BAND OF BROTHERS REACTION | PART 8 (The Last Patrol)
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Band of Brothers is an acclaimed 10-part television miniseries (first aired in 2001) about World War II, co-produced by Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks. Much of the action of the mini-series centers on the exploits of Easy Company of the 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, U.S. 101st Airborne Division and one of its early platoon leaders, Richard Winters. It is based on the book of the same name written by historian and biographer Stephen Ambrose.
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No spoilers, but highly recommend 1) don’t make plans for right after watching next episode, 2) keep tissues at hand.
Looking forward to next one! It’s going to be an interesting one as far as reacts go.
The whole series is great but when I think of the series three episodes come to mind: "Curahee", "Bastogne" and "Why We Fight".
"Why We Fight" is by far the most emotionally draining episode of the whole thing. Prepare yourselves accordingly.
It is so wild watching these reaction videos, when others get to Episode 9 and how it catches them off guard.
@@fallofcamelot Same except I would actually swap out Bastogne for The Breaking Point. As much as I love Eugene, I think Breaking Point did a better job at giving everyone some VERY important and memorable scenes. From Spiers kicking ass, to Winters having to watch his men get plucked while he stayed in the back, to Lipton really coming into his own, not to mention Bill and Joe going home together, and Buck just... So much happens in a single episode, it's unreal.
@@ablationer I think the Breaking Point is a great episode but for me the image of Eugene ripping up the nurses headscarf for bandages will always stick with me.
They promoted Winters because he was acting as the Battalion Commander as a Captain. That position is normally held by a Lieutenant Colonel. with the Battalion XO being a Major. Battalion XO is the role he initially got moved into in Episode 5 (when he left Easy). I guess at some point between then and now he was moved again into the Battalion Commander role. At the time due to manpower shortages it was common for people to hold positions meant for a higher rank, and only get the official promotion until much later. This happened all the time, for example a Company commander on paper is supposed to hold the rank of Captain but both Spiers and Winters were Easy Company CO when they were still Lieutenants.
Brevetting is the term. You could be a 1st LT. then Brevetted up 3 ranks because of attrition. Only to have it taken away and dropped to 1st LT again.
Sorry, but I've seen this WAY too many times, it is spelled S P E I R S, not Spiers. The man deserves his name to be spelled correctly.
@@badsekt0r1121 Maybe you and I could put our heads together over a few weeks and figure out a way for you to make a bigger fuckin' deal about it.
And just to be clear, in case anyone is confused, a battalion consisted of three companies, so 1st Battalion was companies A, B, and C, and 2nd Battalion was companies D, E, and F, and 3rd Battalion was companies G, H, and I. That's why you see Winters, as 2nd Battalion CO, working with members of D and F companies in addition to E Company (such as when he commanded Speirs from D Company to take over E Company command). The Regiment (commanded by Col. Sink) consisted of all three Battalions, plus a HQ Battalion. Each company, at full strength, was around 140 soldiers (although of course you seldom see that many at one time on screen). Because of replacements and casualties, by the end of the war over 340 soldiers had served in E Company. Each company consisted of three or more platoons, which were usually headed by a 2nd Lt. (the lowest ranking officer in the Army).
you havent been watching episode 5 because if you did you would know that why winters was promoted is because maj horton was killed, and winters was a solid tactision and a good leader.
the cool thing about the actor who 0lays Malarkey is that he also does voice acting. he's the voice of Steve on American Dad
Trivia Tom Hanks IS in Band of Brothers. This episode, the soldier crying for help across the river, is uncredited but it is the senior Hanks
By the way, the third German soldier who was left behind at the bank was voiced by Tom Hanks
Colin Hanks' character was there to illustrate that, this late in the war, they were cycling through new officers solely for the purpose of checking the "combat experience" box before pushing them up the ladder to "bigger and better" things.
The situation with the two translators (Liebgott getting to stay) - You guys read into that completely differently than I always have. My take on it is that Webster tries to get out of going because they "don't need two translators", Martin catches him and tells Liebgott to stay back. To me all the looks on their faces show that's what happened, and it goes hand in hand with Webster doing everything he can to avoid the front / seeing combat. The look on Websters face as he mentions it, the stern look of Martin as he listens and the smirk that Liebgott gives Webster as a "nice try, fucker".
I don't think so.. Webster is doing what he can to get back into good graces. He does what he can to get Malarky out of the patrol, for example.
@@misterkite The facial expressions don't really support that, but I guess people are going to read into it differently. I think Webster was portrayed as a bit of a coward. In fact, it has been claimed in real life that he never did anything voluntarily in the army, which supports my view. He went to war to document it, not to fight.
