Internet Explorer 1.0 on Windows 10?
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Michael MJD you know RUclips is own by google
I believe the reason behind all the bad requests and RUclips loading Google, is that this version of iexplore is not sending the "Host" header, which is required by most servers, and since YT is hosted on Google's servers, if there is no "Host" header, it defaults to just Google
User-Agent
Also, as a side note, it will open any file that is navigated to, without a user prompt, so a malicious website could secretely redirect the user to a RAT.exe file, and it would automatically be downloaded and opened without the user knowing.
That's it. Internet Explorer 1.5 likely doesn't support HTTP/1.1 which is necessary to connect to virtual hosts. IBM's WebExplorer browser supplied with OS/2 Warp has the same issue so is unusable on the modern web.
No none of that. It's not working because Internet Explorer doesn't support modern SSL Ciphers. It's not even able to build a secure connection in order to do anything along the lines of sending a Host: header, User-Agent or even _mention_ HTTP/1.1
This is the correct answer. @Salamihawk that is an entirely separate issue
How people see the internet explorer logo : "as internet explorer logo"
How I see it : E
That lead in to the ad was so smooth, I actually enjoyed it.
i miss internet explorer 8, it looked beautiful
A main issue is IE 1.0 and Windows 95 was so primative, and only supported a Dial-up Internet connections. A feature that is no longer supported on a Modern OS.
I have gone into network connections under the windows settings, and I do think there is a setting for dial up connection.
They should make a theme of this for the new edge chromium
How to use Internet Explorer 8 for Windows 8.1, 10, 11?
Real Life in Microsoft DOS?!
Geen vraag is moeilijkheden twee Windows en aard?
New Edge Chromium looks great
Hahhagagagagahahagahgagaga
I feel like old Edge (legacy) was worse than IE. I switched to Chrome first thing
@@rxgtv imo it was actually fine but i hace switched to chrome because edge was scanning every goddamn file i have downloaded
@@0skate0 ikr
i forgot i made this comment lol
Wow, that search loaded instantaneously due to the browser not supporting the newer scripts.
thats the understatement of the year lol
Another fun idea: IE is based on NCSA Mosaic which was open source and cross-platform; also modern windowses /are/ tested against ancient visual studio versions. So there might be a way to cobble together a completely working version of, for example NCSA Mosaic 1.0 for modern windows.
This might be the reason they got sued.
I remember running IE 3 on Windows Vista back in 2009, and even that was completely unusable at the time. The thing that breaks browser renderings the quickest today is SSL/TLS and JavaScript, but when you go back this far, plain old HTML incompatibility becomes a major issue.
11:36
"Good ol' Bloogle" -Vargskelethor Joel, 2014
oh shit didnt expect to find a vinesauce viewer here
@@chrxsfn who's been drawing dicks?
- Joel, Also 2014
"What is my name? How about Expand Dong"
"PU$$Y D E S T R O Y E R" - Joel
@@Maya-uf7pp PUSSY DE-
STROYER
11:36 All that stuff at the top is CSS, which is something that makes up the looks for a page.
Yesbody:
90's people in a nutshell:
Well this is using ID selector while now it use the class selector
I know I also know HTML CSS AND JS
i realize this comment is old..but somewhere someone said it is loading a old version of Google page..it is actually loading the current version of the page minus CSS
@@MickeyMousePark It's more like the current page without JS. The "current" Google homepage, even back when you wrote that a year ago, was/is using JS to link an account and personalize results.
The page is still clearly being styled (incorrectly) by making the background blue.
install reactos on the $5 Windows 98 PC
Oh yeah
ReactOS is a curious case. It looks great but by all accounts it barely works. I have yet to try it myself
It will react quickly
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@@PhantomFist37 When you do, try to play around with Firefox, installed via software manager. It will install some old version of Firefox and it will run. Next time you run it, it will upgrade to some newer version of Firefox. And next time it will upgrade to some version that no longer supports Windows XP... and won't start anymore again.
