And once again small town politics run by small town thinking ruins another tourist attraction. Simply amazing they could not come to some compromise; shame. Great video, you got it all ! Just love those GP-30's don't know why.
I'm just confused why RBMN couldn't just clarify the passenger service as an amusement and leave the freight tax-free. This screams of lack of communication between both parties.
I took my last ride on the LGSR on November 10, and am so sad to see it shut down. Really hoping they'll come to a resolution to get it running again. You've got many excellent views in this compilation. Thanks so much for sharing!
Great video, looks like you covered everything here quite well. Hopefully they'll begin running outta somewhere else up to Old Penn Haven and back if a resolution turns out to be unreachable.
The new bridge being built replaces a bridge that had been at that site that was torn down in Conrail days, and will allow the R&N to bypass Jim Thorpe en route from Tamaqua to White Haven. It will also give the R&N a wye there.
Great video Norfolk7130 yeah it might be sad what happened but Andy has a few tricks up his sleeve and the railroad is doing wonderful I am pretty sure at one point some sort of renegotiations will be brought back to the table for operations at Jim Thorpe again.
@@Norfolk7130 That's my prayer also! What sad news! I had no clue there was even any trouble! Oh and to do this right before the Christmas Holidays... Increased tourist time 😱. 🌠🌠🌠
Great news. On August 14th 15th and 16th. The lehigh gorge scenic railway is celebrating there reopening by bring the 425 to jim thorpe to give its first rides in months
Any chance they could move to Quakertown Pennsylvania ? Or Pennsburg ? I think a scenic train would do well on the old Reading line from Pennsburg to Emmaus, and from Quakertown to Lansdale. I think there might be a full time passenger opportunity to bring people from Quakertown to Lansdale to take SEPTA to Philly
ESPN can't run excursions on the Perk and probably won't between Quakertown-Telford. PN does team up with NH&I and there should be more excursions from lansdale-telford-ish in 2020
At 1:20, I was replying to a comment when I heard a train horn blow. The first thing that went through my mind was, "How did they get SEPTA Silverliner V cars to Jim Thorpe?" The 2532 had the same horn as the V's use.
At the info center now they tell the tourists "The scenic train no longer is in operation, but we do have a Subway sub shop just down the road apiece if you folks are hungry! "...Jim Thorpe is probably turning over in his grave!
My hope is that the town and the railway come to an agreement to keep this wonderful staple of Jim Thorpe around for many years to come, bringing magical memories to so many visitors. How can they do this right before Olde Time Christmas?! It would be a travesty if no one would at least try to save the train! link to petition @ www.change.org/p/town-of-jim-thorpe-keep-the-lehigh-gorge-scenic-railroad
The Borough of Jim Thorpe basically bit the hand that fed them, and then killed the goose that laid the golden egg. They wanted nearly $100,000 in amusement taxes from the LGSR.
Looks like the towns greed did indeed bit them in their collective butt. All the businesses that benefited from the tourists will suffer and all because of greed. I hope the citizens revolt and make sure the current town administration/council (especially Mayor Mike Sofranko) is defeated in the next election and replaced with a tourist friendly/non-greedy/money grabbing administration.
@@dave6695 we really would love it if they would bring their train to Pennsburg and Quakertown. The line from Pennsburg to Emmaus is a scenic line and the line from Quakertown to Lansdale would provide commuters with a connection from northern Bucks County to Philly
Dave Harding I agree. People only care about money these days. I hope the ones responsible for all this realize their mistake and realize what they had just done. Ruined tourism over greed for money; now THAT is EVIL! Greed should never have existed. Thanks a lot Adam and Eve and the devil scerpent! 😡
The station will be left standing as it will still serve as an end point and origin for trains going to and from Jim Thorpe. It's just the Lehigh Gorge excursion train being terminated.
Damn certain the train pulls in a crap load more money to the local merchants (restaurants, shops, etc). Railroad called their bluff and left. Then suddenly the lawsuit was dropped and it's too late. Politicians gonna have all the shop owners gunning for their heads now.
See the other comments. The Borough of Jim Thorpe all of a sudden tried to collect nearly $100,000 in back amusement taxes that they had never assessed before. The CEO of Reading, Blue Mountain & Northern, the parent company of the Lehigh Gorge Scenic Railway, basically told Jim Thorpe to go to hell, and moved its operations to towns that welcomed them with open arms, not open hands.