I always thought the same, too.
That's how I saw it too
I think they don’t spoon feed it to you, leaving in some ambiguity so the audience can make up their own minds. I see Webster as being smart and not volunteering (unlike Blythe at the end of episode 3 in Carentan) for anything dangerous, but not trying to get someone else killed either on a bogus mission. It is Liebgott that offers him a hand up on the truck at the end of episode 8, and that sends a message of “no hard feelings”.
great reactions from you two. so glad that young people still exist that realize and appreciate the sacrifice of them that came before
Great work guys. Thanks for sharing.
" . . . any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind."
They definitely wore helmets on the mission, according to a series review I watched.
Sink's nickname was "Bourbon Bob" because he always passed out drunk by midnight. Sink wasn't reckless, every order he gave during the war meant that men would die and only non-stop aggression would win the war.
In Webster's defense...he was sent to a hospital in Britain...not a field hospital. Tough to get back unless he swam the channel.
Also I don't think Webster did anything wrong to need defense for. He didn't know what he was missing and didn't choose to get hurt. I felt mad bad for him
Please watch the documentary the interviews came from. It's called "stand alone together " it came with the DVD box set and it's in RUclips for free
I think Colin Hanks' character is meant to illustrate how Winters has so much to teach younger officers. West point can only go so far in teaching men how to become good soldiers. There are moments when Hanks is looking to the veterans to learn how to command these toughened men. Handling troublemakers like Cobb must be extremely daunting to newcomers like Lt. Jones. War is a crucible for soldiers and guys like Jones need to have a taste of combat to prepare for the peacetime army between wars. Their experiences would be crucial (sadly) for the next conflict. Note the first reaction shot after Winters' briefing to the men when they realize they won't have to go on the second patrol. It is Hanks' character.
I've read that Lt. Jones got a transfer back to a combat unit at the earliest opportunity; had the potential to be as good an officer as Winters, but was killed in a car accident during the occupation of Germany. If you check you can see Cobb being driven away by MPs at the end; eventually he was court-martialled and got a dishonorable discharge for being drunk and disobeying the orders of a Lt (not portrayed in the series). Winters' decision to fake the patrol could have got him shot for disobeying a direct order in the face of the enemy, but he was not prepared to lose any more men on missions that served no purpose whatsoever. kerk
Cobb saw combat in North Africa before joining the Airborne. So he saw a lot more combat than a lot of the other soldiers and it messed him up.
@@przemekkozlowski7835 I did wonder about that; same as with Dike who got two Bronze Stars between D-Day and Bastogne. He was a regular after all; maybe it just got to him, and he, Dike & Buck broke in different ways. Thanks for the info, kerk
You have to see them for the show. In reality it was dark except for weapons fire.
Lol. 14:15 had me laughing too! What kind of whistles!? lol...
You guys should definitely watch the pacific next, and if you guys like this and that i would say generation kill is another good show that one is about a group of marines in the early days of the Iraq War
The next episode is easily the best and almost certainly the toughest of the series.
I think they clearly fast-tracked Lt Jones (Hanks) up the line to get him out of there where he couldn't get anyone hurt when it could be avoided.
Army Rangers were the most "special" force there was in WW2. At least in the armed forces. There was obviously more secret units in the OSS and such.
that's fair
When are you going to watch the next two!!! I can't wait to see your reaction. Having seen the whole series I love watching you guys watch it. It's sad and happy at the same time. Best mini series, after, Lonesome Dove, ever.
Can’t wait to watch your reaction to the documentary!
Your lack of understanding of the promotion system is hilarious
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Cobb was actually court martialed after his outburst in the basement.
And you can see him hauled away by MPs in passing at the end of the episode
Cobb was an asshole it seems
IRL i think they didn't want to explore the real story. In reality everyone liked him quite a bit and he was one of the more popular members of Easy, but he was a completely different person when drinking, was a complete asshole and a violent one at that. Ended up sucker punching an officer. So I guess turning the character into a whiny douche worked to the same end.
IIRC Cobb was also one of the few guys who had combat experience prior to going into the airborne. I believe he served in North Africa in an infantry company.
@@MandoWookie He did and if I remember my history correctly, he was also on a ship that got torpedoed by a Vichy sub. Again, I am not 100% sure but he was tired of the infantry and thought being a paratrooper would be better.
