I love the card, and allows you to get those moments where you can play things like tech cards. But it also allows the more toxic decks to have contingency plans, without having to mess up the consistency of their deck. It's part of the problem with the game, being able to do everything with every deck and not be punished for it.
Ngl I think it wouldn't be a bad core set card at all, weapon removal is more common these days, and summoning a void Lord by turn five really isn't that impressive. I think it would be totally fine if they brought it back for us old heads 🤔
@@kaitoshirogane5563 My main point was as you said, playing when Skull of Guldan was released is now being an oldhead. Like, I played this game since Naxxramas, and saying it's been 5 years made me realized how much time has passed because if you asked me, I would've said Skull of Guldan is relatively "new" card.
What I personally don’t like about shadowstep is I feel like it constantly leads to the same degenerate style of decks for Rogue….any combo card or battlecry worth its salt becomes abused to no end because of that card. And it would be nice to see Rogue get some more interesting tools for one year.
Of the four OG old gods, only N’Zoth would he playable, and it’d be in armour-spam Arkonite Crystal decks. Yogg is too unreliable and too slow, Y’Shaarj is in a similar boat and doesn’t have TGT’s Recruit packages or Barnes to help him, and C’Thun is just a mess.
I would really like to see Sir Finley, Sea Guide back in standard, it hurts whenever a vital card for your deck is at the very bottom and there is no way to draw it out ever since they removed Dredge.
The legendary rush minion that gives linrams from the past should also discount by 1, it would be a solid buff for libram pally. But unfortunately libram gets destroyed by all the broken decks out right now. Cycle rogue, otk buff hunter, asteroid shaman, unkiliax druid, ect.
I think something cooler than Steam Cleaner or Geist would be a new tech card that destroys "Cast when drawn" cards. It could be put on a minion with good stats and it would only punish the autocast decks without harming potential archetypes like ones that shuffle cards into decks that need playing, less punishing towards the Espionage from Perils in Paradise for the memers out there.
Tech cards shouldn't just win a match up. I hate asteroid shamans but steamcleaner geist or what you suggest is just bad for the game. My take would be. "Battlecry:draw 5 cards from your opponents deck and then return them to your opponents deck."
@@Asle_Kaspersen 99% of the deathknights play helya since that card has basically no restrictions (for some reason) i'd love for steamcleaner to be put in standard. Easy e.t.c band member.
As everyone seems to be picking broken cards to warp the meta, bring back the entirety of United in Stormwind to the Core Set. Alternately, load the Core Set up with bangers like River Crocolisk and Spider Tank.
I would prefer if they made new cards like they did with Gnomelia. Because what's the point of cards like Mariel if they don't find a place in any deck? Or at least update the cards like they tried in Caverns of Time.
I think cards in the core set should be focused more on the main two or three archetypes for each class. No need to complicate things, just help support the main archetypes
I would love for shadowform to be reverted to its previous state and I don't even think that would be run in shadow priest as a 3 mana do nothing upgrade your hero power but it would be so great on the fun factor.
Tony, King of Piracy would be nice to see staying available in Standard, its just an amazing hard counter to Asteroids/Incindius Shenanigans. Also Algalon and Kologarn, though id be nice to not have Kologarn available for discovery with Marin, that's just insane mana cheat/value
They essentially need to put aggro and a few control cards. To kill combo. And zeddy we cant add aoes and buff them we need less as those help combos. Since those reduce the board
Rotation is always a great change of pace. C tier decks get to shine. The meta game oddly gets slower due to less then optimal cards in decks. Likely due to fewer cards in the card pool. And best of all, old cards return!
My top pick is brings more Draenei to standard. That tribe needs more support. Bringing the cavern of time cards to standard would be interesting. Especially the shaman hero card.
I think Platebreaker will need to be put into the core set as a way to counter these massive armor arkonite starship decks. They may still have to nerf the defense crystal, but this will help. Massive armor decks will be broken and hated at some point next year, whether it is Druid, warlock etc. and they only run defense crystal.
