The Badassery of Commander Riker
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Star Trek: The Next Generation: S3E8-The Price
an alien race discovers a natural resource in the form of a wormhole that spans part of the milky way, yet they cannot harness it's resources. devinoni ral, a manipulative and morally-deprived human/betazoid, represents a race called the that is in the auction for the natural resource along with the ferengi alliance, the federation and a few others. ral, infatuated with deanna troi, attempts to intimidate will riker, representative of the federation in said auction, with reminiscence of his past with her and thoroughly fails, despite his empathic abilities. the episode is "the price".
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He should have done that leg over the chair thing over Ral's head when he got up.
HAHA The old Reverse Riker Teabag Maneuver!
That would be the icing on the cake!
Well he did the verbal equivalent of that, close enough.
Would have been epic
The thought of that cracked me up
One thing a lot of people might not know, is that guy is an empath like Deana (1/4 betazoid). The fact that Riker, bluffed him that hard is amazing. And I know when the game started, when Ral mentioned Deana. Riker flashed that protective glare and Ral fell, right into Rikers trap. To out bluff an empath, shows just how badass he really was
You should pick up a book, title 'Imzadi'. Riker has 'some' Betazed history ;-)
@@joansparky4439 It's a great book :)
Also didn’t River show that he learned some mental skills and Deanna mental specific stuff ? They have a connection.
"All of us are 'cheating' in some form or another, therefor Riker HAS to be cheating as well...*but how?*" -Them
"My cheat is that I don't cheat." -Riker
@Holiday observation of the century. I watched TNG for years and never thought about it that way.
Made cutting remark, finished his drink, swaggered out, and left his PAD on the table..... that's why he second in command.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Good 1.:)
@Clippy red propaganda...
@Clippy sarcasm...
@Clippypost scarcity society... I don't think replicators would make the idea personal property totally obsolete. Unique pieces of art, for instance. Genuine old stuff, in general.
I love this scene so much. In showing up the smarmy pick-up artist, Riker demonstrates in word and deed what real masculinity looks like: where some guys would rage and turn physically violent, or try to show off their power and dominance in some way, Riker just calmly flips the script on the guy: instead of being provoked into violence or foolishness, he shows the true depth of his feelings for Deanna by stating that what he wants is for her to be happy, and he shows the depth of his *respect* for her by pointing out that she could make Ral a better person. Ral, who doesn't think in terms of values but in terms of winners and losers, is left speechless. Riker wins by not playing.
That’s deep.
Ral is like a younger, more intelligent version of Trump. No values beyond "winning" and seeing others lose.
Sorry. Dont buy it. When u make a statement, finish your drink and storm off without your pad...thats called wussing out. A good statement is like a fish hook. Either u catch your prey and watch it squirm, or it never worked, totally missed, and left empty. When he left his pad, that shows he went lizard mind...he left after a good bark...but no edge.
The padd is pretty much communal. Ral won't see what Riker was working on, and Riker will be able to pick another one up and be where he left off.
Also, Riker doesn't give a flying fig to make the guy squirm right now...
...It's about protecting Deanna, which he did quite well
Real masculinity? Oh, gimme a break. Can't people stop proseletyzing on what masculinity is or isn't, or should be. Just let people be themselves rather than lecturing them on some either politically warped (the left) or old fashioned (the right) or religiously mandated (the loony) ideal. "Real masculinity" is whatever the hell men like, just as 'real femininity' is however women like to be. It's an individual choice. So all of you get off your damn pulpits and stop sermonizing to everyone else. Instead might want to ask why you feel such a driving desire to sermonize in the first place.
Ral: awww you're freindzoned QQ guess I'm gonna get ur girl
Riker: I genuinely care about Deanna whether we're dating or not. Also I don't see her as my possession and respect her choices in relationships because I'm not an asshole. Your words have no effect on me and only point out your own pettiness.
Ral.exe is not responding
severe burn victims rarely do.
Medical Team to Ten Forward immediately!