What Winters did here was extraordinary and a testament to his courage and leadership, it is possibly the bravest action he performed in the war. He specifically takes the briefing and does so alone, absent Spiers and Nixon, so if punishment falls it only hits him as the direct and sole instigator. He disobeys, and orders other men, a direct order, in the face of the enemy, an offence which would certainly have seen him court-martialled and could have seen him executed for disobeying orders in the face of the enemy, literally the one of the most serious charges in military law. He knowingly stands up and takes this risk, completely on himself, in doing so he also displays exceptional leadership, both in preserving his command from a order he sees as wasteful, and in implicitly trusting his men to understand and be silent (not a small task considering soldiers gossip like a retirees bingo circle after a couple of brandies). This moment, more than any other, demonstrates why Winters was the officer he was, why he was held in such high esteem by his men and why Easy company was such an elite and successful unit in a division of some of the very best soldiers in the European theatre.
its the perfect example of moral courage.
@@ryanhampson673 Yes, if I was defining morale courage I'd play this clip, explain it and go, "that, morale courage is that".
I know if I was fighting in ww2. I be a better leader than Winters. I have a brilliant military mind. Strategy and tactics have come easy to me since I was a child. I would go down as a hero, easily.
@@thomasc.5219 Why would you put on display for all of the World to see, your pathetic disrespect for one of the unsung Hero's of WW2 ?
@@thomasc.5219 🤣🤣🤣stfu go back and play hoi4
Airborne was technically "Special Forces" as were the guys in Private Ryan the Army Rangers but like you said they had no one unit for things like Prisoner Capture or Rescue missions. After the war we realized we need troops specifically trained for crazy missions
Exactly. The SAS was the only true SF regiment in ww2
True a lot of patrols like this were ran by regular infantry units, it’s how they gathered their intelligence.
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@@19McCloy91 Sort of, but not really...The US Marines had the Raiders program, a sort of early version of Delta, active in the Pacific theater of WWII, and both the NCDUs (Naval Combat Demolition Units) and UDTs (Underwater Demolition Teams), the original units of what we now refer to as Navy SEALs (though they didn't take the name of SEALs til the early 60s), were active in the European and Pacific theaters respectively. So the SAS were the only general purpose SF unit (since NCDUs were highly specialized for one task) operating in the European theater, but they weren't the only SF unit in WWII.
I think the first formal "special forces" units in the US Army were in Vietnam.
Webster was from a well-to-do family in Bronxville, NY. He could have probably gotten an officer's commission, but his goal was to enlist as a private. He wanted to experience the war from that perspective - his goal was to always do what he was told and needed to, but never to volunteer or otherwise offer to do something he deemed unnecessary. The fact he apparently didn't make an attempt to break out of the hospital before Bastogne, if true, is in keeping with this - he was going to leave when they told him to leave. I think I read someplace there were some comments by surviving vets when the series came out to the extent of "who the Hell was Webster?" "I don't even remember him". Sadly he passed away before the series. His memoir of his experiences is a good one to read - it provides the best account I've seen of the structure and function of, and within, the company.
Yeah, 40 years before the series. He disappeared in 1961 while studying sharks. His death has been the subject of some speculation for decades now.
it's not weird that not all vets remember Webster, they don't all know each other super well, and since he went missing in 1961, he wouldn't have been able to attend the reunions.
It's such a super-complicated character portrayal. There are some comments about how some in the unit considered him a gold-brick, like Liebgott says in the episode, always trying to get out of stuff. But then apparently Ambrose, who wrote the book, considered Webster a sort of warrior-poet and apparently gave a positive illustration of his experiences? So like, yeah, he's not portrayed as someone like Cobb, who ends up in MP detention and drummed out for punching an officer, but he's also not Popeye or Guarnere or Toye, right? And yeah, we're also talking about the memories of people 50 years removed from the event, and 30 years after he disappeared, who knows the last time Malarkey or Guarnere ever saw him or talked to him, or really thought about *him* specifically. Now this dude wants to write a book documenting your experiences, interviews a ton of people about it, then yeah, some people are going to get hazy and skewed in the retelling just based on the passage of time.
I think what Ambrose particularly liked was that Webster had a writer's instincts and abilities and wrote contemporary accounts, rather than 50 years later. His memoirs were a good source of first hand accounts.
One thing to remember also is that contrary to what was shown in the first episode, Webster didn't actually train or jump into Normandy with Easy. He trained with Fox Company and jumped with HQ, before requesting a transfer to Easy after D-Day.
Prepare yourself for episode 9. Make sure you have tissues handy.
Indeed..
Just absolutely heartbreaking..
A spare box would be prudent.
Also, don't make plans for afterwards.
Or three reserve boxes......
4 boxes....will definitely need 4 boxes.
Winters now outranks Capt. Sobel (Giggle). There is an "11th" episode- where they interview the real men of Easy Company. You should do a reaction to that too.
