Sony CHANGED This Gwen Scene (in a BAD way)...
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2023
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They cut Gwen's dialogue when she thinks Miles is dead. This robs the scene of its greater meaning for her arc imo.
Twitter thread with all the digital release changes: / 1689421335242416129
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Here's the twitter thread with all the changes: twitter.com/chrisagwrites/status/1689421335242416129
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In my opinion these changes are NOT PERMANENT CUTS, they are instead alternate versions of the movie, if you look it up you'll see that there are other versions that mix version A and B, these changes doesn't seem permanent or with the intention to edit the movie, why would they edit the movie if it was already good? Instead they choose to release different versions of the movie to give the audience confusion with multiversal vibes, it's a multiverse movie, right? (I am VERY WELL AWARE that this movie is way more than just a multiverse movie by the way.) You can consider the canon version as the version A, as if has been confirmed that it is not an edit nor a cut. (Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)
Am I the only one who can only see the first tweet? Do you have to make a Twitter/X/whatever account to see the whole thread, I know Elon has been doing a lot of weird things over there.
@@_kaleido I can only see the first tweet as well. No X account, hopefully the info becomes available somewhere else.
@katleido yeah so musked screwed up the appa few months ago while messing with his Twitter blue nonsense and now if you don't have the app you can't really view anything other than surface tweets.
i definitely agree, i think gwen panicking more shows more deeply the intense bond she has with miles and the immense pain she would feel to lose yet another one of her best friends.
Agreed.
How good that i from another country! We have one version of sound and it's not change in digital ver.
I just noticed it, Both of them were hit by a falling debris which Peter dying. Damn it adds more to the frantic reaction of Gwen realizing that his new bestfriend might've been dead the same thing that happened to Peter
is best the right word?
@@JakeyRavioli If that is the reason for the change then it's a reasonable change but the change just doesn't land well. The silence is jarring, and not in a shocking way, but more of a breaking immersion way. It doesn't fit the character that has been built up.
Yeah. That was gut wrenching in the theater. You know he will survive, but Hailey's incredibly emotive voice work gives that scene REAL punch.
It was never about Miles dying. miles is the main the lead he never going to die. its to show gwen cares about miles a lot
You want to talk about real punch, I thought Miles' head got blown off in the ending there. That shit had me shook
She's really a fuckin' fantastic actor. Super fun and charming in every movie she's in 🤷🏾♂
@@thejadedNot to mention bad as hell
@@catchinsomezzzs Oh. 100% but I really love her personality as well. She gives off "good person" vibes ✌🏿❤
I agree. I'm not sure why it was changed. Gwen sounds frantic in the original version. You can actually feel that she fears the worst has happened to Miles. In this newer version, she sounds more detached.
It wasn’t changed actually. There are different versions of the movie playing in theatres all with slightly different scenes. It’s just this was the version that made it to digital
You can even hear they turn the previous audio down and then remove it, it’s kinda awkward now
@@shepardsp1e842on the contrary that is a genius idea. different people watch different versions of the movie which was an intentional decision.
because....universes in the multiverse have different outcomes or different paths.
it just aligns with the theme of the movie.
@@rohithkumar8708on paper yeah. In practice however it basically creates confusion and changes the art piece to one that won't really be experienced the way it was intended ever again after this there will only be one version and what they included or not in that version will take away from the experience of someone else. Unless they include all the edits in the physical release but i sincerely doubt it.
@@Machowesker17 the fact that no one will ever see the version they saw in theaters again is good because it makes it a unique experience, it doesnt take away from your experience because it means you saw something special that no one else saw, if anything it adds to your experience.
Why did they do that, as you said, gwen panicking shows the connection between her past and the present, her panicking is the essential element to show that she is human, that she cares about people and has feelings
Quite literally to break which was canon. There are 3 versions now
To be fair, there were MULTIPLE versions even in theaters...
@@TheDeathmail i know, i just personally think that the panic fit perfectly with that scene
This is literally the 4th version because the first and second were mixed into the third one
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Gwen panicking was more in character, just shows how much she doesn't want to experience the same thing again
Honestly am I the only one who thinks that this change actually adds to her character? Panicking a lot and actually making it audible is kind of unrealistic. Most panic comes in the form of shock which makes people freeze up and/or be completely silent and inexpressive. Show don’t tell us a big rule in writing and the original version is very much “tell”. That feeling of devastation doesn’t usually result in a big dramatic reaction… for the majority of people their brains automatically stuff those traumatic emotions as far down as possible, which causes an intense feeling of extreme numbness and depression. Her already being exposed to a feeling like that would probably have trained and prepared her brain to stuff down those emotions as a defense mechanism.
@@Foeisudhxj I wouldn't be surprised if some woke wanna be fixer thought we can't have a girl boss be hysterical in trying times and "fixed it" so she's more stoic and put together.
Even if IRL you'd be in shock and silent this is a colorful piece of art meant to move you emotionally, it's not a documentary.
This fixed version just takes away from a female character's development and we have enough ruined female characters to go around these days, list is quite long.