I think bringing back bomb warrior would be great, for a whole year or until it’s not great considering they’re losing that annoying ogre with brann as well. Honestly, as long as they don’t get the amazingly terrible idea to bring back the normal Brann like they did previously for a season or whatever then I think whatever they do to switch up the corset would be great. Hell, give me that murloc that draws a dragon and let me do Dragon paladin again.🎉
I would like to see most of the charge minions leave the core set especially since the power level is getting lower and they keep pushing handbuff/libram paladin.
Snowflipper is my favorite 0 cost because he gave me my second legend ever... Tinyfin might be cute and I I played him a lot in murloc shaman... But snowflipper was the guy who helped me getting legend
no, this card is just unplayble garbage anyway. C'mon, spending whole turn just to remove armor and then do nothing is soo bad. Oppoinent will just say "ah, ok" and stack another godzillion armor afterwards
I would love to see Xyrella back in for priest. She's a draenai card that is an amazing control tool so why not? Heck bring back Murozond, anything is better than Catrina or lazul
Skull is low power level compared to current cards. You’d have to buff it for it to see any play at all, and even then, it would maybe just be a decent card.
I don't like the idea of making the Core set out of cards that revolve around a specific strategy like Jace or Librams. Since the idea of the Core set is to be a set of core cards that can help fill out your decks. The more niche a particular card is, the less likely it will actually be playable because it's unlikely that its specific archetype is going to get supported in the future sets.
Ehhh kinda fair but GDB Libram Paladin is really a limp noodle without the old Librams helping it. Even just Libram of Hope would do it a world of a good, I think.
@@MinoriGaming Yeah and either they'll print more Libram support in a future set... Or Librams will get pushed to the wayside in favour of their new cards and archetypes. Either way, adding anything Libram into the core set won't really do much outside pushing this one deck post-rotation and will be entirely useless for any other Paladin deck.
Jace isn't small niche at all though because like more half of DH (and warlock) spells are fell spell anyway. That's like calling Tess in Rogue too niche. It's different question whether he'll be good or not but there is no way he won't get more spell due to nature of class.
@@allhailderpfestor4839 He's niche in that the fel spells need to be relevant in replaying. If DH has mostly just board clear/card draw fel spells (Which is what they currently have, with the few damaging fel spells rotating when the core set update occurs), then Jace would be useless. Jace was only run because the entire strategy around him involved OTKing with a bunch of replayed face damage/attack boost fel spells. Tess in Rogue is also niche. The fact that the only use she's had since she's been in the core set has been to use Maestra to become another class so Tess will replay Step/Breakdance to put herself back into your hand while also tossing out some Health Drinks (And even then, this entire strategy has been meme tier at best) is indicative of that. So even though Rogue has had plenty of "Burgle" options, she's still a niche card.
I don't think anyone pays attention but the HS team removes cards that NEED to be there becuase they plan on releasing the same card but ...again but change the name tweak the numbers but in essence does the exact same thing like all the weapon removal cards and the silences.MANY cards are repeats this is what happens when a game like this goes on too long they run our of ideas. The CORE set should have the answer cards that all classes need such as silences weapon removal but we need a lot more I'd like to see counters and what I call pre counters/mechanic eliminations.So obviously it would be tough to eliminate battlecries but we could ahve a card that says counter the NEXT battlecry played.The reason we need cards that PRE counter is becuase the game has no intraction there is no stack so everything is a free no risk play aside from the VERY few times you run into Mage counter or Hunter call that only works on spells.
Zeddy is complaining about mana cheat constantly but wants Skull of Guldan back, all the creators are trying to get away from HS, its going to be rough, but most of the old ones are gone. Board removals are too easy, even defile is too weak. They need to rotate all this horseshit and start again, or they will be dead.
None, because Standard players ruin Wild cards. Let Wild be Wild cards and only introduce NEW cards to the core set like Blizzard has done the first time.
I mean, I understand that shadowstep and prep would completely win the game after rogue would play it, but really what would be the class identity? Just pirates? Or only weapon?
Sherazin would be be so dead without a prep and shadowstep. Xaril stats are fine. Like Sonya is a 4 mana 3/3 and have a 100% winrate when played. So what's wrong with 3/2?
