Victim - elphaba diggs aka almyria gulch aka the witch of the west Killer - Dorothy gale Weapon - water Crime scene - elphabas castle Instigator - oscar diggs aka the wizard The reason for the crime - to hurt his own daughter out of spite and greed so who was the real villain in wicked - Oscar diggs aka the wizard who was the real villainess in the wizard of oz Dorothy gale the daughter of john and Annie gale
She's the main protagonist, the story is mostly about her, no need to prove that. But the original Wicked Witch was not named Elphaba, she was not green, and she was evil because that was her nature. The Margaret Hamilton witch didn't really havea backstory, but she threatened a little dog, so yeah, wicked for reals. This is not a prequel to either the book or the movie, and Elphaba is her own thing, no matter who is playing her. Different story, making a different point, which by and large I agree with, but I like the original book and the 1939 movie better. Because I'm wicked and damn proud of it. Own it, girl! ;)
Why tho? The og was rideculous. I mean the Wizard of OZ ,who is canonically a fraud, used a little girl to kill the witch. That's already shady as hell even in the original story
@wellhellothere-v1h Wicked is very problematic. It's takes a cr*p on Baums original work. The Wicked Witch of the West is a evil ugly oppressor.Not some misunderstood gifted chick. And Glinda the Good is "most powerful" witch in Oz. But Wicked turn that upside down. And now we got a love triangle. And Glinda isn't even magical. But the green witch is. Disgusting.
@@janniewallace5588 The og is shady as hell. Glinda knew Dorothy could just go back to her home but didn't say anything. The wizard is a fraud, etc Wicked is not problematic unless you are talking about the books. Well in Wicked's books everything is differnet that the musical and Glinda is the one with powers actually. So it's not that upside down either. The original story of OZ was shady enough for people to start thinking about who the good and the bad guys are regardless of whether wicked exist or not
@wellhellothere-v1h The Wicked Witch of the West is not magical more powerful than Glinda the good. And why would the most powerful witch in Oz be in a love triangle. BS. And didn't Billie Burke have red hair.
@@janniewallace5588 she looked blond to me And Glinda is more powerful in the "wicked" books as well. You can dislike wicked but these fandictions write themselves due to the original movie being shady This is not a "lion king" or "malificent" scenario where they are trying to make us sympathise with the villains. The good guys of the wizard of Oz were always shady even in the original
I do not like this story for the reason that it's the self-sacrifice of Elphaba that creates and provides the storyline for everyone. This continual self-sacrifice that benefits others and never the person who has the gifts and Powers is problematic for me. There are so many things in this movie that are extremely unacceptable to me. This movie is detrimental in so many ways.
@@_magz2023 In the 1995 novel the musical & movie is based on, she does. But, the musical & film gave her a bittersweet happy ending to send theatergoers home happy rather than killing off the main character and Fiyero (who is only the Scarecrow in the musical/film adaptation of _Wicked_ not the novel).
@@19EHF I've already seen it. It's a brilliant stage-to-screen adaptation of the musical, although I'd much rather it employ more elements of the book than it does, but I understand also why it doesn't, because making it more for adults like the book wouldn't get the two-part film the sizable audience that basing it on the saccharine, almost Disney-like musical does, especially since even a lot of people who love the musical dislike/hate the book for its "darker & edgier" context and the fact that both Fiyero AND Elphaba are CANONICALLY DEAD therein (Fiyero is genuinely murdered by the Gale Force in Gregory Mcguire's 1995 novel, as he does NOT become the Scarecrow in it, that's a character alteration intentionally decided upon by the 2003 musical & its film adaptation; Ditto for Boq becoming the Tin Man as a result of the 2003 musical merging simping Boq the Munchkin with Nick Chopper, the OG Tin Man & outright supplanting Nick Chopper's tragic love story [1] with the _Wicked_ musical's soap opera nonsense that has Boq simping for Galinda, who immediately fobs him off to Elphie's crippled/disabled sister Nessa, simply because Galinda is ONLY in love with FIyero AND Elphie but NOBODY ELSE, not even the boring dullard Sir Chuffrey she initially settles on marrying due to the status quo expecting it of her UNTIL she finally decides to leave him & finds herself ruling a kingdom where she's tended to, hand & foot, by "a harem of the most beautiful women in all of OZ" [that is, any female who isn't Princess OZma, Dorothy Gale, or any other prominent female OZ character]), meanwhile the final book from the _WICKED_ saga titled "Out of OZ" strongly implies, if not states directly, that a much older Glinda finds herself imprisoned, no doubt due to her compliant servicing of the cruel regime of The Wizard & Madame Morrible. [1] Nick Chopper's tragic love story as the Tin Woodsman centered around Aimee, the Munchkin maiden whom woodcarver Nick was in love with (and who loved him in