Boo Hoo! Beautiful Jim Thorpe! Isn't there still a tourist steam engine here.? Or maybe this was it!?! It's been a long time since I've enjoyed riding the steam train up here! 🌠🌠🌠. 😢🌠🌠🌠
Roblox Railfaning And More well more like looking for a new home. The city of Jim Thorpe made the claim that the Lehigh Gorge scenic railway hadn’t paid what the city called an “amusement tax” in their time serving Jim Thorpe. LGSR snapped back by saying that they never had to pay that tax in the past and so began a heated dispute between the two that ultimately lead to LGSR deciding to leave Jim Thorpe all together. The railroad is working with reading and northern to look for a new home on the R&N. The city too has dropped a law suit against LGSR and R&N in hopes that they might come to a more peaceful solution. But only time will tell what will happen next.
@@mylesspear Thank you do much for your detailed info! What a sad situation! Well those city greedy morons will end up with less tourists who won't be staying as long there now! They chopped off their own noses to spite their faces 😬😕😬
@@mylesspear Standard politicians acting like children and throwing a hissy fit. They would rather see something abandoned than not controlled by them.
oh the town WILL feel the impact of dollars disappearing cause of the closure of the tourist train Since WHEN is a tourist train a "amusement" thing? Only if its in a amusement park & this isn't in one!
Ok boomer, excursion trains are amusements. It's not a scheduled passenger operation. Amusement taxes are added to the price of the ticket. If the idiot that owns RBMN had been collecting the tax properly for the last eight years then he wouldn't have been hit with a $100,000 lawsuit. Stupid Trumpers.
@@roger0929 Ok, millennial, Muse=To think, A-muse= Not to think. Unlike the video games you play all day in your mothers basement, excursion trains are NOT Amusement. X: Smart Trumper
Rodger the Dodger this is a example when Libs tax people out out existence. That town will loose more money with out the Train amusement. The town is packed on the weekends , now the restaurants stores and hotels suffer in business. So keep loving AOC and the Bern.
I agree, because people are involved with both. Good people produce well-run, trustworthy corporations that understand that there is more to their charter that producing a profit and raising their stock price. Good people in government are focused on public service, and doing the best for the areas the represent.
![Reading & Northern #425: The Lehigh Gorge Express - Scenic Steam Train Ride [4K]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3GOhLmdLCFw/mqdefault.jpg)
And once again small town politics run by small town thinking ruins another tourist attraction. Simply amazing they could not come to some compromise; shame. Great video, you got it all ! Just love those GP-30's don't know why.
Yup just like the ITM and the fair train.......
I'm just confused why RBMN couldn't just clarify the passenger service as an amusement and leave the freight tax-free. This screams of lack of communication between both parties.
This breaks my heart 💔 😢 there are so very few caboose trains running anywhere anymore 😕 🌠🌠🌠
Steve 100 it’s just Pennsylvania, crooked and stupid. Two kinds of people from there. Those that stay and those that leave.
Steve 100 yep
I took my last ride on the LGSR on November 10, and am so sad to see it shut down. Really hoping they'll come to a resolution to get it running again. You've got many excellent views in this compilation. Thanks so much for sharing!
Great video, looks like you covered everything here quite well. Hopefully they'll begin running outta somewhere else up to Old Penn Haven and back if a resolution turns out to be unreachable.
The new bridge being built replaces a bridge that had been at that site that was torn down in Conrail days, and will allow the R&N to bypass Jim Thorpe en route from Tamaqua to White Haven. It will also give the R&N a wye there.
I heard about that. It sounds very interesting.
One less reason to go to Jim Thorpe. Sad indeed.
That’s sad I hope that they could come up with solution!!
Carmichael Train Production Channel 327 Jim Thorpe actually dropped the suits against the LGSR and is opening the door for negotiations in 2020
Great news: LGSR is back!
Great video Norfolk7130 yeah it might be sad what happened but Andy has a few tricks up his sleeve and the railroad is doing wonderful I am pretty sure at one point some sort of renegotiations will be brought back to the table for operations at Jim Thorpe again.
Ain't that the truth
@@Norfolk7130 That's my prayer also! What sad news! I had no clue there was even any trouble! Oh and to do this right before the Christmas Holidays... Increased tourist time 😱. 🌠🌠🌠
Wow I was only there 2 years ago and loved it there very scenic sad to see it go at least I got to experience it
Great news. On August 14th 15th and 16th. The lehigh gorge scenic railway is celebrating there reopening by bring the 425 to jim thorpe to give its first rides in months
At 5:40... That sound just can’t be beat!