@@HisameArtwork it’s just how the brain works. It just makes her character feel more like it’s actually real and that’s the most important part of a movie. Immersion.
@@HisameArtwork and it literally doesn’t take away from the development. That happened in the middle of the movie, where she hadn’t yet coped with any of her struggles. She was still angry, frustrated, sad, and confused about not only her best friend dying but her dad betraying her AND also knowing that he will die.
@@Foeisudhxj bro, you're suggesting that people only panic one way? I repeat slurs when I panic
Her panicking in the theatre version makes the “I was doing both” line (later when Miles confronts Gwen about stopping him from saving inspector singh) more believable. The digital release just makes her feel more cold and it kinda annoyed me when I watched the digital version.
Exactly, it made me understand why people actually got upset at Gwen after they saw the movie when I realized, Oh…. This version of the movie makes Gwen look just less genuine enough to convince the audience she is more worried about Miguel and the team than Miles (When she CLEARLY is not)
@@bradendixon1059that's not why people hate gwen. They just completely missed the point of the entire movie by blaming Gwen for literally everything that happened.
@@HobieInTheBoxDo people actually hate Gwen? I’ve never really run into that but I don’t see how people could hate her. I get disliking her being dishonest about Miles’s past and from his perspective she doesn’t do anything to earn that trust back, but from our view she immediately sacrificed everything to help Miles and is likely going to be integral to his success in the next movie.
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There are two versions of the same movie ?
The fact that she sounded so genuine, made it seem very realistic in the sense that Gwen isn’t just some normal character, but that she is the most relatable human in this scene.
best part is she loves miles
The novelty of the "there are different version because it's about the multiverse" thing wore of really quickly for me. it was nice during the theatrical release period cause I've never seen another film do it. however, i honestly think that the production of the film was under so much pressure that some of the "changes" weren't actually intentional but were made cause there simply wasn't enough time and Lord Miller during indecisiveness during production (I've seen many artists that worked on ATSV say that he kept on making changes even after scenes had been fully rendered). I hope at some point in the future, maybe for the Blu-ray release, that the versions that were seen in theatres get properly released and they aren't lost to time or only in cam footage.
The Clue movie had three different theatrical endings, each showing how a different suspect fit all the clues. The disk releases let you watch with a random ending.
It was never because of the Multiverse. That was just something some random guy said and everyone believed them without even stopping to check if it was anywhere near true
@@crangejocall it a fan theory that everybody chooses to roll with
It there anything really wrong with that
@@thedudecalledalan9095 yes there is it is blatant misinformation, that alone makes it stupid, but in this case it ALSO covers up Lord and Miller's really shitty production practices in which they overwork their team only to discard said overwork
@@crangejo yep, the editor of the movie just said a vague "I wonder when people would notice this" and people ran with it and assumed it was intentional. Most of the changes are small/insignificant but there are some scenes like the Prowler Miles where the first version was clearly unfinished compared to the final
Yeah I agree. I liked that scene since it showed how much Gwen cared about Miles
@@JakeyRavioli yeah but the original scene looked more like she was panicking
I'd say the new version shows us what Gwen experiences. The old version shows us what Gwen *feels.*
@@dgmilloway digital version is shit and is not the new version
I agree. And same case with her reveal to her dad scene at the beginning. In the theater audio, after she begins frantically going "are you really this afraid of me??!" was followed by a panicked "No! Stop-" instead of the firm "dad stop!" in the digital release. I felt how raw her heart was breaking that her own dad is turning against her when she verbally asked him literally seconds ago to be dad instead of cop at that moment. And it showed how she didn't want to fight her own dad in any means despite him hesitantly raising his gun at her again in comparison to the firm "dad stop!" that felt like she was ready to counter her dad immediately. Just my opinion tho!
I agree! Thanks for pointing this out
@@JumpdeArt the first time i heard the way she said the frantic "no!" with such a heart broken tone in her voice broke my heart for her too, like i really felt bad for her 😭
Also later when Miguel explains Miles canon events. Miles says "I thought you were trying to save me" and she replies "I was". Which means she was actually worried about him dying and so the original version fits so much better.
I think she was trying to save him from disrupting a canon event
The version I saw had her follow up with, "I was trying to do both."
@@bw4348 Me too I think. This one also fits better.
Really she was afraid could Miles dead like Peter. Before that? Only she was trying to stop him
@@bw4348I was see that version
I liked the part when Miles said “Sorry man I’m going home” just sounds like he’s re-affirming his beliefs and idea of “Imma do my own thing”
YES EXACTLY!! That line was literally one of my favorite lines in the movie. Without the “Sorry man I’m going home” the “Imma do my own thing” just feels short. Like Miles is sorry to go home but he wants to save his dad.
@@Bigpapa830 that’s exactly how I feel
Yeah but it just felt random
It also makes it clear that Miles doesn't see Miguel as an enemy or as a bad person. The line shows that Miles understands Miguel's motives (or at least can empathize with him) It seems like Miles wants to save his parents but not actively affect Miguel's plans.
