Training for Winter Backpacking! | How I Sleep WARM in Freezing Temperatures with Lightweight Gear
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- I did a quick overnight backpacking trip in southern New Hampshire on the Monadnock Sunapee Greenway Trail to test out some of my warm gear! This sleep system will keep me warm with temperatures way below freezing.
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You can stack pads just like you stack quilts. The math is easier than with quilts, you just add the R values together. You can put a put a Zlite Sol accordion pad (R2.0) underneath a regular NeoAir Xlite (R4.2) and get a total R value of 6.2 which is close to what the Xtherm gives. Throw a 1/8" foam pad (R0.5) between the Sol and Xlite and you're at 6.7
I smiled about the chipmunk you thought was a bear; lots of people confuse chipmunks and bears. You are a brave and adventurous young lady. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for staying on utube so many thru hikers just stop. I am glad you are so faithful you have done a great job . Ken NC 😎❤️😎
I think 🤔 you are great 👍 Ken NC 😎
Brave girl. If your thinking about cammo for that white tent, maybe even a little stealth camping! No one will ever know...lol..you could try the Army Army /Navy store or online light weight cammo netting. I don't like being bothered when I'm back packing. Thanks for making the video.
I think a better way to approach this is to bring everything, but only add items when you get cold. For example, have the second quilt off to the side, and only pull it on if you get cold. Gives you a better feel for what's needed at each temp. You dont want to get sweaty.
Just came across your video. Excellent content. I love seeing how other people backpack.
If you are looking for a good pillow system i would recommend combining two pillows. Buy the down pillow at Paria outdoor products and then buy a cheap blow up pillow. You put the deflated blow up pillow in the down pillow sleeve and blow up the inflatable pillow. A little extra weight BUT it weighs as much as some of the thermarest pillows. Because of the blow up pillow, you can adjust height and the pillow doesn’t sink over night! It also does not take much space when packed.
That’s exactly what I did when I started winter camping. Just gradually went colder and colder and tested the limits of gear, getting warmer stuff as needed. I also use dual quilts but mainly for 20 degrees or colder (I have a 10 degree and a 40 degree quilt). One thing I’d point out is once you start camping in very cold temps, you’ll want warmer clothing (down pants, a thicker coat, etc) just for hanging out at camp. This increases your base weight and also takes up more space in your bag.
I love backpacking in late fall or even winter cause you can pack a homemade high calorie stew and just heat it up. High calories on a cold night makes for a good night sleep.
I can't wait until dark, then I can get a campfire going. 🙂 I'm not scared in the woods but that will keep those scary things away if that's why you go to the tent. Collecting firewood also gives me something to do instead of just sitting around and listening to Bears stalking me (little twigs dropping).
Aside from your head, your system would probably keep a warm sleeper good down to minus 5 F or so.
Even if you're a cold sleeper, 10 F would be fine for sleeping.
I used a Climashield stuffed pillow when it's cold. The added insulation is a good excuse to bring a bigger pillow.
Great video and information…Maybe add a heat reflective layer under your pad even just a space blanket…Have fun stay safe.
I sleep warm, I broke a sweat watching this! The 2 quilt tactic is a great way to do it, gear you probably already have. If it's super cold, a synthetic bag over a down quilt will draw your moisture through the down before it freezes -
I use a moisture barrier in my sleeping bag when it's really cold
Is it better to put synthetic bag over down bag for moisture purposes even though it will compress the down a bit? Or does that mostly just apply to quilts?
@@dtboxes Yes, but it should be a light and looser quilt, it would defeat the purpose if ir smashed the down too much. I have a apex throw that I sewed a makeshift footbox with it. I'm gonna try that this winter over my 20 degree quilt.
@@rogerc7972 Good tips - I appreciate it!
Your voice is so calm in your recent videos as you explain everything!!! Testing gear in your backyard is a wise move!!!