We have a burn victim here.
Code white.
Epilogue: 13 years later Riker sends him an invitation to he and Troi's wedding. Troll level 9000.
CancerLicker i can see that
lol 😂😂😂😂
Aboard his own ship the titan
And because it's a Betazed wedding, Ral would soon see why Riker's got the balls to become a Starfleet captain. >:) While Ral.....
CancerLicker well played sir, well played..”to the last mile..”
Ral didn't have a chance. You need a beard to beat Riker.
What about before Riker had a beard?
Magnums mustache will do
@@BladeOfLight16 His beard transcends time.
@@BladeOfLight16 He wasn't so stolid back then.
Or be Picard
This is a good mindset to have in life and a great way in dealing with overly competitive people. People who think everything's a competition that needs to be dominated and conquered. He insults Riker that he's only second incommand and that he will take Deana too. Riker flips the frame of competition and makes it about value adding. He genuinely doesn't mind if him or Troi are happy together because it would be value adding for the both them. He's know that serving as second incomand to Picard brings more value to the crew with added benefits to the federation rather than pining for Command now just to satisfy his own ego and pride. If everyone behave like this the world would be a better place ...
Hell, by this point Riker was second in command because /he wanted to be/--I think he'd already passed up at least one offer of command by now. Same thing with Deanna--Riker made a deliberate choice, knowing what he was giving up. That was two bad reads Ral made--easy mistakes from someone without any long term vision.
@@ematuskey Riker wanted to be on the Enterprise more than having his own command. Think about it, the Enterprise is the Federation's flagship. Whatever is out there, they are going to be the first ones to find it. Sounds like being 1st officer on the Enterprise is a much more prestigious and interesting place to be, rather than on some heavy cruiser patrolling the Cardassian or Romulan border. After the events of "Best of Both Worlds" though, I'm sure Starfleet offered him a command on a long range exploration mission on a similar Galaxy class ship, or hell command of his choosing. The fact he didn't take it says more about the show-runners need to keep continuity in an episodic format more than anything.
He is saying he already won and wins regardless and knows he will win regardless, he isn't worried no matter what happens, it's still an ego play.
THIS. 1000x this. I'm a director now...and how I appreciate the folks I work with when they enjoy the shared mission and I don't feel like folks are eyeing me for the chair. I also miss the time when I was a "second-in-command" and had the backs of the staff with management. i have a boss and we get along really well...but they're geographically distant and I have a lot of autonomy, which is nice but it gets a bit lonely.
WTF are you talking about!
I swear if I ever get to meet Jonathan Frakes I'm gonna shake his hand and tell him that he taught me the definition of being cool.
Wow. You need insight. And GOD.
There is no God.
Stephen Murray Yes there is.
If there wasn't a God we wouldn't have gotten MST3K back
I don't know what MST3K is?
Ral: I'm gonna take her, too
Riker: no you CAN'T don't even try
Jonathan frakes : it didn't happen.
Love that scene.
Picard: I beg your pardon.
Riker: I said shut up, as in close your mouth and stop talking 🤣😂
@@mag9418 Data: "Sir, I can explain"
Riker:
Come on, I dont even have to write it down, we ALL now what follows
It's a fabrication.
Our writers made it up.
Word sparring. Riker just kicked his ass, intellectually.
And then punched a hole in the wall outside the bar... lol...
Imagine if that was O'Brien. He'd have had to finish negotiations from the brig and Ral would need to use Captain Pike's beep chair.
And THEN Ral would have to deal with Keiko...
The only Woman in the Known Universe who scares Miles O'Brien.
The janitorial staff is lucky it wasn't Worf. They'd be pressure cleaning entrails from the ceiling.
@@digitalis2977 And Worf fears no one, except a pregnant Keiko. Just mention pregnant and Keiko in the same sentence, and Worf is high-tailing it to the nearest shuttle.
@@Synthmilk Except that Worf hasn't won a fight in his life. He's the guy who gets defeated so the audience knows the other guy is really tough.
