My thoughts exactly! Writing a story like this, with such sparkling dialogue and great actors, takes some real work. Unlike today's movies and TV programs. With their cookie-cutter plots and copy-and-past writers.
The sad part is, if Moriarty had waited just a few more years, Voyager would've brought back portable hologram transmitters and he could've swapped stories with the Doctor.
@@Zelos311 uhh hol' up, the cube and dock that Lt barclay was looking after was on the enterprise when it got destroyed in generations right? it would be destroyed probably...
It's interesting to see once Moriarty saw the big picture, he drops all his evil traits and is at the mercy of reality. Shows true life when their eyes are open.
It's revealing of us all, once we have epiphanies about our relationship and responsibilities not just to ourselves but others even the most awful of people come to the same conclusion time and time again, do no harm and the meaning of life is to grow. It's been the staple of every single major religious and hermitage person who ever lived. Every shaman ever wise woman every mystic, if you need to test them then test them with that one universal constant.
Unfortunately, the "real" Moriarty is the criminal "genius" who decided to take his revenge by fighting Sherlock Holmes hand-to-hand and of all places on a path or ledge over a towering waterfall.
It doesn't take a genius to realise that given the circumstances, its in Moriarty's best interest to give the control over the ship back. Else, no matter the outcome, he won't get corporeality. Either it won't be considered or it would be impossible due to damage to the ship's memory. No matter the actuality of his state, giving up and putting things under Piccard's control gives him the only chance that his state will be examined, documented, and his birth will be considered, if it happens that he is indeed sapient. The most likely explanation is that he is indeed sapient, because data did not specify to the computer's neural network that he absolutely must not be sapient, and that there is an actual phisical unit that got manifested with a recombinator that has been made fit to fullfil the data's request. That is, unless that possibility was either feared or stumbled upon prior to enterprise's construction, and enterprises neural network was specifically hardcoded to avoid this method of execution. In this case it most likely not sapient, which would be a shame, because it will be harder on the holodeck subroutine to simulate sapiency than to manifest the phisical machine that in 10^n iterations has been made to tick all of the sapiency boxes. Its like moon landing, at a certain point of complexity it becomes insurmountably harder to fake something that just to do it.
@@Misanthropacifist Ah shit, it's like when Nietzsche said that God had been killed with our own hands (that our new knowledge of the universe has extinguished the reason for our belief in God) so that we ourselves needed to become our own Gods (that we ourselves must seek rationality and satisfaction out of the chaos of life). I myself still believe in God, yet I still embrace the fact that ultimately we must walk our own path, as many things our outside of our control yet our thoughts, our actions are ours and ours alone.
@@al_fletcher There was a scene where he taunted the secretary. She said something along the lines of him just toying with her. He replied "Set them up. Lets play again".
Now there's a thought: Bring back Moriarty into the new Picard show. They have remote holo-emitters from the voyages of Voyager. It could be an amusing/ interesting one off at least.
Moriarty returned in a later TNG episode. Spoiler... In the episode, he grew tired of waiting for technological progress and threatened the ship if his demands weren't met. To resolve the situation they tricked him into a larger holographic programme that made it seem like he had entered the real world. They gave him a shuttle and invited him to explore the universe. In reality the giant programme was on a standalone computer block with enough memory and processing power to generate a fictional universe that would take life times to explore. Moriarty got his wish to explore the world outside the holodeck and the crew were protected permanently by putting him on a computer not connected to the Enterprise. If they ever brought the character back, they would have to confess to the earlier deception.
And the best Portrayal of Scrooge was in The Muppet Christmas Carol. >.> He didn't care he was surrounded by muppets, Michael Caine just gave his all. Great Roles don't make Great Actors, Great Actors make Great Roles.
@@markj2093 Agreed... and as 'monstrous' as Moriarty was... he was supposed to be Logical and Brilliant, and given the circumstances he was placed in, in this scenario, the only winning move was to throw himself on the mercy of the court, if you will.
This was a really really good episode. It lingered in the back of my thoughts for years. "I do not wish to die, I do not wish to kill you" is forever burned in my memory.
You know, it only just not occurred to me: Remember Data making another android? Why couldn't Data make another android body and transfer Moriarty's program into that new android body?
The actor who plays Moriarty, Daniel Davis, is still brilliant, sharp as a tack. I saw him at the Star Trek convention in Vegas a couple of years ago. It was fun to see how much the other actors respect him. Anyway, if they bring him back in a future star trek, maybe Patrick Stewart's new gig, that would be the ultimate fan service!!
This is what happens when Americans attempt to write British/English characters. They never do understand the language. My favourite is in Friends when Chandler tells someone to 'Wank off' because the writer thought it was the same as saying piss or fuck off but milder. They were wrong. Or the usage of 'Wank' in general by American writers in the 90s. Geoffrey in Fresh Prince for example telling Will 'don't be such a wanker.'
@@chrishoffer1665 Crumpets are like scones or tea biscuits usually taken with tea or coffee while sitting around talking. Clearly he was wooing her with secrets and lies and stories of delight
Still he is a creature of reason. Reason and compassion, unlike Data. He even turns his exsistence faithfull in their hands knowing it would make no sense the other way round. He is like a matured V'ger or Nomad that realized how limited his own exsistence is and how mortal his creators are, but yet he holds no scorn.
@@schusterlehrling I never understood why they just didn't take the saved Moriarty software and upload it into an android. These capabilities shouldn't have been too sophisticated so far into the future.
Just for those interested, Daniel Davis does the audiobook reading for one of the best star wars books before the franchise went to disney. Darth Plagueis is an excellent listen for any Daniel Davis fan.
