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If I had your wall, folks, I would be greedy and have both! Stick with the 85 for most things, like TV, streaming, news, gaming, and most sports. Whilst also keeping reference quality colour and motion. Then have a drop down projector screen for film night (not even all films, perhaps) at a MUUUUUCH larger size. Using tone-mapping to solve the lack of Dolby Vision on projectors that are within the reach of us mere mortals. 😏 (none of this ust projector stuff for me, though)
Finally! An actual review of the TCL XL. I can't believe that other major TV reviewers haven't done reviews. Andrew, mentioned how much you enjoyed gaming on the TCL, but I think that could have warranted it's own section in the video. Thanks!
Reliability is always my concerns with brands like this. I work at Best Buy, and this year we have had 4/6 of our TCL TVs die for one reason or another. Yes their on all the time, but so is Sony and Samsungs. Idk just my opinion! Great review!
Thank you for mentioning it. I wouldn't want to pay thousands only for it to break. Although I'd be opening it up and trying to fix it. Even if you don't know what you're doing you're far more likely to fix it if you open it up
My first Samsung broke after 1.5 year under warranty. They changed the whole screen and told me, it would have cost around 1000 Euros without warranty. After the repair, the TV lasted for 10 more years.
which models though? because TCL clearly has more budget tiers than other brands. If you compared the price to reliability, does it stack up? I haven’t heard any reviewers address it
Great review. I've had about 15 front projectors over the last 30+ years. My current front projection setup is about $3300 with my 106" screen but can do about a 125" from the spot it is mounted. It's in my living room and I do have a few blackout curtains, but light does come from other rooms. The picture still amazes me. We rarely encounter too much light that would bleed the colors, but it does happen occasionally. The thing I love about a projector is the extremely wide viewing angle, and the zero-glare image. I need to have a 98" tv at the $4-$5k range to make me want to switch, and even at that, it's a compromise on size. Just like 98" seems that much bigger than an 85", a 106 or 110" is that much bigger than a 98". At the sale price of $5k or less, I'm probably a buyer. If it hits less than $4k, I am a buyer.
Absolutely a convert! Already pulled the 120 projection screen down rearranged the seating and installed the Sony 86 but as soon as I heard about the TCL, I knew I had to have it and you guys just confirmed it 🙌
Who would you rate watching this T.V. in daylight vs watching the game on the 120 Projector in the same daylight Joel? I love the 120 at night .. . . just curious
@@serendipityguy I have been in the projector game for a long time and I have to say to be able to get this size display, no calibration required, plug it in and enjoy... its game over. Just adjust your viewing distance for the level of immersion you desire and you are good to go day or night. I do have a 200'' screen in my shop for concert dvds so there's that fun factor that projectors will always hold for me.
I bought an 85 inch Sammy 2 years ago after contemplating between that and a projector. The only way I'm upgrading my TV in the next 5 years is if these 98inch TVs come way down in price like the 85s did. Bigger is always better imo. Great review guys as always,
Amazing how being patient benefits one with technology. 85 inch tv for under 7k used to be a dream. In 2016 my first Sammy 4k curved was $2200 now tech got 86" tvs for less than half
This TV is definitely making me question the projector life. Having that size screen being fully accessible at any time of day - as opposed to always waiting for the sun to disappear - is a game changer. Shout out TCL
You get it 😉 A lot of people forget (or don't know) that I come from a projection background. I used projectors in my main living room for years. So I'm not poo-pooing on projectors, it's just that as time and tech have evolved, TVs have gotten bigger and better, that for many, a 98" display is "big enough" to be theatrical --especially in true, mixed lighting situations.
@@s.k634 and that you can still go much much bigger. I have a 135 inch screen. In the future I want to go even bigger. Imagine trying to have say 12-15 family members and friends over. Even a 98” won’t be big enough for a true cinematic experience. Plus I don’t like the way TVs look for movies, I prefer projector. Yes TVs are sharper and look better (though the Epson LS12000 is a beast and so are JVCs and they aren’t that far off quality wise) but for me there is magic when watching a movie on a projector vs a tv
They released a 98" model but only in China and outside only having 52 backlit zones it seems almost identical to this one. Dolby Vision, HDR, 1600 nits per TCL, for 21,999 yuan. You know what that converts to in US dollars? 3012 dollars US. I would take the less zones for that price but obviously it isn't being released in the US but I'm expecting something similar by TCL for that price in the US next year. Obviously that's a guess but still, 3K for a 98" TV and yes, it has VRR, 2.1 and all the gaming features this model has. The TCL Q10G is a Mini LED TV with 672 partitions. I haven't looked at mini LEDs recently but that's a copy and paste from an article so I'm not even sure what partitions are but it's in the article I read so just passing the information along. Just search for the model number to see for yourself, well, see the article/articles anyways. No idea why it's only being released in China.
@@PerfectorZY Well for 5.9 million you can get Sony's 780" 16K modular LED TV. Obviously that's expensive but 780" and 16K which at that size it would actually need to be because of size as 4K would not look good on something that size . It seems like they are mostly being used to replace green screens right now as Disney uses them for all their shows now instead of green screens so the actors can see what's going on around them. Apparently it's been making some actors sick it's so realistic according to what some actors have said. Oh, rich people, they have them also. I need a house that even comes close to having that size of a wall first.
Excellent video! I love both of your comments and perspectives. I'm retiring soon so I'm collecting all of my toys now but always aware that the "next big thing" is always just around the corner. Keep up the good work!!
I bought the original 65 825 mini led set and the color balance and flesh tones was right on the money, plus the black levels and lack of blooming was excellent. If this set can come close to that at this size they have a winner. I upgraded to a Sony 75 Z9K and I get what you say about the picture processing and dimensionality of the picture is just on another level. It should be for the money they charge but it blows away my TCL when watching any high bitrate 4khdr or 1080p content and the colors out of the box sre perfect, then you have so many adjustments to make it look even better. I paid 1400 for the TCL and I still love watching it in my bedroom, if I hadn't come into enough money to afford my 8k mini led beast I'd still be happy with the TCL in my living room. If you want really big and don't have Sony money my bet is you'll love the XL TCL.
I picked one of these up last year while it was on sale to replace a 120" projector screen (biggest I can go in my space). The step down in size was noticeable at first but like you said, you get used to size changes relatively quickly. I have a multi-purpose space and the ability to have lights on and still get a good image is well worth the trade-off in my eyes. My biggest concern was viewing angles, but I watch from all over the place and I don't think the image quality diminishes enough to be an issue. TCL just announced a Mini-LED version of this TV and I'm very interested to see what people think about it as it rolls out.
Agree with you about the viewing angle. It's not a big deal to me but Andrew had to mention it. Hopefully we'll be able to review the Mini LED version. I think they make great TVs!
Great video!! I’ve been looking towards UST as a possible solution since I have a family room 7.2.4 setup with a 75” LG led tv now. Many like me have certain limitations like room brightness and functional usability. I’d have to spend another $3k just to rework my electronics cabinet with a Salamander or BDI, so I’m always conscious of that additional cost factor. Now that very large screens are becoming cost effective, I think it’s just a matter of time that this will ultimately be our best solution. Thanks again for your work on this one. If you keep it, we’d love to have a video describing how you’ve discovered pros & cons over time.
Another excellent review Andrew and Kristi! Thank you! I was able to get one for $4k and just got it yesterday. Although the 2023 is about to come out, I couldn’t pass up that price! Although I know they are all “personal preference”, but I’d love to know what picture settings you adjusted beyond just switching to “movie profile” if any. Anyone else getting this TV and isn’t going to mount it, Ashley furniture has a great 92” console/stand for $800. Thanks again!
Great review. I’ll still stay with my 110” front projection for now, until it’s time to upgrade this throws in a very good alternative. Btw, when is the anthem review coming? Or have I missed or already, but I don’t find it. Thank you. Great channel.
Loved the video. Appreciate the fact that you gave your non-technical reaction to just the sheer size of it, as well breaking down the numbers. Wish I was in the position to get this, but I'm guessing once I am this size will be the new 75 inch lol.
It is also worth noting that you cannot have true HDR with front projection since there is no way to do local dimming with reflected light, just an HDR tone-mapped image, and I just don't count that as true HDR, though I have seen some QLEDs do a good job with dual color backlit LEDs without local dimming. Still though, a projector cannot make that kind of contrast, even a really good sony or JVC. That said, I made my theater with a false wall, three identical tower speakers, and a 128" acoustically transparent screen, making a cinema-like soundstage that is hard to make with a TV with speakers around it set up. All tradeoffs.
Nice!! Yeah im so done w front projection. The amount you have to spend to get a good projector…a large flatscreen is just so much more practical. Cheers.
