TxDOT Dallas District - I-345 recommended alternative flyover video, May 2022
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2024
- As part of an ongoing feasibility study for future improvements to I-345 in Dallas, this video shows possible options from a recommended alternative concept. A virtual open house is available at www.keepitmovingdallas.com/I345.Comments must be received by June 27, 2022.
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so much concrete and asphalt. TEAR IT ALL DOWN!!! 🚆🚆🚆 train time
In my opinion, and for better pedestrian connectivity the project should be reconfigured to include the strategic covering of sections of the highway, similar to the existing and planned deck parks in Dallas.
Camron Springs
Ankunding Creek
This is what I submitted to the public comment site:
From what I’ve seen, a mountain is just as divisive as a canyon - an overpass does just as much to divide a neighborhood as a trench. Looking at the current render, I have to wonder how much of the talk of “uniting” downtown Dallas with Deep Ellum is just lip service. Who will actually want to cross a sidewalk with traffic on one side, and a long drop onto 10 lanes of highway traffic on the other? Will there be unsightly fences and railings to prevent accidents? The only way to make the “Recommended” option walkable will be to deck over everything from Canton to Pacific. Otherwise, we will have dug a massive trench and built bridges that no one walks across, that connect nothing. Like the bridges connecting downtown El Paso across I10, or the Shops at Legacy to Legacy West, they will be empty, liminal monuments to the misunderstood idea of pedestrian traffic.
Furthermore, I believe that the traffic analysis neglects the elasticity of traffic demand, as well as the movement of jobs that will occur when a half square mile of prime downtown real estate is no longer occupied by pass-through traffic. Will South Dallasites really need to commute all the way to the other side of the city when they can find more jobs and more economic activity downtown? There doesn’t appear to be any analysis of 2nd- and 3rd-order effects.
Finally, I’ll close by saying that young people, tech companies, and the economic activity they bring look for vibrant, cultural areas to set down roots. No other downtown is as choked off by highways as Downtown Dallas. My friends who work in finance and tech routinely discount Dallas as a viable option because our downtown doesn’t live up to its potential. The area between downtown and Deep Ellum could be even more of an economic engine than Uptown and Oak Lawn, but it will forever exist in the shadow of the 345 as long as we prioritize traffic patterns over people.
I love the thought of DART Rail running parallel to Central Expressway in the video illustration or any other major highway in Dallas County. This is sorely needed, because if a Dart Rail line could run parallel to I20, I30, I35E, or I45 in any capacity at elevated or median levels like Chicago's CTA Transit Rail system does, this could take a lot of pressure off the highways by adding more rail options with park-and-ride stations in or near the business parks, entertainment districts, residential areas and industrial parks. This needs to be done before some these area get saturated with growth making it impossible to add future transportation infrastructure.
This looks hideous.
where are the people walking around enjoying their livability? what is the point of a city if it's just built for cars to drive through it...
So we bury the highway to only have more roads above? This is the ugliest and dumbest proposal. If your going to bury it, make it walkable and eye pleasing like klyde warren park.
Klyde Warren was privately funded
Bogisich Burg
You're trying to hit all 3 targets and really accomplishing nothing that people want
The design is good, but instead of the openings they should cover it like they did with Klyde Warren. The open spaces would scare pedestrians
I love it!
Ceasar Chaves Blvd really ruins the whole concept for me
This is the treatment the I-45 section (Pierce elevated) in Houston downtown needs: to be depressed instead of completely being removed.
I do believe they’re looking at removing it entirely and rerouting it along I10 & I69?
As someone who walks from Deep Ellum to Downtown on a weekly basis, this DOES NOT look pedestrian friendly. I would much rather walk underneath a raise highway then over a bridge with a highway below.
I'd rather deal with no highway at all
Narrow Cesar Chavez, cap some of the new lowered freeway lanes, and it may feel walkable. I agree, this design looks like they are converting it to the same condition as the current I-30. I would never walk across I-30 in its current state. As 345 exists today, you do get a bit of shade as you walk to Deep Ellum.
