THIS is why you're SLOWER in open water
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Open water swimming often requires a bit of different technique if the water isn't calm and flat. In this video I'll show you the two main things that can help you transfer your pool swim times into the open water using a different style of freestyle.
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Agree completely! As an open water specialist I use this technique all the time.
I’m a novice swimmer/ triathlete with under 2 years of swimming experience. Through practice, consistency and videos like this I’ve taken my pool FS 100m down from 2:00+ to the 1:14. For longer sets of 500m to 1km I’m just under 1:30 on the pool BUT during every single race or practice open water swim I’m always stuck at 1:50 to 2:10. And that’s with a wetsuit. I live near a lane so I’ve practiced various currents, chop, wind and it’s always the same result. I’m going to have to try this. I also feel like I swim too hard on OW. Thank you for always putting these out, they’ve been immensely helpful.
That’s a big gap between a pace in the pool vs open water!
Strength training helped me a lot
Could be an ill fitting wetsuit.
Or bad current!
I'm excactly the same, easy 1:30 per 100m over 1 or 2k in the pool, OW 1:50per 100 over the same distance. I assumed it was the streamlining off the walls making the difference, can't wait to give this ago.
Interesting stuff! Also a question: Can you do a video on the Ocean Walker tecnique? All the best broseidon
Perfect timing! I doing my first triathlon in a few days and I tried this technique you shared. This information was so helpful and I wasn't having any challenges breathing and I was a little faster - thank you
First of all, I am glad it isn’t just me! I really struggle to translate my pool times to the open water. I’ll be giving these tips a go this weekend 👍🏻
100% agree and use this technique. While I still swim a titch faster without an wet suit vs with, it has helped immensely with getting close to the pool times. Always great content!
Your channel has helped me so much man, Thank you!
Thank you so much for that. In particular thank you for the suggestion about having my head further out of water for breathing. Will keep persevering!!
Thank you so much your videos have made me a better swimmer 🏊♂️ I practice the drills for warm-ups great programs I really enjoy very much
Video really is an eye opener👍
Thank you. Sounds good.
Really helpful thank you
Thank you 👏
Experienced swimmer (competitive swimming in my youth ... symmetric stroke style is engrained in me). Just tried this style yesterday. Compared to the exact same workout from a week ago (symmetric stroke), I was about 2 seconds slower per 250 yards and swolf was about 1 or 2 points higher. However, I do feel this this style will definitely help in open water - as I always struggle to maintain a 3 stroke/breath rate in races.
What about kicking? That aerial footage looks like they are only doing 1 beat and some pros barely use their legs, seem to just be dragging them! Are all those kick drills in the pool necessary?
Katie Ledecky, David Popovichi, Yuri Prilukov use an asymmetric stroke in the pool. Florian Wellbrock and Ferry Weertman use the front quadrant during open water swims. For me it is more convenient to swim in open water with an asymmetric stroke.
Asymmetric, it is hybrid, isn't it?
@@Gtvalt9788 Yes it is.
I like the way you explain, it makes a lot things more clear to me. I really need the video's too , that makes it even more clear. I began freestyle late in life . I find the breathing part the most difficult and discovered through your tips that i didn't keep my head straigt while breathing so is got neck problems. With a snorkle i did well but i have to learn to swim longer without it. I learned in training to breahte both sides but i see many just breathe on one side. So, i quess it is not so bad to breahte on one side?
Good observations, but there's no explanation of why these two elements--high head and asymmetrical stroke--improve things. How about this? These two techniques work equally well in the pool. The greatest swimmers of all time use this loping stroke: Janet Evans, Michael Phelps, Jason Lezak, Katie Ledecky, Bobby Finke, David Popovici. The asymmetrical rhythm is a RED HERRING. What is critical about this stroke is the vertical movement. This explains both the high head and the asymmetry. What people keep pointing out as errors in the likes of Phelps and Ledecky are the reason why they go so fast. What about going vertical makes you fast? Try an easier question: Why is going vertical so successful in other strokes? The butterfly was invented as a faster way to do a breaststroke--by going over water. The breaststroke ca. 1990 then started going very high on the recovery. There is obviously some benefit to going high in the water with an undulating body movement. If you know the answer for those strokes, you would know it for the freestyle.
You're onto something with this lengthening of body tendons and an increased serape effect with the long side stroke. But what about the force benefits of vertical movement? Potential energy is associated with falling from a height. In dropping from a high head position downwards, a lot of potential energy is going somewhere... Use your cool new force devices to figure this out and make a million bucks!
I'm a very new swimmer. I had a coach watch me briefly and told me I had a "gallop" in my stroke (in the pool). I think this is what she was referring too - longer on the breathing side. Good to know this will help me in the open water. Thanks Brenton!
Some elite swimmers do that. Even gold medalists
Good timing! This is my first year of open water competition, and in my first race I had a 100 yd. split 15 seconds slower than my long distance pool split. I hunted down multiple problems over the summer, but the most important thing was to stop trying to do "long, beautiful swimming pool freestyle" and just go back to the galloping stroke that feels natural to me, with an emphasis on good catch position and higher turnover rate. Last weekend I raced a 2.5k and got the discrepancy down to 6 seconds per hundred and placed third in my age group (it was a thin field, but I'll take it).
