To Survive Is Not Enough
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Star Trek The Next Generation s03e11 The Hunted
Thanks for clicking, thanks for watching, hope you got what you came for.
Buy me a coffee: ko-fi.com/tjwp... or paypal.me/tjwp...
Outro Music: • STAR TREK - THE NEXT G... & • Magical Trevor : Episo... 
Развлечения
"Besides, we may need to use them again someday".
Well that pretty much answers Data's question of did they try to reverse the procedure. They had no intentions of doing so.
Yep their intention was.. "Oh they're no longer people.. just tools of war awaiting to be thrown into the grinder again."
No . Obviously they didn't intend to HELP these Citizens .
That line was damning. To the leaders of Angosia, these soldiers were no longer people, they were weapons, to be used or discarded as the situation demanded. Danar was the episode's antagonist, but the ministers were the villains.
When men are no longer men but weapons of the state. What a poignant episode.
But just imagine a few years later, when the Dominion were swarming through the Alpha Quadrant and their cities are being stormed by hordes of Jem'Hadar and suddenly, you are desperately needing those super-soldiers again
Easiest and most satisfying invocation of the Prime Directive ever.
So I guess sometimes the Prime Directive can be used for good, to turn away oppressors instead of unwillingly aiding them.....
@@girlgarde it helps when the antagonist invokes the PD first.
@@tbeller80 Exactly. The prime minister should've been willing to have the former soldiers fixed and have Federation help in doing so. That way, his people would look good and would be more likely to be accepted into the Federation.
The Prime Directive does not apply here, it only applies to interference with pre-warp civilizations, weather that's deliberate or accidental.
I agree and Picard is a starship captian that knows how to handle the Prime Directive quite well when either he or it are both threatoned or provoked or as u say invoked.
“And I’d say it’s going to develop significantly in the next few minutes” Badass
Precisely what I was going to say! Including the use of the word "Badass" ...
Badass indeed! Picard was a much better, more believable captain than Kirk ever could have been... But... Sisko still reigns in Badassery!
Another epic Picard Mic Drop!
Another badass line was after this clip where Picard says if the government "survives the night", the Federation will help resettle their veterans.
Picard basically quoting Lenin
"We might need them again someday." That line sums up this entire episode. I love this ending
No the line is " Besides We might need to 'USE' them again someday
@@epicstyle1000 I stand corrected. You are right
The attitude of elites in the United States. I heard one hard line right winger decades ago say that the military, those who serve in it should not rec pensions or be paid at all. Can you imagine that? I nearly fell over when I heard it.
@@davidhutchinson5233 no way a person on the right would say that about the military. You're making assumptions
@@lnr12241 No, I can totally believe that happening. Of course the other right wingers most likely jumped on him for it, but you get the same thing on the left. There's always a fringe looney or two who steps over the lines that the others know better than to cross.
“We want to come home…” the cry of so many veterans, not always heard by ear.
i would let them come home.
@@SamSitar Same here. I'd let them come home and help to undo their conditioning and treat them as heroes and shower them with medals, generous pensions and a great deal of respect and admiration. I'd also build statues and monuments so that future generations would appreciate the noble sacrifices they made for our people.
Coming home is not always coming home, sadly. Even if your body makes it back. But these days we're at least a lot more equipped to deal with it. We have the science. We know how to help.
Whether the resources are actually allocated to such a... financially unprofitable venture, when compared to the profit that the war itself brought, well. The cry of the oppressor, indeed.
They fought for their home. They have every right to expect to return.
@@girlgarde Let's make one thing clear; You're not a hero because you guarded an ammo tent. You become a hero by doing something heroic, not wearing a uniform and simply enlisting is not a heroic act. Especially when most people these days are suckered into enlisting to cover insane tuition costs, rather than any real desire to defend their country, at least in the US.
"Call your ship" "Quite right, Prime Minister" "Enterprise, Prepare to beam the Away team back" lol. Love the Picard!
"For the greater good." That's a phrase that always makes me cringe.
You must love the tau then
Cowards do evil and use that as an excuse for their actions
Hot Fuzz anyone?
pUbLic HeAltH
@@AngelaRyanXX?
Worf: "Did you reveal that risk to the men who volunteered for service?"
The Prime Minister's response says it all: No, they didn't.
As a Klingon, Worf has no tolerance for cowardly politicians who show no respect for loyal soldiers.