Any chance they could move to Quakertown Pennsylvania ? Or Pennsburg ? I think a scenic train would do well on the old Reading line from Pennsburg to Emmaus, and from Quakertown to Lansdale. I think there might be a full time passenger opportunity to bring people from Quakertown to Lansdale to take SEPTA to Philly
ESPN uses both lines. SEPTA owns the Quakertown line, and may return service there.
ESPN can't run excursions on the Perk and probably won't between Quakertown-Telford. PN does team up with NH&I and there should be more excursions from lansdale-telford-ish in 2020
@@Norfolk7130 - NHRR is the parent company of PN. They did run #40 between Glenside and North Wales in 2019 for North Wales' 150th.
Doubt that Mr. Mueller would want to run on a line where he's not in control.
Lehigh Gorge opened not to long ago, I was there a few days ago, it's a very cool place
Will the station at Jim Thorpe and the line still be around?
Yes. The station is the JT visitors center and the line is still used for freight on a almost daily basis
At 1:20, I was replying to a comment when I heard a train horn blow. The first thing that went through my mind was, "How did they get SEPTA Silverliner V cars to Jim Thorpe?" The 2532 had the same horn as the V's use.
Aaahhh! That's Soo eerie!!😢🌠🌠
@@MerriBrownwing - Not "Eerie Lackawanna"? ;o)
So as of 2/15/2020 the railroad is back in business and running?
I hope so my wife and l were there 2years ago beautiful train ride
Why is there a problem between the railroad and the town
dispute over taxes
Sad to see it go. But maybe next year it will return
Don't expect to see our family there until the railway comes back.
At the info center now they tell the tourists "The scenic train no longer is in operation, but we do have a Subway sub shop just down the road apiece if you folks are hungry! "...Jim Thorpe is probably turning over in his grave!
I remember going here and riding some trains one being R&N 425.
Guess I'll use the Jim Thorpe bypass.
They will be coming back next year I hope.
Brian Falzon ...and they’re back with 425
cool video i should go there worth the trip!!! im from indiana
This is still operational. They settled the dispute.
Looked like a train was running today...just passing through
Interesting. The shot over th bridge shows the cars reversed with the caboose right behind the engine. I take it there is no Y on the route?
Nope. Just the average run around move
So what happens after the last day? Is there a timeline for rail removal? Will thes bridges be removed? Will we have video?
Tracks are stilled used for freight service so they wont be going anywhere
My hope is that the town and the railway come to an agreement to keep this wonderful staple of Jim Thorpe around for many years to come, bringing magical memories to so many visitors. How can they do this right before Olde Time Christmas?! It would be a travesty if no one would at least try to save the train! link to petition @ www.change.org/p/town-of-jim-thorpe-keep-the-lehigh-gorge-scenic-railroad
So where to now?
hopefully Jim Thorpe will realize they screwed up and beg for the RBMN to come back
What was the dispute ? Was it taxes ?
ocsrc yes
The Borough of Jim Thorpe basically bit the hand that fed them, and then killed the goose that laid the golden egg. They wanted nearly $100,000 in amusement taxes from the LGSR.
Looks like the towns greed did indeed bit them in their collective butt. All the businesses that benefited from the tourists will suffer and all because of greed. I hope the citizens revolt and make sure the current town administration/council (especially Mayor Mike Sofranko) is defeated in the next election and replaced with a tourist friendly/non-greedy/money grabbing administration.
@@dave6695 we really would love it if they would bring their train to Pennsburg and Quakertown. The line from Pennsburg to Emmaus is a scenic line and the line from Quakertown to Lansdale would provide commuters with a connection from northern Bucks County to Philly
Dave Harding I agree. People only care about money these days. I hope the ones responsible for all this realize their mistake and realize what they had just done. Ruined tourism over greed for money; now THAT is EVIL! Greed should never have existed. Thanks a lot Adam and Eve and the devil scerpent! 😡
Do you know what’s gonna happen to the station?
It should be left standing because it is now the Jim Thorpe Visitor Center
The station will be left standing as it will still serve as an end point and origin for trains going to and from Jim Thorpe. It's just the Lehigh Gorge excursion train being terminated.
is rbmn still running and both are serperatley owned right
RBMN owned LGSRY
Norfolk7130 is Rbmn gonna leave as well or is it just their lgsry
Damn certain the train pulls in a crap load more money to the local merchants (restaurants, shops, etc). Railroad called their bluff and left. Then suddenly the lawsuit was dropped and it's too late. Politicians gonna have all the shop owners gunning for their heads now.
what will happen to the 425
Whats happening to it?
