For the fencer's parry (8th) to be effective, the forearm should not be lowered. The point is sufficient to use the guard and the forte of the blade. I agree with Donald, if I parry 2 I keep the hand in pronation and I have the choice of targets, the belly, the thigh, the foot to riposter. The 2 is a strong parry but the fencer often tends to move the elbow back. Moreover, tilting the chest forward risks increasing the imprecision of the riposte. With the 8th I can look to hit the chest, stomach, thigh and foot, my point doesn't leave the targets like the 2nd might. when I show these positions to my students and apprentice fencing masters I show them how to use the joint lock of the 8th
i was taught that 2nd is directed down the same way as 8th with the difference being the wrist-forearm twist in 2nd that gives lot of force in both parry and beat actions. What the vid presents looks a bit more like 3rd or something inbetween 2nd and 3rd
It doesn't matter too much. Once you are in a rush on a tournament - you will have no time remembering all those positions and numbers. You will use your muscle memory and whatever works best for you individually. Rule of a thumb - to move the opponent's blade THE SHORTEST WAY out of threat zone.
+Roxaas yeh i like jinx , i am a lol player but i play taiwan's server , so i don't know the name of her in English.And now i know what do you mean :D btw i am a epee fencer and i am here because i am curious about how the fencer train in the other country . Haha ,sorry my bad english and i come from Hong Kong :D
I realize you are not going to get epee fencers to take 8 to defend against a low line attack. But if I did, I don't see that I would have to bring the low point up to the chest to get a riposte. The leg or the abdomen would be a much better target. Yes, an epee fencer (and it think foil fencers as well) would prefer to take a 2. But look at where the coach is aiming his attack, just an inch below the students' guard. And the student takes the 2 with the blade nearly parallel to the floor. Do you, or do you know anyone who takes a 2 like that? If someone is going to the bottom of my hand, I'm much more likely to simply raise the hand to avoid the touche and then counterattack to the arm than attempt a parry. But what about an actual attack to the leg or foot? The 2 parry as demonstrated would have no chance of stopping such an attack, simply because the parallel blade would miss. That's why you always teach that parries have to have an angle to them. Finally, I don't have to rotate my hand back to the supinated position to make a riposte from 2, unless I have to go to the high line of my opponent. Normally I would keep the hand pronated to riposte to the abdomen or leg.
Raising hand when opponent aiming at the bottom of the hand? Are you kidding? this is a perfect way to get hit, since you are exposing it. You need to move your bell guard DOWN, which will block opponent's attempt to hit your hand or arm. About riposting to abdomen or leg - it depends how tall you are and how tall is your opponent.
@Rjevsky Fencing , nonsense. If I aim for your hand, from any line, it has to be where I expect it to be in order to score. You aim for my hand when it is in on guard, and I raise it high and extend for counterattack, and you expect to follow it up for a touche? Not a chance. I'm not raising my hand to make it easy for you, like I'm giving you a beginners lesson. I'm looking to score on your mistake.
Most certainly, if you are fast and the situation allow you to make a holding parry, where you can transfer your tip at opponent. It comes handy at core to core.
I've got an unfair disadvantage fencing epee, my right hand's too big for a pistol grip! XD My last 2 fingers are exposed! XD Do ya think the bell guard will protect my whole hand if I use a, err.. French grip?
The French handle may be a solution but before changing it should probably be checked for distance. H.Bormann (DE) was not tall with a pistol grip and he won against taller fencers with french handle.
@@arnaudchauffaille7270 I’m looking forward to doing fencing again at the new club I’ll be going to on the 7th of June! 😃 I haven’t been doing it in over two years! XD It’s gonna cost me a fortune but who cares!? I can train twice a week there, I can afford it just no more going to the gym, I don’t really need the gym anymore and best of all, there are more épéeists for me to play with! 😃
Hi Bob. We aimed to have a controlled session for purposes of the video. Coaches were given guidelines for maintaining student/coach safety. Thanks for watching
I don't think he is an epeeist, we usually do a modified octav that is faster. This move is too slow for my liking, your opponent needs slow footwork for you to execute this.
The only problem is the master isnt really attacking. So what the fencer is defending? a fake attack?! The Master is creating a routine with wrong tempo and time. All the rest good, nice video ;) Ps: Exercises without mask on youtube isnt nice also.
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great teacher and great assistant!
This is fantastic, thanks for the tips!
For the fencer's parry (8th) to be effective, the forearm should not be lowered. The point is sufficient to use the guard and the forte of the blade.
I agree with Donald, if I parry 2 I keep the hand in pronation and I have the choice of targets, the belly, the thigh, the foot to riposter.
The 2 is a strong parry but the fencer often tends to move the elbow back.
Moreover, tilting the chest forward risks increasing the imprecision of the riposte.