Oh yeah
They never do
@@daniels7907 It's probably especially crazy to Worf because 98% of klingons would readily volunteer even knowing the risks. Lying about them would be reprehensible AND needless at the same time.
@@TheEndKing Agreed- and I find Klingon culture to be morally reprehensible for the most part. But I cannot deny it; the Klingons would have nothing but respect for those vets - and THEIR solution would have been something along the lines of celebrity status for said vets.
This is one of my favorite TNG episodes and scenes. It's like malicious compliance just with the prime directive. You don't get to use people like this and then just throw them away when you're done with them and simply forget they exist because you now find them inconvenient. Just like we do with our own military vets in this country. Disgusting.
Vets, The Elderly, The disabled, the lowest on the totem pole, the people most in need and the ones everyone forgets
Star Trek never hides their blatant analogies with real world issues. Gotta love it.
Actually that was the TNG version of the first Rambo movie.
Said like Captain Picard
I love the scene, but I hate the episode for its gratuitous use of super-lazy writing. It's like Danar is dealing with the United Federation of Pakleds.
This is a fine example of how good this show was. How Picard can give someone an ass-kicking without actually throwing down anything but words is masterful.
Also a nice flex by the writers that they're able to come up with such masterful words.
Bajiquan: Using your entire body weight to support your attacks.
Judo: Using the strength of your opponent to make them fail.
Picard's way: Using words with extreme prejudice. That's the way of the diplomat.
Prime Minister: Do something!
Captain Picard: Okay, we're leaving
Prime Minister: Wait, not that!
"The chemicals can be removed from their systems..."
Uh...why haven't you done that already?
It was the will of the people to keep them drugged up psychos. Besides, they might need to use them again someday.
@@aggressiveattitudeera887 So remove the drugs now and when you are at war again you can put them back in.
@@aznsbd I doubt they'd be willing to go through that crap again
They want to use them again if there is another war
@@coldbastard6859 No fresh recruits. You wouldn't ask a veteran of World War 1 to fight in World War 2 as a frontline soilder.
If the Klingons saw how the Angosians treated their warriors, their war heroes, they'd be pissed and would say that their government are a bunch of dishonourable cowards along with some Klingon swear words.
Despite their faults, the Klingons rightfully revere their warriors and treat them with the upmost respect. They'd likely invite the super soldiers to the Klingon Empire and let them serve the Empire as citizens with full rights.
Nayrok: "Even before the training began, we knew there would be problems reversing it. It was a risk we had to take."
Worf: "Did you reveal that risk to the men who volunteered for service?!"
Nayrok: "We were helping them to survive the war! You understand? They needed those skills!"
(edit)
Worf: "You could have just said 'no'... coward."
Whatever else you say about Klingons, they admire bravery in whatever form it comes.
@@MichaelLee-tt7gm Yeah, I would've LOVED to see Worf reply like that!
Citizens with full rights is a bit of a stretch.
The super soldiers would be respected.. but they won't have full rights.
Klingons as whole is kind of xenophobic.
Unless Kahless himself bestows full rights, any other species would be second class citizen. Just look at how they treat half-klingons.
Klingon citizens only gain full rights - and full respect - once they have proven themselves as warriors.
Angosians have different values. They loathe violence, they're unaggressive and intellectual. They would never respect "brutes" and "killers", even if these are conditioned attributes.
Was always a favorite episode of mine. It makes you think about how people like Vietnam veterans were treated when they got home.
And a lot of the time, still are
A defeated army gains no glory.
The only difference is, they won.
As a former soldier, I can say that we were trained to do whatever it took to win. There are many people who don't understand that. And because of that, we were/are considered broken and sometimes less than human.
One of my favorites as well. It reminds me of the scene where Hawkeye had Thor in his sights and said...
Come on, what should I do? I'm starting to root for this guy. (paraphrase)
According to Memory Alpha, the treatment of 'nam vets was the precise inspiration of this episode.
The line is " Besides We might need to 'USE' them again someday"
Worf has a point. Even Klingons are able to relax their combat urges, granted, it's still the equivalent of bar brawling, but still
I found his point in this episode most telling. It would be dishonorable to ask men to make such great sacrifices without informing them of what they would be risking.
@@danieldickson8591 Especially since, had this been handled more honestly and humanely (like therapy and chemical removal post service), those men WOULD have volunteered.