I had read a comment that irl, Sobel losing the company messed with his head so much that he put a bullet through it. Didn't die, but he blew out his optical nerves and blinded himself.
@@lmfao5411 I gather from the book that Sobel had ALOT of problems and I doubt if just losing the Company set it all in motion.
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"We salute the rank, not the man."
My understanding is that Webster's leg wound was severe enough that he couldn't have just got up and returned, even if he wanted to.
yes, there were complications after the leg surgery
I'm pretty sure he was in England.
@@nicknam8478yeah but so was Guarnere back in episode 5 but he managed to bust out
You can’t forget that the 101st was surrounded at Bastone. It was a hard time getting ammo, food and warm clothing to them. It would be impossible to get in there. Plus in the B o B they made it look like the guys were pissed at him. From everything l’ve read they welcomed him back.
He was hit by a machine gun, according to his online information. Whether it was an MG34 or MG42, that's VERY serious. Sure, the Germans used the same ammo in their machine guns as in their rifles, but whereas a Gewehr 41 shoots one round at a time, both types of machine guns fired well over a thousand rounds per minute. Meaning that he was LIKELY hit by more than one bullet close together. He was lucky his leg wasn't sawed off ... let's not forget that the MG42 was nicknamed "Hitlersage" ... Hitler's Hacksaw ... for a reason.
Oooh episode 9 is going to be a slap in the face for you guys! Really hope to see you guys do The Pacific right after this series.
Definitely a must watch, but the Pacific is HEAVY. BoB has brief moments that fill you with hope. By the time The Pacific gets to Okinawa (or Iwo, really) you want to crawl into a hole and never come out.
Fun fact:
Tom Hanks, who was also the executive producer of this series along with Spielberg, was the voice of the wounded German soldier on the riverbank.
Tom Hanks makes another cameo, on screen this time...in the next episode if memory serves.
@@Mark_The_Chemist He is also one of the British paratroopers in the scene celebrating their escape from Arnhem after Easy helps rescue them (the one mission led by Moose)
ruclips.net/video/YTScQdp3emM/видео.html at 2:46, upper left of the shot
And his son Colin is in this episode too.
@@Mark_The_Chemist he was also a British paratrooper , also the French officer who shot german prisoners by the road as easy co.rode by in part 9
Can’t wait to see how Ariana responds to “the” scene in “why we fight”. I’ve seen it many times and I still get fully grown man wrecked every time.
There are so many possible "the" scenes - are you referring to the whole section in general, or really to one specific scene?
@@markpekrul4393 If you know, you know
@@markpekrul4393 Avoid spoilers in the comment section ;)
@@markpekrul4393 There are many scenes but there's only one portion of episode 9 that will really wreck most people...
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I always felt that Lt. Jones was treated the way he was because he was new. And then, once he had proven himself, the men showed the respect due to his rank.
I think the reason Collin Hank's character was promoted is because he was a West Point graduate. Having graduated from the United States Military Academy marks him as likely a career soldier and the higher-ups probably want him to get wartime staff experience.
As for Winters, I think he probably is going to be doing the same job because he was actually of lower rank than his posting. Probably for narrative clarity, Sink calls him battalion commander outside of Foy in Episode 7 which was usually held by a Lt. Col., but I think he was still battalion executive officer at this point which was usually held by a major.
Jones had also been a 2nd Lt for almost a year(about 8 MTHS), beings he graduated June 6, 1944 and the 101st were in Hagenau Feb. 1945.
And in WWII promotions happened might bit quicker than current day.
@@Rhyfelwr03 That's true. I was thinking more about him being moved out of the company.
This was a common practice; get a little combat experience, then pull them back for staff positions so they could be the main officer corp in the post war, peacetime army. In the book, there is a description of a classmate of Lt. Jones who was assigned to another company and in his short time there, he stepped on a land mine and had is foot blown off, thus ending his career.
@@Rhyfelwr03 I agree, and said something similar on another reaction where someone was questioning that promotion. I believe promotion from 2nd Lt to 1st Lt was pretty much automatic, assuming one didn't f-up too badly, after a certain amount of time, and that time got pretty sort during the war.
The book talks about this. Jones was a real person. The point was made that no one was surprised he got promoted so soon because he was from West Point. The officers from WP would be leading the army post war so higher brass like Sink (also a WP grad) were moving them up and keeping them out of the real shit where someone who came up through OCS might not be given the same movement despite being a better leader.
I watched The Last Patrol last night for the first time in years in preparation for this reaction 😄 It hadn't stuck with me as much over the years but damn if that ain't a sobering episode. I think the impact of Episode 9 is so strong that it can overshadow this one but it shouldn't. The writing in this show was soooo good!