@@WalterLiddy There are a few Jem'Haddar that would disagree with you....and Duras....and Gowron.....and Martok's son....LOL Still,you're correct in that they used him that way at first.Once he hit DS9 they unleashed him a bit.
Arguably the smoothest talker in all of Star Trek canon got taken down hard by Riker.
The thing I noticed this time is that Riker showed a lot of respect for Troi here, by trusting that she could make her own relationship decisions. The other guy assumed that Riker would want to fight him over Deanna, but as Riker and Troi have no committed relationship, Riker is fully happy to let Troi take the reins in her own love life.
I'm pretty sure they were lovers by this point in the series, they weren't courting each other at this point.
@@LandersWorkshop They were earlier on, but at this point they were exes who were close friends and still loved each other but had decided it wouldn't work
@@junbh2 I remember... poker chips falling to the floor...... Imzadi..... I think there were a few Benefits nights in that friendship. It's lonely between the stars.
The other guy thought that Riker would see Troi as he himself did; a prize possession to compete over, just like the wormhole. He wasn’t ready to view her as an equal partner, able to affect his life and character as she had Riker’s.
Damn Riker is such a stand up guy. He's the sort you'd really regret losing as a buddy.
That guys got alot of balls getting mouthy with Riker, the man who was willing to kill his friend and mentor when he was assimilated by the Borg...just imagine what he will do to you if he doesnt like you
To be fair, if you can't rescue someone from the Borg Collective, killing them is the merciful thing to do.
That look on his face "Say Deanna ONE MORE TIME, PUNK! to the last mile you piece of shit!"
"just imagine what he will do to you if he doesnt like you"
Well, I don't have to imagine, because it's EXACTLY what we see here :D
He was willing to destroy a ship with Worf onboard being held hostage and he was willing to destroy the Enterprise to protect his crew onboard the Klingon ship: he’s not afraid of consequences nor killing, just commitment if it interferes with his duties
And Riker eventually married her, checkmate!
What...He did?
borgduck And now they're weiner cousins.
@@ARBBFamily Yeah in that awful movie Nemesis.
"A similar event took place."
After she was used up.
2:12 - love that 'You done just f-ed up, smile he gives him!
That was a perfect description.
He assumed Riker 'lost' deanna when that wasn't the case at all. Loved that scene.
See here's the difference. Ral is infatuated with Deanna, he's in lust, whatever. He wants her, he wants to "have her" but...Riker and her have been in the trenches in a lot of ways, they've all as a ship faced life or death situations, she is more than just a woman or a love interest, she's a friend and a trusted confidant. She's something far deeper to Riker than just a simplistic title. They give each other space to breath and the space to grow into individuals who are far stronger than they were when they dated. When Ral mentions his love for her being different, he's right. Riker loves her and respects her enough to give her the dignity of managing her own love life and not beating his chest like a fool over her. And he does so without compromising his own dignity either. He's confident in himself as an individual to not let Ral goad him into pettiness.
Serenity now, insanity later.
Riker proves you don’t need to throw a punch to be a total badass.
Except if you're second in command on a Klingon Bird of Prey.
Then you very much need to throw a punch.
He pushed the Deanna button. He shouldn't had pushed the Deanna button.
you cannot take a woman's affection it can only be earned and that's what riker knew which is why he didn't get upset
Masterful response to arrogance
This scene was masterfully acted by both men!
It was always going to be hard to compare yourself to Picard, the greatest Star Trek captain in history, but TNG would not have been the show it is without Riker being almost equally amazing. I give Frakes so much credit for not cowering and finding his strength as an an actor and an unbelievable second officer.
Picard is a close second but even he admits a certain James Tiberius Kirk beats him
@@chrismc410 ... Not by a long shot, Kirk was too impulsive and very unprofessional in some cases, if you smashed a green alien woman you definitely need counseling !!