Patrick Stewart delivers his lines with all the dignity and gravitas that a Starfleet captain demands. The writers of the show always gave him great lines.
Quite: “It is not enough to survive.. to simply exist.”
Is this ST questioning how the US is letting down its war vets?
Yes. It's ST doing what it does best: encouraging us to question and study what's happening around us, and hopefully change it for the better.
@@lockerracing7121 Yet the lessons still seem to fall on deaf ears.
Didn't you know? It was the will of the people.
It's very specific to the Vietnam vets. Though there's always reacclimating problems for the military people coming home and transition back into civilian life, Vietnam was just... the treatment those guys got coming home was nothing short of evil. It's gotten better over time, but for anyone that was in country during that war... that period of coming back to sheer seething hatred everywhere and having nowhere to turn is something burned into many of them. They have their own special subset among veteran groups because of it. That uniform represented the government, and many of those vets, pressed into service (not even their own choice), bore the brunt of this country's protests against the government simply because they had to wear it. A government that had already turned its back on them.
It's no wonder many of them still were (and still are) bitter.
I would say probably yes.
I have always loved how Picard threw the whole "internal affair" thing back in that smug prime minister's face! Do *not* play games of semantics with Jean-Luc Picard. You *will* regret it.
No CGI or shaky camera tricks, just intriguing and solid drama from talented writers and actors.
When you're on TV, you better damn well have good writing.
Very true, Max Brazil; this series is so much better than what we get nowadays.
@@Mrgaunt1 Now we get musicals, 90-lb women beating up on hulk men, and CGI.
@@VoIPPortland And 'story arcs' that are basically a 45-minute episode stretched across two dozen.
"It was the will of the people. There was a referendum."
Ah...
I imagine the government made enough people afraid of the super soldiers by hyping up how dangerous they are, that they could be needed again and even lied about how they can't be cured........ It's quite sickening that they frightened their people into taking part in the oppression of the very soldiers who saved them all from whoever they were fighting....
@Norman Thus proving that rhetoric in use of your own. Not all returning veterans are the enemy, any more than we are being "invaded by communism." Propaganda of exactly the sort that is speculated on in this episode. This series shows that each man should be measured by their actions, not by their government or race or even species.
Unless you learn from all sides, and more importantly learn who benefits on those sides, you will never see the real divisions in this nation.
The Federation has a lot of socialist leanings from what I recall and it seems to be doing really well all things considered. I'd like to live in that kind of future, where needs are cared for. The Angosian referendums really seem to just be a means for their officials to hide behind bystander syndrome and hypocrisy.
Legal imprisonment decided by people's vote instead of due process in the court. Angosian legal system is so messed up.
Goes to show that even "the will of the people" must still be bound by human rights and laws. A majority cannot simply condemn a minority "democratically".
Its not democracy when two wolves and a sheep vote on what to eat for dinner.
"the will of the people" last words of a dying democracy....
So called referendums rarely, if ever, present an issue to the people honestly, so when the people express their "will", it's not at all representative of what they would have chosen if they had the facts or were allowed some choice beyond the narrowly tailored ones presented to them.
@@biketrailing4277
Exactly!
We had a referendum in Hungary concerning migration and it was nothing but a publicity stunt...
How much you wanna bet they're flat out lying?
Moral of the story: Don't condition your soldiers and marines to become killing machines, make them do horrible things, and then stigmatize them with PTSD and throw them away... because, they do come back.
ANd look at today
Well, do they really come back in real life? Sure they hurt their families and health services and society. But the people in charge of the military and government seem pretty immune to consequences. Revolutions or military takeovers aren’t done by angry injured traumatized vets. They are done by generals and popular leaders, not exactly the “killing machines” themselves.
Lol, you’ve essentially summarised the movie Rambo.
William Adama:
The Cylon War is long over, yet we must not forget the reasons why so many sacrificed so much in the cause of freedom. The cost of wearing the uniform can be high ... [after looking at crowd] but sometimes it's too high. You know, when we fought the Cylons, we did it to save ourselves from extinction. But we never answered the question, why? Why are we as a people worth saving? We still commit murder because of greed, spite, jealousy. And we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept the responsibility for anything that we've done. Like we did with the Cylons. We decided to play God, create life. When that life turned against us, we comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn't our fault, not really. You cannot play God then wash your hands of the things that you've created. Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore.