There literally isn't a single weak episode in the whole series. Every episode was very essential and told a good story.
Something that Reel history pointed out, you'll notice toward the end of the episode whilst Webster is narrating the catharsis of the episode, Cobb is riding in a jeep with 3 MP's, he had received a Court martial due to his transgressions toward LT Jones in the basement after the patrol. In reality this altercation occurred between Cobb and another LT named Foley. But all in all he got his comeuppance.
Never noticed that before...thanks for the attention to detail!
Foley was portrayed by Jamie Bamber (Lee Adama in Battlestar Galactica), most prominently appearing in Episode 7 when he was leading 1st Platoon into Foy...until Dike called him back because Dike needed to see where he was.
Malarkey went from a kid to a beat down grizzled veteran. The actor did an amazing job.
Col Sink had a visit from what's called "the good idea fairy". IIRC Tom Hank's son plays the son of some Senator or something, hence his going to West Point and just being there a short time. It wasn't uncommon for that to happen so the individual could get their "combat experience" and then move a more safe position. He really wasn't a bad guy.
Reading some of the memoirs and journals of men from Easy, they were actually really glad to have people like Webster injured since they missed combat that might of killed them if they were there. From memory his return had a warm welcome, in contrast to this episode.
The show did alter certain events to show off different aspects of war, this being one of them.
@@nihlify Oh absolutely, Webster treated as an outsider and regaining thay trust through the episode works great.
Webster was treated as an outsider because he always did the bare minimum. He was studying at Harvard (or was it Yale?) When the war started. I think he thought this soldering thing was beneath him (even though he volunteered). He never volunteered for any extra duty etc. Unlike Joe Toy, Guarnere and others who snucked out of rehab early to rejoin the company, Webster took his full time and only rejoined the company when discharged. He was the only original Tocoa member of Easy that did not make NCO by the end of the war.
Uhhhh you need to read more than. Webster was actually hit up by some of the officers and asked him if he'd be willing to accept a battlefield commission both before and after he was wounded. He turned it down because he just wanted to "be one of the guys"
He had a reputation in the company for being smart, adaptable, and calm under pressure!
According to accounts there was a little bit of hostility when he returned, but not like what's depicted in this episode. It was because the others didn't realize how badly he had been wounded. They thought he had minor wounds and had been milking it in a field hospital. In reality he had been wounded pretty badly in the legs by machine gun fire and was sent to a hospital back in England to rehab. The series doesn't depict how he was wounded or his return accurately. Just a couple of the many things they changed.
I highly recomed to watch We Stand Alone Together when you finish the show, it's the docuumentary from the intros, you will love it :)
I think that while Winters was promoted to Major, his position within the battalion and duties were not changed. He as a Captain replaced the Major who was killed in the ambush in Holland.
That officer who was sniped in the neck at Nuenen was a lieutenant, Bull Randleman calls out to him and his rank before he got shot.
@@dubfez_9256 he's talking about Major Horton, who is referenced a number of times but never seen on screen. He's the guy who Luz impersonates to trick Sobel in the first episode. He was killed during a German attack on the battalion HQ around the same time as the battle at the crossroads and Sink informs Winters of that when he is made battalion XO.
Correct. His promotion to major is his rank catching up to his position. Keep in mind it might not have been permanent. They needed to fill that roll, he was the xo, so he got job when there was no one else available with more experience. You can see the rank promotion making his job official.
Definitely prepare yourself for what’s to come. Also hope you guys watch The Pacific after this. It’s shocking the difference between the European and Pacific theaters during the War. Not sure how others would feel, but personally I’d rather be slogging across Europe then dealing with Islands hopping in the Pacific.
Modern US Army Special Forces trace their lineage to WWII units like the First Special Service Force, the Alamo Scouts (Sixth Army Special Recon Unit), and the OSS Operational Groups. However, the mission depicted in this episode is not deep behind enemy lines. A raid to seize prisoners from an OP (forward of the enemy MLR), while risky, was just another type of combat patrol regular infantry units were trained to conduct. (Though the field manual emphasized: "rehearsals are imperative.")
1. Lt Henry Jones was a staff officer. His superiors wanted him to see some combat before promoting him.
2. David Webster wrote "Parachute Soldiers" It was published after Webster's death and Steven Ambrose edited it. Ambrose would later write the book "Band of Brothers" and much of his material what came from Webster's book. As and Ivy League educated enlisted soldier, Webster fit into both worlds.