Why does rogue have to be identified as either the combo otk deck or the pirates hyper aggro deck? How about doing rogue/thief type of things, some of which it did before but now as an archetype, why not steal cards (I mean copy not actually steal that mechanic is annoying), maybe some sort of poison mechanic that slowly trickles down your opponent or their board? They can do some fun stuff with rogue, nobody enjoys playing against hyper aggro face decks, and few people enjoy facing OTK. They should give them interaction playstyles.
Have actual room for different and strong cards to be printed. Having shadowstep and prep has restricted Rogue’s card power budget for a long time. Time to move on.
the way theyre going theyre gonna put the demon seed in the core set
I'd actually be interested to see questlines come back for a month like they did before The Dark Beyond with Renathal for a month.
@@Vanetrik yeah it would be interesting to see just how much spit in their face can hearthstone players take before they finally leave
I don’t think any other card has made me want to uninstall hearthstone more than that God forsaken quest…..
It would absolutely go against the design direction they're trying to set up, wich means there's a high chance it does lol
It would be awful since most of the cards the wild deck uses aren't available in standard
Obvs the real best (0) mana minion is Eonar
E.T.C needs to be an core for all time , side deck is pretty good .
I love the card, and allows you to get those moments where you can play things like tech cards.
But it also allows the more toxic decks to have contingency plans, without having to mess up the consistency of their deck. It's part of the problem with the game, being able to do everything with every deck and not be punished for it.
no
3:10 When he said "It's been 5 years" since Skull of Guldan, I felt something...
Ngl I think it wouldn't be a bad core set card at all, weapon removal is more common these days, and summoning a void Lord by turn five really isn't that impressive. I think it would be totally fine if they brought it back for us old heads 🤔
@@kaitoshirogane5563 My main point was as you said, playing when Skull of Guldan was released is now being an oldhead. Like, I played this game since Naxxramas, and saying it's been 5 years made me realized how much time has passed because if you asked me, I would've said Skull of Guldan is relatively "new" card.
I would love to see steam cleaner or Geist put back into the core set. I despise asteroid shaman and would love a way to punish that brain dead deck.
And their neutral buddy since they refuse to add x per game on cards.
What I personally don’t like about shadowstep is I feel like it constantly leads to the same degenerate style of decks for Rogue….any combo card or battlecry worth its salt becomes abused to no end because of that card. And it would be nice to see Rogue get some more interesting tools for one year.
Hearing the Sherazin music was so satisfying, and it wasn't annoying because it wasn't a voice line.
Having some neutral big impact minions for lategame to encourage having lategame would be cool. Bring back the 4 OG Old Gods.
Of the four OG old gods, only N’Zoth would he playable, and it’d be in armour-spam Arkonite Crystal decks. Yogg is too unreliable and too slow, Y’Shaarj is in a similar boat and doesn’t have TGT’s Recruit packages or Barnes to help him, and C’Thun is just a mess.
Big minions from the last 5 years are just druid cards that hard ramp for it , or payoff cards to be mana cheated out.
I'd love to see the primes again
I want the DK heroes back. Frost Lich Jaina was my favorite card back in the day. Super slow now, I know, but idc, lol.
@@GatsbyCioffi Won't happen, they are releasing hero cards in the miniset.
I just realized Chromies Historical Epochs are drawn like in the old Hearthstone days, cool attention to detail
Their artworks are taken directly from the WoW TCG
Steam cleaner would fix a lot of the uninteractive crap the devs have created last year.
I still a year later despise them letting Catarina stink up the priest core set for the entire year while taking away Benedictus.
Putting Corina and not printing a single undead worth resurrecting was certainly a decision
With DK getting Kerrigan and the Zerg/minion swarm theme in the mini set, id honestly love to see Marrowgar return to fit that at Rotation.
I would really like to see Sir Finley, Sea Guide back in standard, it hurts whenever a vital card for your deck is at the very bottom and there is no way to draw it out ever since they removed Dredge.
Bring Harrison Jones back.
Steamcleaner and Skulking Geist would be nice to have in standard. Need a response to scam decks.