"It was the Will of the People!"
Hiding being such things as the "Will of the People" is a deeply cowardly thing to do. It's really not much different than using a child as a human shield.
Such is always the authoritarian's reasoning. they cloak their heinous acts behind such words and push the blame onto everyone else. and when their power is threatened they work to convince the people that without the powers the authoritarians hold, then their way of life is in jepardy. for them, power is everything and any risk to it must be destroyed completely. eventually those walls come crumbling down. eventually they have pushed people too far. eventually, their power consumes and destroys them, leaving death and ruin in its wake.
Yeah, it assumes that if almost everyone wants something then it can’t be that bad of an option. Sure, it normally works out like that, but the people are still people, they can’t weight the risks and costs perfectly all the time
If we're being realistic, it's probably a 55% vote or something too. Rarely do actual civilian populations vote down rehabilitation efforts, esp when you have the backing of virtue signaling for veterans. That's easily the most populous winning cause.
@@mynt4033 Bare minimum it's a 51% majority vote...
@@mynt4033 or 40 in favor, 35 opposed, 25 unsure, so the 'majority' is conveniently in favor of those who stoked the flames to begin with
Amazing how veterans are chucked out when not needed to do the fighting and dying. Seems to happy in many countries. Even our vets here in SA after the border wars etc, kicked in the pants and left to rot.
an old tale often told
From the poem Tommy by Rudyard Kipling
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
@@rangelo7281 never heard or seen of this before but damn excellent to apply to the veterans plight
When I am an old man, I will still watch and enjoy all that is TNG.
Nice to see Zefram Cochrane alive and healthy in the 24th century.
"That'll do, pig."
One of the best episodes in my book.
The dialogues with him contain so much life wisdom about humanity.
Also
The tricks he does to the enterprise? Amazing!
They should have enlisted him directly to starfleet intelligence lol.
They would go far in Section 31…
"The good of the many outweigh the good of the few or the one." I've always questioned that. Who decides what the good of the many is? If someone chooses to sacrifice him/her self, that is their choice. But they should not be forced into it.
"The Needs of the Many, Outweigh the needs of the few... or the one." Context is for Kings. When Spock and Kirk were discussing that they were both talking about self sacrifice. Spock was counseling Kirk that it was an error for him to accept promotion when his best contribution is as a Starship Captain, thus saying he should sacrifice his career ambitions to give the best of himself, and later on Spock sacrificed himself to save his friends and his students, the cadets that he was raising.
Even the reversal in the next movie, "Sometimes the needs of the one, outweighs the needs of the many" was the crew voluntarily sacrificing their careers to restore his life, or at least save his soul.
So you're right, despite the letter of the philosophy, the practice is always self sacrifice rather than the sacrificing of others.
Probably why the one known for saying that is the same individual who designated himself as 'the one'.
I think you've answered your own question... Its a question of perspective and agency. The sacrifice of the few for the many is a choice that the few must make.
Picard has some of the best and most sophisticated mike drops
How did Zefram Cochrane become prime minister of Angosia III?
HAHA, was wondering the same thing!
I actually didn't notice this when I first saw this episode. It was before First Contact, and I didn't know who James Cromwell was.
James Cromwell is amongst a number of actors who have played multiple roles in the Star Trek franchise
The Angosians appreciated his skill in pig raising
The borg subspace wake created a transwarp anomaly through time that stranded him there, he became overly militant in response to a future borg incursion.
"This doesn't involve you, but like, yo, can you help us out or something?"
Jfc
this entire episode was a homage to the vietnam war,
and is still true for america today
americans treat their sons like shit, even though they risk their lives
the government more like rather than the country itself
@@garycannon4644 if you asume the government doesnt represent the people, yes
Even though america is a "democracy"
@@unowno123 We are not the government, and the government is not us.
They should bring him back for Picard, he could be a deus ex machina in a tight combat situation.
He feels a debt to John Luc himself, and watching him go all Jason Bourne/John Wick with a phaser while _using intelligent tactics_ and moving from cover to cover would be a great sequence.
… Perhaps even with a different fight coordinator who doesn't only use
double handed punches, forearm smashes and palm heel strikes.
A SuperSoldier with full access to Trek level technology could be a terrifying sequence, with him also gadgeting, moving purposely with a TR-116 (teleporting bullet rifle) in one hand and a phaser in the other.