So much credit to you for doing things like this solo! I’ve been taking small steps to doing more adventurous things solo. Maybe one day I’ll be at this level 🙌🏻
I'm starting to lean solo (as a guy). Less coordination, competition.
@S. M. - I actually like meeting and talking to people on the trail. But I prefer solo in camp.
@S. M. - 😎
beautiful late fall colors Taylor ... glad you got out before winter.
Ditto on the layering a quilt over the sleeping bag, works awesome.
I have the Duplex and I will eventually get Zapcks single person tent. The reason I have the duplex is because I hike with my dog, and I need the extra room. . On our Long Trail end to end hike I used my Zpacks 20-degree quilt, and I was fine down in the low 20's. I will add when it gets down in the 20 s my dog also sleeps with me. She has her sleep jacket and a quilt, but she likes to snuggle, and she definitely adds some heat. She also tends to take over a bit lol. When temps get real cold, I ditch the quilt and go with a Western Mountaineering sleeping bag. Nine inches of loft is super nice. I also hike a lot in the Whites. Take care.
It's nice to get out for a quick overnight. The big pillows they make today are my saving grace for a good night's sleep. I like your temp data logger idea too. I might get one of those to see how my winter gear stacks up on cold nights. We only hike in fall/winter. The little dog and I camp in a hammock with temps down in the teens often. We both keep each other warm so I don't need much extra insulation but I still carry relatively heavy insulation jic, (0° EE Revolution Pro + Warbonnet Wookie 20° underquilt - combined weight = 2.5lbs). Definitely don't like to sweat. I'll usually sleep with my puffy and other clothing (+ a water bladder and bear spray - the dog gets nervous, not me :) either on or with me to keep them from freezing overnight.
Love my Enlightened Equipment quilts! Cheers from Australia.
To me nature people are next in line to the genuine loving christians. Excellent people.
Would Absolutely Love to see a Comparison between the Plex Solo & Duplex! 🌞
I use a Thermarest NeoAir X Lite 3/4 pad. At night I put my pad inside my homemade Primaloft pullover which really increases the r value of the pad. I have used this combo down to 15 degrees, along with my GoLite Adrenaline 20 degree bag and Equinox bivy bag,and it worked fine. I agree with @ScrabblerVid that you should just add items as you get cold. This will give you a better reading as to what you really need to bring for what the low temperature is going to be.
I totally agree about the pillow. Will never use it again.
Yes! More earth people!
I thought I was a cold sleeper but you have me beat! I've been using a two quilt method for a few years, and think it works pretty well. My 10 degree quilt doesn't have a zipper, but in cold weather I snap the sides together so there's not much gap. EE sells straps that have two sets of clips so you can attach two quilts, and I think it works pretty well.
Most cold sleepers actually just use bad equipment. Sleeping bags are warmer than quilts and therefore lighter and cheaper. Combining two cheap mats is cheaper but heavier than a good one. And a 4-season-tent is about 5°C warmer than the outside. Plus it protects you from wind. So the difference between a zPacks and a real tent can easily be 12°C if you add a normal wind chill to the temperature. Be smart, don't sleep cold.
I get the road crossing thing! Not so much on a trail because I just assume everyone knows it's a trail crossing, but definitely while out geocaching! I often times wonder what people think when they see the crazy lazy walking circles off the trail or or disappearing into a random stretch of forest off a main road. But really, everyone is so wrapped up in their own stuff they probably aren't even noticing that I'm there (well except that guy that walked by me on the bike trail when I was in a ditch yesterday 🤣).
Stay dry ( including sweat) and wear layers ! :) Happy trails!!!
Beautiful time of year.
Thanks again for sharing with us…enjoyed the quick in/out overnight. Fall and winter we’re always my preferred time of year to hike and camp.
Another well done video, Taylor. Informative & interesting. You're playing it smart in preparing for winter hiking, and you're going to be fully prepared when you finally take the plunge. Good for you.