Without the line it seems like Miles isn't interested in what could happen as long as he saves his parents. It also makes Miguel look more like a villain than in the theaters version
@@limitless_ftw No it didnt
This was one of my favourite moments in the whole film and they changed it. It made me feel so bad for her because of her trauma and fear of losing Miles and she almost did in the exact same way she lost Peter and they changed it.
Edit: Gwen's best friend's death WAS canon event for her
The new version was an almost exact copy of how she reacted to Peter.
Schnee, you brought to my attention two things:
1. I never connected the fact that Gwen had to watch her second best friend be under lots of rubble in fatal circumstances, it should have been obvious to me, since Gwen brought up how Peter was her best friend before Miles was.
2. There was another version of Gwen searching for miles in the rubble, I was aware of there being different scenes showings of the movie like Ben holding miles with his biceps or Lyla’s opening scene in the fight against vulture, but I never knew that.
So thank you for providing me with both pieces of information.
I agree her panicking less really loosens the tension in that scene because the theatrical version really highlights that she doesn’t wanna repeat the events of her past
Exactly.i was pretty calm during this scene.but when i wached the version she freaks out i felt it through my core
There are multiple audio issues. Miles shooting away Miguel, this scene with Miles and Gwen, Miguel flying behind Miles 'youre so frust-', and even Sun Spider's dialogue has none of the music behind it.
This change was already in one of the two theatrical versions, just not the one I watched... there is an easy fix to this, and it's just making both versions available at some point!
Better be on the bluray!
@@bw4348fr, I actually want to buy it and want all the dialogue from the theather versions
Yep I hope so, or else I'm pirating my ideal version
@@thedudecalledalan9095 SONY! WHY DID YOU MAKE THAT GUY?
There were at least three (two distinct versions and one that combines parts of both)
There were apparently at least two cuts in theaters... This was part of the reason I wanted to go see it in theaters again, because the rumor was they used the "audio issues" to sneak a second (or even third) cut into theaters, similar to the movie "Clue". And I would not be surprised if they did the same thing on streaming.
I actually saw both versions in theater, it was pretty rad, especially for a movie all about the multiverse.
I don't know if I was just hearing things, but I swear I heard Gwen say shit
She is still audibly distraught and extremely worried, but without the extra second or two of her panicking it really does seem more like generic "spiderman concern for other's safety" and less like "Gwen's worst fear coming to fruition in front of her eyes"
It's not like it ruins the scene but it does rob it of some additional depth that was important to showing how important Miles is to Gwen.
That’s so random and ultimately less impactful, Gwen and miles relationship is one of the most important in the movie, the original clearly shows Gwen’s panic and desperation
The panicking feels so natural, especially tying back to her reaction to Peter. I don't really understand why they changed it here.
Gwen panicking a lot shows how much she loves Miles and how miles changed her mind, your right
I do think it enhances the scene to audibly hear more of her brief panic, but I don’t think the scene is entirely robbed of that subtext, it just makes the subtext clearer I think.
As for the other changes, a lot of them were pretty minor imo. I actually think one of them was an improvement. Miles tells Miguel “Nah, I’mma do my own thing.”. The theatrical has him follow up instantly with “Sorry, man. I’m going home.”, but the digital release removes this and allows the scene to cap off with the previous line “Nah, I’mma do my own thing.” which I think goes way harder.
Nah, I like having that Sorry line because it makes it feel like Miguel doesn't understand the situation whereas without that line it makes Miguel look scared. Also it shows that Miles doesn't actually Miguel is a bad person.
Nah, I like having that Sorry line because it makes it feel like Miguel doesn't understand the situation whereas without that line it makes Miguel look scared. Also it shows that Miles doesn't actually Miguel is a bad person.
wait in the cinemas or in the digital release does he say "sorry man im going home" cos if its in the cinemas i totally must have zoned out twice cos i never heard him say that lol. either way, i prefer him not saying it tbh
@@sldarwin5615 Yeah he does in the theatrical, but it’s pretty hard to hear in a loud mix of that climax I suppose.
@@jamainegardner4193 I think Miles is allowed to not apologize to him after Miguel spent the last five minutes clawing, punching and screaming at him about what a mistake he is…
What’s so interesting about the whole situation is that I wouldn’t have even noticed this change. Because of the two theatrical versions, I never heard these removed Gwen lines in the first place.
Honestly, I can get behind both versions. The one with her lines unmuted does lend more urgency to her search. We can hear in her voice the desperation to know she didn’t actually just lose another friend the same way she lost Peter; however, I can also understand why they muted the lines. You can hear her saying them before they fade out, so they’re still there. She’s still saying them, but I think the reason they’ve been muted is that we’re being shown that same panic in a more “realistic” way. When you’re in a panic like that, you aren’t thinking and you can’t hear anything or acknowledge anything beyond your immediate need. Usually, that immediate need is your own safety, but in Gwen’s case, she NEEDS to know she didn’t just watch another friend die and be unable to stop it, so everything fades out. All the noise, any voices, anything that isn’t contributing to helping her find Miles is irrelevant.