@@lobby-3alliance196 and picard was often too pacifist also dont forget different era's Picard wouldn't be that good in Kirk's time and likewise Kirk wouldn't be that good im Picard's time.
Riker is from.Alaska,.Earth, tougher than a frozen tundra
Well written, well said. Most guys would have lashed out. Riker kept his cool and twisted the knife after stabbing him in his ear.
Guinan needs to put the air recycling in Ten forward up to full, if she wants to get the smell of severe burning out of there. "This is Guinan to sick bay, severe burn victim in Ten forward, please hurry, victim may not last much longer".
The Riker walk, gotta have that head lean a tiny bit.
I always thought Frakes borrowed it from John Wayne.
Drinks the shot, then drops the mic.
...But forgets his Starfleet pad at the bar. Try explaining that later after Picard reads the requisition request fir yet another pad left in a bar by Riker.
@@TheBlackLibraryOriginal The pad was his mic.
@@TheBlackLibraryOriginal One could say he was so confident in his bid that he's willing to lay it out for everyone to see.
When you have a royal flush and everyone's called their bets, there's no reason to hide your cards.
What phenomenal writing and acting!
Y'see now THIS is real Star Trek.
Amen :)
Riker was absolutely top class as a first officer.
One of the best written scenes in Star Trek.
agree completely
@@jackssmirkingrevenge9365 And props to the guest star, who managed to deliver those lines in a way that really makes you dislike the guy and cheer all the more when Riker delivers the smackdown - by the way, most actors will tell you that they like playing the bad guy more than the good guy.
DS9 had the best scenes. I would put this in the top 50, at best.
Jonathon Frakes is SO underrated. I love how he played Riker. The relationship between Troi and Riker is astounding and really does show how evolved their culture is...the pettiness of love and relationships today is below him. He truly loves Deanna...enough to let her go if it makes her happy. Doesn't matter if it's that guy or Worf or whoever...if she's happy, he's happy for her, and that's love.
Though I think deep down he knew that Troi would be smart enough (and empathic enough) to cut through Ral's bullshit eventually and see his true lack of character, so he knew their relationship would never really win out.
Is that what your wife's boyfriend says about you?
@@Tespri Aww, all of the sad little incels are coming out now that their dearest Dumb Donald is going down in flames.
@@Teletheus Incel? You don't even know what that word means.
I'm the opposite of incel. Actually pretty much a chad in real life :D
Literally called as casanova and a player.
@@Tespri Sure, lil’ buddy. 😉
Any real “Chad” wouldn’t need to call himself a “Chad” on RUclips to feel better about himself like you just did.
And “called as [sic] casanova [sic] and a player?” So you’re illiterate *AND* an incel? Bless your weak little heart. I almost feel sorry for you!
Ral: I'm here and I'm going to take her too.
Riker: Not this time, it's pure fiction.
Riker: "We made it all up".
That's a real man right there. He knows himself and has values he lives by. Not a slave to his ego. Smooth.
That guy got riker'd
Riker rocked the motherfuckin' house on that one.
And married the bitch
If anyone has watched the episodes wherein Riker is participating in the poker game, they'd realize Riker has an unbeatable poker face. He knows when to bluff, knows when not to bluff and he especially knows when he's being bluffed. Ral was bluffing, Riker called him on it.
This has to be in the top 5 best written scenes in ST:TNG. Ral THINKS he's caught Riker flat-footed and BAM!
One of the best scenes, not just in this series, but in modern television. An amazing line, delivered perfectly.
Senzu Bean!
He never could compete with Lloyd Braun!!!
Lloyd Braun can do anything he puts his mind to!
Am I crazy or did I just get burned
Serenity now. Insanity later.
HAHAHAHA - Thanks for saying it, I would always think that when watching that episode, lol. I never bought Matt McCoy as some Lothario who could woo Troi, he just seems kinda dorky.
@@IsoscelesKramer You wanna BET! SERENITY NOW...SERENITY NOW!
And, come the end of the episode, Troi provides his big reveal.
Troi: "This man is an empath."