Thanks! This definitely helped me feel prepared
Great video, thanks for sharing. Stay safe and HIKE ON!!!
The only way to train for winter camping is to go out often in the fall sub freezing weather before the snow
That way you will be used to camping in the cold
Then you can deal with snow camping and already be comfortable in sub freezing
How can you still be nervous? As much as you've hiked? But then I remember back one time I was camping in Florida, very near the beach, but just inside the treeline. And about 4 in the morning, a very fat opossum decided to investigate my tent. I woke up startled. Somehow my brain knew something was wrong. He was literally staring me in the face from about 6 inches away (I had left the fly off to see the stars). Scared the absolute crap out of both me and him. I jumped, he jumped and scurried off. And I spent the rest of the morning trying to get my heart rate back down.
It's funny for me as a Canadian seeing this "winter" camping. But a trick when it is middle of the night and you wake up shivering at -15 let's say, is to boil water and dump it in a Nalgene and throw it in you sleeping bag. Bags are needed in real cold. AND, butane stoves don't work in real cold temperature, therefore white gas or alcohol is the only way.
always good fun to know what others use, what worked, what didn't. thanks
It's so fun to see you there. This summer I went on my first ever overnight backpacking trip and that's exactly where I went. I wouldn't have even know about the Greenway if not for you. Honestly you and your videos have definitely helped inspire me to get out there. When I went somebody had left a nice water cach at the shelter. The drought has dried up some of the water sources and I was grateful for the stash.
Joyable video. Quick, and short. Good info
Thanks!
I took the plunge and bought the EE Convert!! I am gonna try a winter tent camp night in January...fingers crossed
I too want to do winter camping. Dan Becker says he uses the 18 hour hand warmers as well inside his bag. You have given me inspiration to move forward!
I think you are spot on with your plan to test your sleep system for colder weather before you take it on the trail. I have done the same in my backyard. My winter sleep system is similar to yours. I use the the Thermarest Vesper 45° quilt inside an EE Enigma Apex 30° quilt on the outside. I, like you, use the Thermarest Xtherm pad in the colder months. That combination I've tested to 17° and was comfortably warm. According to the EE site it will hold me to 0°. I would not hesitate to take it down to 10°. I also use the 4oz EE Torrid Hood ( formerly called the Hoodlum) in combination with base layers similar in weight and type to your choices. I do add down booties over sleep socks. A warm cover for your head is critical for comfort when temperatures drop below freezing. Above freezing the hood of a midweight hoody is generally warm enough for me. I sleep warm. I bet you could take your system down to 5° without any problems but I would test it first this winter close to home. Good luck. I really enjoy your content and congratulations on your recent marriage.
I love my plex solo, too! Took my EE 20° synthetic quilt and Xtherm out in 22° weather and slept warm with 2 layers (all the clothes I had except rain gear) and a puffy.
Winter camping can be a lot of fun, if you're properly prepared. Looks like you're all set! Now you just need some snow.
Great video. Still waiting to go on my first backpacking adventure. You're a brave and beautiful young lady. Thanks for the inspiration
My son and I went backpacking for the 1st time last year and we packed up our tent about 10pm from getting scared of the noises in the woods lol. Glad we are not the only ones who get nervous in the woods at night!
@S. M. Yeah, that's a really good idea. I think I need to spend more time out there as well. Just getting used to it. May have to start in my back yard and work up lol
Way to get out solo and camp in some lower-temp conditions! I really like that Bluetooth thermometer idea. Currently the best I have is a glass thermometer (which screws into a metal tube for protection) which I hang out on a tree. I check it in the morning, but by the time I get out of the tent, I'm sure that the temp has gone up a few degrees from the lowest reading. Here in a few days I'm going out on a solo three day, two night hike. I planned this about three months ago knowing that I could have nice warmer fall weather, or more typical fall weather, and the off chance that it would basically be like early winter....well, the forecast says that early winter is what it is going to be! I don't mind the winter. I go camping in cold weather all of the time and love it......but that's heavy-weight car camping with all my warm heavy gear. I really like hiking with a light pack. Backpacking in the cold is a bit of a challenge for me because I want to stay warm, but don't want to carry a ton of extra weight. it looks like I'm going to bring the warmer Katabatic quilt, and the X-therm pad, and I think that I better just hike in boots, as I have a feeling that my feet will freeze in my Lone Peaks. First World hiking problems!