Using holograms, scanners and false scan images (he's invisible to scanners), super Mini grenades and so on.
A ballet of sci fi death.
John Luc Pikkert?
@@slighter FLOWERS!
I could see them being called in a desperate attempt should Khan's race gain a footing somewhere so they need their own super soldiers.
Roga Danar deserves better than to be associated with the flaming pile of garbage that is Picard.
Reacher in spaaaaaaace!!!!!
4:47 "It's over Prime Minister! I have the high ground!"
That Danar dude is totally frood, he knows where his towel is. I'll bet he eats a lot of beans...
Ah, the "Will of people", that old shitty phrase.
Ikr? I would have asked, "which people? The people in your form of life or the people you inform through your media?"
"survival is insufficient"- Seven to the Doctor
"I understand Commander!"
"No you can't! Don't even try!"
"I ... uh ..."
3:53 "Peekard you can leeave us like this!" I never get tired of how he says that lol.
In the comic Rom, the Galadorians created Spaceknights to defend their world. They sacrificed their humanity to become war machines. Afterwards they would be made human again. Galador treated its heroes better.
Ah a comic fan of culture. Cheers
@@Tigerkaya Rom was an 80s comic. It had plenty of flaws but it had its moments. It could be grim as HELL. Invasion of the Body Snatchers meets the Thing. Would make for a decent TV series or movie. Heavy in horror.
@@xhagast I still remember that two parter where Rom and the X-men fought Hybrid. Seeing it in its true form in that wax melting appearance was chilling. But it was the eyes that just so unsettling for me. I collected quite a number of the earlier issues online.
@@Tigerkaya Hybrid was a real freak of a character, a true Dire Wraith scion.
Throughout history, veterans have always been praised when they were needed, and when they returned and were able to return to some sort of function within society. But for those who were broken, more damaged inside than out, their fates seem consistent throughout human history - discarded as worn out tools, bereft of further value.
Picard is like “Peace Out”
Good luck!
It took me a bit to recall, but I finally recognized the prime minister: he's the dead doctor from I, Robot!
During the dominion war I’m sure the Angosians asked men to volunteer this time and explained just what might be involved during the procedures. Seeing as it was Starfleet who’s back was against the wall I’m sure they happily accepted the help. After the war however I feel that this time the Angosians and Starfleet worked together to help those veterans return home. I see the Angosian soldiers as starfleet’s elite ground forces, the guys you need to secure vital objectives and hold them. I’m betting even Danar probably found himself a training sergeant or even a frontline commander. I’m betting their experience and training would prove very useful
From what we saw, one Angosian would make short work of a hundred Jem'Hadar, so yes, I would say the Angosian war effort would have been very useful.
Or they would have just carefully concealed the actual effects, lied about what happened, and made sure they had more effective control mechanisms.
4:39..he was mind fu**ing Troi..lol
A very satisfying ending that I've seen
Good to see zephan cochran gets younger in the 24th century.
I like how Danar looked at Troi, in a way of thanking her
One of the best lines in this series, and so very true and relevant to our lives! To survive is not enough!
2:55 - boy! Those self-repairing walls are AWESOME XD
I like how both sides actually make viable points. One of the better TNG episodes.
What viable point did the government make?
@@RideAcrossTheRiverexactly! Like, what?! The government were heartless arrogant tools. They had no point.
This'd be a good planet to get a swing-by mission in Lower Decks
This hits way too close and way too hard. We give up our lives, give up ourselves, all because we believe.
But then we find out we've been lied to and they turn their backs on us, and you wonder WHY we are bitter?
War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
So many of these episodes almost demand sequels. The What happened episode.
Star Trek. Showing us the way forward for over 50 years.
Interesting how much the away team pushes the two sides away from violence and toward a resolution, as subtly and yet forcefully as possible. Picard effectively neuters the threat from the soldiers by convincing the government to lay down their weapons, meaning the soldiers can only make empty threats. Having taken away the soldiers' main negotiating tactic, he then kneecaps the government as well by flat-out telling them they're not getting into the Federation, but that the Federation will keep an eye on how things turn out. This replaces the government's old incentive to make a deal (if they don't, they get killed) with a new one (if they don't, no Federation for them.)