It would be kind of awkward though. The last time we saw Moriarty, he was in a virtual reality container exploring the galaxy. Problem is that he doesn't know he is in there. He thought he had escaped on an Enterprise shuttle. So imagine if they suddenly ripped him out of the box all "you were in a computer the whole time but we figured out how to make you real!". Imagine how pissed he would be to learn he spent years traveling around a virtual reality when he thought he was exploring the universe.
I think it was a mistake on Picard's part to just put Moriarty into a fake universe box, hide it away somewhere and forget about it. This emergence of consciousness in a machine was ground-breaking science waiting to be explored.
Unfortunately that was the mindset of most if not ALL entertainment corporations at the time and as such it was unfortunately The ruling ideology and mindset of TV networks back then for the most part is when it came to a show, the status quo is God and as such characters would often be afflicted with what to day we refer to as “Aesop Amnesia” in which the characters don’t learn anything as soon as the show is over and then resets, unique ideas would be brought up and then immediately dropped by next episode in an endless loop of frustration for the audience in which the shows writers would more often then not, go out of their way to tie up any loose ends that could mean using intriguing ideas and issues so that they could rarely ever be explored in future episode no matter how forced and contrived and out of character the shows cast of characters had to act or say in order to make that happen.
Play Soma. Then watch the episode again. When it becomes apparent that the Moriarty that was put into the fake universe box was actually a copy (because that's how computers work - data isn't moved, it's copied), the unpleasant truth is revealed - they killed him; the instance that was him was terminated, the data copied, the memory reallocated.
@@bkray26 Yup. And it was always a little disappointing to me that this was never explored in the franchise. But then Soma came along, and explored this concept fully, and it left me with a massive existential crisis... so maybe that's why they never explored it on Star Trek.
@@NicholasBrakespear Remember the 2 Rikers? Being a copy or going through the transport beam and being reassembled is irrelevant. As long as all the memory from one transference to the next is intact and there remains only 1 copy, there is no difference. This issue has been explored in Star Trek.
@@LordsofMedia No, it hasn't. The two Rikers merely proved that they never gave it much thought... because it rather confirmed that there is no continuity of a unique thing, only a recreation of it each time, allowing for copies to be made. That there is only one copy does not alter the fact that it's a copy, not the original; that the original ceased to exist. It died. The continuity of consciousness was interrupted. That the copy has all the original's memories and attributes does not alter this fact. Star Trek has never dealt with the issue of the continuity of consciousness and whether or not it matters with regards to these technologies; it has always relied upon the simplistic notion that something akin to the soul is transferred magically, until the plot requires it to be copied instead of transferred.
The character of James Moriarty is so intriguing at any age. Here we see an older Moriarty highly intelligent with a drive to be perfect at whatever life sends his way. The love of the challenge. That is what makes villains so special. In BBC Sherlock Andrew Scott portrays a younger Jim Moriarty. Highly intelligent and maybe more hormonal. But the same passion as the older. Living for a challenge mentally or physically. Loving and hating being alive simultaneously. A well written or constructed villain is a joy to behold. Paper tiger villains are so boring with lots of noise and thunder. We soon get bored with them and are secretly relieved when they meet their demise. A great interpretation of a villainous character we want to never see defeated. A hero is nothing without a challenge. In art as well as life we all need challenges
If ever any character in ST was underused it was Moriarty. And not only in Trek, for me this is the definitive iteration of Moriarty. They did a splendid job with his character.
@@tdeer16 never heard of that. Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes predates copyright laws and are public domain characters. Only specific iterations and interpretations that are more modern are copyrighted. Case in point this Moriarty belongs to the writer who created him as we see, but anyone can make a Moriarty character based of the original.
holodeck matter is energy converted into matter through emitters within the holodeck. this matter isn’t sustainable outside of the bounds of the emitters.
If I had a top 10 Star Trek villain and/or anti-hero list, I would put Moriarty, Khan, Lore, Gal Dukat, the Borg Queen and Q (he is an anti-hero) on my top ten list of Star Trek villains or anti-heroes.
@@123ucr The Borg Queen? Urgh... I hate that they introduced the Borg queen. Before her the Borg were mysterious, interesting, fascinating, morally and ethically ambiguous. But then, when the companies wanted to produce a movie, they thought the audience is too dumb for complex moral examination when it comes to the Borg so they desired to dumb it down by giving it an unambiguously evil leader that the audience could boo at, with essentially no plot reasons other than having an evil villain twirling its moustache and having cliche "before i kill you, Mr. Bond, i will explain you my devious evil master plan" speeches.
Dude I legit cried for moriarty in this scene. What a terrifying revelation to have, thank God Picard is the best of what a human could ve in terms of morality
Sadly that's all we can do, remember. Now star trek is just pew pew, laser beam, women are awesome, star fleet diversity is the prime directive now. Makes me sad really.
Loved this episode a crossover between two totally unrelated fiction that I like and they done Moriaty justice, I'm sure Arthur Conan Doyle would aprove.
Consiouslness can be the hardest thing to contemplate, perhaps because like awareness itself, it has only itself to study. But with conviction alone it still can be proven with a written word and an actor as witness. Glorious.
A friend told me about some continuity for Moriarty in a written work, that involved a combination of the Doctor's holo-emitter, and eventually reaching the capacity to construct an android body much like the Soong-types, and transfer Moriarty's programming to it, allowing him to continue to exist in reality.
You don’t even have to make him an android. You can make him a cyborg. Get one of those positron brain matrixes or like what the Borg do but an organic body and an artificial brain. They can clone organic parts/bodies and recreate parts via the replicators in Star Trek yet the writers dropped the ball constantly on this.
In the last few months, I've been revisiting Star Trek like seeing an old dear friend. An insight popped into my head the other day, that after the sentient hologram 'Moriarity' was first created and his subsequent confinement in an active memory module. It stands to reason that Dr. Lewis Zimmerman: the creator of the Emergency Medical Holographic program most likely was one of the scientists that took part of the initial analysis/investigation of him. The data gleaned from this unique bit of holography may have given the foundational building block for the Doctor's holomatrix.