10:08 r/softwaregore
Makes sense
r/ihaveareddit
r/idonothavereddit
r/iyesn'thavereddit
r/weirdsoftware 10:08
Your able to make that error
This video is exactly 20 minutes long.
uh so? we can see that too
Hindsight is 20:20, foresight is 20:00
Illuminati confirmed.
No, it’s 20.02.
20 minutes of your life you will never get back lol
It won’t work
The way most websites work is that when you access a website, multiple websites are stored on a single server. Most browsers (even older obsolete oudated ones like IE6) send the website itself (like RUclips) so the server knows what website to send back. Since IE1.5 does not support it, the Google servers just send Google website since IE can't tell the server that it wants RUclips since it doesn't support this feature.
The technical name for this feature is SNI (Server Name Indication) which tells the Google servers that you want to go to youtube, etc
This guy actually sounds like the Windows 98 text to speech voice
I'm ashamed I can't join you guys in the default profile picture gang
@Porter Bieszk thank you lord for your forgiveness
@Porter Bieszk i joined
11:13 6.2 is the NT version number of Windows 8. Windows 10's NT version number is 10.0.
they did that in windows 8.1 if your app isn't manifested towards the new versions of windows. why? uh, umm, well...
Applications not manifested for Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 will return the Windows 8 OS version value (6.2)
But doesn't Windows 10 inherit the same kernel from Windows Vista/7?
Just like Windows XP inherits the same kernel as Windows 2000, though Windows 2000 is 5.0 and XP is 5.1.
@@magset Could you please elaborate a little? I'm not exactly sure what you mean.
@@CocoTheMii They mean the version of the kernel Windows is built on.
F. ex. Every version since Vista is actually NT 6, despite Microsoft and 95% of the users thinking otherwise. And 2000 -> 2003 R2 is NT 5.
The IE 1.5 can't use CSS, so css got straight inside probably head tag, also making the color blue by default.
It almost looks like the blue color is "unclicked link blue" or something similar, i wonder if it somehow picked it up from the links on the page or something possibly.
Why would blue be the default? lol
6:07 Actually, that is not a digital signature, it is just the copyright text in the EXE resources. Code signing was added in Windows 2000
the reason why the google pages where "broken", is because google makes all there CSS styling in tags at the top of the HTML file. But internet explorer does not know what tags are, so It reads anything in a tag it doesn't know as plain text.
why not using the 32 bit version of Windows 10? since it has 16 bit support
Coz 64 bit is better, 32 bit is trash
@@codesavage3763 does it matter when experimenting? at the end is the same thing
Lx_ka YT ??? “32 bit only supports up to 4gb ram, how terrible” why would that matter if the whole point of what he’s doing is running a 16 bit program where 64bit windows doesnt support it?
the 16 bit emulator included in 32 bit windows is trash, otvdm is better
i aggre
There is a channel called enderman that shows how to compile the *original* NTVDM for x64, maybe that will have different results?
I subscribed to this channel and just search in youtube: endermanch ntvdm
@andybot89 Enderman is annoying. *laughs in Russian*
@@HBC101TVStudios bruh
they are friends btw
The reason for the brokedness of Google's home page is that this version doesn't support CSS and as such tries to display everything in "style" tags as normal text. And because style tags are usually put in the HEAD tag instead of BODY, CSS data is shown before any other info on the page. Dunno why site's color is blue, but it may be because of a stray bgcolor attribute left in the body tag.
internet explorer wasnt trying to load the old version of the site, it just couldn't load the css for it. That's why the buttons and whatnot look old since thats how the buttons and everything looks without the proper css for it.
Why do you use OTVDM when you could just install a 32-bit version of Windows? You’re using a virtual machine! I would much rather see you at least try to run it natively.
why would you try to install ie 1.0 on anything but windows?
@Peter Andrijeczko That makes sense but why would you make a comment about it on a video about installing IE on Windows 10?