Meanwhile, Troi encourages Danar to actually negotiate and tell the government what the soldiers want, instead of aimlessly waving blasters around and yelling at people. Both sides are now left with essentially no choice but to talk. The soldiers can wave their weapons around and nothing will happen; the government knows that use of force will get them killed, and failing to talk will cost them the Federation. One gets the impression that a deal will get done shortly.
Zefram Cochrane aged well
So did the human doctor off the first episode of voyager!!
If you want to raise a moral person, let them grow up watching TNG
Nailed it!
Thank you for publishing these videos. I have always had an aversion to Star Trek but your videos have put me on a week long binge of TNG. Thanks
I didn’t realize James Cochran is a call back from this episode. Very cool.
Pretty much the same way the US treats our veterans.
I think that was the point of the episode. Specifically Vietnam War Vets.
With the exception of saying "thank you for your service" then going back to ignoring them completely. Really sad fate.
@The Program so first, yes I'm young. I'm born in 89. However, I am more then aware of how Vets from Vietnam were treated. Hollywood has shown plenty of movie's showing that era. Also, ST was always more thought provoking (at least the older series) so its not surprising that they tried to tackle this idea. There are a lot of tough topics that this series tried to tackle with.
Second, Hollywood is only interested in money. It has never truly given a damn about which side it lands on the political line. Just to remind you that post 9/11, any person who looked brown Asian or a Muslim was ALWAYS was the bad guy on TV. Hollywood perpetuated many negative stereotypes for years just for profit. It makes pro American movies and even movies that show America in a less positive light. You can try to call it liberal or but thr truth is money is king in that land.
Also, people's mentality is that the military is one unified group. Either you support them 💯 or you hate their guts. The reality is the military is full of both good and bad people. Some that embody a spirt of Captain America while others....well...let's say calling them War Criminals would be too kind. The issue becomes that people can't differenate that so you end up with two extremes on the left and right.
I'm very anti-war. I hate the Jingosim crap that people use to justify their side. However, I feel that we need to take care of the people who have gone to hell and back. And I do mean actually help them. None of this "thank you for your service crap". Help them get mental health treatment. Find a good job. And maybe...just maybe help them find some happiness in this world.
@@Wolfknight16 Son, you can't understand it by watching a movie. You can only get it by living it. Your generation has absolutely no idea what it was like for Veterans from this era. And for that, you should be grateful. What you need to do, instead of thinking you get it, is to work hard to make sure no new Veterans are created.
@@lancer525 first, don't call me son. Second, kind of hard to make change when the same jackass are voted into office each year with no change. Seriously, majority of the people in Congress probably remember what segregation was like.
Yet in a way, the soldiers did exactly what was feared they would do. Remember, fear is a powerful motivator in any society.
Only because they were pushed that way. Also please pay attention to what Worf asked. Were the dangers advised to the men volunteering? The way no answer came to that question means no it wasnt. The enhanced people, "weapons," were doing anything really out of fear. They were fighting for the right to their lives back and not be just thrown away only to be picked back up when they needed to use their "weapons" again. The enhanced people wanted them to shoot them because they wanted them to see and actually understand exactly what they had done to them. Which is pointed out blatantly by Picard before he left, "they are not programmed to kill cowards" which straight up slaps the prime minister in the face because they were worried of what they enhanced could do to them. Which shows to us that they never once thought about reversing the process or anything, because the only reason the enhanced would harm the non enhanced is if they actually provoked them into the fight. The non enhanced would HAVE to be the aggressors for their fears to come true.
@@wanderinwolf3804 I did pay attention. Fear is a powerful motivator. Seems you overlooked that part of my comment.
@@rizon72 no I didn't over look it. Read it while at work so didn't have time to fully understand it. At first when I commented it seemed like you were saying the enhanced were in fear and that's what pushed them to do what they did. I now see I misunderstood and see you meant that the government feared what they created thus did what they did. Which in turn drove the enhanced to so exactly what they feared because the non enhanced became the aggressors first.
At 2:28, I'll bet the prime minister was thinking "See, Picard, this is why you should've brought your security officers!"
Cochran is the prime minister here. A later episode he creates the warp drive. First contact I think
Danar outsmarted data and took over ship, damn
‘We studied it thoroughly’ is the universal excuse to not wanna admit you just don’t care or are not interested in bothering to actually do something. The use of the word ‘thoroughly’ says it all, if not just most of it. If that’s not enough, him telling these veterans he’ll consider it if they go back to the very place they’re refusing to return to, is. He doesn’t want to listen, he just wants them to go away so he can say no and keep them locked away again and shushed.
