for god’s sake! Scrapped the barrel with his choice of coaches not players read properly .We haven’t got the players full stop .Our regions are struggling have been for years .
@@pauledwards7340 Well you need to word your sentences better as that's easy to misinterpret 😂Just going to have to disagree with you there. Our Regions have been struggling because of the horrible incompetence of the WRU, not because of the lack of quality coming through.
Where the f**k are we now? 2 good tries ( said he, trying to sound positive) when we got our act together in attack, but that 2nd half was depressingly familiar. Aussies just cruising in 3rd gear, getting gain line and quick ruck ball at will, whereas we were running from deep and not making any impact. Such shoddy defence.
WRU partly responsible as you say, Gats will be on a plane home soon, Dewi is a fighter but is he motivational for the team? Maybe you know more … Anscombe isn’t the force he used to be.
We need another Shaun Edwards …
SA could out a 2nd team out, completely new 23, we’d still lose. 3 more points from Georgia today and we’d be 12th in the rankings
Yeah, it’s bad, isn’t it? as you say very few positives and Australia didn’t ever really look like they were putting us to the sword the opportunities just came to them. Not sure what next week gonna hold, but I would imagine it’s a fair bit more pain
Your spot on about Anscombe though. I was looking forward to him coming back into the team as I thought he would lift everyone but he seems a shadow of himself and kind of looks like he doesn’t wanna be there at the moment
I think for all of us it was a very sobering result, i never saw that scorline coming and it was a sad day for Wales, the team on paper should have at the very least give them a fight, but as with Fiji we were bullied, mentally we are not switched on and lack energy and when things go wrong we just fold as a team, we are 11th in the rankings beneath us are Georgia Samoa and Japan I Wouldn't bet against Wales losing all three against those teams and yet we should on paper, so it has to be a collective mineset that grips the whole team, one that says we can't win, there is no life to Wales only in spells, and if Gatland was to go then christ almighty we need a defence coach because it was non excistant on Sunday, the worst aspect of it all is there seems to be no way out of this mess, and it will take years for it to come right, the game a across the board is dying, and we have to except that right now we are a second teir team.
Very depressing, but very true Clive. we’re slipping further and further down the pecking order and there’s no signs of change or in fact any ideas of where to go now
A hugely disappointing performance . Very few players scored more than 7 out of 10. Tom Rogers was immense and to me looks a far better option at full back than Winnett. If he is our last line of defence we are in serious trouble. James Botham was excellent and proper number 6.
The line out was a lottery once Lake went off
I think a lottery has better odds that Elias throwing in 👀😂
Sorry that was harsh
What in there right mind put Wales against these Top teams when we all know that we are struggling.Should have be playing teams around us in the World rankings..At least we would have a fighting chance to compete.Oh well and good filling up the stadium but this is so self destructive.This is not about the team,its about everything else.
Short sighted as always Barry. They’ll have a shock when they can’t fill the stadium for the coming games because that’s the current direction of travel
The fish stinks from the head Get rid of Walker and tierney that’s where the problems are coming from we will never get another coach like Gats
They’ve not covered themselves in glory so far have the. I think it’s rotten too to bottom unfortunately 😬
20 minutes in, three tries down. Those three tries all come within a ten minute window.
Devoid of ideas when with the ball, wainwrights try is actually bad defending from aussie more than good play by us (they overcommit men to thomas and leave that big gap).
Do well then for parts but you think its all soften blows for whats to come.
Second half, maul try. 3 minutes later second maul try. 8 minutes later, intercepted pass (which i would say is the 2nd big mistake as bothams mishandling was basically interception)
Elias comes on and every lineout crumbled. 40+ caps elias and you see why hes been a fringe player for years.
The winnett one on one i'll ignore, harsh to say deer in headlights.
Final try its three missed tackles and its the final nail in coffin.
2 spells, first and second half both about 10 minutes each were you'd say aussie turned it up and wales could not life with it.
Personally i think wales have potential and there's talent to nuture to get a solid 15, lack of depth there after. Needs some fresh blood and a new coah ultimately.
Yeah, I’m very fair assessment and I agree with you wholeheartedly. There is some talent in there, but I also think there’s some sub par players too. And when you mix it in with a coaching team that doesn’t seem like they’re progressing the players were on a high road to nothing.