@Gizmoz I’m just saying to try to install it on 32-bit Windows instead of 64-bit Windows because 32-bit Windows supports 16-bit applications. Either way, you would still be installing it on Windows.
@Peter Andrijeczko Welcome to the internet my friend! Google probably already knows all about you!
@@mattjw16 I never said anything against that
In a way, using windows 95/98 with it's old browser is actually probably fine. Any exploits for it are no longer in circulation because a hacker's time is better spent on those with better OS's, like 7 or 10. It's funny because some exploits are just "too new" for windows 9x that they just don't get hacked (as demo'd by MattKC)
The NT version is 10. Due compatibility reasons, Windows 10 reports NT version 6.2 to older programs using deprecated version call APIs
@Jackson Tech Things because Microsoft deprecated the old API with Windows 8. Until 8, both the new and the old API worked to get version number. After Microsoft announced depreciation, the API was still usable for a couple of Windows versions. With 8.1, the API is "frozen" and exists for backwards compatibility but no longer updates. Hence you get Windows 8, the last version the API worked on.
Many older Programms interpret WIndows 10 as NT 6.2 while 6.2 was acutally Windows 8.0 it is provided to provide NT version for NT5 and 6 series as a fallback because microsoft changed the NT Version back with Windows 10 1507 back with the original Windows 10 RTM to 10.0... Older Programms expected the NT Version to be no longer then 9.x (decimal) so with Windows 10 beeing 10.0 it would be an unexpected value reading throwing many programs from the 2000, XP, Vista, 7 area to think it was a lower version than NT 5.0 (Windows 2000)
I think Google works to some point because they do know retro enthusiasts expect it to remain the only present-day page they can trust will load. I'm sure they actively ensure it will run on any browser however old (loading a legacy version of the front-end thing when really ancient software is detected).
Could be google is a simple site
We need to go deeper in the vm ception!
@Dipper Pines Plays GD and more! your names deep?
Dipper Pines Plays GD and more! what the hell do you mean he said deeper not dipper dumbass
How many vms does it take to make your computer scream?
You should have went to the Space Jam website.
I agree
same
c'mon, you're NOT using *Netscape Navigator* from 2008 yet? what are you doing with your life? ;P
Really like these kind of experiments.
Glad to hear that!
I don't know why, but I just really like the sound of hai voice. It's just so.... Calming. And also, the way he breathes is weirdly cool.
The other day I installed a copy of Windows 95 on my VM for fun and it already had IE 1.0 installed. It loaded no different than this one haha. I was shocked too how well Google actually still worked.
Getting the internet to work was another story.
@@karen6709 I am not too sure. Its been a couple years, but probably was VirtualBox.
keep in mind, ssl had a serious exploit patched out a few years ago, and now even clients that originally supported it will no longer work with modern ssl servers because of how much had to be changed in the patch.
You're slowly but surely getting one of my favorite channels !
ooh, which one is he getting?
@@vitamins-and-iron LGR
Lol, I love how it tried to make this "my computer is downgrading" meme.
I tried something similar, but less drastic... because I'm slightly annoyed by the Windows 10 calculator, I copied the calc.exe from my Windows XP installation to my USB stick... runs flawlessly on Windows 10 64-bit!
I did this with Solitare and Minesweeper.
16-bit applications does not support long names. Rename the folder to "IE15".
If i remember correctly you can open old installers like this in a Zip program and get the contents.
By the way... for your own personnal benefit when doing these videos. That kind of installer is more akin to a self-extracting zip file. Modern zip programs could extract it then you proceed to a manual installation. (Good old days!) If modern softwares ain't working... Use one that was made around that time. Older versions of winzip are extremely easy to find.
The reason why you were able to get 1.5 working on Windows 10 and not 1.0 is because the 1.5 version you're using is compiled specifically for Windows NT 3.5 if the title of the window is anything to go by. Windows 9x systems were based on the Windows 95 Kernel and MS DOS 7 calls. Windows NT is a completely different family of operating systems, but with the release of XP, all consumer versions of Windows use the NT Kernel.