Hey Taylor!
I use my 35-degree Nemo Forte (synthetic) bag with a Rumpl Nano-loft blanket inside. I've used it while car camping in Littleton, NH. It kept me warm, it had snowed that night and I was cozy. It is always a good idea to "test" your winter kit before you go for a multi-day trip.
- I was inspired by your 2 treks of the MSGW trail so I recorded my adventure on it too! Thanks for posting this, I can't wait to do the trail again. Love your videos, thanks so much for your content, and help. I recently posted my "Day 1" video of the same trail (Shameless Promotion). Thank you!
Great promo - I am now a new subscriber! 👍🏾😁🌳
I'm in New Zealand 🇳🇿 and I only have a few short videos on my channel, purely for fun, but I will continue to add local scenery etc as a few people are interested in NZ. 😅🌿💖
Have done many winter campouts with my scouts. When I did the AT in March 2018 my 1st really cold night was Tray MT in GA. Temp got down to 18. Had a 4- degree pad, 30 degree quilt. Long underwear, nylon pants, hiking layers and puffy coat on my chest, down booties, wool hat and hoodie. Got cold because of the blowing wind not because I didn't have enough layers. Hiked into Hiawassee and worked on turning my tent ground cloth into a bivy sac. Problem solved. Have used an army bivy as well but it's a lot of extra weight. Having gloves or socks on hands can help as well.
Taylor, I suggest that you look into attending ADK Winter Mountaineering School, held in the Adirondacks at the end of January. They have several different programs to choose from. Highly recommended for someone wanting to get into winter camping and climbing. I was an instructor with them for 15 years.
I really enjoyed this video. 💖 😊 🙆🏻♀️ 🌿 👍🏾
I did a mid winter tramp (hike) and camp of 15km here in July. It was so much fun! 😊
Camped by a lake.
I definitely need a warmer sleep pad! 😅
I wrapped my puffy jacket around my bum, and I was fine with my sleeping bag and merino gear plus a fleece layer.
I like your style of presentation, you are easy to watch and listen to. 🥰🌳🏕️
Love from New Zealand 🇳🇿
I want to do a White Mountain trail in the winter, but not camp - just out and back in a day. I have done Mount Washington in the summer but this seems to be too much for winter - too many variables. Any thoughts on what trail would give great winter views but not such a commitment? I was thinking of Franconia loop trail (up Falling Waters, down Old Bridal Path).
This was great! Love all the info, especially the leggings to sleep in. I think wool would be much better than the ‘stretchy’ ones I have now. And I think you are very smart to cross the road and go into the woods when no one can see you. No sense advertising that you are there. 👍.
You are brave to be out there alone. I'd never let my daughters do this alone and I love the outdoors 🤣
I'm happy my parents support this then!
Just watched this after coming back from sleeping at Kinsman Pond last night. It was mid 20s and 40mph winds making the “feels like” around -10°F.
I had a similar setup for my sleep system and was really comfy:
20° mummy bag
55° summer mummy bag
Reactor sleeping bag liner (says +25° but I don’t totally believe it)
Only thing I wish I had was a balaclava since my face got SO cold. Tried to do my best to not breathe into my sleeping bags and create extra condensation, you know? Next time.
Also, my base weight was like 25lbs and I always struggle to not “pack my fears” - maybe that could be an interesting video idea? Talk about what some of those fears are (food, clothes, water, etc etc) and how to overcome them through proper planning and other things you’ve learned in your experience?