If you're comparing in the neighborhood of 120" or less with a projector, I will buy that this is competition. However, there are many that have very large projection screens. Mine has 3 times the surface area of a 98" tv. Seeing your enthusiasm for sheer size, and I will agree, size is king with a movie experience, you can NOT compare this tv to the awe factor of a projection screen. Will I ever be tempted by a television? Could be, but not until they are 3 times this size, and that won't happen. It is exciting to see that you guys are enjoying it! I'm sure you will! -Tony
I have the 85" TCL and honestly the game has been changed. It's the best invesment I've ever made as a cinephile. Calibrated SDR with Calman and will be doing the same with HDR, Dolby Vision isn't super calibrat(able?)...but still, the entire package is an incredibly immersive experience. Enjoy it thoroughly and I too was looking to go down the road of the UST projectors to try and recreate the experience of a cinema but the flexibility and reality of home viewing and flexible light viewing. It's the best thing I ever did personally, absolutely love it as a newbie to the HT experience!
Made the jump from a 42 inch 1080p LCD panasonic tv to the 77 inch 4K LG c2 around Christmas. Night and day difference. I have a projector as well (Panasonic Ae4000), that I ran at 130inches screensize, but required significant light control in the room to be viewable. Now the projector sits on a shelf, and we LOVE the LG C2 using it nightly. Do you find physical Media vs Streaming is better? If media is better, what hardware do you suggest to pair with the TV?
I'm downsizing to a smaller home and this will be perfect in my new house, I love my 120"/projector setup but in a smaller room I'm sure I won't notice the smaller TV screen too much. Great review, I hope it goes on sale before I move in 🤞
We just got a new tv after 10 years … We now have the Sony Bravia A80k XR OLED in 55” ..and omg 😱 this thing is phenomenal…I’m sure that bigger is better BUT quality is still king. Great video as always 😋
I really thought 85 inches was amazingly large and the prices (at that size) have come down quickly. I can see manufacturers start competing on an even larger size like this one. Inflation really hasn’t hit the TV market. Instead, super bowl sale prices were lower this year for better TVs than what they sold the year before. It so cool!
If my projection screen was around 100", I would definitely be considering one of these TVs. But at 135", no I am not considering it at all. And in a dedicated treated room with a JVC, I am not missing out anything in picture quality either. It will probably be many more years before micro LED becomes an affordable and practical alternative for folks like me.
I initially skipped watching this video as I assumed a 98" TV wouldn't be in my budget but I'm glad I watched it. I was budgeting $4-5k for a screen so once I'm ready to buy it'll be a matter of finding it on sale.
21:00 I love my 120 inch projection screen and Canon projector (not even a 1080p or 4K projector, but it's a lot of fun and the screen and projector setup only cost me about $300 since the projector had been slightly used), but this 98 inch TCL 4K TV does change everything, so once it becomes more affordable, it should easily tempt a lot of home theatre enthusiasts like me to consider this as a much more versatile option.
At that price point and that size, it is hard to justify a projector in all honesty. What a magnificent device it is and a great review as usual from Andrew & Kristi you guys 100% sold me lol.
@@TheMeefive its really not, you don’t need to sit close to have 98” fill your field of vision. in the average living room thats like sitting in the middle row of the theatre. you can always go bigger and naturally as humans we will always want bigger, but there is a point where you’re watching a movie and forget that the screen exists, and that is the primary goal, not sheer size. even IMAX understands this, thats why they concentrate just as much on immersive aspect ratio and image quality, not just size.
of course if you’re building an entire home theatre with more than a single row of seats, its not gonna be ideal. but 98” is pretty damn close and is usually the starting place for projector screen size. and you’re certainly spending a minimum of 50 grand. projectors have become more affordable but they’ve hit a ceiling, by far the bigger cost is building the theatre. I love my projector but its just no longer practical, meanwhile you can put an OLED display anywhere it will fit and it will be perfect no matter what. Size is no longer a factor in these decisions.
Great review, I'm considering purchasing this tv to replace my optoma p2 ust projector. What reciever connections did you use? I connect everything to my receiver, then hdmi out to display. Did you use erc or hdmi 2.1?
I've been waiting for "affordable" large format screens to finally rid my media room of the projector. Still gonna wait for as long as the light bulb holds out before actually making a purchasing decision. The day will eventually come when I down size (120") but I want to see more options before being an "early" adopter.
I am so over projection. Positioning for long throw, short, it gets to be a pain I don't want to deal with. This TV will be great till the 97" Oled comes down in price. Thanks for the review guys.
I’ve considered this television, but it’s just hard for me to move away from OLED to this. The size definitely just captures you with its cinematic experience. But OLED just delivers gorgeous colors and contrast. I’m torn between this and an 83 inch OLED.
At 98" this is where 8k would have been perfect. An 8k 98" panel has the same (bit higher) pixel density as a 50" 4k panel. At the original $8500 it should be 8k. I think the discounted prices on this TV at $5000 is a lot more appealing for the 4k model.
Haha, great question, guys! Yes, I am a major fan of my projection theater... BUT now we're building our retirement home. BLUF: YES So we still want a gr8 theater experience, but in a smaller home and lower budget. And frankly, and this is key, one we can enjoy more often/easily. While this cost about the same as a decent project ($4k)... for the cost of the sq-ft home size increase, plus 155" screen, etc. I can buy a whole bunch of powered shades and lighting controls to use this TCL in a Gr8/Living Room. So, YES, this will work for me too! Cheers, Eric
Great review , I am actually debating between PJ and tv for my next media/office room. I currently have a benqw2700 with 86" screen. I could go 83 OLED, 85 LCD or front PJ .the choice is hard
Thats the video I was waiting for. I've been rocking a Vava 4k UST + Vividstorm 120" ALR screen for the past two years - the cinema immersion can't be beat (incl. the wife being just in love with it) and its really difficult to go to anything thats smaller - BUT - Everything you said rings true! Getting the UST setup just right, paranoia once you figured it out that somebody bumps into it and washed out picture during the day, etc. The center speaker issue I fixed good enough for me a a good while ago with 2x 1st gen Homepods as my main audio setup through Apple TV (+Arc functionality for the PS5) ;). Honestly though - TCL 2nd gen with 98" at under 5k and I'd switch in a heartbeat!
I installed commercial TV's and AV systems for 8 years. When I started, an 80" was the largest I put in, most recently, these 98s were routinely sold. When the size first came out, they were SO heavy, took at least 3 guys to hang, or 4 like me! We ONLY used Chief brand mounts, I consider them the best for hanging displays that size. Transporting these huge displays required use of a trailer, they didn't have a box truck, and we routinely received damaged displays from shipping. Personally, I like my projector for movies, but only because it was free!
Love the TV. It seems like an awesome product. If I had a dedicated space for my tv, then I’d definetly consider a big tv like this one. I’ve said it before in this channel but Im commenting for new viewers. The reason Im using a projector (and will continue to do so) is for space considerations. My wife did not want a huge black square in the middle of the livingroom (the tv when in off state) and she also wanted a bookshelf (a big one). So the only way we could have a huge screen, lots of books and not having the visual impact of a huge tv-monitor was to go for projection with a ceiling mounted electric screen that drops down in front of the bookshelf when in use, and gets out of the way when not in use. We’ve never regretted that decision. Of course, the black levels is not OLED. But it’s still very impressive and cinematic while taking very little space. This could be a tip for anyone having the same discussions at home 😊
TCL has really taken over as the king of value TV's. They are putting out a really quality product with great picture in the last couple of years. In terms of "larger always being better" I have to disagree though - this is 100% dependent on your space and your viewing distance. You got a big room that you've designed for a huge screen which is perfect. For me, having a giant screen when you're sitting only 5-6 ft away is an eye killer though. I tried a 65 inch at 5ft and had a very hard time with part of the screen being in my peripheral vision, had to swap back to 55 inch. Curious if you've guys have had a chance to view or review any of Sony's OLEDs. I have an A80J and I absolutely love it...the A95K is mind blowing, and I believe Sony is close to announcing their new lineup in the next couple of months. Sony is the king of picture quality right now, in my opinion at least 🙃
You should review the black levels of a UHD disk vs. stream. I have never seen a stream with great black levels. That seems to be where the compression sets in. (Unless you have a Kaliascape) I know you hate physical media, but it really is still at the top tier
I just bought an 85 inch Samsung for $2,500 about 6 months ago and now that tv is down to $1,800 so prices are coming down fast so when it hits $3,500 I'm all in and the 85 inch goes up in the bedroom.
