Big R Rough Ryders that are relatively safe in my collection

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  • Опубликовано: 12 дек 2024

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  • @matthewrix2164
    @matthewrix2164 2 года назад +3

    Love that white bone canoe you flashed - no r no pinch no shield no swedge - pure elegance and function without razzmatazz!

  • @ThriftyKaniffy
    @ThriftyKaniffy 2 года назад +6

    The "RT" rectal thermometer. I named it as such because it rubs people the wrong way. It certainly saved me money in disqualifying knives I may have otherwise purchased. The new chapter of its phase out is already among us. I look forward to reflecting on my collection one day and thinking, "Remember when these bolsters were all anyone could complain about". Next it'll be the underliners or swedges or too much micarta. They'll never please everyone, but it's hard to argue they stuck with the "RT" far too long.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад +1

      Don't get me started on Micarta, inappropriate blade swedge, and the inexplicable use of half stops on some knives that just seem weird with them. As for the underliners - well that just a cheap way to hide gaps; but it usually works so I can live with that.

    • @tonyrome655
      @tonyrome655 2 года назад +1

      Yep, the RT has saved me a lot of money as well. Most Rough Riders have always been just a bit over done with the embellishments, like the designer just didn’t know when to stop.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад +1

      @@tonyrome655 , that’s a good way to sum it up.

  • @ihopetowin
    @ihopetowin 2 года назад +2

    I don't blame you. I can live with the "Big R" provided it's not a bad strike. I've seen pictures of badly struck R's and it makes me nervous to buy so I try to avoid them.

  • @matthewlilley2193
    @matthewlilley2193 2 года назад +7

    Excellent take on the subject. I personally don’t dislike them all I just take issue with them trying to add too many embellishments to what seems like every knife. Sometimes less is more, I don’t feel like every knife needs pinched and threaded/ringed bolsters, a shield, a blade etch, etc. A lot I wish were clean and simple like that white smooth bone canoe you showed. Just my preference.

    • @danielrobinson7872
      @danielrobinson7872 2 года назад +1

      The newer models of the cinnamon bone stag blades look really good. I hope they start taking steps towards this with more of their knives.

  • @n8ram413
    @n8ram413 2 года назад +2

    I more recently got into collecting knives. More of the modern type folders to be honest. But I always saw my grandfather on both sides of my family with traditional slip-joint knives and so there’s a special place in my heart for traditional knives. I was also gifted a trapper by my uncle at a young age and to be honest I thought it was ugly at first but given time I really started appreciate and love that knife. For that reason, I’ll always like trappers because it was basically the only nice knife I had at that time. But I put it to hard use and unfortunately, I have not been able to locate it so it may be lost forever. Anyway, your videos have really peaked my interest in traditional knives again and I have picked up a few different budget brands of traditional knives and your advice is great. Especially for someone like me who is newer to collecting these kinds of knives, it’s nice to try out some of the different patterns or types on the budget brands (especially since you pointed out some of the patterns are only made by the affordable brands anymore). I am considering buying a nicer Case knife to kind of compare to but so far I really like the rough riders, Boker knives, and I ordered a frost knife that looked pretty nice to try their knives out. In my searching, the rough riders are great looking but those Big R’s have been a huge detractor for me. I think the issue is it starts to fall into the sort of modern marketing techniques like apple putting an apple on everything and makes their knives feel more assembly line instead of each knife feeling like it was specially made for you. That’s really the attraction I have to these knives is every knife seems different in many more ways than modern knives. 67% of modern knives are a big machined blade between two sheets of black G10. I still like modern knives for separate reasons but hopefully rough riders gets away from the big R. Fortunately, they still have a lot of knives that don’t use it. Thanks for your advice/videos!

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад +1

      Sorry to get back to you so late. This was one of the most thoughtful replies I've seen in a long time. I was especially taken aback when you said the following about the Big R: " I think the issue is it starts to fall into the sort of modern marketing techniques like apple putting an apple on everything and makes their knives feel more assembly line instead of each knife feeling like it was specially made for you. That’s really the attraction I have to these knives is every knife seems different in many more ways than modern knives." Thanks again for the kind words!