I would rather not have to cross an exit ramp. This is way more pedestrian friendly because the whole idea is later they can cover it if they want and build a park
I foresee the opportunity for deck parks. You know dallas loves those
@@BenriBea I'd rather deal with no walking at all.
How’s this try letting the land have no freeway at all for 10 years readjust some of the exits on 45 to go onto 30 and keep some to connect to downtown or stop it on mainly exits around south Dallas. Then after 10 years if there’s a need to build such a freeway then go ahead and build it but I don’t see what is wrong with experimenting removal of a freeway. If people are unsure answer the question for them, what would happen if we just got rid of the freeway.
It would be better if the entire freeway was depressed and covered. So, development could be built on top. That way you don’t have to see it and it will actually physically connect the area.
the interstate definitely will be covered on top, but i assume they didn’t include the decks just for this simulation to show the traffic flow
@@Davis9754 Thanks for the info! It would’ve been a wasted opportunity if they didn’t cover it.
It’s tough to load building on an unsupported structure. Highway would need to be built for building load. Likely won’t happen
@@Lb-dj7tc (sigh) this is why i want them to completely remove interstate 345 and not turn it into a deck park tunnel. we need more room for non-park development
@@Davis9754 Tearing down 345 is not an option. Period. You can move traffic with a depressed format and still have some overhead development just like with Woodall, and they did very well with that. Would you rather spend more time on an overcrowded Stemmons or East RLT??
This is a horrible decision, making what was already a bad situation even worse. Rather than using this as an opportunity to stitch together Downtown and Deep Ellum for pedestrians, it only further divides them. Klyde Warren Park had to address the horrible scar left through the city separating downtown and uptown. Now the city will once again put it on private development to fix (and replace with luxury dev.) the horrendous decisions made by traffic engineers and city officials.
This NEEDS to be a cut and cover highway. it NEEDS to be underground or hidden to a major degree. do not cheap out on this, do not make the same mistake so many other American cities have made, one day it'll need to be cut and covered, and it'll likely come at a much higher cost than if it were to be done altogether in the near future. See examples in Boston, Montreal, Seattle... even in Philadelphia, where residents have been calling for years to cap the vine street expressway, to no avail.
Dallas today needs to build for the Dallas of tomorrow. I hope the city makes the right choice here. If that happens, and all of the surface parking lots/unused spaces are turned into retail, housing, and gathering places, dallas will have a really special urban core, especially by southern standards.
Really should bore a couple of tunnels. The tunnels for Mill Creek are large enough for two lanes each and much longer, so it can be done,though perhaps moving that well east and connecting with 30 away from downtown would benefit the whole region. Meet back up with 45 further south.
they say removing the interstate will cause massive congestion. look at what seattle did with their alaskan way viaduct, they closed it for three weeks and nothing bad happened to traffic! they should try that and see if an absent i-345 will really cause traffic nightmares.
and also some information to everyone here: the interstate will definitely be covered up after construction finishes. the decks aren’t included in this simulation because they want to show us the traffic flow.
This would be an amazing idea
@Davis9754 Seattle is not Dallas.
@@case139 true, the coordinates are different, but we are talking about a downtown urban core of a very populated city. I’d love for you to elaborate on your thought
You are DEFINITELY full of shit.
60+ new car lanes and not a single bike lane in sight. No plants for shade and noise protection for people who prefer to walk. For fucks sake.
"Free Rights" should not be part of a downtown surface street. It is not safe for pedestrians. The current and future free rights on and designed for Cesar Chavez should be removed. Free rights harm walkability, increase speed and generally prioritize cars over people in a downtown environment. Cesar Chavez is over-designed in its current width. It is designed for 2 hours a day, not the other 22 hours in a day. Allow for on-street parking; where it is not needed, and take it down to a 4-lane boulevard.
This is such a disappointment. Please do not do this. The original proposal to make an at-grade boulevard was soooo much better, not to mention cheaper, than this monstrosity. PLEASE do not do this.