Regional rugby is horrendous
Gatland and all the coaches have to go, some of the players should be ashamed of themselves and the WRU needs a complete overhaul. Who would you out of interest have has coach if anyone was available and who would you pick in the Welsh team if everyone is fit and in form? Always like to see other opinions.
I hear that Rassie guy is a pretty good coach? 😂
I’m not too sure to be honest. I have no clue who’s out there or who would be wanting this job at the moment. as for picking the players the concerning thing is I don’t really think there’s anyone who you could honestly hold your hand up and say if he was picked, then we could’ve won this game if you get me.
The only players really would be if Josh Adams or Toby were fully fit. But even then don’t think that would be enough
@ 😂 just watched Squidge rugby and he wants Toby Booth. It’s an interesting video if you’ve not seen it. I think Jarrod Evans has to come back there’s a clause in his contract that allows him to play for Wales. Hopefully Theo Cobango and Regan Grace can get back to full fitness two quality wingers..
I am not embarrassed by this result, that takes away the win from Australia, Welsh rugby is in a dire place. Whatever the problems are with Welsh rugby, the team itself are just not good enough, the stars have retired, this new generation are somewhat lightweight. Can they get better of course they can, but at this time they are failing....what happens next? Who knows.
No idea Barry. And you’re right, I don’t think Aus got out of 3rd gear either tbh
Through the 2010s we had a more than decent pack, a little small possibly, but they were big enough to bridge the gap with work rate, we dont even have an 8 lit alone replacments and competition for places. as for the backs, its impossible to assess them when we dont have a pack. We just are not at the level of where we were 15 yrs ago. grass roots is non existent, regions are shit, but that never mattererd, we won grand slams in spite of them been shit. but the cupboard is totally bare. keep gatland, get rid of him, it will make no difference as the players are just not around to build a top tier team out of
Yeah, I think it’s a totally fair point. My only thing when it comes to Gatland is he looks defeated, devoid of ideas and I’m not sure if the dressing room believes in him anymore
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast im inclined to agree with you, but who would you replace him with. Ill handle defence, you do attack, and im sure we can find someone to do head coach. My point been unless its a big ish name, why would the players believe in the new appointment. Think back to 2009, the public demands to get Warburton playing international. Everyone could see that he was not only ready, but brilliant. I cant recall any demand for the vast majority of these present players to represent Wales. How many of this squad would make it into the welsh team between 2009 and 2019, lake and jack morgan maybe, but both, especially morgan are up against serious opposition. we look like boys out their, where is the muscle mass on these players, where is the power to come from. a good big one will alyays beat a good little one, is kolbe I know, but he is an exception, and winnet isnt Kolbe and the centers inside him arnt exactly small
And I thought England were a bad team
Sorry but why on earth is Warren Garland still the coach after 11 defeats. Surely it would be better to look for another rugby coach ands start from scratch
I think he’s day really might be numbered
After next week it will be 12 losses in a row
Hard to see anything else, isn’t it
All you spoke about was how bad Wales were - disregarding how decent the Wallabies were and have built on this Spring Tour . If you listen to the post match stuff from Warburton and Bigger , this is literally the best you’re going to get in the next 12-24 months , same as Scotland , the playing depth is literally not there . One thing is for sure , Wallabies were levels above and outplayed Wales in every area . Somehow you have forgotten that in this clip
wallabies are shit mate get over yourself
Wales unfortunately wherea DISASTER apart from 20 mins Wales didn't look like they knew what to do or what they where doing Fairly obvisous now that the regions ARE NOT PRODUCING INTERNATIONAL CLASS PLAYERS let alone world class in any numbers.Iam afraid that the WRU will have no option but to scrap two regions and concentrate the welsh talent and the money on getting renowned coches Like D.Rennie for example Against Fiji Wales showed some fight today they just CAPITULATED and lost the breakdown bigtime and made very few dominant tackles Even worse Wales lost against 14 men SORRY Christian Wales just took a huge step backwards from last week Wales are going to be hammered next week i cannot see any other outcome As for W.Gatland Who would replace him?? NO ONE WANTS THE WELSH COACHES JOB
We do have the players! but not the quality in the coaches nor the faith in the WRU
I am not going to argue with your opinions David, but here in Wales we believe that changing coaches, regional structures, going away from clubs, are the answer, the WRU always remains the same !. I along with many others, thought David Moffets idea of a regional game, instead of the more evolution based plan put forward by the late Sir Tasker Watkins report was unneeded revolution. My concern is so you go down to 2 regions, what then if they are still not competitive ?, 1 super club ?, you may think thats being silly , but with the WRU !.