Excellent review!!! I'm still a projector guy...even though I agree with you and Kristi on many points. Maybe in a couple of years after I retire...who knows! I've also used TCL's and they tend to last about 6-7 years before the board gives out (I opened mine up and was shocked to see that it was basically a computer...repaired it myself and got 2 more years out of mine...it was a bedroom tv). This would be too big to repair.
This TCL 98 inch TV is currently $10,000 at Canada's BestBuy (higher than the U.S. dollar to Canadian dollar exchange rate), but there are 85 inch TV's that are $2,500 to $3,000, so just as those larger TV's are becoming more affordable and attainable, so will this TCL model or future models. We do indeed live in exciting times. :)
In a living room I 100% agree tv all day. In dedicated theater. I will still take a projector. Reason 1 is a even larger picture. Reason 2 acoustically transparent screen and matching LCR. Reason 3 is 2.39:1 screen. No black bars.
Appreciate this review. Excited about the bang for the buck for this TV. Waiting to see the picture and price for tcl new q series 98" tv that is supposed to come out this year. Also waiting for the money to pay for it lol
I sold my Projector when i moved and bought a Samsung 75" I sit 3 meters from the screen and for me 75" is cinema enough ;) I probably never will go for a PJ again now. Its Great that TCL comes with this large screens at a more affordable prices. I belive it's predesessor 98" screen(C735) are now sold at aprox $4400 witch is a steal for allmost 100" 4k tv :)
Great Review. Size matters but so does $. What distance from the panel was your sweet spot. In a Home Theater Room ie Normal Texas house size with 120 in screens, I think the TCL is better than all projectors in the approx $ range. Yes the 98 panel is a better experience than almost all 120 in projectors.
Not at $8 thousand. I agree that a big TV beats Ultra-short-throw dealies, and I’d be excited to see LG/Samsung/etc enter the 75”+ space more earnestly and drive down costs, but I don’t think it replaces the 120”+ hardcore setups of the world. I doubt the market would ever carve out an affordable space for panels of that size. As you saw firsthand that’s an utterly unwieldy amount of TV to move and deal with, and I’d warrant that 98-100” is probably the maximum reasonable size. If you have the dedicated space, wherewithal, budget, and desire to go bigger you could build a pretty sweet traditional setup for $8 grand.
Having upgraded from a 65 to an 85 last week, I could relate to the comment about adjusting to the size. I went hisense as the overwhelming comment i got for TCL in Australia is that their customer service is lacking. For price comparison the c735 is available for $5995 AUD currently (approx $4100 USD).
I’d go with this before UST, but still not ditching my projector. I have a scope screen with motorized masking and speakers behind it, and we love it. But we also love our 65” QLED in the living room. I could see replacing that with something like this, and I could see it stealing some time away from the projector, but still not replacing it.
As someone who sell home theater tech, Your room will always determine what type of tv, short throw, and over head projector will work best in your space. I would like to see if Andrew would review an LG ultra short throw projector with a black ambient light rejection screen that's 120 in, and see if his opinion changes.
Answer to your QotD: I've been watching TV and movies almost every night on my 127" projector screen for almost 20 years. I just upgraded to an Epson LS12000 and couldn't be happier. However, once I can buy a flat panel that's at least 120" in size for less than $15,000, I would absolutely switch. But until flat panels are at least 120", I'm just not interested. Even 98" is too much of a downgrade in size for me. Just my $0.02 :)
I am considering upgrading my drop down screen (95") in front of my TV (50"). I will buy a TV this year and I´ll wait 1 or 2 years for the next Epson laser projector. However then I´m going scope so comparing PJ scope inches to TV scope inches is important. I should be able to go at last 135 scope inches or at the maximum 150! I hope it will be bright enough and have 3D and VRR (which LS12000 does not have) 🙂
@@Jojken Luckily I stopped gaming a few years back (just got bored with games). So not having VRR on the Epson doesn't affect me. And I was never into 3D either. But I'm very happy with the Epson -- it's a big improvement over my 10-year-old Sony projector. The colors on the Epson really "pop". Best of luck to you on upgrading your system!
@@philbert9117 Thanks! To be honest, I may have gotten bored of gaming too. I just don´t want it to be true. I have the Epson TW2000 from 2008 so maybe I should skip the TV upgrade and go straight for the laser. The "wall" I am using is four windows covering the whole short side of my living room as I refuse the 90 degree option having the sofa to the wall once again. No, this time I will go from 5.1 to 7.2.4 using probably a floor-up electric AT screen... well, that is my aim at least 🙂
You can also improve the signal by cleaning up the power supply . I did and it makes a difference. You don't need to spend a lot of money either. 125.00 for two Monster power strips.
In my case of having a dedicated home theater, TVs are not quite there yet. Screen size for the money is my number one reason, also being able to have speakers behind an AT screen at ear level makes it even more immersive. I know it's only a matter of time but for now I'll stick with the PJs.
I think this my first time leaving a comment on one of your vids, long time fan of you guys tho definitely! I really miss the $5 find vids, that’s where I got started with you, you went to “audio heaven”, a pawn shop in a strip mall that was full of awesome vintage gear and vinyl, good stuff. Anyways, I want one of these ridiculously huge tvs one day, thanks for doing what you do and keep up the great work!!!
I've been using a projector for a bit over two years now. It's 103 inch. I use it daily as a TV but I just bot a 85 inch samsung. The biggest advantage of projector is diminishing quickly relatively to its tv competition. Also, someone has to fix why we cannot use the UST projector soley for a center speaker pairing with home theater. It's totally doable and for people who want a UST at that size? You should bet a lot of those people would have a sound system. My tv is coming in a few days and I can't wait!
I am facing the decision between a UST or something like this for a media room at about a 9-10ft distance. I tried the sizes in a store and felt 100 inches was good, 110 really nice, and 120 nice, but a tad large for TV shows. Pros for TV are: Easy setup (with stone walls) since prep work is already in the wall Image quality Usable during the day Gaming/HFR No risk of bumping it HDR Blacks Dolby Vision Somewhere to put a center channel No noise Ability to put anywhere on the wall No issues with white walls/ceiling Ambilight behind the screen is possible Lower cost than UST + screen (4000€ on sale versus about 7 grand for a good UST plus CLR at 120 inches) Pros for the projector are: Size (110 or 120) Easier RMA/selling for upgrades More eye-friendly image The list of arguments is really favouring the TV here to be honest.
Off topic. Would you be able to do a video on your in ceiling experience and maybe compare it to a height channel set up? In ceiling vs height for dolby atmos. Or, just a review on your in ceiling setup experience, how you're liking it, etc...
I wonder when (if ever) TVs will come as basic panels again...no internet smart TV. Would be great if manufacturers offered a "dumb" line of their products. Probably be cheaper (no license fee) and can pass that on to consumers who want that and see a boost in sales. I would take one in a heartbeat.
What’s funny is I got a tcl tv years ago and it blew away my Sony for less money. So every time anyone I knew was looking for a new TV I always tell them check out the tcl models. But no one listens to me and always go with a Sony, samsung or lg and the cheaper model just because of the names and are always unhappy within a year or so when they could have got a top of the line tcl TV that would have lasted longer with way better and future proof features.
TCL will be releasing the replacement for this XL 98" in a couple of months with the new Q series with mini led back light. Of course priced higher than the XL outgoing model. Hey, by 2025 we might get a Samsung or Sony 98" mini led for $5k. Don't anyone hold your breath for an 100" Oled at $5k.
I love this TV and plan to buy for my living room for youtube, news, sports and PS5/Xbox. I still prefer my JVC projector and 2.4:1 acoustically transparent “CinemaScope” screen in the theater room for watching movies and Netflix, HBO Max, premium shows. When watching wide aspect movies I have no black bars and my speakers are behind the screen for ultra immersion and no reflections off of freestanding speakers. Love your reviews! I am a subscriber.
As always, Thank you for the review and all that you and Kristi do.By the way, I caught a few of the $5 records days and those videos where a blast. You and Kristi went around to all those cool shows and grabbed some good music. On a side not, Kristi should not be camera shy, she is witty funny , quirky and I think she would make a excellent addition to the channel, not just as a voice but as a visual person as listening to her talk about her opinion on the reviews is great but I think we are all missing her facial expressions that also tell a story. She might not want to be in front of the camera but I enjoyed her addition to the channel when she was.You guys have a good dynamic. Nice work the both of you on this channel.
I have been waiting for an extra large tv, I had 100 inch projector, I dropped down to a 77" LG OLED but I can't wait for the day I get back to 100" screen size. The OLED blows the projector away (Epson UB5030). This review is exciting.