  • @Semitotal
    @Semitotal 2 года назад +2

    Never seen that pen blade trapper! That's right up my alley. Thanks for showing these all.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад +1

      Some really nice knives in the group. So many more that I skipped on because of the R SMKW lost out on at least $300 from me because of the Big R. It doesn't sound like much but I'm sure there were others who also passed on knives because of that R

    • @Semitotal
      @Semitotal 2 года назад

      @@KnifeChatswithTobias I don't hate the big R as much as other people, but it doesn't have to be on every knife! I'm going to hold off on RR until it's gone.

  • @JollyPeanut
    @JollyPeanut 2 года назад +7

    The Big R was great for other knife manufactureres 🤣I bought all kinds of knives from Frost etc rather than RR because of the Big R or looked like RT to me.......I own plenty RR with the ugly big R but i would have owned a lot more if the bolster was blank or had something nice looking on it like the horse shoe or anvil or even the back to back RR I can live with that...Any way I am glad they are phasing the RT out...Good topic Thanks TG

  • @skcamerican
    @skcamerican 2 года назад +3

    Right on! Exactly. It’s an embellishment, and should be used sparingly. I wouldn’t want to see the clover or fluted bolsters on every single knife, either. You’re taking a huge step, purging your collection of a lot of knives. Wow. I salute your commitment to your principles.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      I really just couldn't handle it anymore. One or two series was one thing. But it turned into a 7 year old with a ketchup bottle.

  • @janetowens7288
    @janetowens7288 2 года назад +3

    I am all in favor of curating a collection. People would rather keep a knife they don't care for because they don't want their collection to shrink. That's not collecting that's hoarding. I recently gave my granddaughter about 50 knives of all shapes and sizes and brands. I like to keep my collection at about 100 knives so when I upgrade a knife I already have the new knife goes in and the old one comes out. This was an excellent topic for a video. Thanks.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад +1

      And I have indeed been hoarding not collecting. Part of that comes with the territory if I'm also running a RUclips Channel and I don't own a store. But it is getting out of hand. Some things need to go. You are right -when does collecting become hoarding would make an excellent topic?

  • @BigRedEDC
    @BigRedEDC 2 года назад +2

    The R never really bothered me but the bolsters do look much better without it!

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      Putting it on just about everything was what bothered me. Just way overboard on the branding and trying to set them off from the other knives. Not every blade needs a half stop. Not every knife needs a big R. And, seriously, I like a swedge on a blade but some blades are just more useful without it. I didn’t mind the R so much as I minded the over use of it. As I’ve told others - it was like giving a 7 year old a bottle of ketchup. It one thing to put ketchup on a hamburger. But the 7 year old will put it on his chicken, pork chop, and New York Strip!

  • @MrBarlow
    @MrBarlow 2 года назад +1

    The black and blue saw cut bone is one of the most beautiful covers in my opinion. I want the b&b Congress

  • @felinebline7154
    @felinebline7154 2 года назад +1

    That blue saw cut is breathtaking its the prize of my collection. A beautiful object. Think Fabrege Egg!..
    Its a slam dunk class of one!

  • @andrewp.schubert2417
    @andrewp.schubert2417 2 года назад +1

    Another great review, thanks Tobias. You are right there is no need for over branding. One brand per knife is best.

  • @jimmyj4811
    @jimmyj4811 2 года назад +2

    How many different Medium Toothpicks are there? I'm surprised you don't like the Copper Swirls, those and the Celestials are two of my favorites.

  • @WilliamsKnifeLife
    @WilliamsKnifeLife 2 года назад +5

    Great topic Tobias. It is strange because on some knives the R doesn't bother me, but they put it on everything. It's like someone was personally invested in that slant R bolster. Even on a Barlow, the horseshoe Barlow stamp looks good. But an R with a badly done design that makes it look like a big T is not only annoying, it's confusing. Are you Rough Ryder, or Robert Townsend?
    Fortunately they listened to our complaints & are starting to remove the big R.
    Yes, I did butcher one just to remove the branding, but I am not going to do that to all of them. I have too many of them. In some instances, to remove the R, you will be grinding into the blade pivot pin. I wouldn't recommend doing that.

  • @propblast82nd
    @propblast82nd 2 года назад +1

    TC from SMKW said the R on bolster will be gone, I like that !

  • @felinebline7154
    @felinebline7154 2 года назад +1

    Interesting. I really like the big R on that black and blue Elephant toe!