Why didn't you try typing RUclips in Google's search box?
The Google picture was supposed to be animated that day.
15:49 I laughed so hard
I tried using IE11 once (which is the latest version before MS Edge) and many websites were already broken
(Edit: Grammar)
I died when youtube redirected to google
If I recall, dont' you have to add www.google.com.. old browsers needed guidance which part of the site you're accessing.
I like how less then 1 minute already took from October 7 to October 31
11:16
ie1 right now says that your running Windows 8.
Win NT 6.0 is Vista or Win 7 RTM
NT 6.1 is Win 7 SP1
NT 6.2 is Win 8
NT 10 is obviously Win 10
I might not be correct about this but im to 80% sure nt 6.2 is win 8 or 8.1
For some reason, a lot of old softwares detects Windows 10 as Windows 8, guess the string NT 6.2 is still somewhere in there.
Its so old that probably even more secure than others. Because no virus or malware code will work.
The reason is that IE 1.0 does not support HTTP/1.1, which version allows multiple vhosts (e.g. RUclips and Google) to share a same IP address.
0:27 latest, but definitely not greatest
Ya. Windows 7 is the greatest! :P
i’ve had a windows 7 setup for 8 years
@@Jun.Suzuki I'm using it right now
Tbh the windows 10 May update 2019 has improved a lot. Personally, after this update it has became my very favourite OS from windows. Nonetheless, I still have an overwhelming love to windows 98, XP and windows 7.
How horrible is Internet Explorer?
11:56 That's some CSS code that won't load on the browser
@14:15 i think thats normal even in modern IE, if the site hasn't loaded the address bar stays at the previous address, or it least it still does it like that for me.
It had a install.exe build in, click on that file (I test on Windows 7 x86).
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To be honest, the current version of IE doesn't work either...
its called traditions!
I've tried to use it and it could barely load Reddit
@@gogomonow That might be a good thing! ;)
@@gogomonow r/wooooooooooooooosh
Chris Technologies YT ??
Damn, I wasn't expecting such an incredibly old software to work on Windows 10
Many years ago I used internet explorer 3.0 in Windows xp
Because you didn't know any better, right?
try 4chan, that website still uses really basic html
Wow didn't expect this to work at all, but it did in v1.5 :)
you should have tried loading wikipedia
Besides SSL it most likely does not support Server Name Indication, so that might be the reason why you get to google when you trying to use youtube.
0:27 windows 10 isn’t anywhere close to being the greatest Microsoft OS
You should try the DSi browser next! (that doesn't load a thing :))
Neither does the wii internet channel
@( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) yes but nothing else
That poor machine spirit must be so confused
I was 100% sure that nothing would load at all. Thank you for attempting things like this and proving they're possible
Not every website is JS trash like RUclips and Instagram. It's easy to use a browser without a GUI if you know where to go.
An absolute lie in the end of the video. Using an ancient internet connected os or software is always more secure since the things needed to execute modern day exploits are extremely likely not supported
There are certainly still exploits that exist in the old IE browsers (whether known or not) that can be used to take advantage of the system. For example, trying to load a webpage that causes a buffer overflow to perform arbitrary code execution. He's already giving the program administrator access, which is bad.
I think the `URL.dll` was not working because the actual file was `url.dll` (no caps), you should've tried rename it
It says Windows 95 not Windows 10, you are 85 Windows short.
I know i'm about 2 years late but I feel some of the errors were caused by not typing "www." HTTP was automatically populated but I'm pretty sure back in the day things fell over when I didn't type www.
Chrome uses 5 seconds to load a website while ie 1.0 uses only 0.5 seconds to load a website
I'm guessing IE 1.x didn't supply a host header in the request, so it's returning the default site hosted on that IP address. Try putting youtube.com's IP in to the web browser, Google loads :)
13:48 Maybe try adding the dns information directly to the HOST file?