I’m not necessarily a die-hard projector guy, I would use a large screen tv for home theater purposes. In fact, until recently I was using a 75-inch TCL in my theater. Now, I’m using a projector. I like the bigger size. It has that cinema feel. I wouldn’t mind having a 97 tv in my theater, outside of mounting, it’s a lot easier to set up than a projector. However, my house is old and I don’t even know how they got a refrigerator through those doors. I won’t be able to get that 97incher down the stairs into the basement where my theater sits. I will say though, if I could build my ideal home theater, I’d go with a front projector. That’s because my ideal screen would be a 150-inch scope screen and you can’t get that with TVs yet. Plus, I’ve been chasing that movie-like experience since I was 6 years old. Projectors give me that feeling. My theater is only used for watching movies (and music listening), no tv watching, and no video games, so I can live with a projector’s limitations. That’s not to say if TV manufacturers created a 150-inch scope tv I wouldn’t consider it, hell yeah I would, especially if it’s simpler and more cost-effective. I’d probably put up a fake projector though for looks. let’s face it, projectors are synonymous with theater. If we are talking living room, family room, or game room I’m going TVs all the way. If they improve the setup with a certain amount of adjustability with zoom and lens shift I’d consider an ultra-short projector for a living/family room, but 95 percent of the time, TVs are the choice. I think TVs will always dominate, but I don’t think USTs will go away. They will get better and likely easier to set up giving people options.
Do you think we are about to see 120" screens soon? I am looking to move away from my 120" projector I have had for 10 years but thinking 98" might be just a bit to small for a theater. Thanks !
As soon as individual panel based displays a la Samsung's The Wall come down in price, there will be no limit on how big a TV will be able to get in the home.
I'm quite impressed with this TV, especially on the price to size ratio. What I would love to see from the likes of TCL, being a panel maker, is to bring out a similar screen, height wise, but one that is in a 235.1 ratio. I think that even on a 75 or 85 inch screen, this would be a market disruptor that would catch a few manufactures off guard and bring something unique to the consumer masses that truely screams home cinema.
Okayyyyy...questions. Most fun?! Is that due to size, image quality or both? Does the TCL exhibit issues maybe not seen with front projection like blooming? At 98/96" do you think size and PQ win out over a 100" projected screen? Not sure if this is a total game changer but the goal post have definitely been moved closer. I see no current project compelling enough for me to move away from my Epson 5050UB and I do know there are better projectors. Unless a screen size over 100" current projectors are a stopgap until OLED or MiniLED prices for those larger TV's come down a bit. Bottom line, I pull the trigger on a 96" OLED at 10K and ditch front projection.
Thanks for the review, though I wish you went a bit more in depth into gaming. In a completely dark environment, would you go for this or LG C2 83? (gaming 80%, tv 20%). I've been so burned with issues with samsung's led tvs local dimming that I'm very worried to buy anything not oled, but 98" at an affordable price is very tempting
I wonder if the size is worth the quality trade-off. From the measurements this tv. Doesn't really come anywhere close to the s95b I have, with over a 1000 nits peak brightness perfect contrast and viewing angles and class leading color gamut and volume. But it is a lot larger.
As a die hard projector fan I think someone’s going to make a chart. Being like, front or ust? What Size screen? How much are you willing to spend? And by those two questions you will have your answer. Because if you have 90-110 screen then buy the tcl if you have the budget. Personally I can’t switch back because I have a 135 inch screen and I’m hooked.
How does it do with black frame insertion? Does it have it, is it any good? I'm afraid I won't be able to fit something like this, but it's still interesting. Was aiming for the S90C though... or perhaps the S95B, because it has gotten really cheap. Even if it means a lot of work to get it looking good. As for the processing... how about using a NVIDIA Shield or Apple TV 4K to do the processing?
Ive been using viewsonic px700hd with str 1080 originally now running on str an1000 (1080 died after my wife plugged it into 220v socket) since last 6 yrs now, i chose size over quality, also quality was much expensive back then, already changed the lamp once and they are kinda expensive too, looking forward to get one of the tcl soon 🙌🏼
There are a couple of retailers selling these at £3500 in the UK currently. Now I could just about fit one on my wall, putting the height speakers above, but this would mean lowering my centre, and my towers would be in the way at the sides. So im looking at the TCL 85 inch model, has 144hz refresh, Dolby Vision etc and is selling for £1600 in the UK. As I only sit about 8 feet from the screen that should be fine. My current 75 inch LG will go to the wifes rig, and I get a bigger screen with 144hz, I can plug my very powerful 24 Core PC into for 4K GAMING. as well and movie fun. Current AV set up is Denon 6700H 3 Klipsch speakers for front, powered by a Emotiva Basx A3, 4 Monitor Audio Bronze 100's for side and rear surrounds, powered by an Emotiva BasX A4. 6 Bowers and Wilkins M-1's as heights powered by the Denon, plus 2 SVS PB1000's subs. I live in a ground floor flat so that's more than enough for me, and my neighbours. PS the Mrs is sulking as she want's to buy it now, and I told her we got to wait a few weeks, until I save up a little more. lol
My theater is limited to 85" max due to wall size and distance from the screen so no projector. It hurts to see this one and know it is all that and a box of chocolates but for me.... lol Thanks for a great review.
The price would have to be cut by more than 50 percent before I would start to consider it. I currently run with a epson ls 500 and 100 inch alr screen. Total cost was 2800 before tax. Ive never found black levels important to my viewing (and the epsons arent bad for a projector) and the epson can pump 4k ansi lumens so ambient light has never really been an issue. The biggest thing keeping me in the projector life though is 3d tech. I just love the stuff
Andrew is it safe to say that you and Kristi, will keep this TV on the wall now? Great review by both of you thanks. Also you helped me decide what TV to get because I want to replace my Sony A9G 65” for a 77” TV because I’m about 14ft from the set but if on the wall it would be 17ft. I was told the LG G2, would be the way to go and you confirmed it. So, what do you two think 77” LG, over Sony X95K??
We haven't tested the G2 but the other comparisons are made in the review. Not taking it down any time soon considering how much it took to get on the wall!
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Ok. Tried link again and it says: currently not available - BUT I am in Canada and TCL doesn’t sell/ship to Canada? Maybe that is why?
If I had your wall, folks, I would be greedy and have both!
Stick with the 85 for most things, like TV, streaming, news, gaming, and most sports. Whilst also keeping reference quality colour and motion.
Then have a drop down projector screen for film night (not even all films, perhaps) at a MUUUUUCH larger size. Using tone-mapping to solve the lack of Dolby Vision on projectors that are within the reach of us mere mortals. 😏 (none of this ust projector stuff for me, though)
Finally! An actual review of the TCL XL. I can't believe that other major TV reviewers haven't done reviews. Andrew, mentioned how much you enjoyed gaming on the TCL, but I think that could have warranted it's own section in the video. Thanks!
Appreciate you noticing that this is an "actual", real world review of this product. Thanks for watching!
Andrew repeatedly dying and chucking his controller against the pillow like a 10 year old.
This tv is $9,999 at Best Buy in Canada plus 12% sales tax which equals $7,375 USD +
I sure do want it.
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"B The Installer" channel on RUclips reviews big TVs too
like 97 inch Oled TV
@@Music.Movies.67 $30k television set. Ill wait for the 75" OLEDs to drop in price
Reliability is always my concerns with brands like this. I work at Best Buy, and this year we have had 4/6 of our TCL TVs die for one reason or another. Yes their on all the time, but so is Sony and Samsungs. Idk just my opinion! Great review!
Unfortunately, extended warrantees are probably a good consideration for these massive, large, and hot running TVs
Thank you for mentioning it. I wouldn't want to pay thousands only for it to break. Although I'd be opening it up and trying to fix it. Even if you don't know what you're doing you're far more likely to fix it if you open it up
Samsung's seem to last just past the warranty period which is arguably worse. If you want a long lasting TV buy a Panasonic.
My first Samsung broke after 1.5 year under warranty. They changed the whole screen and told me, it would have cost around 1000 Euros without warranty. After the repair, the TV lasted for 10 more years.
which models though? because TCL clearly has more budget tiers than other brands. If you compared the price to reliability, does it stack up?
I haven’t heard any reviewers address it
Great review. I've had about 15 front projectors over the last 30+ years. My current front projection setup is about $3300 with my 106" screen but can do about a 125" from the spot it is mounted. It's in my living room and I do have a few blackout curtains, but light does come from other rooms. The picture still amazes me. We rarely encounter too much light that would bleed the colors, but it does happen occasionally. The thing I love about a projector is the extremely wide viewing angle, and the zero-glare image. I need to have a 98" tv at the $4-$5k range to make me want to switch, and even at that, it's a compromise on size. Just like 98" seems that much bigger than an 85", a 106 or 110" is that much bigger than a 98". At the sale price of $5k or less, I'm probably a buyer. If it hits less than $4k, I am a buyer.