_"It was the will of the people."_
In other words, democracy at its worst.
This isn't saying that a dictatorship would have been better. Rather, it's saying that democracy can be just as bad. Whether if it's the rule of one or the rule of the majority, both are forms of the rule of man, and people can become corrupted by the power that is afforded to them from such rule.
That's why I believe in the rule of law. We need democratic mechanisms, but they have to be restrained by limits meant to protect the rights of the individual ... the smallest possible minority ... from being voted away as was the case of these men who were turned into fighting machines and stripped of their freedom and humanity by the will of the people ... what the majority wanted for the so-called greater good.
I recall an original series episode, "The Omega Glory" when Kirk talked about the U.S. Constitution and who they applied to. They must apply to everyone or the words have no meaning.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."
~Thomas Jefferson
@@MrT8T3R It depends on what law we're talking about.
The laws I had in mind with my comment are exactly those which recognize and respect the limits established by the equal rights of others, not laws established by edict of rulers.
Tyranny of the Majority. It's why most world governments strive to be a Representative Republic, rather than a true Democracy. It's not perfect, but we haven't found a better way of doing things yet.
Cowards hiding behind a referendum of dupes to justify something they know is wrong, but is also convenient. It's uh... It's not a very rare occurrence in democracies.
@@darthimperious1594 Just about. Without hardened institutions, a "free" country can become just as tyrannical as any dictatorship.
Iconic actor, a master soldier and OCP's cheif counsel...
Picard be like: “Uh yeah my predecessor had to deal with something similar and for that reason I’m out.”
0:50 "We had to act for the greater good."
Those are the words of the devil, of Satan himself, and I mean that in the most allegoric way, in no way literal. Listen to the words of the greatest butchers in history: Hitler, Mao, Stalin. They all did it "for the greater good". When you hear someone tell you "it's for the greater good" you should already know that the decision has been made in their mind and they are ready to sacrifice whatever they deem necessary.
1:17 "It was a risk we had to take" - a close second.
I miss Star Trek TNG. It was so deeply philosophical at times.
I haven't seen this episode in years. It's easily one of the biggest examples of TNG finally hitting its mark and making its stride. It's my second favorite episode of this season after "Yesterday's Enterprise".
I agree! To survive is not enough!
3:05 Notice the subtly and symbolism of this shot? Both bright blue and red in reference to the two political parties of the GOP and DEM's. They are both notably brighter than any of the other officials in the room. Very clever design on a take about veterans affairs.
Those guns look like what starfleet might get in another 15-20 years 😂
Turtlenecks and blazers 🧥 what a fashion statement.
A gay statement.
"Roga, tell them what you want!"
"I want to sing! I want to dance!"
In Picards report of reasons why they should not be granted federation membership--I'd like to think their choice to wear turtlenecks was among them.
Don't forget the universal tights those ministers are wearing! Ghastly!
This episode reminds me of the original Star Trek where virtually every show had a message…all 69 episodes.
Wow. I don't remember watching this episode as a teen or young adult but I'm so glad I've watched at least this powerful scene and number of others on RUclips. Thank you for sharing it!
Wow! They have some impressingly fast self regenerating walls there! (shot at 2:34 and intact at 3:04)
The borg would be unstoppable after they assimilate them.
One of my favorite Picard lines ever. “It’s about to develop significantly in the next few minutes”.
They are right! To survive is not enough!
I remember when my Active Duty days in the Army ended. After 9 1/2 years and 4 deployments, Obama made sure to give us a nice resume fashion and then tossed all the Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans out on the streets. I completely failed as a civilian, I even ended up homeless. Thankfully, I'm no longer homeless and work as both a security guard and I am back in the Army, although now I am in the Army National Guard. I definitely relate to these veterans here. Some care about us, some don't. But for the most part, they give us a nice little VA office where we can wait in line for months for them to DETERMINE if a service-related injury is really "service-related". If we're lucky, we might get a disability paycheck and a ton of painkillers/addictive medicines, so we can sit in our rooms and wait to die. But hey... we get little paychecks that can afford a small apartment, some tolerable food and maybe some internet. And we can sit in our room and stare at the four corners of our walls, waiting to die, wishing we had some kind of value... or the ability to be understood and accepted again, like when we wore the uniform.