See the other comments. The Borough of Jim Thorpe all of a sudden tried to collect nearly $100,000 in back amusement taxes that they had never assessed before. The CEO of Reading, Blue Mountain & Northern, the parent company of the Lehigh Gorge Scenic Railway, basically told Jim Thorpe to go to hell, and moved its operations to towns that welcomed them with open arms, not open hands.
We are not amused.
OldsVistaCruiser Greed. One of the roots of all evil. I’m so done with these money grabbers.
@@rayvaul3539 - Greed got America into the mess she is in today. People now side with Ebenezer Scrooge instead of Bob Cratchett.
OldsVistaCruiser Yes indeed, sad, but true.
What about 425?
It will continue to run elsewhere on the system
I'm going to see her in Reading on the 23rd. Don't know where the train will be going from there.
@@SeanBodine It'll go from Outer Station to Port Clinton and return
@@Norfolk7130 Thanks man. Hopefully I'll see you there.
It's all over a legal battle involving the borough, the school district, and the Reading and Northern Railroad.
The railroad was being sued over unpaid amusement taxes totaling more than $95,000. (Channel 16 News)
Boo Hoo! Beautiful Jim Thorpe! Isn't there still a tourist steam engine here.? Or maybe this was it!?! It's been a long time since I've enjoyed riding the steam train up here! 🌠🌠🌠. 😢🌠🌠🌠
I know my parents probably wont visit Jim Thorpe anymore if there's no train ride lol
There shutting down??!!
Roblox Railfaning And More well more like looking for a new home. The city of Jim Thorpe made the claim that the Lehigh Gorge scenic railway hadn’t paid what the city called an “amusement tax” in their time serving Jim Thorpe. LGSR snapped back by saying that they never had to pay that tax in the past and so began a heated dispute between the two that ultimately lead to LGSR deciding to leave Jim Thorpe all together. The railroad is working with reading and northern to look for a new home on the R&N. The city too has dropped a law suit against LGSR and R&N in hopes that they might come to a more peaceful solution. But only time will tell what will happen next.
@@mylesspear Thank you do much for your detailed info! What a sad situation! Well those city greedy morons will end up with less tourists who won't be staying as long there now! They chopped off their own noses to spite their faces 😬😕😬
@@mylesspear Standard politicians acting like children and throwing a hissy fit. They would rather see something abandoned than not controlled by them.
Myles Spear I hope something is worked out. Wtf is wrong with people these days? Here’s the answer; MONEY MONEY MONEY.
I hope it reopens that was sad
Someone said that he hopes they get hit( city council) by a train...Well...I guess that works for me to.
Arw you sure about that
Too bad they dont allow people to film in the abandoned tower
lawyers
They're all gp30s
There back
It seems the borough and RBMN can't make up their minds on what they agree on. Back and forth, back and forth. Classic politics...
2019
why cant the rbnm just buy them problem solved
Well this video aged like milk...
oh the town WILL feel the impact of dollars disappearing cause of the closure of the tourist train
Since WHEN is a tourist train a "amusement" thing?
Only if its in a amusement park & this isn't in one!
Well said! Thank you! Sooo sad!
Ok boomer, excursion trains are amusements. It's not a scheduled passenger operation. Amusement taxes are added to the price of the ticket. If the idiot that owns RBMN had been collecting the tax properly for the last eight years then he wouldn't have been hit with a $100,000 lawsuit. Stupid Trumpers.
I am outraged that people would just go and DO that!
@@roger0929 Ok, millennial, Muse=To think, A-muse= Not to think. Unlike the video games you play all day in your mothers basement, excursion trains are NOT Amusement.
X: Smart Trumper
Rodger the Dodger this is a example when Libs tax people out out existence. That town will loose more money with out the Train amusement. The town is packed on the weekends , now the restaurants stores and hotels suffer in business. So keep loving AOC and the Bern.
Next year will not be able to know why tourism dollars are down.
Very stupid of the town
gov always mess things up
People always mess things up.
@@ktpinnacle no it was the government
Have you noticed that in this country we ARE the government? The town should install people that don't mess up.
@Jake Wheelie wrong
I agree, because people are involved with both. Good people produce well-run, trustworthy corporations that understand that there is more to their charter that producing a profit and raising their stock price. Good people in government are focused on public service, and doing the best for the areas the represent.