Daniel Davis his such a great actor. Deserved to be a household name though he's a well known name in theatre acting. Every since I saw this episode at the age of 5, I have always admired him in part due to the writing, but mostly due to the portrayal of the character.
It's extremely clear, how amazing this actor is. He knew what he was doing, and delivered his lines with such a detailed style. I'm impressed by Mr. Davis.
Brilliantly imaginative! Thought provoking storytelling! And a marvelous array of characters. Thanks for singling out scenes like this. I have a whole new appreciation for this series and its cast.
The implication is the Federation has the tech to create sentient AI just by using a insignificant of the ship's power and computational capabilities just by a user carelessly giving a command to the computer while running a holodeck simulation. I remember during the episode the engineers merely notice a weird fluctuation of power when the command was given and that's it. The question would be, why isn't the ship's main computer that created this program is not sentient as well and why isn't the world overrun with sentient AI due to careless people giving similar orders?
Just for those interested, Daniel Davis does the audiobook reading for one of the best star wars books before the franchise went to disney. Darth Plagueis is an excellent listen for any Daniel Davis fan.
Truly, an extraordinary presentation with meaningful commentary on the nature of existence and the responsibility we bear for our technological capabilities. Resolving several variants of this problem probably lies in our not too distant future. Let’s hope we find a humane solution.
The problem was the ST-TNG producers didn't have the permission of the Arthur Conan Doyle literary estate to use the Holmes and Moriarty characters. They mistakenly thought it was public domain, ...and there was much legal unpleasantness afterwards. The Estate is very agressively protective of ACD's copyright and literary rights. ...So this plotline became a deadend.
T. Bunker It is totally nuts that copyright is still active for someone who has been dead for nearly 90 years, but that is Disney’s fault, not Star Trek.
The Conan-Doyle estate attempted to float the argument that copyright still attached to the character due to derivative works being copyrighted by their authors/producers and therefore the estate still held copyright by extension. That theory was finally knocked down for good in the 2014 ruling handed down by Judge Richard Posner in the case of Klinger v. Conan-Doyle Estate. There's nothing they can do about it now. Sherlock Holmes and his entire world are in the public domain now and forever.
I love TNG, whenever it entertained machines and holograms gaining sentience beyond normal human comprehension. As advanced as space exploration got, Data was super advanced and questioned humanity. And a hologram can question consciousness even further. The fact that Picard shows kindness and openness to both examples being real. Love Star Trek.
Good to see someone lecturing Picard for a change! JLP is always SO smug and certain of his moral compass, yet time and again it is shown to be somewhat .... lacking.
His moral compass functioned perfectly. His ability as a man to always follow it came up short, as it will. In contrast to later captains, who find themselves in difficult situations and lazily behaved immorally to get themselves out of them *coughSiskoandJanewaycough*
His "Moral Compass" is correct, in most situations. Like following the Prime Directive as opposed to revealing how one race feeds off the other unknowingly via drug addiction - people get mad claiming "He should have told them!", his Moral compass said otherwise and that was correct. As an intelligent species it is NONE of your business to pop in, disrupt an entire civilation, then disappear. People who are not strong with logic, more for emotion - tend to disagree with his tactics. But Emotions are the last thing you want to rely on when dealing with Alien races and deadly situations in the most advanced starship fuckin 400 years in the future.
I always found the treatment of holograms in Star Trek to be a rather large ethical grey area. Particularly with the creation of people. What they do to the holograms isn't too different to what entities like Q or Negelum do with the crew, particularly in episodes like "Hide and Q".
Silly ending. Seems strange that they are on a mission to discover life, only to extinguish it in this instance. They should have kept him in the holodeck. He could have been a contributing crew member of sorts. He was brilliant. Then transfer him off at a Starbase until he invented a way to make himself real. Given time, he may have done it.
An incredible sci-fi theme, well portrayed. After seeing it, I wished he could've been a regular, or an occasional, since he now lives on within the Enterprise. I hoped this new lifeform was further explored.
It is interesting how they didn't consider him as a new life form (and what they eventually did to him in another episode), but in two other episodes they passionately fought for the rights of those nanobots and repair robots.
I don't know why but I love this scene more than anything. It's like watching a more refined version of Roy Batty. I really feel for him and his desire for something everyone else takes for granted. I hope they bring him back and hes not a villain but a different exploration of "measure of a man".
He immediately addresses the criteria required for sentience that was used in Data's Trial... Intelligence, Self-Awareness, Consciousness. All within the first minute of the clip. EDIT: Also I like how he represents the frustration of the viewing audience that also want to see what's out there among the stars. Probably wont in our lifetimes given the requirement would be for humans to advance as a species.
Would like to have seen Moriarity strolling the decks with one of the EMH Mobile Emitters from Voyager. They should have epilogued that at the end of Voyager.
You know what Picard should have done? He should have called in a favor to Q. He should have asked Q to make Moriarty a living human being. Q could have done it.
It's interesting that this becomes such a integral character design in Star Trek Voyager. Doctor got to live so much more than Moriarty did, but still not enough for him. Why would they make me have so many sad feelings for a hologram!
I like to imagine Moriarty's return as a subtle jab at the fire-and-forget nature of the series sometimes, considering that the plot of the episode was "Oh shit, we forgot about Moriarty!" You'd think that the next time the enterprise found itself in spacedock they would have had the program transferred to a research station of some kind... but I guess they kind of... forgot. Maybe it's cultural bias against holograms. The Doctor would be pissed.
They should just install holo emitters either on an entire deck or a part of a deck so sentient holgrams can wander around if they please. The Hirogen did it on Voyager.