It was on sale for $4000 last week
@@JoshuaKnab $4,000 it’s a go for me hopefully goes back on sale eventually.
@hhinojosareef1 As of August 26th it's on Amazon for $4000
It's on sale in my country for $2k atm
It's on sale now for 2400.00
Absolutely a convert! Already pulled the 120 projection screen down rearranged the seating and installed the Sony 86 but as soon as I heard about the TCL, I knew I had to have it and you guys just confirmed it 🙌
Who would you rate watching this T.V. in daylight vs watching the game on the 120 Projector in the same daylight Joel? I love the 120 at night .. . . just curious
@@serendipityguy I have been in the projector game for a long time and I have to say to be able to get this size display, no calibration required, plug it in and enjoy... its game over. Just adjust your viewing distance for the level of immersion you desire and you are good to go day or night. I do have a 200'' screen in my shop for concert dvds so there's that fun factor that projectors will always hold for me.
Did you end up buying this model TCL? If so, how would you compare it to your projector? Thanks if you have time to reply.
I bought an 85 inch Sammy 2 years ago after contemplating between that and a projector. The only way I'm upgrading my TV in the next 5 years is if these 98inch TVs come way down in price like the 85s did. Bigger is always better imo. Great review guys as always,
True dat! I just finally went to a QLED Sony 85" (Triluminos) once I could get it for $1300. The picture quality is great.
Amazing how being patient benefits one with technology. 85 inch tv for under 7k used to be a dream. In 2016 my first Sammy 4k curved was $2200 now tech got 86" tvs for less than half
This TV is definitely making me question the projector life. Having that size screen being fully accessible at any time of day - as opposed to always waiting for the sun to disappear - is a game changer. Shout out TCL
You get it 😉 A lot of people forget (or don't know) that I come from a projection background. I used projectors in my main living room for years. So I'm not poo-pooing on projectors, it's just that as time and tech have evolved, TVs have gotten bigger and better, that for many, a 98" display is "big enough" to be theatrical --especially in true, mixed lighting situations.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews The only advantage projectors have is the ability to place speakers behind the screen .Lol
@@s.k634 and that you can still go much much bigger. I have a 135 inch screen. In the future I want to go even bigger. Imagine trying to have say 12-15 family members and friends over. Even a 98” won’t be big enough for a true cinematic experience. Plus I don’t like the way TVs look for movies, I prefer projector. Yes TVs are sharper and look better (though the Epson LS12000 is a beast and so are JVCs and they aren’t that far off quality wise) but for me there is magic when watching a movie on a projector vs a tv
They released a 98" model but only in China and outside only having 52 backlit zones it seems almost identical to this one. Dolby Vision, HDR, 1600 nits per TCL, for 21,999 yuan. You know what that converts to in US dollars?
3012 dollars US. I would take the less zones for that price but obviously it isn't being released in the US but I'm expecting something similar by TCL for that price in the US next year. Obviously that's a guess but still, 3K for a 98" TV and yes, it has VRR, 2.1 and all the gaming features this model has. The TCL Q10G is a Mini LED TV with 672 partitions. I haven't looked at mini LEDs recently but that's a copy and paste from an article so I'm not even sure what partitions are but it's in the article I read so just passing the information along. Just search for the model number to see for yourself, well, see the article/articles anyways. No idea why it's only being released in China.
@@PerfectorZY Well for 5.9 million you can get Sony's 780" 16K modular LED TV. Obviously that's expensive but 780" and 16K which at that size it would actually need to be because of size as 4K would not look good on something that size .
It seems like they are mostly being used to replace green screens right now as Disney uses them for all their shows now instead of green screens so the actors can see what's going on around them. Apparently it's been making some actors sick it's so realistic according to what some actors have said. Oh, rich people, they have them also.
I need a house that even comes close to having that size of a wall first.
Excellent video! I love both of your comments and perspectives. I'm retiring soon so I'm collecting all of my toys now but always aware that the "next big thing" is always just around the corner. Keep up the good work!!
I bought the original 65 825 mini led set and the color balance and flesh tones was right on the money, plus the black levels and lack of blooming was excellent. If this set can come close to that at this size they have a winner.
I upgraded to a Sony 75 Z9K and I get what you say about the picture processing and dimensionality of the picture is just on another level. It should be for the money they charge but it blows away my TCL when watching any high bitrate 4khdr or 1080p content and the colors out of the box sre perfect, then you have so many adjustments to make it look even better.
I paid 1400 for the TCL and I still love watching it in my bedroom, if I hadn't come into enough money to afford my 8k mini led beast I'd still be happy with the TCL in my living room. If you want really big and don't have Sony money my bet is you'll love the XL TCL.
I picked one of these up last year while it was on sale to replace a 120" projector screen (biggest I can go in my space). The step down in size was noticeable at first but like you said, you get used to size changes relatively quickly.
I have a multi-purpose space and the ability to have lights on and still get a good image is well worth the trade-off in my eyes. My biggest concern was viewing angles, but I watch from all over the place and I don't think the image quality diminishes enough to be an issue.
TCL just announced a Mini-LED version of this TV and I'm very interested to see what people think about it as it rolls out.
Agree with you about the viewing angle. It's not a big deal to me but Andrew had to mention it. Hopefully we'll be able to review the Mini LED version. I think they make great TVs!
With a set this big .. what viewing angles?
Were you disappointed moving from the 120" screen, also thinking a out making the switch to something like this and replace the projector
Great video!! I’ve been looking towards UST as a possible solution since I have a family room 7.2.4 setup with a 75” LG led tv now. Many like me have certain limitations like room brightness and functional usability. I’d have to spend another $3k just to rework my electronics cabinet with a Salamander or BDI, so I’m always conscious of that additional cost factor. Now that very large screens are becoming cost effective, I think it’s just a matter of time that this will ultimately be our best solution. Thanks again for your work on this one. If you keep it, we’d love to have a video describing how you’ve discovered pros & cons over time.
That is crazy size. When I had a projector years ago I used a 95" motorized screen. And this TV is even BIGGER.
Another excellent review Andrew and Kristi! Thank you! I was able to get one for $4k and just got it yesterday. Although the 2023 is about to come out, I couldn’t pass up that price!
Although I know they are all “personal preference”, but I’d love to know what picture settings you adjusted beyond just switching to “movie profile” if any.
Anyone else getting this TV and isn’t going to mount it, Ashley furniture has a great 92” console/stand for $800. Thanks again!
Great review. I’ll still stay with my 110” front projection for now, until it’s time to upgrade this throws in a very good alternative. Btw, when is the anthem review coming? Or have I missed or already, but I don’t find it. Thank you. Great channel.
Loved the video. Appreciate the fact that you gave your non-technical reaction to just the sheer size of it, as well breaking down the numbers. Wish I was in the position to get this, but I'm guessing once I am this size will be the new 75 inch lol.
It is also worth noting that you cannot have true HDR with front projection since there is no way to do local dimming with reflected light, just an HDR tone-mapped image, and I just don't count that as true HDR, though I have seen some QLEDs do a good job with dual color backlit LEDs without local dimming. Still though, a projector cannot make that kind of contrast, even a really good sony or JVC.
That said, I made my theater with a false wall, three identical tower speakers, and a 128" acoustically transparent screen, making a cinema-like soundstage that is hard to make with a TV with speakers around it set up. All tradeoffs.
in a decade or so, i think you could definitely replace without a significant surcharge
Nice!! Yeah im so done w front projection. The amount you have to spend to get a good projector…a large flatscreen is just so much more practical. Cheers.
As always, I thank you and Kristi for your point counter point reviews. Great Job!
Our pleasure!
If you're comparing in the neighborhood of 120" or less with a projector, I will buy that this is competition. However, there are many that have very large projection screens. Mine has 3 times the surface area of a 98" tv.
Seeing your enthusiasm for sheer size, and I will agree, size is king with a movie experience, you can NOT compare this tv to the awe factor of a projection screen.
Will I ever be tempted by a television? Could be, but not until they are 3 times this size, and that won't happen.
It is exciting to see that you guys are enjoying it! I'm sure you will! -Tony
My friends just got an 86" LG... and I thought that was big. 🤩 Great review as always! I love your channel!
I changed my short throw to this 98 inch tcl tv about 6months ago. It was very good decision ;)
No doubt!!
I have the 85" TCL and honestly the game has been changed. It's the best invesment I've ever made as a cinephile. Calibrated SDR with Calman and will be doing the same with HDR, Dolby Vision isn't super calibrat(able?)...but still, the entire package is an incredibly immersive experience. Enjoy it thoroughly and I too was looking to go down the road of the UST projectors to try and recreate the experience of a cinema but the flexibility and reality of home viewing and flexible light viewing. It's the best thing I ever did personally, absolutely love it as a newbie to the HT experience!