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      As I’ve said a couple time one one or two knives or to represent a series - the R isn’t that bad. It’s when you slap it on everything. It’s like Ketchup and 7 year olds. Ketchup belongs on a Hamburger but a 7 year old will Put it on A New York Strip if you let them.

  • @davidkurle5418
    @davidkurle5418 2 года назад +2

    Awesome video! I like the reasons behind the ones you decided to keep. The big R never really bothered me, but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing some of the new knives they will be making. Cheers, buddy!

  • @slick_slicers
    @slick_slicers 2 года назад +5

    I don’t like the big R, but I’m not so bothered by it. Certainly doesn’t bother me as much as inappropriate shields on precious cover materials. That High Plains 5” is really nice. I certainly prefer the big R to a shield, if it’s either/or.

  • @Zen_Ali_123
    @Zen_Ali_123 2 года назад +2

    I'm on team Reject.
    Picked up the cinnamon stag carbon copperhead last week, my first RR since 2019.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      Been There. Pretty much gave up on any of the new ones. I've filled in some gaps on older patterns.

    • @Zen_Ali_123
      @Zen_Ali_123 2 года назад +1

      @@KnifeChatswithTobias the new carbon doesn't have the R.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      @@Zen_Ali_123 , I know. Looks much better. Also lacks the questionable Damascus steel

  • @phononut
    @phononut 2 года назад +2

    I'm waiting for them to put three R's on the Reserve lineup. 😁

  • @jimrowland6089
    @jimrowland6089 2 года назад +3

    SMKW was talking about less of the Big R in a recent video. Cinnamon bone with no big R is looking pretty good and I ordered one to see it in person. I have been avoiding the Copperhead pattern because I'm afraid I will like it and will need all of them. We will see what the Cinnamon Bone Copperhead does to me.

  • @jdnotariano
    @jdnotariano 2 года назад +2

    I would much rather a more subtle bolster marking if there must be one. I agree save the R just for a certain series. It needs to go at this point. I hope they see this. Are you listening SMKW? Lol

  • @name5949
    @name5949 2 года назад +1

    Mr Tobios happy st Patrick's day i love all your irish song's on your playlist there all the very very same as mine go figer thanks

  • @larrydye6374
    @larrydye6374 2 года назад +4

    Big R is especially jarring on a small knife like the Cub series. I prefer the Queen City Cubs---even without swedged blades ---because they have clean bolsters.

  • @WVKnifeEnthusiast
    @WVKnifeEnthusiast 2 года назад +3

    I really enjoy Rough Ryder knives. They are hard to beat for the price point. But, I think the Slanted R bolster is too much. Either have a shield on the knife or a special bolster. Both makes the knife too busy for me! RIP Slanted R bolster, you won't be missed by many..

  • @wizardofahhhs759
    @wizardofahhhs759 2 года назад +3

    I wish they wouldn't put matchstrike pulls on every knife.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад +2

      I'm also tiring of that but it isn't the deal breaker that the R is.

  • @Checkmate1954
    @Checkmate1954 2 года назад +1

    The new RRR Rhino Toe looks like the new GEC #36 Toenail Clipper I want both. The Tidioute has a cool trumpeting elephant shield. I remember when you won the CC series.
    Thanks Tobias

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      The GEC was out of Stock as fast as I received the emails. Not worth the chase.

    • @Checkmate1954
      @Checkmate1954 2 года назад

      Wow, it’s already come and gone. I didn’t know. I guess I’ll have to pay $200 on the secondary market if I want one. Thanks Tobias

  • @danielrobinson7872
    @danielrobinson7872 2 года назад +1

    I’d like to see the cub in one of their series that uses carbon steel.

  • @redlock4004
    @redlock4004 2 года назад +1

    You are very generous, great videos.

  • @jeroenvoss6231
    @jeroenvoss6231 2 года назад +1

    I'm glad to say farewell to the Robert Townsend bolsters, not getting rid of the ones i have, because i bought them for other reasons then the bolster. But the new models will look so much better without the big R.