DS9 at its best is at least equal to TNG. Think of 'Sacrifice of Angels', 'In the Pale Moonlight'. 'It's only a Paper Moon' or 'Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges' - one of Star Trek's finest hours. Both shows, TNG and DS9 are pretty much the pinnacle of Star Trek imho
Earlier in that episode Moriarty draw a picture of the Enterprise on a piece hollow deck paper and they walk off with it into the ship, in episode one Wesley falls into a holographic stream and then walks off the hollow deck and gets Picard soaking wet.
The Holodeck contains replicator technology, the food and drink you get in there is real. The Holodeck can create basic matter but isn't capable of creating a human body.
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No loud music, no off-kilter angles no lens flares. Just two talented actors and a well written script, why can't we have Sci-fi like this anymore?
My thoughts exactly! Writing a story like this, with such sparkling dialogue and great actors, takes some real work. Unlike today's movies and TV programs. With their cookie-cutter plots and copy-and-past writers.
Because millennials are garbage and Hollywood sucks.
@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg No, you oldies are garbage and Hollywood is still ok.
What a stupid load of bullshit criticism.
@@delavalmilker Todays Movies and TV shows do not have cookie cutter plots or copy and paste writers, that's a stupid statement.
That smile on Moriarty's face when he learns one day he may be able to live outside a holodeck is such a genuine look of comfort
I love the part where they later learn how to easily incorporate artificial intelligence into the real world and they never go back and get him.
The sad part is, if Moriarty had waited just a few more years, Voyager would've brought back portable hologram transmitters and he could've swapped stories with the Doctor.
The actor joked with Robert Picardo about it
I could see this as an episode of Lower Decks. They love continuity stories like that.
Well realistically, I'm sure that once the mobile emitters were made, Moriarty was probably one of the first holograms that got one.
@@Zelos311 uhh hol' up, the cube and dock that Lt barclay was looking after was on the enterprise when it got destroyed in generations right? it would be destroyed probably...
@@aerisgainsborough2141 Someone needs to watch Picard Season 3...
It's interesting to see once Moriarty saw the big picture, he drops all his evil traits and is at the mercy of reality. Shows true life when their eyes are open.
It's revealing of us all, once we have epiphanies about our relationship and responsibilities not just to ourselves but others even the most awful of people come to the same conclusion time and time again, do no harm and the meaning of life is to grow. It's been the staple of every single major religious and hermitage person who ever lived. Every shaman ever wise woman every mystic, if you need to test them then test them with that one universal constant.
Unfortunately, the "real" Moriarty is the criminal "genius" who decided to take his revenge by fighting Sherlock Holmes hand-to-hand and of all places on a path or ledge over a towering waterfall.
It doesn't take a genius to realise that given the circumstances, its in Moriarty's best interest to give the control over the ship back. Else, no matter the outcome, he won't get corporeality. Either it won't be considered or it would be impossible due to damage to the ship's memory. No matter the actuality of his state, giving up and putting things under Piccard's control gives him the only chance that his state will be examined, documented, and his birth will be considered, if it happens that he is indeed sapient. The most likely explanation is that he is indeed sapient, because data did not specify to the computer's neural network that he absolutely must not be sapient, and that there is an actual phisical unit that got manifested with a recombinator that has been made fit to fullfil the data's request.
That is, unless that possibility was either feared or stumbled upon prior to enterprise's construction, and enterprises neural network was specifically hardcoded to avoid this method of execution. In this case it most likely not sapient, which would be a shame, because it will be harder on the holodeck subroutine to simulate sapiency than to manifest the phisical machine that in 10^n iterations has been made to tick all of the sapiency boxes.
Its like moon landing, at a certain point of complexity it becomes insurmountably harder to fake something that just to do it.
@@Misanthropacifist
Ah shit, it's like when Nietzsche said that God had been killed with our own hands (that our new knowledge of the universe has extinguished the reason for our belief in God) so that we ourselves needed to become our own Gods (that we ourselves must seek rationality and satisfaction out of the chaos of life).
I myself still believe in God, yet I still embrace the fact that ultimately we must walk our own path, as many things our outside of our control yet our thoughts, our actions are ours and ours alone.
Moriarty and Picard, in the holodeck. Moriarty, his eyes open!
The actor playing Moriarty is sooooo good, you'd never know he wasn't really British. He was born in Arkansas.
He's also Niles from The Nanny
he originally requested that they call the character Moriarky. lol
@seriousdudeserious True..
@@al_fletcher There was a scene where he taunted the secretary. She said something along the lines of him just toying with her. He replied "Set them up. Lets play again".
@seriousdudeserious He was captain of the Enterprise.
Now there's a thought: Bring back Moriarty into the new Picard show. They have remote holo-emitters from the voyages of Voyager. It could be an amusing/ interesting one off at least.
I like this idea!
The new Picard show is apparently going to be set in a different timeline and completely suck balls.
Just imagine if they brought him back in Star Trek Discovery....His first words would be "put me back in the holodeck"
He had more involvement in the novels.
Moriarty returned in a later TNG episode.
Spoiler...
In the episode, he grew tired of waiting for technological progress and threatened the ship if his demands weren't met.
To resolve the situation they tricked him into a larger holographic programme that made it seem like he had entered the real world. They gave him a shuttle and invited him to explore the universe.
In reality the giant programme was on a standalone computer block with enough memory and processing power to generate a fictional universe that would take life times to explore. Moriarty got his wish to explore the world outside the holodeck and the crew were protected permanently by putting him on a computer not connected to the Enterprise.
If they ever brought the character back, they would have to confess to the earlier deception.
I love how one of the best portrayal of Moriarty I've ever seen is in STAR TREK, of all shows.