3. Carwood Lipton was not the only mustang, an enlisted men who became an officer. Richard Winters was drafted in 1940 and started as a private second class. The fact that he went from basic training as a private to major in less than 5 years is astounding.
4. Bring a box of tissues for episode 9 and another for episode 10
Winters went through OCS…it wasn’t that uncommon…
@@ChicagoDB going to OCS was not on common. The speed of his promotions was. He went from first lieutenant to major in under a year. He was a highly skilled commander and rose through the ranks accordingly.
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When you lose officers (and ALL the units in the war were losing officers over time) you have to promote people to replace them. There aren't spare officers sitting off to the side with experience who can jump in. Replacements were privates and the older privates were moved up to corporal and sargeant. There had to be an order of command. The original Easy guys knew how the system worked and they did what they had to do.
4 months in hell while he was in the hospital is a big difference. All these guys have been through a hell of a lot while he was gone
Edit: the rape whistle comment got me chad lmao
Love your reactions. I really hope that you check out The Pacific when you’re done with Band of Brothers.
Band of brothers has its ups and downs, the pacific just leaves you feeling like you’re covered in icky bugs. Suck a phenomenal series
So in the USAF we would say you are always training your replacement. The point is you don't want to have a Winters who is the best at what he does and no one else at his level because if Winters gets killed you want someone else to be able to immediately take over and push towards whatever the objective is. The absolute worst case scenario is having all of the expertise at one person and you lose that one person at the worst time possible. That has the very real possibility of wasting an entire platoon of people. Obviously doing this in war time speeds up the process and you just hope you have enough Winters and Speirs etc. to keep filling the holes as they are promoted.
Arianna needs to watch The Pacific next.
Of course there was no possible way for him to break out of the hospital and rejoin Easy in Bastogne. They were completely surrounded by half a million German troops! The guys are just bitter that he didn't go through it with them. They know it is impossible. Toye was wounded after they were already in Bastogne and rejoined them after the siege was lifted. Webster would have been in a hospital in a different country.
One of my favourite scenes is in the end of this episodes, when the officers enter the room and Sergeant Martin say "Ten-hut". It really shows respect towards Lt. Jones.
WInters assigned Lt. Welsh to his HQ after he came back from the hospital. He was the 1st platoon commander. Lipton had to leave the company because Army regulations on commissioning an enlisted man. They dont' like keeping knew officers, former enlisted, in the same unit with their old buddies. IT's stupid. So WInters also put him in his Battalion HQ.
I almost choked on the rape whistle comment. Knowing that there was an M16 half track used for cover fire. It's an AA version, quad 50 cals. You can see it next to Sink.
Lt. Jones died in a jeep crash two years later.
Talbot/Tipper (sorry cant remember which) is promoted to first Sargent. He is the man who named his dog Trigger.
After this you guys need to watch The Pacific, about the pacific theater of war with Japan. It's more dark and savage.
The music they play when Nixon tosses Winters his Oak Leaves is so soul stirring, almost eerie. I got full body chills watching that as well. And I've seen that scene several times!
I am an ex Army Ranger and I can say that strategic operations are not the same as tactical operations, senior commanders fail at this
You guys really should watch the HBO Show The Pacific.
You just can't keep a Hanks out of World War 2
lol ahhh yes!
On the subject of Winters’ promotions, he holds the Army record for fastest promotion track, from Private to Major in less than five years.
I’m not so sure, George Custer went from 2nd alt to Brigadier General in two years. I’m not sure who holds the record, but sadly promotions are quicker during wartime.
@digifalc0087 Winters described being the 2nd Battalion XO (Executive Officer) as a thoroughly distasteful job, but by all accounts, he performed the role well.
Please watch The Pacific next its darker and more difficult to watch for some but it does show that side of the war pretty well from what I have read
Respectfully, you are dead wrong Sir.
All of the Paratroopers on all sides, Soviet, German, American, British, Italian & French were created for Special Operations. The Jump before D-Day was a very Special Operation, Market Garden was a huge Special Operation. Crete was a Special Operation. The Dnepr/Kiev Operation was a Special Operation. There were also loads of other Special Operations during WW2, The start of the SAS, The 144 Landings of the Soviet Naval Infantry during the horrific war in the East & the largest, most massive Special Operation of all of WW2, the entire Pacific Campaign of the United States Marine Corps.
So you are aware, this sort of aggressive combat patrol is pretty standard among well-trained combat units, the river is the major complicating factor (but also an aid as it makes the enemy feel more secure) which could make (as the episode shows) extraction under fire tough. But it is a mark of a well motivated and aggressive unit that they regularly patrol and do what is called securing the initiative and frontline. Of course it also results in inevitable savage small unit clashes and casualties for little apparent long term gain, but war has a savage and merciless calculus all of its own.