With the 8th I can look to hit the chest, stomach, thigh and foot, my point doesn't leave the targets like the 2nd might.
when I show these positions to my students and apprentice fencing masters I show them how to use the joint lock of the 8th
i was taught that 2nd is directed down the same way as 8th with the difference being the wrist-forearm twist in 2nd that gives lot of force in both parry and beat actions. What the vid presents looks a bit more like 3rd or something inbetween 2nd and 3rd
It doesn't matter too much. Once you are in a rush on a tournament - you will have no time remembering all those positions and numbers. You will use your muscle memory and whatever works best for you individually. Rule of a thumb - to move the opponent's blade THE SHORTEST WAY out of threat zone.
Why testing bells :)
Fantastic application and explanation of seconde.
Fantastic explanation, really stunning. Does this coach has a dvd or anything like that? I really would like to see him teaching...
Good explanation!
Thank coach! 🤺!
Learnt a lot from this ,thanks for sharing ^^
are u here because of fiora
+Roxaas no....actually i don't know what is that...i am sorry.
but butbut butbutbut isnt that a jinx icon ._.
+Roxaas yeh i like jinx , i am a lol player but i play taiwan's server , so i don't know the name of her in English.And now i know what do you mean :D
btw i am a epee fencer and i am here because i am curious about how the fencer train in the other country . Haha ,sorry my bad english and i come from Hong Kong :D
+Roxaas We called Fiora 「菲歐拉」here ^ ^This is the Chinese name of Fiora .(It pronounce as FI OH LA.)
I realize you are not going to get epee fencers to take 8 to defend against a low line attack. But if I did, I don't see that I would have to bring the low point up to the chest to get a riposte. The leg or the abdomen would be a much better target.
Yes, an epee fencer (and it think foil fencers as well) would prefer to take a 2. But look at where the coach is aiming his attack, just an inch below the students' guard. And the student takes the 2 with the blade nearly parallel to the floor. Do you, or do you know anyone who takes a 2 like that? If someone is going to the bottom of my hand, I'm much more likely to simply raise the hand to avoid the touche and then counterattack to the arm than attempt a parry. But what about an actual attack to the leg or foot? The 2 parry as demonstrated would have no chance of stopping such an attack, simply because the parallel blade would miss. That's why you always teach that parries have to have an angle to them.
Finally, I don't have to rotate my hand back to the supinated position to make a riposte from 2, unless I have to go to the high line of my opponent. Normally I would keep the hand pronated to riposte to the abdomen or leg.
Raising hand when opponent aiming at the bottom of the hand? Are you kidding? this is a perfect way to get hit, since you are exposing it. You need to move your bell guard DOWN, which will block opponent's attempt to hit your hand or arm.
About riposting to abdomen or leg - it depends how tall you are and how tall is your opponent.
@Rjevsky Fencing , nonsense. If I aim for your hand, from any line, it has to be where I expect it to be in order to score. You aim for my hand when it is in on guard, and I raise it high and extend for counterattack, and you expect to follow it up for a touche? Not a chance. I'm not raising my hand to make it easy for you, like I'm giving you a beginners lesson. I'm looking to score on your mistake.
I wanna know! Can you use a head parry for épée or is it just not worth it at all?
Most certainly, if you are fast and the situation allow you to make a holding parry, where you can transfer your tip at opponent. It comes handy at core to core.
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I've got an unfair disadvantage fencing epee, my right hand's too big for a pistol grip! XD My last 2 fingers are exposed! XD Do ya think the bell guard will protect my whole hand if I use a, err.. French grip?
+mrwizzardknight normally yes
also look into different pistol grips..there are many sizes and varieties.
The French handle may be a solution but before changing it should probably be checked for distance. H.Bormann (DE) was not tall with a pistol grip and he won against taller fencers with french handle.
@@arnaudchauffaille7270 I’m looking forward to doing fencing again at the new club I’ll be going to on the 7th of June! 😃 I haven’t been doing it in over two years! XD
It’s gonna cost me a fortune but who cares!? I can train twice a week there, I can afford it just no more going to the gym, I don’t really need the gym anymore and best of all, there are more épéeists for me to play with! 😃
@@mrwizzardknight unfortunately I don't teach in England yet; I am waiting for answers from clubs in GBR
his knees goes over his toes so many times
Practically yelling at this guy to put his bloody mask on!!!
Hi Bob. We aimed to have a controlled session for purposes of the video. Coaches were given guidelines for maintaining student/coach safety. Thanks for watching
beautiful
I don't think he is an epeeist, we usually do a modified octav that is faster. This move is too slow for my liking, your opponent needs slow footwork for you to execute this.
The only problem is the master isnt really attacking. So what the fencer is defending? a fake attack?!
The Master is creating a routine with wrong tempo and time. All the rest good, nice video ;)
Ps: Exercises without mask on youtube isnt nice also.
is it a joke ?