Another portrayal I like of Moriarty is by Jared Harris
And the best Portrayal of Scrooge was in The Muppet Christmas Carol. >.> He didn't care he was surrounded by muppets, Michael Caine just gave his all. Great Roles don't make Great Actors, Great Actors make Great Roles.
@@markj2093 Agreed... and as 'monstrous' as Moriarty was... he was supposed to be Logical and Brilliant, and given the circumstances he was placed in, in this scenario, the only winning move was to throw himself on the mercy of the court, if you will.
Oh no, I cannot agree with that. Eric Porter's portrayal, playing against Jeremy Brett, was definitive.
@@zephodb George C Scott for the win!
This was a really really good episode. It lingered in the back of my thoughts for years. "I do not wish to die, I do not wish to kill you" is forever burned in my memory.
It was even better when they brought the character back and they thought they got over on the crew lol
I came here to say this and here you are saying it. It's such a powerful scene
You know, it only just not occurred to me: Remember Data making another android? Why couldn't Data make another android body and transfer Moriarty's program into that new android body?
Moriarty's actor narrated the Darth Plagueis audiobook, it's so good.
That scene is what Star Trek is all about.
Damn right
"Was", sadly.
The actor who plays Moriarty, Daniel Davis, is still brilliant, sharp as a tack. I saw him at the Star Trek convention in Vegas a couple of years ago. It was fun to see how much the other actors respect him. Anyway, if they bring him back in a future star trek, maybe Patrick Stewart's new gig, that would be the ultimate fan service!!
I’m from the future of 2022.
One more month before he returns.
legend has it that he was recreated by Q and then later serve as a butler to a british millionaire man with 3 children and a nanny.
Was that before or after his short career as second in command of an aircraft carrier?
Thank you for making "the nanny" reference
Wait, thats the Butler from The Nanny?
I genuinely didn't realise that was Niles until I read this comment! Good eye!
@@AlexQuill63 I know right?
“....but I’ll still fill you with crumpet Madame...” is it just me or is that some interesting 19th century euphemism?
I was thinking the same thing....."what EXACTLY did he mean by THAT"?!
This is what happens when Americans attempt to write British/English characters. They never do understand the language.
My favourite is in Friends when Chandler tells someone to 'Wank off' because the writer thought it was the same as saying piss or fuck off but milder. They were wrong.
Or the usage of 'Wank' in general by American writers in the 90s. Geoffrey in Fresh Prince for example telling Will 'don't be such a wanker.'
@DomWeasel - You sound insecure.
Ok, I know what euphemism is and i read some books written in 19 and early 20th century. Can you explain what you mean?
@@chrishoffer1665
Crumpets are like scones or tea biscuits usually taken with tea or coffee while sitting around talking.
Clearly he was wooing her with secrets and lies and stories of delight
As a child, I saw this actor as the butler on The Nanny first. TNG showed this actor was very underrated.
Moriarty would have been an excellent "Doctor Who". (He reminds me of the 8th/Paul McGann version)
Paul Paige instead he was resigned to be the butler on The Nanny
@@TimpossibleOne Wow! You're right!! I just realized that was him!! Dude missed his destiny!!!
Both true and ironic. The Paul McGann doctor is perhaps the most human one.
The guy isn't British. He's originally from Arkansas.
@@Ididntchoosethisname What about 7?
Moriarty doesn't want to be evil. He just wants to leave the holodeck. But he can't. Imagine his frustration.
Still he is a creature of reason. Reason and compassion, unlike Data. He even turns his exsistence faithfull in their hands knowing it would make no sense the other way round. He is like a matured V'ger or Nomad that realized how limited his own exsistence is and how mortal his creators are, but yet he holds no scorn.
@@schusterlehrling I never understood why they just didn't take the saved Moriarty software and upload it into an android. These capabilities shouldn't have been too sophisticated so far into the future.
Legit one of the best characters in Star Trek played by an amazing actor.
Daniel Davis does British well. Considering he is from Arkansas. Not just this part but also as Niles on The Nanny.
He also was a captain of the Enterprise in The Hunt for Red October.
holy frick, he's not British?!?!!
Just for those interested, Daniel Davis does the audiobook reading for one of the best star wars books before the franchise went to disney.
Darth Plagueis is an excellent listen for any Daniel Davis fan.
Lurker1979 I didn’t know he wasn’t British! Wow!
@@Ny-kelCameron a brilliant audiobook to be sure.
I think Voyager's EMH would have taken Moriarty's side
StillJustDreaming Flesh and blood, or photons and force fields?
Yes right before he deletes the Doc & runs off with his Emitter.
Actually the Doctor ends up sueing Starfleet for Holographic Rights, I'd like to think that Moriarty got his 2nd chance.
they had the EMH on the enterprise E as well
Vic Fontaine would've taken his side as well
One of my favorite episodes. They should still bring him back someday. It would be such a hilarious long term payoff for old fans.
They did in the novels if you care to read them. Not the best trek fiction ive read, but worth a look. Datas back as well.
It would be kind of awkward though. The last time we saw Moriarty, he was in a virtual reality container exploring the galaxy. Problem is that he doesn't know he is in there. He thought he had escaped on an Enterprise shuttle. So imagine if they suddenly ripped him out of the box all "you were in a computer the whole time but we figured out how to make you real!". Imagine how pissed he would be to learn he spent years traveling around a virtual reality when he thought he was exploring the universe.
@@Avalanche041 Maybe that's why he goes evil again?
Its in the novels. It kinda happens that way.
Lal and data are back and harry mudd is is even still around. Pick ip a book.
@@Avalanche041 This recently happened to me when I discovered No Man's Sky wasn't real. Now everyone has to die. 🧐
This man is a great actor.
isnt he from the nanny ?
@@scottwalker2980 Yes, he is! He played the Butler Niles
That's Niles? Wow.