Made the jump from a 42 inch 1080p LCD panasonic tv to the 77 inch 4K LG c2 around Christmas. Night and day difference. I have a projector as well (Panasonic Ae4000), that I ran at 130inches screensize, but required significant light control in the room to be viewable. Now the projector sits on a shelf, and we LOVE the LG C2 using it nightly. Do you find physical Media vs Streaming is better? If media is better, what hardware do you suggest to pair with the TV?
I'm downsizing to a smaller home and this will be perfect in my new house, I love my 120"/projector setup but in a smaller room I'm sure I won't notice the smaller TV screen too much. Great review, I hope it goes on sale before I move in 🤞
We just got a new tv after 10 years …
We now have the Sony Bravia A80k XR OLED in 55” ..and omg 😱 this thing is phenomenal…I’m sure that bigger is better BUT quality is still king.
Great video as always 😋
Thanks for the great review guys! Please consider a review of the 98" QM8. I'm very curious to hear your opinions.
I really thought 85 inches was amazingly large and the prices (at that size) have come down quickly. I can see manufacturers start competing on an even larger size like this one. Inflation really hasn’t hit the TV market. Instead, super bowl sale prices were lower this year for better TVs than what they sold the year before. It so cool!
If my projection screen was around 100", I would definitely be considering one of these TVs. But at 135", no I am not considering it at all. And in a dedicated treated room with a JVC, I am not missing out anything in picture quality either. It will probably be many more years before micro LED becomes an affordable and practical alternative for folks like me.
im with you. unfotunatly my flatt only fits 98inch so im a year or 5 away from replaceing it with a big tv. im exited.
I initially skipped watching this video as I assumed a 98" TV wouldn't be in my budget but I'm glad I watched it. I was budgeting $4-5k for a screen so once I'm ready to buy it'll be a matter of finding it on sale.
21:00 I love my 120 inch projection screen and Canon projector (not even a 1080p or 4K projector, but it's a lot of fun and the screen and projector setup only cost me about $300 since the projector had been slightly used), but this 98 inch TCL 4K TV does change everything, so once it becomes more affordable, it should easily tempt a lot of home theatre enthusiasts like me to consider this as a much more versatile option.
At that price point and that size, it is hard to justify a projector in all honesty. What a magnificent device it is and a great review as usual from Andrew & Kristi you guys 100% sold me lol.
I like that you had to use qualifiers "at that size" lol 98 inches is tiny.
@@TheMeefive its really not, you don’t need to sit close to have 98” fill your field of vision. in the average living room thats like sitting in the middle row of the theatre.
you can always go bigger and naturally as humans we will always want bigger, but there is a point where you’re watching a movie and forget that the screen exists, and that is the primary goal, not sheer size.
even IMAX understands this, thats why they concentrate just as much on immersive aspect ratio and image quality, not just size.
of course if you’re building an entire home theatre with more than a single row of seats, its not gonna be ideal. but 98” is pretty damn close and is usually the starting place for projector screen size. and you’re certainly spending a minimum of 50 grand.
projectors have become more affordable but they’ve hit a ceiling, by far the bigger cost is building the theatre. I love my projector but its just no longer practical, meanwhile you can put an OLED display anywhere it will fit and it will be perfect no matter what. Size is no longer a factor in these decisions.
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@@Haldered I have a 150 inch screen in my bedroom. (14x15) I watch from 10 ft away. It's glorious.
Great review, I'm considering purchasing this tv to replace my optoma p2 ust projector. What reciever connections did you use? I connect everything to my receiver, then hdmi out to display. Did you use erc or hdmi 2.1?
I've been waiting for "affordable" large format screens to finally rid my media room of the projector. Still gonna wait for as long as the light bulb holds out before actually making a purchasing decision. The day will eventually come when I down size (120") but I want to see more options before being an "early" adopter.
Great review! Any news on when the TCL QM8 98" will be available? Reluctant to buy the 'old' version just before the new one hits the market.
I am so over projection. Positioning for long throw, short, it gets to be a pain I don't want to deal with. This TV will be great till the 97" Oled comes down in price. Thanks for the review guys.
Now you need to review the 98QM850G. 98 mini led seems amazing
Thanks for this TCL review Exciting! Cant wait for your Anthem review ;-)
Excellent video!! Do all movies or content have the large horizontal black bars on movies or live sports or is it full screen?
I’ve considered this television, but it’s just hard for me to move away from OLED to this. The size definitely just captures you with its cinematic experience. But OLED just delivers gorgeous colors and contrast. I’m torn between this and an 83 inch OLED.
Absolutely. And there is no right answer there. Both have trade-offs.
16 inch is a huge difference. I would go for the non oled big one
have had projector since 2008. hd ready. full hd. 3d and 4k and now short throw 4k... i just ordered this tv.... looking forward to getting it.
At 98" this is where 8k would have been perfect. An 8k 98" panel has the same (bit higher) pixel density as a 50" 4k panel. At the original $8500 it should be 8k. I think the discounted prices on this TV at $5000 is a lot more appealing for the 4k model.
Haha, great question, guys!
Yes, I am a major fan of my projection theater... BUT now we're building our retirement home.
BLUF: YES
So we still want a gr8 theater experience, but in a smaller home and lower budget. And frankly, and this is key, one we can enjoy more often/easily. While this cost about the same as a decent project ($4k)... for the cost of the sq-ft home size increase, plus 155" screen, etc. I can buy a whole bunch of powered shades and lighting controls to use this TCL in a Gr8/Living Room.
So, YES, this will work for me too!
Cheers, Eric
Great review , I am actually debating between PJ and tv for my next media/office room.
I currently have a benqw2700 with 86" screen.
I could go 83 OLED, 85 LCD or front PJ .the choice is hard
Thats the video I was waiting for. I've been rocking a Vava 4k UST + Vividstorm 120" ALR screen for the past two years - the cinema immersion can't be beat (incl. the wife being just in love with it) and its really difficult to go to anything thats smaller - BUT - Everything you said rings true!
Getting the UST setup just right, paranoia once you figured it out that somebody bumps into it and washed out picture during the day, etc. The center speaker issue I fixed good enough for me a a good while ago with 2x 1st gen Homepods as my main audio setup through Apple TV (+Arc functionality for the PS5) ;). Honestly though - TCL 2nd gen with 98" at under 5k and I'd switch in a heartbeat!
I installed commercial TV's and AV systems for 8 years. When I started, an 80" was the largest I put in, most recently, these 98s were routinely sold. When the size first came out, they were SO heavy, took at least 3 guys to hang, or 4 like me! We ONLY used Chief brand mounts, I consider them the best for hanging displays that size. Transporting these huge displays required use of a trailer, they didn't have a box truck, and we routinely received damaged displays from shipping. Personally, I like my projector for movies, but only because it was free!
Love the TV. It seems like an awesome product. If I had a dedicated space for my tv, then I’d definetly consider a big tv like this one.
I’ve said it before in this channel but Im commenting for new viewers. The reason Im using a projector (and will continue to do so) is for space considerations. My wife did not want a huge black square in the middle of the livingroom (the tv when in off state) and she also wanted a bookshelf (a big one). So the only way we could have a huge screen, lots of books and not having the visual impact of a huge tv-monitor was to go for projection with a ceiling mounted electric screen that drops down in front of the bookshelf when in use, and gets out of the way when not in use. We’ve never regretted that decision. Of course, the black levels is not OLED. But it’s still very impressive and cinematic while taking very little space.
This could be a tip for anyone having the same discussions at home 😊
TCL has really taken over as the king of value TV's. They are putting out a really quality product with great picture in the last couple of years. In terms of "larger always being better" I have to disagree though - this is 100% dependent on your space and your viewing distance. You got a big room that you've designed for a huge screen which is perfect. For me, having a giant screen when you're sitting only 5-6 ft away is an eye killer though. I tried a 65 inch at 5ft and had a very hard time with part of the screen being in my peripheral vision, had to swap back to 55 inch.
Curious if you've guys have had a chance to view or review any of Sony's OLEDs. I have an A80J and I absolutely love it...the A95K is mind blowing, and I believe Sony is close to announcing their new lineup in the next couple of months. Sony is the king of picture quality right now, in my opinion at least 🙃
You should review the black levels of a UHD disk vs. stream. I have never seen a stream with great black levels. That seems to be where the compression sets in. (Unless you have a Kaliascape)
I know you hate physical media, but it really is still at the top tier
I just bought an 85 inch Samsung for $2,500 about 6 months ago and now that tv is down to $1,800 so prices are coming down fast so when it hits $3,500 I'm all in and the 85 inch goes up in the bedroom.