Imagine yogg and badlands reno in the core set i think there would be riots
I will uninstall the game if those stay. I'm so sick of those cards
if that happemd who want to visit poland with me
In all seriousness OG and dark moon Yogg in core set would be so fun
@JS06-h5d Let me spin the Wheel, dangit! Heck, put all the Darkmoon OGs into the core set (Of course then we'd need the corruptibles too, lol)
Just remembered when they announced the 2025 expansion the first one about the emerald dream mentioned the old gods
The legendary rush minion that gives linrams from the past should also discount by 1, it would be a solid buff for libram pally. But unfortunately libram gets destroyed by all the broken decks out right now. Cycle rogue, otk buff hunter, asteroid shaman, unkiliax druid, ect.
I think something cooler than Steam Cleaner or Geist would be a new tech card that destroys "Cast when drawn" cards. It could be put on a minion with good stats and it would only punish the autocast decks without harming potential archetypes like ones that shuffle cards into decks that need playing, less punishing towards the Espionage from Perils in Paradise for the memers out there.
Tech cards shouldn't just win a match up. I hate asteroid shamans but steamcleaner geist or what you suggest is just bad for the game.
My take would be. "Battlecry:draw 5 cards from your opponents deck and then return them to your opponents deck."
I missed steam cleaner since that card ldft standard
yeah it was so fun because back then EVERYONE was playing plague death knight, felt like a surge of bots only everyone was players
@@Asle_Kaspersen 99% of the deathknights play helya since that card has basically no restrictions (for some reason) i'd love for steamcleaner to be put in standard. Easy e.t.c band member.
Ungoro was a top tier and probably one of the most fun expansions
As everyone seems to be picking broken cards to warp the meta, bring back the entirety of United in Stormwind to the Core Set. Alternately, load the Core Set up with bangers like River Crocolisk and Spider Tank.
I would prefer if they made new cards like they did with Gnomelia. Because what's the point of cards like Mariel if they don't find a place in any deck? Or at least update the cards like they tried in Caverns of Time.
I think cards in the core set should be focused more on the main two or three archetypes for each class. No need to complicate things, just help support the main archetypes
The tribal N'zoth would be really cool. Honestly ETC staying is what I want the most though.
I would love for shadowform to be reverted to its previous state and I don't even think that would be run in shadow priest as a 3 mana do nothing upgrade your hero power but it would be so great on the fun factor.
Theyre gonna make a core set with all cards that can kill the enemy from hand combined with the most possible removal cards
Tony, King of Piracy would be nice to see staying available in Standard, its just an amazing hard counter to Asteroids/Incindius Shenanigans. Also Algalon and Kologarn, though id be nice to not have Kologarn available for discovery with Marin, that's just insane mana cheat/value
Daaamn I really liked Xaril, but he always needed a buff to be meta
They essentially need to put aggro and a few control cards. To kill combo. And zeddy we cant add aoes and buff them we need less as those help combos. Since those reduce the board
Honestly i want some cards to be 100% in coreset like renathal, ETC and all anti cards like anti secret, anti taunt and so on
Rotation is always a great change of pace.
C tier decks get to shine.
The meta game oddly gets slower due to less then optimal cards in decks. Likely due to fewer cards in the card pool.
And best of all, old cards return!
My top pick is brings more Draenei to standard. That tribe needs more support.
Bringing the cavern of time cards to standard would be interesting. Especially the shaman hero card.
I think Platebreaker will need to be put into the core set as a way to counter these massive armor arkonite starship decks. They may still have to nerf the defense crystal, but this will help. Massive armor decks will be broken and hated at some point next year, whether it is Druid, warlock etc. and they only run defense crystal.
also shadowform getting back mindspike at 3 damage, (to a minion at least)
i think we are going to have old dk hero cards because because dk is the only one who have a hero card unless for 1 more year
Getting some in this miniset
@Bouncybear7 i forgot about that
I think bringing back bomb warrior would be great, for a whole year or until it’s not great considering they’re losing that annoying ogre with brann as well. Honestly, as long as they don’t get the amazingly terrible idea to bring back the normal Brann like they did previously for a season or whatever then I think whatever they do to switch up the corset would be great. Hell, give me that murloc that draws a dragon and let me do Dragon paladin again.🎉
We need other 0 cost tribe minion like Draenei and Naga
Xaril could be 2 Mana 2/2 and it would be fine tbh. It's a 1 of and the effect isn't even busted.