Which one?
...oh, right. It dosen't matter, they all are.
@@thekingofcardboard the one playing the hologram.
I think it was a mistake on Picard's part to just put Moriarty into a fake universe box, hide it away somewhere and forget about it. This emergence of consciousness in a machine was ground-breaking science waiting to be explored.
Unfortunately that was the mindset of most if not ALL entertainment corporations at the time and as such it was unfortunately The ruling ideology and mindset of TV networks back then for the most part is when it came to a show, the status quo is God and as such characters would often be afflicted with what to day we refer to as “Aesop Amnesia” in which the characters don’t learn anything as soon as the show is over and then resets, unique ideas would be brought up and then immediately dropped by next episode in an endless loop of frustration for the audience in which the shows writers would more often then not, go out of their way to tie up any loose ends that could mean using intriguing ideas and issues so that they could rarely ever be explored in future episode no matter how forced and contrived and out of character the shows cast of characters had to act or say in order to make that happen.
Play Soma.
Then watch the episode again.
When it becomes apparent that the Moriarty that was put into the fake universe box was actually a copy (because that's how computers work - data isn't moved, it's copied), the unpleasant truth is revealed - they killed him; the instance that was him was terminated, the data copied, the memory reallocated.
@@bkray26 Yup. And it was always a little disappointing to me that this was never explored in the franchise.
But then Soma came along, and explored this concept fully, and it left me with a massive existential crisis... so maybe that's why they never explored it on Star Trek.
@@NicholasBrakespear Remember the 2 Rikers? Being a copy or going through the transport beam and being reassembled is irrelevant. As long as all the memory from one transference to the next is intact and there remains only 1 copy, there is no difference. This issue has been explored in Star Trek.
@@LordsofMedia No, it hasn't. The two Rikers merely proved that they never gave it much thought... because it rather confirmed that there is no continuity of a unique thing, only a recreation of it each time, allowing for copies to be made.
That there is only one copy does not alter the fact that it's a copy, not the original; that the original ceased to exist. It died. The continuity of consciousness was interrupted. That the copy has all the original's memories and attributes does not alter this fact.
Star Trek has never dealt with the issue of the continuity of consciousness and whether or not it matters with regards to these technologies; it has always relied upon the simplistic notion that something akin to the soul is transferred magically, until the plot requires it to be copied instead of transferred.
The character of James Moriarty is so intriguing at any age. Here we see an older Moriarty highly intelligent with a drive to be perfect at whatever life sends his way. The love of the challenge. That is what makes villains so special.
In BBC Sherlock Andrew Scott portrays a younger Jim Moriarty. Highly intelligent and maybe more hormonal. But the same passion as the older. Living for a challenge mentally or physically. Loving and hating being alive simultaneously.
A well written or constructed villain is a joy to behold. Paper tiger villains are so boring with lots of noise and thunder. We soon get bored with them and are secretly relieved when they meet their demise. A great interpretation of a villainous character we want to never see defeated. A hero is nothing without a challenge.
In art as well as life we all need challenges
Completely agree. This is why I think Thanos was the best part of the MCU.
Well said 😊
If ever any character in ST was underused it was Moriarty. And not only in Trek, for me this is the definitive iteration of Moriarty. They did a splendid job with his character.
I think it is more complicated than that. There were legal/copyright issues surrounding the characters that made the episode a challenge to film.
@@tdeer16 never heard of that. Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes predates copyright laws and are public domain characters. Only specific iterations and interpretations that are more modern are copyrighted. Case in point this Moriarty belongs to the writer who created him as we see, but anyone can make a Moriarty character based of the original.
when you get amazing actors such as this, the longevity of the show and episodes goes on for a long time ........ timeless..
Holodeck matter. Oh boy. Add that to the Compendium of Mystery Particles of the Week.
We're all just holodeck matter
holodeck matter is energy converted into matter through emitters within the holodeck. this matter isn’t sustainable outside of the bounds of the emitters.
He could be the best Star Trek villain since Khan.
If I had a top 10 Star Trek villain and/or anti-hero list, I would put Moriarty, Khan, Lore, Gal Dukat, the Borg Queen and Q (he is an anti-hero) on my top ten list of Star Trek villains or anti-heroes.
@@123ucr The Borg Queen? Urgh... I hate that they introduced the Borg queen. Before her the Borg were mysterious, interesting, fascinating, morally and ethically ambiguous. But then, when the companies wanted to produce a movie, they thought the audience is too dumb for complex moral examination when it comes to the Borg so they desired to dumb it down by giving it an unambiguously evil leader that the audience could boo at, with essentially no plot reasons other than having an evil villain twirling its moustache and having cliche "before i kill you, Mr. Bond, i will explain you my devious evil master plan" speeches.
But he's not a villain
Dude I legit cried for moriarty in this scene. What a terrifying revelation to have, thank God Picard is the best of what a human could ve in terms of morality
Now that´s the Star Trek I remember. I loved both episodes centered on Moriarty.
Sadly that's all we can do, remember. Now star trek is just pew pew, laser beam, women are awesome, star fleet diversity is the prime directive now. Makes me sad really.
Loved this episode a crossover between two totally unrelated fiction that I like and they done Moriaty justice, I'm sure Arthur Conan Doyle would aprove.
its disturbing that after 30yrs i still know the lines from this scene, as well as many others
Consiouslness can be the hardest thing to contemplate, perhaps because like awareness itself, it has only itself to study. But with conviction alone it still can be proven with a written word and an actor as witness. Glorious.
A friend told me about some continuity for Moriarty in a written work, that involved a combination of the Doctor's holo-emitter, and eventually reaching the capacity to construct an android body much like the Soong-types, and transfer Moriarty's programming to it, allowing him to continue to exist in reality.