When she finds him alive and well, sound comes back, thought comes back, the world starts spinning again because he’s ok. That’s why she didn’t think to look at her watch to see “CANON EVENT DISRUPTED” until after she knew he was ok. Him being ok meant more than the canon staying intact.
Nope, the one where we can here her speak is way better
@@IronheartvsMilesEh, that’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to it.
Not true, you can still hear the rumble.
@@TeodorLojewski Like I said, it’s muted. The point is she can’t hear it. She’s dead set on finding Miles, and all else is static until she does.
kinda, but from a practical standpoint, the audio is more impactful. It gets the message across more effectively. it may be true that she's even more so in such a tremendous amount of panic that she's unable to speak, but with the audio, you can really _feel_ her panic better. and it works even better because she had the same reaction with Peter, so it's even more like history is repeating itself
What a weird choice. I’ve seen the theatrical but mot digital yet and had no idea of this change, so the parallels felt very clear and intentional.
I guess maybe they wanted to make it more subtle? But I think all it does is make her seem a bit more cold and internalized, which does her emotional investment in him a disservice… or at the very least makes a great moment just the slightest bit weaker for no real reason.
Definitely showed so much emotion, she really cares about Miles just as much.
I 100% agree with you, not to mention Hailee's voice acting, especially in this scene, was on point
My theory is they did this change thinking that the audio didn't align well with the character movements, but honestly I think it works fine. Really highlights how much Gwen cares for Miles.
The digital version went with what I believe to be the first theatrical cut of the movie. The one that had audio issues but was later replaced with the second version in most theatres. I personally like the second version more for 2 specific scenes which is the topic of this video and the recording of Spot making his mini collider. Both have small scenes that enhance certain aspects of Gwen and Spot's character that I like.
Actually no its the other way around, the theatrical version is the original release (the one with Gwen's panicked voice), then the one you saw a week later with audio issues fixed (the one without), and then the digital version was based on that 2nd version but added additional changes like comic panels in Gwen's intro.
I actually agree with you, schnee. Sony really should change that back.
Agreed. It's a weird change to make because it does clearly tie the two.
I hope it's not some BS about a strong woman wouldn't do that. Because Gwen is actually still being mentally strong here despite her panic. She's actively working on the problem and searching for Miles and not giving up hope. Strong women can still feel panicked. It's more important that she keeps working on a solution and doesn't give up hope prematurely, doesn't turn her back and refuse to look out of fear of what she would find (a mentally/emotionally weak response).
Doing this absolutely weakens the character's arc, and also makes her seem weirdly robotic.
WHY!!! that was such a good part where her panic is so GOOD
If the other version isn't on the DVD, I'll have to get my ⛵ and 🐦 and start sailing again. Sony, why would you make me that guy?
I def think it’s a bad change, it shows way more how panicked and attached to miles is, fearing her friend could’ve suffered the same fate as Peter. The way this scenes shown it makes her feel more detached and kinda almost gives off the wrong impression of her being afraid more about the canon being broken rather than Miles, making him seem almost more like a added bonus
But that was part of her story. She is purposefully detaching herself from emotional connections because she is afraid of losing them. At this point in the movie she hasn't fully confronted those thoughts. She has yet to grow into the complete version of herself we see at the end of the movie.
I remember that when people started to notice there were two versions of the movie, one version had this line and "sorry man, I'm going home" cut out
Another change I kinda don't like is at the end. Specifically, the different version of "Start a Band". When I watched it in the cinema, they edited the soundtrack by making it fit the scene. They extended it a little bit so that the Prowler sound effect plays when Miles 42 activates his glove/gauntlet and then they extended the drop so that the track continues when Miles starts panting. Then they cut a small section of it so that it fits the rest of the scene, so Spot's theme and Hobie's guitar play at the right time. But for some reason they thought it was better to just leave the soundtrack unedited in the end, after all the trouble they went through to make it fit as much as possible, in which they definitely succeeded initially.
This is disappointing…. Which version kept it in? Only the theatrical?
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one upset about this change. The only two changes I’m really upset that Sony made in the digital version is the “Sorry man, I’m going home” line getting removed, and then this. Gwen’s panicked dialogue makes the scene so much more interesting and upsetting because Gwen thinks she just lost another friend. I really hope Sony notices how huge of a change this scene has and changes it to the theatrical version because frankly when Gwen’s lines are removed, it shows that she doesn’t care if Miles dies and just cares about if he disrupted the canon or not. But in the other version she’s freaking out. One of the worst changes to the movie imo.
Edit:
Video recommendation: Analysis scene of where Gwen is getting arrested by her dad
She thinks that anyway. You don’t need the character to scream her thoughts out loud in order to understand it.
Also I think there is meant to be some mystery in the scene and tension when Miles finds out she was trying to stop him from BREAKING CANON and not just worried that he might die.
I like the second version better. But I don’t mind if there are two versions.