- thoughts while stuffing my face at the Lincoln McDonald’s lol
Thanks for the video. I'm starting my thru-hiking of the AT in Mid January. This is good info. I like that temperature thing. Gunna go check out the link now.
This version of the SensorPush thermometer is not weather resistant. Don’t expose it to rain or it will break. The more expensive “.w” models are weather resistant and can be hang outside in the rain.
37 F can feel very different depending on the amount of humidity in the air. I find it interesting how warm I am while at 32 F in the relatively dry Sierra, and then how cold I feel in the Midwest when it’s raining outside.
Heck yea on the survivor buff!😁😍 it really is the prefect length and stretchiness. Which season?
On a separate note, do you use a bear canister or just a bag and tie up your food?
Thank you. Always enjoy your videos.
You don’t really need all of that. Especially if you have a 10 degree quilt/ bag and an insulated pad. Just have a good warm base/thermal layer and you should be fine. I have a 25 quilt ( Moondance 25) and with my treckology pad R value around 4 I believe and I’m plenty warm at 30. I guess people do sleep cold and warm
I stumbled upon this video and your channel and I am so glad! This is exactly what I want to do! I am scared as a woman, but I still want to do it! I also want to do it in cold weather! You admit you're scared, but you do it anyway. I have so many questions!
The x-therm is my go to winter pad! With EE 10 degree quilt from there I can add layers if needed. Been to single digits degrees f
Layering EE quilts for winter is smart. I have a 20° 3 season down quilt with a 40° synthetic overquilt. Those combined are good to -10°, but realistically probably about 5°.
How are you able to type a degree symbol?
Pillow? That's what boots are for. Or the stuff sack with extra clothing. There are also tips in improving situations in cold weather. Pile up leaves or pine boughs under your tent. Using this tactic, I've never needed more than my Z-Lite SOL to well below zero. I've also figured out a clothing + sleeping bag regimen that allows me to use my Western Mountaineering Versalite10 degree bag to Zero quite comfortably. Honestly, when it gets colder than that, I'm no longer interested in sleeping out anyway.
Your pack/tent/sleep system weighs about 6 lbs, right? If you total weight is 11lbs, then everything else weighs only 5lbs? Can you list everything else so we can learn from you how you get your pack weight down so low? Thanks! Great video as always. Unicorn.
I'll be interested in future videos on this topic. What I would worry about with a low base weight is if you get wet either through condensation, sweat or even precipitation. Then you need some dry layers to put on or come to real risk. When I go out snowshoeing or skiing in winter, or even vigorous walking, my base layer and even sometimes insulating layers get very damp. Without a way to dry them in subfreezing temps, extra dry layers are critical, but add weight.
Sometimes that little bit of extra weight is the difference between life and death. 💖
When I was young here in New Zealand we carried 60lbs on our backs (1970s), and we managed. We stayed safe, dry and warm in the evenings! 😊
I too enjoy some plane tracking from time to time. Be careful out there frosty toes.
I am w/you - as much as this is a great time of year to go hiking and camping, the getting dark so early stinks. + the weather can be crazy. I was up in the Mts 3 weeks ago and it was around freezing and the first night was a nightmare as I just couldn't get the whole clothing/sleep system dialed in, the 2nd night was of course fine. Of course, it was then 84 yesterday in the same area !
Headed to do some beach camping next week, we'll see how that goes !
According to EE, 10f & 50f quilts stacked have a -10f rating. Even a cold sleeper should be comfortable into the teens, with the right pad. Still smart to test your limits at home, though.
I spent a night at 17f with a 55 deg bag under a 20deg quilt wearing a fleece hoody, a puffy and really warm long underpants. The top insulation was fine, but could have used a warmer pad. Mine was about r5.
the White Mountains are dangerous that young lady died just a few days ago in Franconia notch I would suggest unless you're highly skilled to stay out of it the winter
Great video Taylor. Question. Wasn’t it super cold 🥶 when you were first out on the AT? I love my EE quilt. Happy trails.🤘🏻🥾⛰️
That thermometer is cool. I noticed that it also records relative humidity.