Edit: I just noticed you tried running acmsetup.exe in OTVDM, that errors out even if you extract OTVDM into the IE 1.5 setup folder. You have to run install.exe in OTVDM for it to install.
Original: 9:30 If you extract the OTVDM files into the IE 1.5 setup folder you can run the installation file no problem. Just tried it on my computer.
11:34 Michael: I don’t think we can just type google.com.
*website generates quicker than the speed of light*
"The latest and greatest operating system, Windows 10"
Yeah right
I thought IE1.0 ran under windows 3.1 (well 3.11 workgroups) as well?
Win3.1 would still have been in quite widespread use then.
YOU'RE NOT PRESSING APPLY ON THE COMPATIBILITY SETTINGS
don’t need to
@@gooberboy69420 yeah I've realized that in the past 4 years
Sometimes when you run very old windows software(like WIN2.0, 3.0) it could give the error cant run the application because of the file headers. To run an executable it needs MZ and PE headers, but these might have only MZ and a header for NEW EXECUTABLE
2019: IE1 on Windows 10
2039:edge 1.0 on Windows 10 3907
Assuming that windows lasts that long.
"latest and greatest" sorry but Windows 10 BY FAR is not the greatest windows version (or operating system for that matter)
A good WINDOWS operating system would be Windows 7, it's pretty much the best one you could get. In terms of security you would want to go with something like a Linux distro (Qubes OS , Tails OS, or maybe even Whonix). Generally speaking, Linux is your best bet considering the wide range of distros you can choose from. Bedrock Linux is a good one for those who just want one to settle down with, instead of distro-hopping until you find the "right one."
@Jackson Tech Things To each their own. I mean, personally, I love windows, but mainly because its the most common when it comes to apps and such. I'd really only just use Linux as a kind of secondary OS I could use whenever I want or need to.
Ngl its probaably faster
Windows has a feature which makes it able to run 8 to 16bit programs in the compatibility settings
Why 8-bit? It's not like anyone would run Commodore BASIC on Windows 10 without an emulator.
Let's go back to 1995
Releasing Internet Explorer 1
10:02 r/softwaregore
i'm so sorry
@Javascript required to display profile name yeah, i agree. that was a long time ago. i'm not proud of this comment, i don't use reddit much anymore.
Hi. Great video. Remarkable that Internet explorer still runs.
A while ago I downloaded a huge torrent of old webpages (geocities) and made it available on my Raspberry Pi. If you're interested, I can send you the url. I made sure to disable HSTS and automatic redirections for the those pages.
I made a bunch of scripts to find interesting sites and resources fast.
That sounds awesome. You should definitely make it public for people to see!
@@TDGalea I would like, too. But I'm too concerned whether there are any problems with that. There are some pages who have selected parts of those sites.
I don't want to get sued because of some songs or picture somebody uploaded. (There are many songs and private pictures included that may be problematic).
I can PM you the link however. Just don't do anything extreme with that url. It's my Raspberry Pi at home.
I can also send you the torrent that I used.
EnderKill98 Go ahead and send both, that would be awesome, thanks. I've been considering making a mini archive kinda thing for random things like this; I've already got websites running so I'll probably grab myself another free domain and get that going.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@EnderKill98 Does this still exist?
There is a standard requiring secure connections that went into effect this year. That's probably why you're getting the errors.
11:34 Micheal's reaction says it all
My god, you monster.
11:33 contradiction
"The latest greatest Microsoft operating system"
Yeah Windows 7 is way better
XP is even better ;D
@@KasparOnTube Vista was neat too.
Maybe at windows 10s release but now it's better than 7
@@gogomonow I can tell you that 7 is still way better than 10
windows 10 is way better than windows 7, it just loses in performance.
good video, i installed a fresh Windows 11 on my higher end gaming PC with the Asus Black Edition Motherboard. Anyway The fans are up full of course. AI Suite 3 Wont install what do i do ? :(