I would like to see most of the charge minions leave the core set especially since the power level is getting lower and they keep pushing handbuff/libram paladin.
Priest im wishing for Identity Theft and other Thief Cards. Its insanely fun to have value bombs and win by using or taking the opponents wincons
Snowflipper is my favorite 0 cost because he gave me my second legend ever... Tinyfin might be cute and I I played him a lot in murloc shaman... But snowflipper was the guy who helped me getting legend
Let’s shake things up!
They need to put all the cavern of times cards in standard now
platebreaker, would be nice anti armor tec
no, this card is just unplayble garbage anyway. C'mon, spending whole turn just to remove armor and then do nothing is soo bad. Oppoinent will just say "ah, ok" and stack another godzillion armor afterwards
@@sirdragdord701 Murmur
Platebreaker
Alex
dmg invocation legendary
easier with the hunter location
Probably Brann. Can't go a year without him in some way, now can we?
Murloc tiny fin 100%. The murloc tag alone is worth at least 1 mana.
If hagatha the witch shaman hero card comes back ill go back to play Hearthstone again
Realy would love demon seed in standard
get the real prophet velen back with mind blast, since a t10 otk is now required for every deck
I would love to see Xyrella back in for priest. She's a draenai card that is an amazing control tool so why not? Heck bring back Murozond, anything is better than Catrina or lazul
I just realized how many cool cards are leaving, like etc. Hope he sticks!
Steamcleaner/Geist => YES PLEASE!!!
I'd like to see more banned cards in wild, voted by players.
saying get rid of shadowstep and bring in Sherazin is so hypocritical
Bring back circle of healing and cleric also buffs overhead
No point in suggesting dead cards. We want nice things to stay like ETC & bring in Steam cleaner please.
ETC is nice but I feel like it should take a break for a year at least
For someone who hates mana cheat he sure suggested a lot of mana cheat. Turns out shadowstep is balanced.
Serrated Bone Spike needs to come back for Rogue
Shadow step : Cost 2 less this turn
I think they will put colossals.
Bring back risky skipper so rogue main can mald more
Plate breaker. Illgynoth. Demon seed. Guff. Silas darkmoon. Old innervate. Unnerfed patches.
Wanting shadowstep to leave is a HUGE L take 😂
honest answer is chameleos, duh, it can be anything
Control cards because there were barely any all year
Yup
Bring Back Knights of the Frozen Throne Heros.
yeah, hard pass on ETC in the core set. If you want to play a card then put it in your deck. Just way too much flexibility with a card like this
There's an emerald dream expansion, yeah? Why not give Druid Breath of Dreams back and let them be all Ysera centered?
Hear me out. Shifter Zerus in core set 2025.
It's been a while since the last update of this year, when will we have the mini set of cards available for this update?!!
4 shadow steps btw.
Zeddy: Reduce Powerlevel
Also Zeddy: Bring Skull of Guldan back and buff it!
Why Zeddy, why? Nerf more stuff instead of buffing sheit again xD
Skull is low power level compared to current cards. You’d have to buff it for it to see any play at all, and even then, it would maybe just be a decent card.
I don't like the idea of making the Core set out of cards that revolve around a specific strategy like Jace or Librams. Since the idea of the Core set is to be a set of core cards that can help fill out your decks.
The more niche a particular card is, the less likely it will actually be playable because it's unlikely that its specific archetype is going to get supported in the future sets.
Ehhh kinda fair but GDB Libram Paladin is really a limp noodle without the old Librams helping it. Even just Libram of Hope would do it a world of a good, I think.
@@MinoriGaming Yeah and either they'll print more Libram support in a future set...
Or Librams will get pushed to the wayside in favour of their new cards and archetypes.
Either way, adding anything Libram into the core set won't really do much outside pushing this one deck post-rotation and will be entirely useless for any other Paladin deck.
Jace isn't small niche at all though because like more half of DH (and warlock) spells are fell spell anyway.