As long as there is a sequence that Miles questioning why Gwen held him from saving Singh, and she said both, i think it's still tolerable. After all she was still behind the mask and the eye animation doesn't change.
Upon re-watching, i think it is intended to signify that the building was just collapsed, her voice is being covered by the rubbles still going down, and to add panic to the scene by those buzzing high freq sound to make the crashing effect lasted longer, so her monologue is being compressed to no no word only. Plus she was still calling his name when jumping down, so i see why it's got edited to add suspense.
So for that, i think the intention was just about adding tensions, but inadvertently removed her speech too. Thank god the eyes animation doesn't get replaced.
I can imagine them cutting it as a way that makes the scene more “show don’t tell”
In fact, basically ALL the changes that happen from theatrical to digital stem from that mentality. In my head i could see why they cut it. But I can also see how it’s very powerful as well. So it really does go both ways imo
Technically, this version is also a theatrical version. There were two versions that played in theater. This one and the one we liked.
Also, She does scream Miles' name in the new version. It's not *just* "no, no!"
I agree that the panicked version is better. But I have softened in my stance against the change, as I think it only really feels terrible in contrast. The new version is still trying to get across the same message, but is trying to do so in a more "viseral" way. The buzzing, muffled sounds, and silence is meant to place us more directly in Gwen's PoV. An entire building has literally just crashed to the ground in a deafening roar on top of Miles and she is so panicked that she can't think.
Personally, I don't think it works as well, and I think it hurts the parallelism with her Peter's death.
In the end, I probably wouldn't have nearly as big a problem with the buzzing and muffled sound as long as we could still hear all of her dialogue. It's the silence that truly makes the scene weaker, imo.
Let's start a petition for the "No No No No No" Cut!
Nope the one where she speaking a lot of better.
That explains a lot, it’s been a minute since I saw it in theaters but I didn’t remember extra dialogue or the “sorry man, I’m gonna go home”. Definitely was wondering if I remembered wrong😂
That makes sense, and honestly I think both versions could have been better than they were? I think Gwen’s voice sounds a bit too “smooth” and could be more guttural or shakey in the version with her speaking. It would be more upsetting and impactful. And in the other version, I think layering over the sound of her breathing and/or heartbeat would get across what they were going for. Both versions sound a bit held back.
@@kamille286yea, the one I saw had him say that he was gonna do his own thing
Going through the twitter thread, it's not that they made changes to the digital release alone. There were actual MULTIPLE VERSIONS of the film shown in theaters (this was officially confirmed, I'll see if I can find the source). The changes that are stated to be updated for the digital release all happened to be ones I saw in my two theatre viewings!
Hearing Gwen panic like that when i first saw the movie almost brought me to tears it was so visceral so real. The new version feels like its more centered on Miles, but this movie as a whole feels more centered on Gwen (with respect to how Miles changes her) so losing that line definitely hurts the movie overall
This film is not centered on Gwen at all. She has a side story within Miles main arc of all three films.
@@IronheartvsMiles(this will be a long comment so you can ignore it if you want, I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm just stating my opinions about a work of art) I agree with you that the trilogy is Miles' story, however, one of the biggest complaints I've seen about this movie is that it doesn't feel like it works as a standalone movie. And with that in mind if you look at only Miles then yes there isn't really a strong character arc, he starts the movie doing well, he's been Spiderman for a year and a bit and he's learning how to balance that with his mundane life while his parents keep treating him like a kid, then he meets his best friend again and learns that she's hiding things from him (in her mind) to "protect" him, then he fails to fight a villain he had failed to catch earlier, then he saves a police captain and a little girl thereby letting Pavitr "do both" and is told that his actions threaten to destroy a whole universe (even though the annihilation that Miguel shows looks completely different to the black void that moreso looks like a collider accident or The Spot), he is told his dad has to die because he is a police captain close to Miles, and then he isn't even given the *option* to be there while it happens to *try* to "do both" (save the people *and* his dad) so he fights to escape because he wants people to stop treating him like a kid. There are really good story beats in this, but his ideals (believing Spiderman can save everyone always) and never truly tested, he is just told that he's wrong and he isn't given the choice to see that for himself (if he even is fully wrong). But there's a reason that Gwen is the first and last character we see on the screen. She starts the movie as an already tired and burnt out Spiderwoman that's trying to maintain a semblance of a good relationship with her father through the death of her best friend and her dad's fixation on catching Spiderwoman, she then joins the Spider Society after having her heart ripped out when her dad chooses to "do the right thing" and be a cop instead of being her dad thinking that it's the only place she fits in and that the Spiderpeople are the only people she truly feels she belongs with, then she tries to do both (be a part of the Spider Society and be friends with Miles) and she's shown it doesn't work when Miles ends up tagging along to Mumbattan, and then she tries to do both *again* (stop Miles from "breaking the canon" and try to save him from being crushed by rubble) and is shown again that it doesn't work because Miles goes anyway since he thinks she's just trying to protect him, and then she sees her new best friend fight so hard to get back to his family so he can try to do both even after being shown what might happen and she realizes that the people she thought were "doing the right thing" might be *wrong*, and then she has a true heart to heart with her dad and that causes him to choose to quit being a cop which means if the canon is real then he won't die yet because he's not a police captain close to her, and she realizes that maybe just maybe Spiderpeople can "do both" if they have other people helping them and maybe if they aren't alone then maybe they don't *all* have to suffer through the lose that those before them had to suffer. Is this all objective fact, no, it's my analysis of what I saw on screen, and the fact that other people can have different opinions/interpretations/analyses is a very good thing
It also just feels and SOUNDS empty without the panicing, this scene is similar to when she finds out Spot escaped and there she keeps commenting to herself like "shoot". This scene feels and sounds empty without her little commentary.