Indeed. Offensive patrols and prisoner snatches were pretty normal when the front settles down.
In case of the former it was felt beneficial to the offensive spirit of the unit and would put psychological pressure on the enemy. Prisoner snatches gave the added bonus of getting an idea of what unit was opposite their front, their strength, morale, and supporting units.
Ordering a second snatch is inexcusable though.
Sink should have had the good sense to realize that Easy was too depleted and exhausted and that the enemy would be more alert. Snatching more prisoners would only tell them the same info as the first prisoners did in any case. A completely pointless order.
@@Elmarby Agreed. One of the most obvious examples of limited offensive actions were the WW1 trench raids. The success of such limited operations relies hugely on surprise and the complacency of the opposition. Running two operations back to back is literally inviting a crushing defeat by an angry, nervous and alert enemy. But over confidence bordering on arrogance mixed with a lacing of braggart is not an uncommon thing, especially in aggressive elite units and commands, you want your troops and officers to by near that borderline, on this occasion Sink crossed into foolhardy and wasteful, fortunately Winters was an exceptional and courageous junior officer.
You two are over thinking everything. This is not a Special Operations mission. This is a simple raid. It is a targeted, simple penetration of an enemy perimeter for intelligence purposes. Standard mission all US infantry units, Marine or Army, are trained for. A mission by the way, executed by US trained infantry and Marines since 1775. With great success in every war we have fought in.
You questioned that there should be special forces conducting the raid. Our special forces today are highly trained and outstanding in every way but there is no comparison in training to the combat experience that these paratroopers as well as just about every other infantryman that fought their way across Europe as well as the marines and soldiers that fought across the Pacific. With their combat experience they are more qualified than just about anyone who has ever lived to conduct this type of a raid - prisoner snatch.
As for special forces in WW2, in Europe you had the US Army Rangers and the British Commandos (who the US Army Rangers were modeled after) and in the Pacific the US Army had Rangers and the Alamo Scouts. (who's stories are incredible and it has been said that they were the precursor to the Green Berets) The Marine Corps had the Marine Raiders and the the US Navy in Europe and the Pacific had Frogmen who were divers who would swim in and blow up underwater beach obstacles clearing paths for the assault boats to hit the beaches during amphibious invasions and were the precursor to the Navy Seals.
For years there was a Band.of Brothers guided tour where you follow Easy Company campaign through Europe and finish with a dinner at the Eagles Nest. I don't know if it stoppped with Covid. But definitely recommend if it is still available .
you hhave to remember this is before satellites and really heavy monitoring of troop movements and certain formations. Before that time things like prisoner raids were vital for intelligence gather, because you don't know if you're fighting regular guys like they captured or if they're fighting someone like the paratroopers from Carentan. These kinds of operations became more specialized only after better intelligence gathering technologies were available, but in ww1 you have guys like trench raiders who did the same thing they just got told to cross no mans land and destroy a bunker or capture some guys, or even earlier before we had massive continent sized battlefields going from coast to coast you had "small war" where armies would send their cavalry to conduct raids and reconnaissance on the enemy to ascertain their disposition and positions, and then return to fight in the actual battle. Special operations are truly a modern age invention which funny enough actually started to get off the ground in world war 2 with things like italian frogmen, the OSS, and the SAS all forming or becoming much more specialized in this war.
I was in a regular Marine Corps rifle company, and there were patrol missions where we left the helmets behind and wore soft covers - it makes sense; the helmet is heavy, it interferes with your hearing, and against direct fire at close range it wouldn't do you much good anyway (we had the old steel pots, before the Kevlar helmets came out, but not much difference in that regard.) When we were in workup to go on float, a patrol to capture prisoners was one of the missions we trained for.
Winters being promoted to major didn't change his responsibilities - he was already the battalion executive officer, and that job calls for a major. They were just giving him the rank appropriate to the job he already had. And the reason they keep moving people up is that they need to get the most valuable use possible of their abilities and experience - for example, Winters can do more good as battalion XO, and acting battalion CO whenever the CO has to be somewhere else, than with his leadership and organizational ability limited to one company. Likewise, Lipton may not be contributing more as a new lieutenant than he was as first sergeant, but he will move up to more senior jobs as an officer; also, there are other excellent senior NCOs in Easy who can do the job as first sergeant.
Guarnere is pronounced "Gar-neer" Garnier is shampoo lol. One of my relatives was friends with Wild Bill Guarnere and Joe Toye back in their days. He said the actor who played Guarnere did really well portraying how Bill was back then
Hearing you wondering about the next two episodes (specifically the next one) makes me cringe so much. Bring tissues. Bring a LOT of tissues for that episode.