As a Dallas Resident. Please tear it down and make it at grade. Don’t burden future generations with this expensive and polluting infrastructure.
This priorities of pass trough traffic should not be prioritized over residents. Route this traffic through 35 or around Downtown
As not only a Dallas Resident but one who lives right by this I can tell you that Tearing it down and putting it at grade would be a traffic nightmare
@@hvquenzer most people could likely adapt by using 35, Woodall and I-30. The traffic nightmare could act as a catalyst for businesses to locate there due to the difficulty traversing through peak times. Additionally, it could spur massive demand for public transit like Dart in Key routes. The tear down should not be immediately, so this infrastructure can come in. Ultimately it is a sacrifice that will be easier now then in a generation if car dependency continues unabated
@@Lb-dj7tc That would not work because then the people using 35, Woodall and I-30 to would cause those Thoroughfares to become even more congested than they are now. Moreover, no amount of public transit is going to be able to replace cars in an area like Dallas where everything is so spread out where people need to carry large items or children. Not to mention the fact of having to wait on a train to show up at the station. The reward isn't worth the sacrifice
@@hvquenzer the reward of a quiet, walkable, clean, urban city center is worth a small amount of traffic delay for people that want to drive through it
@@MattHavener Its actually not going to make a big difference on noise/cleanliness, and it wont be a small delay. A city can be walkable without having to delete car lanes. Also, we can't have 99% of the commuters in cars held up for the 1% who want to ride bikes
Just give us a damn bullet train already
Send these people to prison
I think this is the best we can expect from TxDOT... at least there's tons of great spots for new deck parks
@MrCzechTexan They can do some tweaking with the pedestrian areas, and I'm sure that that will be addressed before we get to the final design.
Every problem is a capacity problem and the solution is always more roads! TXDOT at work!
@@Lb-dj7tc eww I hope this is sarcasm
Bless their hearts.
Why does TxDOT have so much power and control over this? There's like ten other departments I can think of that should have a say.
I get why it makes sense to depress it and remove the extra exits, but why also widen it in the process? And all whole not at least cover part of it since that's the primary motivation to make it depressed in the first place?
Love it!
You love stupidity
@Eric Allen Jett I do, too. Let's give this thing a chance. TXDOT knows what they're doing. In Dallas, we have to get around and heavy freight has to also move, as well. You can't do it effectively with just side streets. Dallas must continue to move. All the anti-freeway goons would rather we be stuck in traffic, and that's the only "solution" THEY have.
@@case139 Stuck in traffic or Use public transit. Freight trains can move around the urban area not through it.
TXDOT is a joke of an organization that thinks every problem can be solved with More Roads. They have a constitutional mandate for this so it’s not entirely their fault. The mandate needs to be refined to include other modes of transport
Gross
that look a lot nicer, safer and commutable. by lowering 345 would give Downtown Dallas a better look and feel, but in order for it to work there need to b more than 3 lane hwys and 1 lane on and off ramps, dallas is a vast growing city and it need to start thinking that way when it comes to these roads, there needs to be at least 4 to 5 lanes on the freeway, 3 lane services roads and 2 on and off ramp lanes and 1 trolleys each direction connecting downtown to deep ellum
Great ideas in this vid, TXDOT! I like what I'm seeing. Movement continues while depressing the freeway and terrific interchange ideas. This CAN work. Plus, I still want to see I-45's corridor extended past Dallas and on to Tulsa. Spread the word.
More highway building is not smart and enables really unsustainable patterns. TXDOT has no ideas other then making highways and it’s the last think the City needs dividing Downtown and Deep Ellum. We should be prioritizing dense and sustainable development over car dependent suburban. Additionally there are highways to Tulsa from Dallas. Take 75 to 44. It works just fine
@@Lb-dj7tc If you'd rather get clogged on I-30 and I-35E, then go right ahead. Have fun. TXDOT is coming up with solutions, and, no, they're not going to please everyone all the time. Tearing down Dallas' arteries is NOT an option. Sorry.