That's like calling Tess in Rogue too niche. It's different question whether he'll be good or not but there is no way he won't get more spell due to nature of class.
@@allhailderpfestor4839 He's niche in that the fel spells need to be relevant in replaying.
If DH has mostly just board clear/card draw fel spells (Which is what they currently have, with the few damaging fel spells rotating when the core set update occurs), then Jace would be useless.
Jace was only run because the entire strategy around him involved OTKing with a bunch of replayed face damage/attack boost fel spells.
Tess in Rogue is also niche. The fact that the only use she's had since she's been in the core set has been to use Maestra to become another class so Tess will replay Step/Breakdance to put herself back into your hand while also tossing out some Health Drinks (And even then, this entire strategy has been meme tier at best) is indicative of that. So even though Rogue has had plenty of "Burgle" options, she's still a niche card.
Hey Zeddy, everyone here again! 😁
Benedictus yes please.
STEAM CLEANER MY BELOVED
Dudes powder is enough to buy blizzard
I don't think anyone pays attention but the HS team removes cards that NEED to be there becuase they plan on releasing the same card but ...again but change the name tweak the numbers but in essence does the exact same thing like all the weapon removal cards and the silences.MANY cards are repeats this is what happens when a game like this goes on too long they run our of ideas.
The CORE set should have the answer cards that all classes need such as silences weapon removal but we need a lot more I'd like to see counters and what I call pre counters/mechanic eliminations.So obviously it would be tough to eliminate battlecries but we could ahve a card that says counter the NEXT battlecry played.The reason we need cards that PRE counter is becuase the game has no intraction there is no stack so everything is a free no risk play aside from the VERY few times you run into Mage counter or Hunter call that only works on spells.
Zeddy is complaining about mana cheat constantly but wants Skull of Guldan back, all the creators are trying to get away from HS, its going to be rough, but most of the old ones are gone. Board removals are too easy, even defile is too weak. They need to rotate all this horseshit and start again, or they will be dead.
一費傳說 芬利 探底換牌 so good ~
Think Jace and skull would still be good in this meta especially skull at 5 maybe bring Jace to 7
If you feel like i've earned your subscribtion is such a nice way to say this
Geist and ETC would be cool
Anyway make Breakdance and Caverns core for Rogue and Shudderwock for Shaman.
Also Ice Block and Demon Seed.
All old gods back pls hearthstone
Either all Old Gods from Whispers and Madness, or at least one set. And please bring back the OG DK hero’s for the love of God.
Old gods, Ungoro and Mean streets should come back, idk why they haven’t yet
shadowstep and preparation
I would love to see the original Yogg Saron make a comeback in the core set. It's my favorite card of all time.
Rogue destroys Hearthstone.
Talking a lot? More like ranting a lot! 😂
I want Renathal and C'Thun the Shattered
Thank you
i just want mana wyrm
Hot take: I want Helya in.
None, because Standard players ruin Wild cards. Let Wild be Wild cards and only introduce NEW cards to the core set like Blizzard has done the first time.
Strange comment
What would rogue do without shadowstep and prep? Suck? Like most Combo cards would be useless, what even the class going to be?
I mean, I understand that shadowstep and prep would completely win the game after rogue would play it, but really what would be the class identity? Just pirates? Or only weapon?
Sherazin would be be so dead without a prep and shadowstep. Xaril stats are fine. Like Sonya is a 4 mana 3/3 and have a 100% winrate when played. So what's wrong with 3/2?
Why does rogue have to be identified as either the combo otk deck or the pirates hyper aggro deck? How about doing rogue/thief type of things, some of which it did before but now as an archetype, why not steal cards (I mean copy not actually steal that mechanic is annoying), maybe some sort of poison mechanic that slowly trickles down your opponent or their board?
They can do some fun stuff with rogue, nobody enjoys playing against hyper aggro face decks, and few people enjoy facing OTK. They should give them interaction playstyles.
Have actual room for different and strong cards to be printed. Having shadowstep and prep has restricted Rogue’s card power budget for a long time. Time to move on.
Bring Ironbeak Owl back. at 2 cost not 3
Keep crying about shadowstep monkey
Not saying runi for paladin is insane