Excellent review!!! I'm still a projector guy...even though I agree with you and Kristi on many points. Maybe in a couple of years after I retire...who knows! I've also used TCL's and they tend to last about 6-7 years before the board gives out (I opened mine up and was shocked to see that it was basically a computer...repaired it myself and got 2 more years out of mine...it was a bedroom tv). This would be too big to repair.
This TCL 98 inch TV is currently $10,000 at Canada's BestBuy (higher than the U.S. dollar to Canadian dollar exchange rate), but there are 85 inch TV's that are $2,500 to $3,000, so just as those larger TV's are becoming more affordable and attainable, so will this TCL model or future models. We do indeed live in exciting times. :)
this tv was available for $5000 USD on black Friday.. Paying anything more than $7000 CDN is overpaying
Loved this review. This TVS on my shopping list once the renovations are done.
Is there a video or any info on the cabinet you are using?
In a living room I 100% agree tv all day. In dedicated theater. I will still take a projector. Reason 1 is a even larger picture. Reason 2 acoustically transparent screen and matching LCR. Reason 3 is 2.39:1 screen. No black bars.
Great review!,how tall should a tv stand be for optimal viewing for this television set, 8 feet ceiling . Thanks
Appreciate this review. Excited about the bang for the buck for this TV. Waiting to see the picture and price for tcl new q series 98" tv that is supposed to come out this year. Also waiting for the money to pay for it lol
I sold my Projector when i moved and bought a Samsung 75" I sit 3 meters from the screen and for me 75" is cinema enough ;) I probably never will go for a PJ again now. Its Great that TCL comes with this large screens at a more affordable prices. I belive it's predesessor 98" screen(C735) are now sold at aprox $4400 witch is a steal for allmost 100" 4k tv :)
The C735 sell for 3900€ over here
What are de differences between the R754?
Great Review. Size matters but so does $. What distance from the panel was your sweet spot. In a Home Theater Room ie Normal Texas house size with 120 in screens, I think the TCL is better than all projectors in the approx $ range. Yes the 98 panel is a better experience than almost all 120 in projectors.
We sit about 10-11 feet from the screen in our room, which is the THX recommended distance for a TV of the TCL's size.
I bought this TV last year in Denmark, it only cost me $3500 including shipping and installation. It's a fantastic TV, I recommend it.
Where did You bought It and was It the R754 or the C735?
@@tombergman4506 c735
Not at $8 thousand. I agree that a big TV beats Ultra-short-throw dealies, and I’d be excited to see LG/Samsung/etc enter the 75”+ space more earnestly and drive down costs, but I don’t think it replaces the 120”+ hardcore setups of the world. I doubt the market would ever carve out an affordable space for panels of that size. As you saw firsthand that’s an utterly unwieldy amount of TV to move and deal with, and I’d warrant that 98-100” is probably the maximum reasonable size. If you have the dedicated space, wherewithal, budget, and desire to go bigger you could build a pretty sweet traditional setup for $8 grand.
Having upgraded from a 65 to an 85 last week, I could relate to the comment about adjusting to the size. I went hisense as the overwhelming comment i got for TCL in Australia is that their customer service is lacking. For price comparison the c735 is available for $5995 AUD currently (approx $4100 USD).
I’d go with this before UST, but still not ditching my projector. I have a scope screen with motorized masking and speakers behind it, and we love it. But we also love our 65” QLED in the living room. I could see replacing that with something like this, and I could see it stealing some time away from the projector, but still not replacing it.
Great review
What are the differences between the TCL 98 R754 and the C735?
As someone who sell home theater tech, Your room will always determine what type of tv, short throw, and over head projector will work best in your space. I would like to see if Andrew would review an LG ultra short throw projector with a black ambient light rejection screen that's 120 in, and see if his opinion changes.
We're reviewed USTs in the past, including one by LG. We're pretty much done with them at this point. Just not worth it.
@@KristiWright Mic drop. Kristi out.
Answer to your QotD: I've been watching TV and movies almost every night on my 127" projector screen for almost 20 years. I just upgraded to an Epson LS12000 and couldn't be happier. However, once I can buy a flat panel that's at least 120" in size for less than $15,000, I would absolutely switch. But until flat panels are at least 120", I'm just not interested. Even 98" is too much of a downgrade in size for me. Just my $0.02 :)
I am considering upgrading my drop down screen (95") in front of my TV (50"). I will buy a TV this year and I´ll wait 1 or 2 years for the next Epson laser projector. However then I´m going scope so comparing PJ scope inches to TV scope inches is important. I should be able to go at last 135 scope inches or at the maximum 150! I hope it will be bright enough and have 3D and VRR (which LS12000 does not have) 🙂
@@Jojken Luckily I stopped gaming a few years back (just got bored with games). So not having VRR on the Epson doesn't affect me. And I was never into 3D either. But I'm very happy with the Epson -- it's a big improvement over my 10-year-old Sony projector. The colors on the Epson really "pop". Best of luck to you on upgrading your system!
@@philbert9117 Thanks! To be honest, I may have gotten bored of gaming too. I just don´t want it to be true. I have the Epson TW2000 from 2008 so maybe I should skip the TV upgrade and go straight for the laser. The "wall" I am using is four windows covering the whole short side of my living room as I refuse the 90 degree option having the sofa to the wall once again. No, this time I will go from 5.1 to 7.2.4 using probably a floor-up electric AT screen... well, that is my aim at least 🙂
Alright mate. Great review. Quick question. Is this tv OK for watching normal HD on.. or do u recommend it for mainly 4k content.
Anything HD (1080p) and up will look great. 720p does look a little softer and less impressive.
@robinsonbrand ah fair play, thanks for the advise. I'm gonna either go with this, or the 85. TCL all the way! Have a good day mate!
You can also improve the signal by cleaning up the power supply . I did and it makes a difference. You don't need to spend a lot of money either. 125.00 for two Monster power strips.
Great information as usual Andrew my wife and I watch your reviews and love them!
Appreciate you watching!
In my case of having a dedicated home theater, TVs are not quite there yet. Screen size for the money is my number one reason, also being able to have speakers behind an AT screen at ear level makes it even more immersive. I know it's only a matter of time but for now I'll stick with the PJs.
I think this my first time leaving a comment on one of your vids, long time fan of you guys tho definitely! I really miss the $5 find vids, that’s where I got started with you, you went to “audio heaven”, a pawn shop in a strip mall that was full of awesome vintage gear and vinyl, good stuff. Anyways, I want one of these ridiculously huge tvs one day, thanks for doing what you do and keep up the great work!!!
Thanks so much Brian, we really appreciate you being with us on this crazy journey!
Big TV all the way! True 4K, and Dolby Vision at that price? No projector can touch it.
!00% correct!
I've been using a projector for a bit over two years now. It's 103 inch. I use it daily as a TV but I just bot a 85 inch samsung. The biggest advantage of projector is diminishing quickly relatively to its tv competition.
Also, someone has to fix why we cannot use the UST projector soley for a center speaker pairing with home theater. It's totally doable and for people who want a UST at that size? You should bet a lot of those people would have a sound system.
My tv is coming in a few days and I can't wait!
I am facing the decision between a UST or something like this for a media room at about a 9-10ft distance. I tried the sizes in a store and felt 100 inches was good, 110 really nice, and 120 nice, but a tad large for TV shows.
Pros for TV are:
Easy setup (with stone walls) since prep work is already in the wall
Image quality
Usable during the day
Gaming/HFR
No risk of bumping it
HDR
Blacks
Dolby Vision
Somewhere to put a center channel
No noise
Ability to put anywhere on the wall
No issues with white walls/ceiling
Ambilight behind the screen is possible
Lower cost than UST + screen (4000€ on sale versus about 7 grand for a good UST plus CLR at 120 inches)
Pros for the projector are:
Size (110 or 120)
Easier RMA/selling for upgrades
More eye-friendly image
The list of arguments is really favouring the TV here to be honest.
Off topic.
Would you be able to do a video on your in ceiling experience and maybe compare it to a height channel set up? In ceiling vs height for dolby atmos. Or, just a review on your in ceiling setup experience, how you're liking it, etc...
I wonder when (if ever) TVs will come as basic panels again...no internet smart TV. Would be great if manufacturers offered a "dumb" line of their products. Probably be cheaper (no license fee) and can pass that on to consumers who want that and see a boost in sales. I would take one in a heartbeat.
LG 97” OLED is my dream, now they need to bring the price lower than $10,000
Hi Andrew
Is the image quality the same as the Samsung 85-inch model 2021
Thank you
What’s funny is I got a tcl tv years ago and it blew away my Sony for less money. So every time anyone I knew was looking for a new TV I always tell them check out the tcl models. But no one listens to me and always go with a Sony, samsung or lg and the cheaper model just because of the names and are always unhappy within a year or so when they could have got a top of the line tcl TV that would have lasted longer with way better and future proof features.