Totally logical solution. Wesley could have come up with it in 2 minutes.
Take an android body, introduce Moriarity's program into it, and off you go! Software can run on any hardware, even flesh.
You don’t even have to make him an android. You can make him a cyborg. Get one of those positron brain matrixes or like what the Borg do but an organic body and an artificial brain. They can clone organic parts/bodies and recreate parts via the replicators in Star Trek yet the writers dropped the ball constantly on this.
The two episodes with Moriarty are the best episodes of the whole damn show.
the actor is amazing, imagine him and picard talking about philosophy and ethics while drinking tea.
In the last few months, I've been revisiting Star Trek like seeing an old dear friend. An insight popped into my head the other day, that after the sentient hologram 'Moriarity' was first created and his subsequent confinement in an active memory module. It stands to reason that Dr. Lewis Zimmerman: the creator of the Emergency Medical Holographic program most likely was one of the scientists that took part of the initial analysis/investigation of him. The data gleaned from this unique bit of holography may have given the foundational building block for the Doctor's holomatrix.
Daniel Davis his such a great actor. Deserved to be a household name though he's a well known name in theatre acting. Every since I saw this episode at the age of 5, I have always admired him in part due to the writing, but mostly due to the portrayal of the character.
If the producers of Star Trek Picard manage to bring back Diana Muldaur for Daniel Davis’ appearance in S3, I may just lose it with utter glee.
Best scene ever in Star Trek, Stamp and Stewart are both breath takingly brilliant.
A favourite TNG villain. Superbly played by a wonderful actor.
Niles?! He is a terrific actor, obviously classically trained!
It's extremely clear, how amazing this actor is. He knew what he was doing, and delivered his lines with such a detailed style. I'm impressed by Mr. Davis.
Brilliantly imaginative! Thought provoking storytelling! And a marvelous array of characters.
Thanks for singling out scenes like this. I have a whole new appreciation for this series and its cast.
The implication is the Federation has the tech to create sentient AI just by using a insignificant of the ship's power and computational capabilities just by a user carelessly giving a command to the computer while running a holodeck simulation. I remember during the episode the engineers merely notice a weird fluctuation of power when the command was given and that's it.
The question would be, why isn't the ship's main computer that created this program is not sentient as well and why isn't the world overrun with sentient AI due to careless people giving similar orders?
Well yeah that's all logically sound. But the only answer anyone can give you is that it's a tv show.
@@ethanbrock5453 Well, it is Star Trek after all. Some logic is required at least in in sci fi show of that calibre
This episode of TNG will always stick with me, more than any other.
'Ship in a Bottle' is even better.
after watching this episode I always wanted to see a sherlock Holmes tv show staring patrick Stewart as Holmes and Daniel Davis as Moriarty
Just for those interested, Daniel Davis does the audiobook reading for one of the best star wars books before the franchise went to disney.
Darth Plagueis is an excellent listen for any Daniel Davis fan.
I love how they figured out a way to put Moriarit program into a container with a lifetime of experiences also programmed in for him.
Daniel Davis, who played the character Moriarty, was also one of the commanders in Hunt for Red October
We will see you again soon, Dr. Moriarty. In Picard Season 3.
Great looking coats they're wearing.
And the sad part is that at the end of the day they forgot all about him
oh no they didnt. He is back
He just wants to live 😢
Like all of us we just want our lives.
Truly, an extraordinary presentation with meaningful commentary on the nature of existence and the responsibility we bear for our technological capabilities. Resolving several variants of this problem probably lies in our not too distant future. Let’s hope we find a humane solution.
The problem was the ST-TNG producers didn't have the permission of the Arthur Conan Doyle literary estate to use the Holmes and Moriarty characters. They mistakenly thought it was public domain, ...and there was much legal unpleasantness afterwards. The Estate is very agressively protective of ACD's copyright and literary rights.
...So this plotline became a deadend.
Didn't Lt. Barkley bring him back later on?
T. Bunker It is totally nuts that copyright is still active for someone who has been dead for nearly 90 years, but that is Disney’s fault, not Star Trek.
@@RobynHarris In some places he's public domain since January 1, 2001 (70 years since his death).
The Conan-Doyle estate attempted to float the argument that copyright still attached to the character due to derivative works being copyrighted by their authors/producers and therefore the estate still held copyright by extension. That theory was finally knocked down for good in the 2014 ruling handed down by Judge Richard Posner in the case of Klinger v. Conan-Doyle Estate. There's nothing they can do about it now. Sherlock Holmes and his entire world are in the public domain now and forever.
This was one of my favorite episodes
"I may be an old woman by then..."
Hate to be the one to tell you, Dr. Pulaski, but you're no spring chicken.
You are here after watching the Picard Season 3 trailer.
No.
I miss Trek when it was still Trek.
I love TNG, whenever it entertained machines and holograms gaining sentience beyond normal human comprehension. As advanced as space exploration got, Data was super advanced and questioned humanity. And a hologram can question consciousness even further.
The fact that Picard shows kindness and openness to both examples being real. Love Star Trek.
Good to see someone lecturing Picard for a change! JLP is always SO smug and certain of his moral compass, yet time and again it is shown to be somewhat .... lacking.
I never thought of Picard as smug. Self assured yes, smug no. And even in his self-assuredness there was still many moments of moral doubt for him.
His moral compass functioned perfectly. His ability as a man to always follow it came up short, as it will. In contrast to later captains, who find themselves in difficult situations and lazily behaved immorally to get themselves out of them *coughSiskoandJanewaycough*
His "Moral Compass" is correct, in most situations. Like following the Prime Directive as opposed to revealing how one race feeds off the other unknowingly via drug addiction - people get mad claiming "He should have told them!", his Moral compass said otherwise and that was correct. As an intelligent species it is NONE of your business to pop in, disrupt an entire civilation, then disappear.