I agree Daren. Getting rid of a region won’t improve anything
The quality of player is not coming through im afraid.the backs looked small and slow at this level.no world class potential in that team.some good players thats it.best we can hope for is to train the guts out of them.and be the fittest TEAM.tshinza assirati no ball carries head down joining rucks falling taking themselves out of the game.just there for set peice.thats not good enough at international level im afraid.gatlands picked the best he can out of talent available.and no coach gonna make a diffrence.if the tools are not there.
Quality is there mate. Research and perspective is your friend
Diffrent training approaches.only the best players get through in the top tier nations.2nd is first loser approach mentality.we haven got that development in grass roots level.ive been invollved in it and seen it.we have to make do.with whats available.
@@davejones1372 All the players and not just the very best ones are developed and mentored far better than in Wales. I agree the development in our grass level is just nowhere near good enough. We have more than enough talent available but the people who responsible for getting the best out of that talent are absolutely useless
sack gatland
I completely agree but the question is what manager can sort out this team
Agree with both of you
@@tonytonnyson775anyone have Pat Lam's number?
@@tonytonnyson775dwayne peel or matt scherratt
@@SVAgxlxxi Dwayne Peel 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈
How can a barbarins team with two weeks training and a coach for two weeks.go out and compete and on occasion beat the top teams.with no real preparation.ill tell you why.ITS the quality of player in that team.not the coach not nothing else.if you got qyality 1 to 15 in every department.you can compete with anyone.all this shite the coach this the coach that.
And they all speak diffrent languages aswell mind.🤣how can a lions team go beat australia.with little prep.it all comes down to quality of player 1to 15.isnt it obvious.
There is so much evidence throughout sport that a coach makes a big difference. You seem to be an interpreting the sentiment as ‘the only difference’.
The clearest example is the Wallabies with Jones vs Schmidt
The barbarians don’t win very many games by the way. This Welsh team in fact beat them a year ago
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast what about the lions then.my point being.quality of player from 1 yo 15 is very significant.
@@TheWelshSportsPodcast look at babas results mate beat all blacks xv fiji and england recently.dont know where you getting that from.
I'm seriously losing interest which is sad will just focus on football
That is sad. And that is the problem that the WRU have made for themselves now
Hopefully you can stick around because it can’t stay like this forever 😂
Welsh rugby fan head. On omg terrible performance.but when look back in time all bad teams grow stronger the players of that game will know how bad they was and will be humble about it but I'm sure they will improve they need time we will lose more we went almost a decade of bad results in the 80 so buckle up get used to it for a couple of years but we will get better stop the comb and gloom a new coach will.do nothing the player need time improve full stop
Costello, Ellis awful but some great performances , it’s gonna be a long road to 🏴 putting together two or three wins , shameful it’s our nations game 🙁🙏🏻🏴🙏🏻
Certainly gonna be a long road mate, I just hope people stick around long enough for us to have an upturn
Wales is a dying nation. Look at its leadership. Its goal is to eliminate the Welsh people, their culture and identity, and replace them with outsiders. At the same time, everybody must be forced to learn Welsh. How does that make any sense? How can Wales thrive in anything under such circumstances. In Wales, rugby is a feel good thing. Nobody feels good today. I know so many people who have left for good. Mainly men, who saw no future for themselves there, and quickly realized the second class status they were being offered. Sadly, I can offer no solution, well, nothing that would work. Such sadness.
This is globalization. Thank the Jews.
Utterly nuts. So, let me get this straight Einstein. The government of Wales wants to eliminate the Welsh people, and they’re also forcing everyone to learn Welsh. You got all this from a game?
That escalated quickly, we went from rugby to xenophobia to conspiratorial antisemitism.
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