  • @jerseyknifeguy6382
    @jerseyknifeguy6382 2 года назад +1

    I said from day one!!!!! I thought that R on the bolster was silly and made the knife look very cheap!!!!! For years I’ve been saying I hate the R on the bolster but I kept buying them because I truly liked the knife!!!!!! So now I have 1000 rough Ryders on the bolsters but there is a solution get your dremel out and sand it off!!!!! And it looks good william showed me!!!!! But t get rid of my collection that’s out of the question I have way too many and slowly but surely I’ll fix all my knives!!!!! Stay well Tobias

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      I really don’t thin removing the R really makes the knife look much better. The bolsters have a funky look and are not matched unless you do the same to the non-monogrammed bolsters.

  • @jessetembo1979
    @jessetembo1979 2 года назад +2

    The Big R does not bother me too much, but I won't be sad to see it go. I can understand what they were shooting for here, to give these knives something that makes them uniquely Rough Ryder at first glance. While it does achieve that goal, its also the thing that stands out most at first glance whenever you see the knife, and not in a good way. Take the Black Widow series for example - I think they have a really cool design, but whenever I see the knife my eyes instantly gravitate towards that garish Big R. I'm hoping they might re-release some of these knives, even if its limited, once the Big R is retired.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      Yeah, I'd like to see the Black Widow Toothpick again without the R! Same with most of the knives in the Brown Stagbone series.

  • @lewisgreenway5065
    @lewisgreenway5065 2 года назад +2

    I think the big R has dented sales of Rough Ryders people were voicing their opinions and looks like manufacturer took notice, certainlly put me off buying some of their models.

  • @theprestriedge4657
    @theprestriedge4657 2 года назад +2

    I just ordered the RR cinnamon stag bone Barlow …No R.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад +2

      That’s the revised run without a the Damascus blades. Everything about that run is better!

    • @theprestriedge4657
      @theprestriedge4657 2 года назад +1

      @@KnifeChatswithTobias Yes Sir

    • @phononut
      @phononut 2 года назад +1

      @@KnifeChatswithTobias I've got the Barlow and the quality is not as good as the first series.
      The spring is pretty weak and the coloring of the bone came off when I was wiping it down.

  • @gizmocarr3093
    @gizmocarr3093 2 года назад +5

    I think over use of the “R” turned people against it more than anything. I like some of the older stamps better. Having match strike pulls on everything gets a little tiring as well. I also wonder why SMKW sell other brands like Queen City and just use Rough Rider models they just stamp Queen City. I would think; they should make Queen City models more like Queen City models looked like and not like Rough Riders. Over use of branding makes a knife model less attractive than more on a lot of knives. If you stamp the bolster and add a shield is more than needed to show the maker of the knife. One is enough for me.✨🥂✨🙂

  • @terrillschneider3778
    @terrillschneider3778 2 года назад +1

    Not a huge fan of RR anyway but as a Diemaker it hurts my heart to see a piece of pretty metal crushed like that with a stamp

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      😂. That’s a good way to put it.

    • @terrillschneider3778
      @terrillschneider3778 2 года назад +1

      @@KnifeChatswithTobias
      Engraver’s artistry has by and large been replaced by cheap stampings as a cost-savings measure and it’s a shame
      Enjoy your reviews pal

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      @@terrillschneider3778 , you are so right. I actually went into this a while back in one of my videos. about sales pitches. Laser engraving and a machine cut back springs do not add the same value to a knife that genuine scrimshaw work, file working, etc. does. And people need to be savvy enough to separate the wheat from the chaff. Lord knows the retailers are going to hit you with a sales pitch, not the truth. Yes, at times it may look great but it is still mass produced. Collectible? Sure anything is collectible. But there is a difference between a Collectible item and a Collector's item. ruclips.net/video/KYxbMItM_JA/видео.html

  • @peterpuleo2904
    @peterpuleo2904 2 года назад +1

    Have you checked out the "RRR" Rough Ryder Reserve series yet? I think they want to create a "high end " line.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      I have checked it out and have done a few videos on the four that I have bought. In all, I'm not overly impressed. They seem to be made in the same factory as Brother knives. They're not bad. The problem is you're paying about three times the price of a standard Rough Ryder so you can have Chinese D2 steel instead of Chinese 440A. (plus a metal tube and a cleaning cloth.) Perhaps is everything wasn't in Micarta, I'd have a higher opinion

  • @peterpuleo2904
    @peterpuleo2904 2 года назад +1

    Have you done a review of rating of traditional knife manufacturers , best to worst generally in your opinion? I read recently that "Old Timer" has slipped badly in quality.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад +1

      The problem is exactly what you pointed out. I'd have to go with an "in general" approach. My feeling is that QC waxes and wains over time. A prime example is Bear & Son. At one time their QC was awful but it has definitely improved. I will see what I can do. It would be an interesting video.