Completely agree on this one. Emotions like these are important in these kind of movie, it gives the character depth. It's crucial!
Yeah but thay version was out there already in theatres. I also saw the one with the panicking. I personally wouldn't mind if they released every version, not just one. But i do prefer the version i saw of this scene and I would want to watch that digitally.
This is the big one most fans are upset about with, myself included. I understand what they're looking to do with the digital version. A large building's just collapsed, causing a slight ringing tone followed by continued silence; the depiction of Gwen going through panic/shock at the possible loss of Miles. The same message, just delivered through different cues. If at possible, perhaps a blend of the two where at least her voice lines can be heard.
Yeah, I saw the scene in Netflix not in the theatre, and I remember thinking that it was weird that Gwen was so "chill" during that moment. I didn't know they made changes from the theatre version to the digital one.
EVEN HERE YOU DID A FULL ANALYSIS just DAMN
To be fair, there were MULTIPLE versions even in theaters...
They seem to be wanting to make things unique for different viewings...
no, there was a second version of the movie which was essentially the digital version. The reason is not cause of multiverse but due to bad production issues pushed to the animators. Some animators had to redo fully rendered shots a month before release cause the producers were indecisive
@@kbachani229 I'm pretty sure it was intentional that the directors put in multiple different versions of various scenes. There's even a vid about it talking about version A and version B (the changes) a month ago but a lot of the comments mentioned that some movies that they saw have combinations of them (like having one scene be version A and the later scene being version B)
It's not "MULTIPLE versions" this was the first
@@littleshell7335 if you can back that up with a source, that'll be great. But from everything I have read, the multi verse excuse was made so that the producers don't come under scrutiny.
Making things unique can be done in ways that don't take away any important aspects of characters. Like the bunny filter with Lyla for example. Or just making something benign look visually pleasing. Cutting out important lines and dilating the music.. not so much different than just a nit-as-good experience.
I kinda like it though because it makes the scene more coherent. When Spot showed Miles the future, it was implied that Inspector Singh was going to die. So when this scene occurs, the audience would naturally anticipate whether the detective was hurt, not Miles. Having Gwen reacting too much to Miles would shift the attention away from the flow of the scene.
I think, if they were going to do a scene where they parallel Peter and Miles being hurt, it would need more build up because it doesn't make sense that Miles is suddenly in danger in the middle of the story from random falling rubble.
it's worse. change it back.
I’m glad I saw this in theater then. I remember being confused as hell watching 1408 at a friends house, having only seen it in theater and getting blindsided with a different (I think worse) ending.
It’s a real bummer when movies are changed like that.
There was more than 1 theatrical release and they had slight differences between them. This is one of the differences. Both of those are the "original" scene. Both scenes were in theatrical releases in different theaters. This was a multiverse easter egg.
I agree as well. Yeah, some people become completely silent when they panic, but Gwen saying a similar line when Peter was dying in Miles’ scene would’ve been seen as relevant and legit. Since not everyone is silent when they panic.
There are Multiplie versions of small scenes changed. You can decided which is canon to you. Its not a big of a deal really. Just directors mesing with us with multiverse idea
That's neat in theory, it's not like Spider-verse is the first film to have multiple versions in theaters.
But it doesn't really hold up when the home release comes out and only one version is available.
@@jadthemad7871 i seen some 2 diffrent versions of ATSV shown in cinema, but somehow, my cinema got 3rd version 😂
You also should count that not everyone seen version with sound scene in the cinema, but this with no sound so i guess they also could have made diffrent versions in digital form too?
Are there different versions of the digital release too?
I agree that it's not a big deal for the vast majority of the changes. Usually it's just a slight variation or switching out a joke.
But it really does change the entire vibe of the Gwen Through Rubble scene. In the "original" the pure panic in her voice never fails to leave a lump in my throat and the parallelism in dialogue between this scene and the death of her Peter adds extra weight to what this means to her.
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Wow, I didn't even notice, this should definitely be in the digital release
this is like the theatrical version of godzilla kotm 2019 having him do his high pitched screech when ghidorah shot him in theaters. they changed it to his original roar for some reason, when we know THAT HURT AND WHAT THAT ROAR MEANT if you have watched godzilla before.