We have an older TCL 6 Series in our bedroom and it still rocks!
TCL will be releasing the replacement for this XL 98" in a couple of months with the new Q series with mini led back light.
Of course priced higher than the XL outgoing model. Hey, by 2025 we might get a Samsung or Sony 98" mini led for $5k. Don't anyone hold your breath for an 100" Oled at $5k.
I love this TV and plan to buy for my living room for youtube, news, sports and PS5/Xbox. I still prefer my JVC projector and 2.4:1 acoustically transparent “CinemaScope” screen in the theater room for watching movies and Netflix, HBO Max, premium shows. When watching wide aspect movies I have no black bars and my speakers are behind the screen for ultra immersion and no reflections off of freestanding speakers.
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As always, Thank you for the review and all that you and Kristi do.By the way, I caught a few of the $5 records days and those videos where a blast. You and Kristi went around to all those cool shows and grabbed some good music. On a side not, Kristi should not be camera shy, she is witty funny , quirky and I think she would make a excellent addition to the channel, not just as a voice but as a visual person as listening to her talk about her opinion on the reviews is great but I think we are all missing her facial expressions that also tell a story. She might not want to be in front of the camera but I enjoyed her addition to the channel when she was.You guys have a good dynamic. Nice work the both of you on this channel.
My body and my wall are ready…but for the new 2023 QM8 model. Mini LED and 2300+ zones. If that one drops below $6k by Black Friday I’m all over it
Nice review! - Do you guys happen to have a podcast channel? Your voices are so soothing and relaxing to listen to!
We don't :( but appreciate you watching!!
Hello, please clarify 0.06 nits is with local dimming or without? Did you measured a native contrast ratio of the panel without dimming?
I have been waiting for an extra large tv, I had 100 inch projector, I dropped down to a 77" LG OLED but I can't wait for the day I get back to 100" screen size. The OLED blows the projector away (Epson UB5030). This review is exciting.
What mount did you guys end up with to get this on the wall? Link? Thanks - Great Review!
It's the Monoprice mount linked in the description but it had to be modified by the installers.
I’m not necessarily a die-hard projector guy, I would use a large screen tv for home theater purposes. In fact, until recently I was using a 75-inch TCL in my theater. Now, I’m using a projector. I like the bigger size. It has that cinema feel.
I wouldn’t mind having a 97 tv in my theater, outside of mounting, it’s a lot easier to set up than a projector. However, my house is old and I don’t even know how they got a refrigerator through those doors. I won’t be able to get that 97incher down the stairs into the basement where my theater sits.
I will say though, if I could build my ideal home theater, I’d go with a front projector. That’s because my ideal screen would be a 150-inch scope screen and you can’t get that with TVs yet. Plus, I’ve been chasing that movie-like experience since I was 6 years old. Projectors give me that feeling. My theater is only used for watching movies (and music listening), no tv watching, and no video games, so I can live with a projector’s limitations. That’s not to say if TV manufacturers created a 150-inch scope tv I wouldn’t consider it, hell yeah I would, especially if it’s simpler and more cost-effective. I’d probably put up a fake projector though for looks. let’s face it, projectors are synonymous with theater.
If we are talking living room, family room, or game room I’m going TVs all the way. If they improve the setup with a certain amount of adjustability with zoom and lens shift I’d consider an ultra-short projector for a living/family room, but 95 percent of the time, TVs are the choice.
I think TVs will always dominate, but I don’t think USTs will go away. They will get better and likely easier to set up giving people options.
Do you think we are about to see 120" screens soon? I am looking to move away from my 120" projector I have had for 10 years but thinking 98" might be just a bit to small for a theater. Thanks !
As soon as individual panel based displays a la Samsung's The Wall come down in price, there will be no limit on how big a TV will be able to get in the home.
Great review... Could you please share link to buy that white sound system by the TV.
Thanks
bit.ly/3xgyXql FYI - this info (& more) is found in the description.
I'm quite impressed with this TV, especially on the price to size ratio. What I would love to see from the likes of TCL, being a panel maker, is to bring out a similar screen, height wise, but one that is in a 235.1 ratio. I think that even on a 75 or 85 inch screen, this would be a market disruptor that would catch a few manufactures off guard and bring something unique to the consumer masses that truely screams home cinema.
Okayyyyy...questions. Most fun?! Is that due to size, image quality or both? Does the TCL exhibit issues maybe not seen with front projection like blooming? At 98/96" do you think size and PQ win out over a 100" projected screen? Not sure if this is a total game changer but the goal post have definitely been moved closer. I see no current project compelling enough for me to move away from my Epson 5050UB and I do know there are better projectors. Unless a screen size over 100" current projectors are a stopgap until OLED or MiniLED prices for those larger TV's come down a bit. Bottom line, I pull the trigger on a 96" OLED at 10K and ditch front projection.
Thanks for the review, though I wish you went a bit more in depth into gaming. In a completely dark environment, would you go for this or LG C2 83? (gaming 80%, tv 20%). I've been so burned with issues with samsung's led tvs local dimming that I'm very worried to buy anything not oled, but 98" at an affordable price is very tempting
I wonder if the size is worth the quality trade-off. From the measurements this tv. Doesn't really come anywhere close to the s95b I have, with over a 1000 nits peak brightness perfect contrast and viewing angles and class leading color gamut and volume. But it is a lot larger.
Your delivery is so polished that the _review_ sounds more like a commercial.
I appreciate you noting the time and effort that goes into our videos. But unlike other channels, we do not do paid or manufacturer sponsored reviews.
As a die hard projector fan I think someone’s going to make a chart. Being like, front or ust? What Size screen? How much are you willing to spend? And by those two questions you will have your answer. Because if you have 90-110 screen then buy the tcl if you have the budget. Personally I can’t switch back because I have a 135 inch screen and I’m hooked.
How does it do with black frame insertion? Does it have it, is it any good? I'm afraid I won't be able to fit something like this, but it's still interesting. Was aiming for the S90C though... or perhaps the S95B, because it has gotten really cheap. Even if it means a lot of work to get it looking good.
As for the processing... how about using a NVIDIA Shield or Apple TV 4K to do the processing?
Ive been using viewsonic px700hd with str 1080 originally now running on str an1000 (1080 died after my wife plugged it into 220v socket) since last 6 yrs now, i chose size over quality, also quality was much expensive back then, already changed the lamp once and they are kinda expensive too, looking forward to get one of the tcl soon 🙌🏼
There are a couple of retailers selling these at £3500 in the UK currently. Now I could just about fit one on my wall, putting the height speakers above, but this would mean lowering my centre, and my towers would be in the way at the sides. So im looking at the TCL 85 inch model, has 144hz refresh, Dolby Vision etc and is selling for £1600 in the UK. As I only sit about 8 feet from the screen that should be fine. My current 75 inch LG will go to the wifes rig, and I get a bigger screen with 144hz, I can plug my very powerful 24 Core PC into for 4K GAMING. as well and movie fun. Current AV set up is Denon 6700H 3 Klipsch speakers for front, powered by a Emotiva Basx A3, 4 Monitor Audio Bronze 100's for side and rear surrounds, powered by an Emotiva BasX A4. 6 Bowers and Wilkins M-1's as heights powered by the Denon, plus 2 SVS PB1000's subs. I live in a ground floor flat so that's more than enough for me, and my neighbours. PS the Mrs is sulking as she want's to buy it now, and I told her we got to wait a few weeks, until I save up a little more. lol
My theater is limited to 85" max due to wall size and distance from the screen so no projector. It hurts to see this one and know it is all that and a box of chocolates but for me.... lol Thanks for a great review.
The price would have to be cut by more than 50 percent before I would start to consider it. I currently run with a epson ls 500 and 100 inch alr screen. Total cost was 2800 before tax. Ive never found black levels important to my viewing (and the epsons arent bad for a projector) and the epson can pump 4k ansi lumens so ambient light has never really been an issue. The biggest thing keeping me in the projector life though is 3d tech. I just love the stuff
Andrew is it safe to say that you and Kristi, will keep this TV on the wall now? Great review by both of you thanks. Also you helped me decide what TV to get because I want to replace my Sony A9G 65” for a 77” TV because I’m about 14ft from the set but if on the wall it would be 17ft. I was told the LG G2, would be the way to go and you confirmed it. So, what do you two think 77” LG, over Sony X95K??
We haven't tested the G2 but the other comparisons are made in the review. Not taking it down any time soon considering how much it took to get on the wall!