Related question: is there a name for those buoy turns where you roll onto your back and make a sharp cut to the side? I remembered moving that way from water polo, and I did all the sharp turns that way in the 2.5K. I swear I gained two body lengths on the nearby swimmers every time I did it, and it's actually what kept the next-fastest swimmer at bay in the final 500m of the race. It would be cool to see a video on those (and get a decent name for them -- I just call them "water polo turns" for now).
Next: I'm racing in the ocean for the first time in two weeks!
Thanks for the awesome content. -- Zak
Corkscrew turn
What is the song with the piano during the intro? It’s really good!
PS thanks for the great video!
Thanks for the video. I’ve tried to implement this in my own swimming (without any coaching or having seen this video). However it always appeared to me that the breathing side was shorter and the non-breathing stroke longer since you are in a more streamlined positioned and could get more out of that stroke? Any truth to that? I guess I will need to reverse my timing…
Thanks for the video and explanation. Every week go hit to open water and try techniques that i learned from your channel. swallowed water a lot. cant break 2.25 for a km. next time will not force to front catch. For inhaling what if i rotate too much like 60-80 degree? I just wanna be under 2min pace. with 1.59 wanna go 10-20km non stop. Should i push hard with low stroke rate? i have nobody to watch me no swimmer friend no uw camera only swimming trunk
I am intrigued by the style of kicking shown in the footage. Could you comment on this, maybe in another video?
interesting, it's something I naturally do and was trying to correct. i.e. I was trying to stop being uneven and have a more symmetrical stroke. I'm definitely much more front quadrant, almost catchup on the breathing side than I am on the non breathing...unless I pay attention to being more even.
Is this technique a combined method in freestyle swimming? The breathing vessel is body rotation and the opposite side of breathing is no rotation
What is the song that plays during the swim footage? Love it.
Thanks as always Brenton. Your videos are an inspiration. Every. Single. Time.
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This definitely works in openwater.
It's a "nicer" rythym to hold, so my form stays good for longer and that equals a faster average pace.
Brendon, why is bilateral breathing what is deemed good, but yet no good (1:35 p/100) breathe on both sides. Should I switch to 2 stroke breathing. I'm 1:45 p/100 swimmer, bilateral preferring every 4. What you think?
I always breath bilaterally on open water unless the winds don't allow it. Maybe I need to change that?
I was always wondering when you would start discussing open water swimming. It is different. For starters, open water swimming typically has a lot of drafting. Swimming through bubbles requires a distinct type of stroke that looks nothing like a "perfect" pool swimming stroke. It is kick driven, involves more body rotation and shorter on the reach. Why? Bubbles and feet from the swimmer in front does not allow the same sort of catch since there is literally less water to catch. Plus, the best draft position is to the side and back ... or directly behind causing optimal body positions to be more rotational (with a gallop-like look) rather than "swimming flat". Either of those locations have minor but important shifts in swimming technique. Would be nice if you interviewed a professional open water swimmer/coach.
How would you adapt on a 3 stroke breathing rhythm? I really got used to it in all distances and it feels way more comfortable for me as a 2-stroke rhythm. Would it be then a short-short-long or rather a short-long-long rhythm? Or whatever works best?
swimming an asymmetric stroke with uneven breathing doesnt really work IMO. short long long is really hard to get into a good rythm. With 2 stroke breathing you can get into that "galloping" feel
My question is similar to Michael's. I do what I'll call 3 stroke bi-lateral: stroke, stroke, breathe left. Stroke, stroke, breathe right. It would probably be extremely confusing to gallop that way, but what do you think Effortless Swimming?
I'm a natural galloper in open water, and I always breathed twos only on the right. Recently I've had a shoulder injury force me to breathe left more often as a reminder to "give my recovery more space" on the left side; i.e, it helps in getting more rotation to that side, so I don't put my shoulder in a dangerous position. I still use a galloping stroke, but ideally I breathe 10 on the right, then breathe 10 on the left, reversing the long stroke on the gallop. (in a race context it's more like 5 on the right, sight, 3 on the right, 5 on the left and repeat . . . or I'll just forget to breathe on the left for 500m then try to make up for it)
The guy in the high level view also kicks very little, and when he does, he kicks down, say with his right foot, but is pulling with is left arm. I though it was supposed to be kick down and pull on the same side.
So basically just a horse or a lope style ??? But with a tad more lift?
My pool is so busy there are 100% waves and chop 🤣 this has helped me though to not take a mouth full 🙃
This has become a giant problem for me. Pool threshold pace around 1:10 /100 scy and comparable in lcm pool swims. I get in the open water and I’m closer to 1:30. And that’s in calm water. I was a college swimmer and have talked to several people about this and no one seems to understand why I have developed such a discrepancy.
These 2 advices was not executed by Wellbrock, who won the last Olympics 10 km open water .. he was swimming exactly like in the pool .. keeping head very low and swimming symetrically
Interesting. Although looking at the olympic champ isn't necessarily a good barometer of what everyone else should be doing.
How to stop turning in open water??
How can we help develop our OWS technique and breathing when we only swim in open water 5-10 times per year? Water park wave machines? I'm down to 1:39s/100yd in the OW, only 2-3 seconds slower than pool swimming at the same distances, but I can say that my stroke in the pool and in OW are so different that don't know if I'm improving my OW stroke when I'm in the pool.
david popovici😉
Weirdly playing waterpolo my whole life, age 6, I developed a stroke exactly like this
I'm actually slower in the pool😢😢
Interesting
Im actually faster in open water
Always have been
Whoever's is reading this, I pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is to be fine and that everyone has a bright future ! Amen