That line of Gwen's panicking, they should have put it inthe movie because it fits perfectly when later she says to Miles "I was", because she really was also trying to prevent him from dying.. also I didn't realize because of the way she picked up the debris the same when she was He realized that his best friend Peter was the lizard, before he died
Damn I just noticed it, Both of them were hit by a falling debris which led Peter dying. What makes it more interesting and intriguing that Gwen knows whenever a canon event is going to happen,
Some character which has a huge significance/impact to Spider-Man will DIE. That's why she's frantic and hoping that Miles isn't dead. Sadly this digital version changed it.
Imagine your current bestfriend died exactly the same as your close childhood friend, you're going to live with that trauma and haunt you for the rest of your life.
THERE'S NO WAY I'm actually crying laughing at this. I watched the video (found it in my recs) and remembered someone's arcane character analysis (that I really liked) after seeing something similar about Gwen under this video from another creator, thought he might have interesting thoughts to share about ATSV. I searched it up. It was you all along 😭
As someone who missed this during the theatrical run, I thought that moment felt hollow.
Now I understand why.
I hate that they changed Gwen's Peter death. In the sequel it shows a rubble fall on Lizard Peter which kills him but in the Into The Spiderverse it is implied that Gwen physically killed Peter by not pulling her punches. Its gives mre weight to Peter's death and the grieve and guilt about it too
yeah. it also makes the line "I didn't know it was him" hit even harder, and would make Captain Stacy's reaction to the reveal more justifiable.
Ok, so I've actually learned that the version of the movie they put to digital, is what I call, "the selfie version" since it's the most notable apparent change that happens almost immediately. For those of you who don't remember, we actually found out that Across the Spider-Verse actually had 2 versions playing in theaters. One of the first and most notable changes people caught on to was Lyla's fist bump after teasing Miguel to call Jess being changed to her taking a Selfie with him. Now the "selfie version" actually removes more scenes than the fist bump version, as well as most of the dialogue. And it looks like the selfie version is the version that got put to digital, which is quite a shame since the fist bump version is overall better in terms of dialogue that really shows the emotional impact on the charcters
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I'm glad my local theater had Gwen's voiceline in it. And seeing the cut voiceline leaves a big empty meh on my stomach. The scene really falls flat now and that moment of silence was deafening :X I'm with you, Sony should bring it back.
And it gives the impression that Gwen wasn’t thinking about Pavitirs Captain Cannon Event, she was genuinely terrified that miles would die and this makes everything better
This IS the theatrical version I saw. I know there was a bit of a kerfuffle about there being different cuts in theaters people were seeing, but I didn't realize the absolutely iconic "I'mma do my own thing" was one of the differences.
Quieter Gwen is fine though, she's still very obviously panicking, the point is still made. I think the silence actually kinda lets the emotion sink in better personally.
Quiet Gwen is not fine and it's an insult to the actor Hailee Steinfeld's work on this film.
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Lots of lines get recorded that don't make a final cut. I can get preferring the more verbalized version, but having a couple lines removed is not an insult to her performance.
Across the Spiderverse is a very unusual case where there were apparently multiple "final" cuts, but you wouldn't generally call deleted scenes insults to the actors, or the writers, or the artists, even if you disagree with a scene's deletion. Not everything needs to be a personal affront.
I watched the movie in Germany but in English and here he also said "imma do my own thing", very weird.
@@radical_rat it is a insult to her work digital version is so awful
@@glitchispider8201How is it an insult?
I at first thought the less panicked take was better, until you explained the connection between the rubble falling on Gwen's Peter and the rubble falling on Miles, and now my mind is changed.
i watched ATSV in theaters 12 times, and every time I watched it, I got the silent version of this scene
I noticed that and thought it was weird. Now whenever I see that scene I just think she's saying it in my head. Wishful Thinking
Sony change it back or else
Btw I'm watching with a Ukrainian dub and her panicking is still there
While I agree that I prefer the way it was originally; something I just want to draw attention to is that the version that was released in cinemas has 2 different versions and the team behind it said they chose to do this as a reference to the idea of the multiverse, that 2 different versions existed simultaneously almost like 2 different universes.
I’m just wondering if there is some meta aspect to this decision that we aren’t aware of or don’t understand yet? Though I will admit I can’t why this would be a bit they change
I didn't see the theatrical release, so when I saw this scene at home, I felt like it was missing dialogue, it was too quiet, it felt like something was supposed to be said here.
Her line afterwards, "what I always think: you're amazing" or something along those lines now feel a bit forced after the change
its not a change! there are actually 3 versions of the movie, all 3 appearing on debut day
A and B version, with completely different little scenes, and C being a mix of the two
Thats a distinction without a difference.
All it means is that rather than this being a change making the film worse, instead it's that one of the worse versions of the movie was picked for the digital release. Every criticism is the same.
@@jmaitland5709no, i 100% agree that the one where she says miles is better!
im just saying that its not a "post release edit" like the video seems to imply
and also, the digital version i watched had the more impactful scene, have no idea which streaming sites got which
@@jademonass2954 That's wild. The fact they put all the different versions out on digital makes me even more confused by this whole meta-joke thing they're doing with the multiple versions
@@jademonass2954 if you don't mind my asking, Is your copy in English? Also, Where did you stream the movie from? If it's in English, I want to go buy it there.