Jesus Christ, I don't even know how one is supposed to respond to that except to say, "I'm sorry that happened to you," though I suspect those words bring little to no comfort.
@@ariadnefrolich7243 I'm better now partner.
@@azraelknightquest5754 I'm glad to hear that.
'the will of the people' - five sinister words
Proof that total democracy is a terrible idea. Civil Rights exist to protext the few from the many.
@@95DarkFire wrong. It may not have very well been, "the will of thenpeople." Quite the contrary, it may have very well been the will of the war instigators and the will of the, "established." A class of people that very well have made all of the decisions (war and peace).
For the greater good. ‘Matter of public health’
@@PickledFaces indeed. I'll never forgive Trump for inventing the vaccine
Absolute GOAT of an episode.
As satisfying as this ending was, the proper Federation response would have been to ask each side if they wished for Federation mediation of the dispute.
Since the planet is not part of the Federation yet, I don't know if they could.
@@jdb2002 The Federation offered mediation to many races that were at war, and not part of the Federation. There was at least one episode about it, where the deaf diplomat lost his entire choir of staff that helped him communicate.
In the next clip, Picard noted in his report a message, saying "if their government survives the night, the Federation will offer assistance in reprogramming their veterans".
Why is Zefram Cochrane running this alien planet, and why is he younger than he was 200 years prior?
Funnily enough, the first appearance of Cochrane the character was in TOS where he WAS much younger than he should have been, the result of alien kidnapping him and keeping him youthful. So...
This is one of my personal favorite tng episodes
They were just tired of the food in their "colony". Just beans...lots of beans, lots of beans, lots of beans....
They really wanted some hamburger beans
The smell was really THAT bad
Rumor has it they’re still waiting for a cure in the conference room.
This episode reminded me of Blade Runner in a lot of ways. Also, one of the few times Troi has rightfully and believably snapped on someone. 1:44.
Ephraim Cochran is obviously a very busy man 😝.
The mistimed cue at 2:03 cracks me up
did you notice?
the wall just magically repaired itself HAHAHAHA
Amazing how little they cared for continuity.
But they're getting away with it when the plot is so captivating that people don't pay attention to visual details.
This is also how stage magic often works. Leading of attention.
Also reminds me of this: ruclips.net/video/Ahg6qcgoay4/видео.html
The wall was comprised of an organo-concrete fiber matrix. It is self-repairing.
That was a really great on, thanks for sharing that I really did enjoy it.
I also loved this part. Earlier, Picard tried to talk to the Prime Minister about Danar and the other veterans. He said his medical staff believed they could help the veterans. But the Prime Minister wasn't willing to let that happen, citing "matters of internal security" and more or less reminding Picard of the Prime Directive. Picard was going against the Prime Directive at that point. He was just making an inquiry and was offering assistance.
Now at the end, the Prime Minister asked Picard to help them stop these veterans. Picard did offer to "stop" the veterans earlier, but the PM threw his offer back in his face. Now Picard returned the favor. He basically told the Prime Minister he couldn't have it both ways in this case. The Federation offered assistance, and the Angosians refused it. Picard, speaking for the Federation, more or less said at the end, "You don't want our help to fix this mess. Fine. You fix it yourself."
Also, earlier Picard went to Danar and said, "I wish I could help. If a way comes, I will." While Danar appreciated the gesture, he didn't think it would happen. He figured Picard would side with the Angosian government rather than him. Much to Danar's surprise, a way did come. Picard chose to walk away and leave it to the two of them to settle things. In the end, Picard did help Danar. It probably wasn't the kind of help Danar was expecting. It definitely wasn't the kind of help Danar would have wanted - as in military aid. But I think Danar understood what kind of aid Picard was giving him - not getting involved in their dispute anymore. The Federation wasn't going to be Danar's enemy, but they weren't going to aid the government either. That nod at 4:37 - I think it was a nod of respect as much as it was a nod of thanks.
The actor who plays Danar also played Voyager's original CMO in ''Caretaker'' but he was killed when Voyager was sent to the Delta quadrant by the Caretaker .
Oh wow... it IS him, isn't it??? Good catch.
I see Zephram Cochran has settled into the 24th century quite well.