    • @peterpuleo2904
      @peterpuleo2904 2 года назад

      @@KnifeChatswithTobias All of us will enjoy it.

  • @Cameron_OKG
    @Cameron_OKG 2 года назад +1

    Have you seen the new single blade barlow with no Big R ?

  • @StephenWorth
    @StephenWorth 2 года назад +3

    I don't really care about the bolster R. It's certainly not enough to make me avoid well made and inexpensive knives like Rough Ryders. I can totally see avoiding knives that aren't functional... For instance, I see absolutely no purpose to knives that are safe queens. If you are afraid of damaging it by using it for its intended purpose, it isn't worth having. Art is art. Knives are tools.

  • @felinebline7154
    @felinebline7154 Год назад +1

    I have yet to own a toothpick and you've interested me.
    I could use a super Budget one ....

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  Год назад

      You're in luck Rough Ryder has come out with three of them this year! They range in price from $12-$20

  • @koke1467
    @koke1467 2 года назад +1

    Saludos desde Chile i🇨🇱🍷

  • @shoresharp8349
    @shoresharp8349 2 года назад +2

    Tobias you should email smkw, and tell them to hire you to design rr knives for them. The big r is to much, it makes the knives look gawdy cheap. There's a elegance to a clean look imo.

  • @censusgary
    @censusgary 2 года назад +1

    What does “RT” stand for, anyway (at least, it looks like “RT”)?
    If they’re going to stamp initials on a bolster, shouldn’t they be “RR,” for “Rough Ryder”?

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      RT. Robert Townsend, Rectal Thermometer, Reject This, Repulsive Turd,

  • @aribbonatatime
    @aribbonatatime 9 месяцев назад +1

    I like the R on the bluster. I seem to be the only one though. At least everyone on RUclips hates them 😂

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  9 месяцев назад +1

      Actually, it was/is quite popular with many Rough Ryder fans. My feelings were it was overused. It should’ve been reserved for selected series and not used on every knife.

    • @aribbonatatime
      @aribbonatatime 9 месяцев назад

      @@KnifeChatswithTobias I get you. I just think it looks good so I'm not unhappy seeing on a lot of knives. But yes, if they put it on every knife it would be a bit much to be honest.

  • @paulquinn4704
    @paulquinn4704 2 года назад +1

    I have a few with thebig R bolster, but I can't stand it now & will never buy another with it. no matter how much I want the knife, it just spoils the look . In fact I now display my big R knifes show side down .

  • @WiseSnake
    @WiseSnake 2 года назад +1

    For me, I can live with the Big R, though I wouldn't miss 'em if they were discontinued. However, the blade etchings, I cannot stand blade etchings.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      For the most part I'm with you on blade etches. I talked about that in a different video: ruclips.net/video/1op5yB_-mhI/видео.html

  • @bearlynormalwetshaver1894
    @bearlynormalwetshaver1894 2 года назад +2

    Aside from a barlow, branding on a bolster seems out of place & overstated. A single shield that identifies & represents the brand can (IMO) be very classy. We are a very brand conscious country. We identify w/brands, but "billboarding" often times blocks the design integrity and just seems wrong. If I saw a quality painting with the artists signature in two places I think I'd pass. Once is enough.

  • @bookofb2098
    @bookofb2098 2 года назад +2

    It makes them look tacky.

  • @gareygerosky8030
    @gareygerosky8030 2 года назад +1

    The big R ruins the knife for me.I just won't buy one even if I like the knife

  • @peterpuleo2904
    @peterpuleo2904 2 года назад +1

    Yes, Remove the "R".

  • @littlemouse7066
    @littlemouse7066 2 года назад +1

    they are cheap and built decently so I don't care about it.

    • @KnifeChatswithTobias
      @KnifeChatswithTobias  2 года назад

      There are plenty of other inexpensive knives that are also well made so I will choose those over a knife that doesn’t look as nice, including other Rough Ryders.