I get the feeling they did that to "show don't tell" Gwen's state of panic by replacing her words with a defeaning sound effect. What they didn't account for is that doing so muted too much Gwen's state of mind. That made the delivery less clear and failing the utility of show don't tell, which should generally deliver clarity beyond words.
I hate the "show don't tell" mentality. The situation dictates the tactic.
@@spacepope87I LOVE "show don't tell", it's one of my favorite filmmaking devices, but it *needs* to be done *right.* There's a time and a place for it, and this just wasn't it.
@@lixxie144 Exactly. Time and place.
Show don't tell doesn't equal literally don't have your characters speak. That's not applicable here and I would think they know that, so idk if that's what the issue is. What you want to show is Gwen going out of her mind in panic. Telling would be Gwen saying later that she was concerned for his safety, but us never really seeing it. Giving us lipservice.
Showing would be us actually seeing the moment and having her display how afraid she was to lose him in that moment. Both do that. The original however, is literally showing, and in a way more concerned and panicked way, which sells the point of her trying to save him and her worst fears coming to fruition in front of her better than comparative silence.
What I'm feeling most likely happened is some exec just preferring the less emotive cut for some reason and making the decision to get rid of the better one.
I watched it twice in a theatre here in India and both times I had the same version as the digital release. Interesting...
As someone who saw the digital release and not the theatrical release, I definitely feel like I missed that bit, but would have caught it if it was left in. I can kinda see why they changed it, but I think they should have just played with the audio a bit more. From what I can tell, what they were going for was a shock/ears ringing sort of feeling. Like where you're so stressed (and also so many loud noises) that you just can't hear anything, but I feel a very muffled Gwen panicking would have been a lot more impactful (and a good little thing to encourage rewatches if it wasn't super easy to hear).
Idk why they changed it in the last moment I think the original sound was better
I really miss the first theatrical version, even with its bad audio mixing. I’ve seen both versions and the first one just has more charm. I hope it sees the light of day again.
I think what they were TRYING to do was make it feel more disoriented with the audio, but they ended up taking away from the original interpretation in doing so. Unfortunate.
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yeah they changed some things good and some bad it seems, like a good change was in the scene miles finds out he's in the wrong dimension, Miguel says "the spider the gave you your powers wasn't from your dimension", which hit way harder than the theatre when miles said something similar.
You know how some meetings are a “this could have been an email” type of meeting. Well this video could have been a short.
completely agree!! this was a terrible change
I liked the "I'm going home" line. Nice bit of double subtext, Miles thinks he's being kind but Miguel just takes it as patronizing (yk, "I'm sorry you feel that way" type since Miles obviously isn't sorry for going home) and further humiliation after being beaten by a kid in front of the entire Spider-society.
damn
I never even thought of that scene in this way
I really need to go back n watch into spider verse in case I missed any other parallels between scenes
Yall it's OK if some of the dialog is missing because it's the digital release. It's gonna get a theatrical cut release so I'm not worried about it😅
I've seen both these versions of her dialogue in the theater, and the directors have confirmed that there are indeed multiple versions of the film's entire scene changes or just small dialogue choices. The digital release had to be a single standardized version I guess.
Funnily enough, I have an audio recording of when I saw it opening night, and the audio heard on the digital release is what I hear in my recording
I think innocent changes like Lyla with the selfie/fist bump thing are fun. But it bums me out to think I’ll never be able to see the version I saw in theatres the first time. Some of the changes are so unnoticeable but for a movie with such stunning details, those little details make the movie so much better and are important
Bro why did they even take it out? It’s not like they cut it down for time, it’s the same amount of video 😭😭😭
i’m so glad the version i got in theaters had “nah, imma do my own thing” cause that line cut me to my CORE
1:07 this was a sucker punch, like damn you're right but was there another way to put it???
Agreed. On a side note I also noticed there were some animation changes in the Netflix version to the clips I’ve seen online? (I haven’t seen the one released in theaters, but did see some clips. Which I assume are from the theater release) It’s odd because I think the ones I’ve seen in clips are way better, for example the scene where geen is going trough miles his drawings and when he tells he’s grounded.
Idk why they changed it. The theatrical one shows that she cares more and moreso strengthens the relationship these 2 have.
I believe it was intentional. The animators did say that there are tiny version changes indicating viewers that it really is *across the universe* and there are multiversal possibilities of things happening.
That's just exceptional from them💥
They did that to portray Gwen as a “strong female who doesn’t cry over men” which I find ridiculous. When you love someone and you see your worst fears come to life you will panic.
I agree with you, but it also fits well with the silence since it shows later on that she didn't have his back which is why he cut the web when she tried to catch him.
I'm just praying that it's like a feature in the DVDs when we get the blu-ray combo pack where we get to choose which version of the movie we watch and the digital release is just limited version that could only give us Option B