Very helpful to see the strategy for testing your gear! I haven’t done that yet and this helps me think about it that way (also thinking I’ll be doing some colder weather hiking)
Enjoyed it kiddo!😊❤️⛰
I feel like that sleep pad is the beez kneez when it comes to cold camping.
Yes I would like to see the solo vs duplex Zpacks tent video
I don’t know how you do it!! I am terrified of sleeping in the woods alone and I’m a 51 year old human being who used to go backpacking alone all the time in my 20s. It’s crazy!! I did have to stop drinking 4 years ago so maybe that has something to do with it.
The drool says your sleeping system was good. Nice!
Great video (as always). Would love to see a comparison / review of the Solo vs the Duplex.
You are one brave woman!
You must have big chipmunks in N.H. Ours in Oregon are small.
You look so pretty!!
Nice! I’m also planning on doing some winter overnights in the whites soon. Do you plan on changing your tent to something that will hold up against heavy to moderate snow?
Maybe in the future, but for now I'm not planning on camping when I know it's going to snow a lot. Baby steps haha
My wife has a huge fear of being cold, it's amazing the difference between how I pack for cold weather and how she does. Does you cold weather base weight take into account the extras clothes you'll need to carry in winter? gloves, hat, upper and lower shell, socks, warm jacket , etc.?
Great information!
Doubling your sleeping bag is a good idea. Getting out of the bag in the morning is the hard part.
I love my plex solo and my duplex. But.. 😄 my hammock is extremely hard to part with. I feel I sleep better in the plex solo as far as tents go. Not sure why. The plex solo feels more closed in and makes you feel smaller I guess. I get way better sleep in my hammock.
Great video. Thank You
So awesome 👏
Hey coach!!!
Wondering if u were working on this vid when we were there??!!
Thought said perhaps ur wedding
Anyway>thanx for another amazing informative video
The Lost Sloth 💪🔥🥾✌️
The 2 bag formula that I remember: 10F - (70F - 50F)/2 = 0F
Great video! I hike and backpack in the Whites as well, I’m aiming to do a couple easier winter overnights as well at a tentsite and or self service AMC hut. I see you are using the Convert, do you recommend that over the Conundrum? I currently have a 20 degree UGQ quilt zippered footbox and a 15 degree Western Mountaineering sleeping bag. I only plan pn doing overnights at temps 0 degrees and above. Is there any benefit to getting a 40 or 50 degree synthetic quilt instead of down and layering it over 0 or 10 degree Conundrum or Convert?
I've read that you shouldn't have your quilt tucked under your mat. The fabric isn't durable enough to endure bring rubbed against the tent bottom.
Been looking at this tent, wanting a one person. I'm 6'3 do you think It would work for me,thanks for this video
Hey Taylor
I find adding a second and even sometimes a third base layer is an efficient way to stay warm.
What bigger pillow? I have 5 now, including the Nemo and I’m not done searching…
Thanks!
Thank you!!
Hi there! Can I please ask you a question? How's your tent holding up on wind gust? I'm planning to get one for myself. I'm currently using NEMO Hornet Elite that tent is Amazing and super Lightweight but it's unfortunate end might come in sooner if I use it on a horrible condition. Thus making me consider to get a new one. Thanks in advance
Good morning Taylor. What can I say? Excellent video with superb production values and excellent content. But that's of course to be expected from a strong self-sufficient offgrid woman such as yourself. Thanks for sharing and have a wonderful Thursday. 😉😉🌹🌼🌼🌻🌻
Get a hill people gear chest rig, put a pistol in there. Takes the fear right out of solo backpacking
Have you tried inflatable pillows they're very light weight and many different sizes to choose from on Amazon.
Yes, I was using an inflatable pillow