People who are not strong with logic, more for emotion - tend to disagree with his tactics. But Emotions are the last thing you want to rely on when dealing with Alien races and deadly situations in the most advanced starship fuckin 400 years in the future.
Smug, no. Wise, yes.
Watch this:
www.imdb.com/title/tt0708693/
He wasn't lecturing... he was litigating a premise based on a supposition, which as it turned out was flawed
The pacing of the dialog was perfect.
The man's back...
This was just one of many great plots that could become the next generation of Star Trek.
I always found the treatment of holograms in Star Trek to be a rather large ethical grey area. Particularly with the creation of people. What they do to the holograms isn't too different to what entities like Q or Negelum do with the crew, particularly in episodes like "Hide and Q".
In the end, it's just a plot device.
That's like having an ethical dilemma over video game NPCs
Or what they do to hosts in Westworld
great episode
I just rewatched this episode. This is the Peak of STTNG.
Silly ending. Seems strange that they are on a mission to discover life, only to extinguish it in this instance. They should have kept him in the holodeck. He could have been a contributing crew member of sorts. He was brilliant. Then transfer him off at a Starbase until he invented a way to make himself real. Given time, he may have done it.
They save it, not killed it.
He wasn’t killed, he was just saved for later use. They do revisit this in a later episode, but not enough.
He's not dead just in the system somewhere. It's like when Scotty was trapped in the transporter buffers
@@abehambino I see. It's too bad they did not load him up during their clashes with the Borg. He may have devised some interesting weaponry.
One of the best episodes.
this episode and this character are a class of acting Scifi has not seen in a long time.
An incredible sci-fi theme, well portrayed. After seeing it, I wished he could've been a regular, or an occasional, since he now lives on within the Enterprise. I hoped this new lifeform was further explored.
The butler on the Nanny as the character Moriarity in this hologram program is wonderous
Now THIS is Star Trek.
He's Baaaack!
It is interesting how they didn't consider him as a new life form (and what they eventually did to him in another episode), but in two other episodes they passionately fought for the rights of those nanobots and repair robots.
picard did him dirty
Niles, what are you doing on the Enterprise?
I don't know why but I love this scene more than anything. It's like watching a more refined version of Roy Batty. I really feel for him and his desire for something everyone else takes for granted. I hope they bring him back and hes not a villain but a different exploration of "measure of a man".
He immediately addresses the criteria required for sentience that was used in Data's Trial... Intelligence, Self-Awareness, Consciousness. All within the first minute of the clip.
EDIT: Also I like how he represents the frustration of the viewing audience that also want to see what's out there among the stars. Probably wont in our lifetimes given the requirement would be for humans to advance as a species.
Would like to have seen Moriarity strolling the decks with one of the EMH Mobile Emitters from Voyager. They should have epilogued that at the end of Voyager.
Daniel Davis is such a evocative actor. Someone you would include in a new show called Picard if you had a smidgen of whimsy..
You know what Picard should have done?
He should have called in a favor to Q. He should have asked Q to make Moriarty a living human being. Q could have done it.
Michael That’s actually a wonderful idea! Although knowing Q he probably wound t have been so charitable.
Because that's what you want in life, to owe a favor to Q.
Q is probably just going to screw it up with undesirable consequences. Picard wouldn't want any favors from Q regardless though.
This is their way of telling you the TRUTH of your existence.
What I have seen… all those moments… will be lost in time, like tears in rain. As true as my name is Roy Moriarty.
"When we learn how, we will come and get you."
...years pass...
Learns how, no one remembers to go get Moriarty.
Damn, Niles got intense after some centuries
greatest episode
It's interesting that this becomes such a integral character design in Star Trek Voyager. Doctor got to live so much more than Moriarty did, but still not enough for him. Why would they make me have so many sad feelings for a hologram!
That guy ( Moriarty) has the most beautiful and expressive eyes! ( The hair is pretty good too!❤)
One of the greatest minor characters on this show.
I like to imagine Moriarty's return as a subtle jab at the fire-and-forget nature of the series sometimes, considering that the plot of the episode was "Oh shit, we forgot about Moriarty!" You'd think that the next time the enterprise found itself in spacedock they would have had the program transferred to a research station of some kind... but I guess they kind of... forgot. Maybe it's cultural bias against holograms. The Doctor would be pissed.
They should just install holo emitters either on an entire deck or a part of a deck so sentient holgrams can wander around if they please. The Hirogen did it on Voyager.
he went from this to playing a butler in a sitcom....insane
Niles owned that show though, and he did a damn good job of convincing people he's British too.
Again, a prime example of how ST:TNG is the best Star Trek ever. (Not saying the others are bad, just that TNG is “the best.”)
DS9 at its best is at least equal to TNG. Think of 'Sacrifice of Angels', 'In the Pale Moonlight'. 'It's only a Paper Moon' or 'Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges' - one of Star Trek's finest hours. Both shows, TNG and DS9 are pretty much the pinnacle of Star Trek imho
Earlier in that episode Moriarty draw a picture of the Enterprise on a piece hollow deck paper and they walk off with it into the ship, in episode one Wesley falls into a holographic stream and then walks off the hollow deck and gets Picard soaking wet.
The Holodeck contains replicator technology, the food and drink you get in there is real. The Holodeck can create basic matter but isn't capable of creating a human body.
All I can see is Niles and hear his snark!
What a shame for Moriarty, he was lost with the Enterprise - D when it went down on Veridian III.
I was rather hoping Moriarty would of been used in one of the films as a tribute to the brilliance of this episode.
One of the few TNG episodes where dr pulaski really fit in as a character.
I never knew until now that this actor, Daniel Davis, voiced the Darth Plagueis audiobook. He has such a liquid voice.