Probably already mentioned but, Webb wrote a book on E Company. Called Parachute Infantry. He was a Lit major at Harvard. Easy read and well-worth the time.
Raids or “patrols” like this are not exclusive to special operations units. I was a regular infantryman and while deployed in Iraq these type of prisoner raids were a regular part of our daily operations besides just regular patrol through the Are of operation. A lot of times we had special operations imbedded with us for the higher value target ones
Came here to post exact same thing.
SO... also understand that near the end of the video where you are talking about personnel and command movements of character is that 1) movie/show budget you can't hire 200 main characters and show every single one of the soldier's stories as cool as it would be to do that, however you can condense multiple stories into 1 character 2) as accurate as BoB is it is still a show not a documentary. Corners has to be cut for time and budget. But in the end they do it very well for that kind of show.
Webster wrote a book that the publishers refused because it wasn't a superhero type book of war. Ambrose, who wrote Band of Brothers, found out about it and got it published. It is an excellent read. Well worth the time for anyone who wants to know the gritty details of war.
Please, after part 10 also do a reaction to the attached documentary with this series, from this are all the small clips of the real soldiers you see at the beginning or end of the episode. It's called "we stand alone together" ruclips.net/video/z6j_nop4wh0/видео.html
Psst ... It's just a typo, but since it's in the title, 'part 8'. Can't wait!
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@@Diegesis and of course, another stunning reaction! Have the tissues ready for the last two episodes but for different reasons. No joke on that!
All the paratroops were actually considered a specialist division in WW2 in many ways..🤷
13:49 They didn't have any special forces that were trained for this at the time, the results of WW2 is what inspired their creation.
Guys, good job. I'm loving your reaction to this series.
No spoilers but bring plenty of tissues for the next episode.
Make sure when you watch the Pacific, that you get the episodes with the interviews and narrative context in the beginning
Watch “The Pacific” next. Almost as good as BoB.
Reactor mentions the MONOMYTH. We are impressed!
So Glad you all are watching this series. Could not wait to see your reaction to winters when he tells them to get a good nights sleep for the “second patrol “. You get it. Gives me goosebumps every time !
Was this guy supposed to be former military? Or even familiar with the military? Because this isn't any kind of spec ops mission or unusual these types of prisoner grabs are totally normal in wartime. It's like you're letting the fact that these characters are likeable totally overshadow that it's war, missions are risky and people can die. That doesn't make any of it crazy or less necessary.
this mission is the riskiest one and these days it's the kind of thing we'd hear of seal team whatever doing
If you notice in the in the MPs are putting cob in the back of a jeep and he’s arrested
We take for granted a hot shower and a roof over a head. These guys fought to make sure that we always have that
At the end of the series do we make her watch the pacific or is that too much to ask of her
Well, there were the Army Rangers, of course, but they were more light infantry than dedicated special forces. There were USMC Raiders, the Navy UDTs got their start in WW2, and, there was the 1st Special Service Force, nicknamed "the Devil's Brigade" by the Germans.. It was a joint Canadian-U.S. unit formed to handle special missions.
Good job, guys - thanks
Absolutely loving your reactions... wishing you both a very happy new year 🎉🎉🎉
I hope these 2 do The Pacific when they are done with BoB
"We Stand Alone Together" is an extra documentary which not enough people react to. It includes more interviews and screen time with the veterans.
I really would like to see yall react to The Pacific
You have to watch the Pacific after this both great series
I love how Webster and Lt Jones get instant street cred on the patrol.
I feel for these guy's, but consider that some of the regular divisions fought in Africa , then Sicily, and Europe, start to finish. Even later divisions were on the line from D-day on, the grind must have been unbelievable.
Yep, first and third infantry divisions in particular (I think first and second armored too). Both landed in North Africa and were basically in constant combat with only small breaks before landing operations in Sicily, Italy, France, etc.
The other thing about being wounded, and why so many guys went AWOL to get back to their units, was that many wounded soldiers got sent to Replacement Depots (Repple-Depples), where they could be sent to ANY division that needed men. Lots of guys in the 101st went AWOL because they didn't want to go to some division full of replacements, reservists, and draftees- they wanted to be back with their buddies that had been together for so long that they could trust each other. The airborne really was the 'special forces' of its day in that regard.
I believe Winters in real life was promoted to major a while earlier, probably when he took over the battalion (in Crossroads he was promoted to battalion XO). A battalion would normally be commanded by at least a major if not a lt. col.