Riker: "Hang on. You mean I successfully bluffed an _empath?_ Don't know my own strength."
Riker is one of my favorite ST characters of all time and Jonathan Frakes plays the part perfectly.
Matt McCoy is an underrated actor. Ral would have been a great recurring character on TNG.
Brilliant writing. You don't get that any more with current sci fi shows.
Ouch I felt that. I don't think there's a hypo spray in the quadrant that that'll take care of that burn.
0:23
Riker using a Samsung Note 5...25 years before it was made?!?
Ben Knapp there is an episode where a note 7 blows up a shuttlecraft
More like 360 years after lol
I love hearing Riker refer to morals and scruples as "values", alongside money, and victory. I think that's a beautifully integrated way to look at life. That's why he can have moral integrity, and still win.
I got 2 words for ya
Mic drop
This is why Riker was always a prime candidate for a command of his own.
That's why he was given the Titan.
"Guignan to Dr. Crusher." "Go ahead, Guignan." "Medical emergency in 10-Forward. Burn victim."
Dude, you really shouldn’t have brought Deanna into this.
Not rekt
Rekt
>BURNING REKAGE
Rikage
I don't think even Dr crusher can heal him from that sic burn delivered by Riker. This guy has as many values as chairs have seatbelts on a starship.
Man does that other guy ever over-act this scene. Brutal. I like him better on Seinfeld.
Frakes is great in this though.
I didn't think so, I thought that was just part of the character's vapid personality, which made him seem really fake. And even the character himself was just playing an act in trying to rile up Riker.
It's a dorky guy who got the Hollywood makeover and so now he has to act handsome but still in there is that dash of dork
Now compare this to the millenial trash talk in ST:D or ST:P and tell me that the new ST is a worthy successor....
@ Ok boomer
In the end, he did try to keep Deanna, but she saw through him at last. Better late than never.
She knew from the start it wasn’t meant to last. In that famous scene with her and Crusher stretching, she confided in Crusher and that was more or less their conclusion.
In the strictest sense, Riker didn’t beat Ral.
He busted him up.
Riker went full DataWorf on Ral. He has learned well.
Riker took a sip… walked 5 feet, turned around and blasted Ral in the nutts with the phaser. He then came back to the table, grabbed the tablet and said “just try that in hyperspace!”
He left his tablet at the table
He can always replicate another one
Eh. It's property of the Enterprise - part of her too. The data's probably on another one or some console by the time he reaches the door.
43854586 whenever I watch star trek with my dad, he always says, "alright, put the iPad down and pay attention."
Riker left it there on purpose as it only contained porn of him and Deanna.
Riker's way of saying "I broke her in for you."
35 updates pending and the wifi is shithouse in his cabin.
His real mistake is thinking of Troi as a possession. Instead of saying she'd make him better, Ryker should have pointed out she'd never fall for a guy who thinks of her that way.
Nope. That would be playing Ral’s game. Not to mention stoking his ego. What Riker did was far, far better.
Riker why can't you be more like Lloyd Braun
Part of me wonders if Riker mailed Ral a pair of Thaddeus' baby socks just as a reminder...🤣🤣
Your mother was right, you could never compare to Lloyd Braun
I'll never forgive myself for forgetting this scene 😂, how irritating it was seeing Deana with another man other then Riker, this scene was a genius and thus brilliant writing!!
"Hey Will, you forgot your iPhone!!"
It's a Galaxy 7. :-)
Only Androids are permitted on Enterprise.
@@seventhson2151 Oh you cheeky...I see what you did there.
The Redoubtable Commander Riker wrecks another poor sap.
Devinoni pretty much lifted his foot off the tiger's neck when he mentioned Deanna....and Riker, the Alpha tiger he was, pounced on him like he was lunch. :D
One of Ral's big problems here is that he has his facts wrong:
(1) Sending a probe through the wormhole and awaiting its key scientific data is following the Starfleet book on how to assess the prospects of such phenomena. It is quite doubtful that Starfleet would have a problem with Riker awaiting the probe's data before placing a bid.
(2) As others have mentioned here, Riker is second in command of the Enterprise by choice, having turned down multiple offers of command from Starfleet. So not only does Riker no doubt believe his is CO worthy, so do his bosses.
(3) Riker didn't lose Deanna... it was his choice to pursue his Starfleet career over marrying her.
Being a troll is bad enough... but trolling based on a false narrative just makes Ral look like an idiot.
Some guys could really learn from Riker. Never let anybody provoke you who could not reach the sole of your shoe even he stands tip toed and reaches.
I'm going to take her too...
Riker: *slow smile* who decided that?
Ral was Lloyd Braun in Seinfield. SERENITY NOW!!!
Maybe this incident is what put him in the nuthouse.
Insanity later!
And that's what you call stamping on a guy's cohones! BOOM! (drop the mic)
If Ral didn't bring up Deanna, I think Riker might've fallen for the provocations. Bringing up Deanna however, made Riker see how ludicrous Ral's taunts were. The idea that his glib could fool her into being "his", as if she wasn't intelligent, principled and mature enough to see through him, gave Riker the break he needed to take a step back and laugh at the whole thing. Riker's respect for Deanna was stronger than his ego. Ral's wasn't. That's why Ral lost.
Precisely! Like that scene in a movie that half draws you in, even when you sense there’s fakery…and then, a completely ridiculous thing happens in that movie which not only is ludicrous and unbelievable, but fully embodies the lack of credibility of the entire movie. You can never see that movie in the same way again.
"Perhaps you'd like an analgesic cream?"
Any Voyager fans out there should remember an episode this led to.
THIS SHOULD BE A THUG LIFE VIDEO !!!!!
David Louis please don't ruin the awesomeness with that new fad
And in Ral's case, this is the reason why Luke Skywalker once said to Palpatine "Your over-confidence is your weakness".
Oh, my God, it's Lloyd Braun! "Serenity now, insanity later!"
If Ral was such a hotshot negotiator, how did he end up selling auto insurance for The Hartford?
god I miss this show.
Little did he know that Riker remained as "#2" due to choice. He has gotten multiple offers to command his own vessel... he just specifically wanted to command the Enterprise someday.
I think he did know that, and was suggesting turning down the command was due to cowardice or an unwillingness to take risks.
synthetic scotch, synthetic commanders.
lets be real here, Ral was spitting facts all the way up to the "im going to take her too" remark. that is why up to that point Riker was able and willing to hear him out, because Riker has the emotinal maturity and wherewithal to recognize and acknowledge the truth regardless of it's source. the moment Ral changed over from speaking truth to speaking pridefully, Riker was done listening and shut him down succinctly and with class
I would say there was JUST enough truth to what Ral was saying to make Riker doubt himself…e.g. the reason why Riker was second in command. But the truth is that Riker was being handed opportunities to command his own vessel on silver platters and was turning them down, so it was more by Riker’s choice than Riker’s qualifications.
Lloyd Braun!
There's a reason they basically made Xanatos a cartoon William Frakes.
that and the fact that he voiced the character also
There is a difference between being "SECOND in command" and being "second in COMMAND"
This scene sold me nonmonogamy, which saved my life.
Riker's response at the end couldn't have been better. What a brilliant comeback to that slimewad.
Writer must’ve went to bed happy after writing that scene :)
It would have been even better if he'd remember to take his PADD from the table when he walked out.
@@NeilFraser It said "FU" on the PADD
Riker eventually gets his own command.
"If you want to lead learn to follow."
To the last mile 🍻
Serenity Now!!
Both savage and classy. Well done
Anyone ever noticed Jonathan Frakes uses his head like turning signals 😆? He literally turns his head in the direction walking
Then Riker walks back in
“Sorry, forgot my padd”
walks back out again having completely ruined his badassery.
Only thing missing from this is a Riker reverse chair-mount!