return), having to live with an elderly, abusive guardian/evil stepmother. The old hag then gifts Nessa with some sapient Animals (Nessa accepting Animals as hired help rubs revolutionary Animal activist Elphie the wrong way, obviously, but Nessa pays her rebellious sister no mind), so that The Wicked Witch of the East would enchant Nick's axe, so that it would cut up his body while he's trying to build a cottage house for himself & Aimee to live in. As he continues hacking off body parts due to the cursed placed upon him by Nessa, Nick Chopper becomes the Tin Woodsman & subsequently, loses his feelings for Aimee due to no longer having a heart with which to love her back. Aimee's cruel guardian/evil stepmother actually wanted Aimee to be repulsed by Nick's transformation into the Tin Woodsman so that Aimee wouldn't be in love with Nick anymore & Aimee would be forced to be remain the old hag's abused daughter/poor servant girl forever. To play devil's advocate for the supposed Good Witch of the North (in the 1939 MGM film & all _Wicked_ incarnations), Glinda in the _Wicked_ musical does out Oscar Diggs as Elphie's biological father (albeit, post-melting) & pressures him to depart OZ in his repaired hot air balloon out of regretful shame of sending Dorothy & her 3 misfit companions to kill his illegitimate daughter. Soon thereafter, Glinda quickly has Madame Morrible arrested for her summoning the tornado that dropped Dorothy Gale's farmhouse atop Nessa. For her part, the blissfully ignorant farm girl had already used Nessa's enchanted footwear to return home to Kansas by this point. Contrast this with Gregory Mcguire's far darker 1995 novel, because although The Wizard's shameful departure remains the same, aside from book Elphie actually learning that Oscar Diggs IS her dad shortly before she's legitimately melted FOR REAL, Madame Morrible's actually found dead, with her having being poisoned by an unknown assailant before book Elphie could do her in herself, yet The Wicked Witch of the West is still strangely willing to take the notorious credit for her former mentor's death despite not really being the culprit purely because Madame Morrible used her weather powers to summon the tornado which killed her half-sister Nessa, Madame Morrible was The Emerald City's press secretary who forcibly pushed forward her anti-Animal agenda that was actively causing the sapient Animals to lose their rights, it was Madame Morrible's robotic servant Gromatik of the clockwork Tik-Tok people who was directly responsible for fatally slicing the throat of "token Goat" teacher Dr. Dillamond in the 1995 novel, and Madame Morrible & The Wizard were the ones who essentially parceled off a young Princess OZma over to Elphie & Nessa's distant cousin Mombi [2] to obtain the seat of power left behind within The Emerald City for themselves, henceforth proving Madame Morrible to be the definitive wicked witch of _Wicked_ all along. [2] Mombi is a distant cousin of Elphie & Nessa's to whom the infant Princess OZma was handed over to by Madame Morrible & The Wizard following the sudden "disappearance" of Princess OZma's parents, who were the ruling monarchy of OZ UNTIL a power vacuum was left behind in their wake & their child Princess OZma was parceled off to Mombi during the royal heiress's formative years, during which Mombi had transfigured Princess OZma into her servant boy Tip. Tip served as Mombi's unknowing slave right UNTIL Tip almost instaneously reverted back to Princess OZma once again upon using Mombi's Powder of Life to free himself (as Tip)/herself (as Princess OZma) from her captor's clutches & subsequently, robbing Mombi of her transfiguration powers, easily rendering Mombi no longer a threat to the peace & prosperity that followed once Princess OZma reclaimed her family's throne as the true ruler of OZ. However, because Glinda was complicit in the continued wrongdoing for the sake of being "Popular" in either iteration of the _Wicked_ narrative, the returned Princess OZma, soon after reclaiming her family's throne, had the supposed Good Witch of the North imprisoned, despite the fact that G[a]linda Upland wasn't really around at the time that Madame Morrible & The Wizard had covertly handed Princess OZma over to Mombi. Returning to Glinda's imprisonment, while she was basically awaiting death while jailed, the spirit of Elphie (whom, if you remember, is OFFICIALLY melted in _The Wizard of OZ_ proper, as well as within the pages of Gregory Mcguire's adult novel "Wicked: The Life & Times of The Wicked Witch of the West" written in 1995 [that which begot the 2003 stage musical & the recently released 2024/2025 two-part film adaptation loosely based on the latter]) comes down from the sky to bring her 2nd lover (since both members of the GELPHIE ship are CANONICALLY BISEXUAL for not only the already-married [Fiyero's wife's name is Sifina, although she & the majority of Fiyero's family from her side, excluding the captured Nor [3], ended up getting killed by The Wizard's Gale Force militia as an example of what happens to those who rebel against the powers that be] Vinkus prince of the Arjikie tribe Fiyero -- within "Wicked: The Life & Times of The Wicked Witch of the West", the word Winkie is strictly invented as an enslavement term created by biased OZian news media outlets to further disparage, discredit, defame & dehumanize Elphie, as those purportedly reputable new sources were being paid off by the corrupt regime of Madame Morrible & The Wizard to peddle their ongoing propaganda against Elphaba -- AND EACH OTHER [in the 1995 novel, GELPHIE do have sex in both their dorm room in Shiz University & in the single bedroom they share together during their "One Short Day" to have a meeting with The Wizard]) to the OZian afterlife. [3] Nor is the only one of Sirfina's children with Fiyero who actually shows some semblance of compassion for both Elphie (who stays at the family's castle in the western Kiamo Ko mountains under the pseudonym of "Auntie Guest") & Fiyeraba's bastard lovechild Liir (he's born near the end of the first "Wicked" book from 1995 & is the star of the first sequel book titled "Son of a Witch", even though all book sequels were released off the back of the runaway, long-term success of the 2003 musical adaptation of the 1995 novel), however Nor ends up captured & imprisoned in the Alcatraz-inspired jail located underground beneath The Emerald City, with book Elphie returning to The Emerald City to haggle with The Wizard in exchange for Nor's freedom. When The Wizard refuses to set Nor free & admits to book Elphie that he had the rest of her lover's family killed to keep them from speaking out against him, The Wicked Witch of the West adamantly refuses to side with him ever again, even after she angrily discovers that he IS her biological father & that the green vial she kept as a memento of her mother Melena was what made her skin green (although to specifically answer the "Is your [womanhood] green?" question, Gregory Mcguire confirms in his 1995 novel that Elphie's pubes are actually purple during a graphic depiction of her sexual intercourse with Fiyero that leads to the birth of Liir, even if Elphie doesn't remember giving birth to Liir, since she was in a depressive coma upon receiving the news that the Gale Force had killed Fiyero during the time that she would've likely given birth to her & Fiyero's illegitimate offspring). Comparatively, in the 2003 musical (and within the film adaptation, in all likelihood), Elphie never finds out her true parentage (as in, she never finds out that Oscar Diggs aka The Wizard IS her biological father) & Liir remains conspicuously absent (Likely because adding him in would further overcomplicate the simplified story beats a bit, particularly since Fiyero becomes the Scarecrow in the 2003 musical & the 2nd half of the film adaptation).
Right. Let's just forget she lit the scarecrow, supposedly her love, on FIRE! What a joke. Elphaba was evil in the original story, but some dufus wanted to rewrite the story to fit his agenda. That should be illegal. Wicked destroyed Frank L. Baum's ORIGINAL story. Disgraceful.
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Victim - elphaba diggs aka almyria gulch aka the witch of the west
Killer - Dorothy gale
Weapon - water
Crime scene - elphabas castle
Instigator - oscar diggs aka the wizard
The reason for the crime - to hurt his own daughter out of spite and greed so who was the real villain in wicked - Oscar diggs aka the wizard who was the real villainess in the wizard of oz Dorothy gale the daughter of john and Annie gale
I think she's a good person the wizard He's the real bad guy
She is BAD in The Wizard of Oz. Suddenly, she is good in Wicked. Whoever wrote Wicked should apologize to Frank L. Baum.
It doesn’t look like makeup it looks like someone with green and has no makeup
Same. I’m now obsessed with the lore now.
She's the main protagonist, the story is mostly about her, no need to prove that.
But the original Wicked Witch was not named Elphaba, she was not green, and she was evil because that was her nature. The Margaret Hamilton witch didn't really havea backstory, but she threatened a little dog, so yeah, wicked for reals. This is not a prequel to either the book or the movie, and Elphaba is her own thing, no matter who is playing her. Different story, making a different point, which by and large I agree with, but I like the original book and the 1939 movie better. Because I'm wicked and damn proud of it. Own it, girl! ;)
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It feels illegal to be this early tbh
A misunderstood villian.
I'm glad Wicked is not canon to the original Wizard of Oz.
Why tho?
The og was rideculous.
I mean the Wizard of OZ ,who is canonically a fraud, used a little girl to kill the witch. That's already shady as hell even in the original story
@wellhellothere-v1h Wicked is very problematic. It's takes a cr*p on Baums original work.
The Wicked Witch of the West is a evil ugly oppressor.Not some misunderstood gifted chick. And Glinda the Good is "most powerful" witch in Oz.
But Wicked turn that upside down.
And now we got a love triangle.
And Glinda isn't even magical.
But the green witch is. Disgusting.
@@janniewallace5588 The og is shady as hell. Glinda knew Dorothy could just go back to her home but didn't say anything. The wizard is a fraud, etc
Wicked is not problematic unless you are talking about the books. Well in Wicked's books everything is differnet that the musical and Glinda is the one with powers actually. So it's not that upside down either.
The original story of OZ was shady enough for people to start thinking about who the good and the bad guys are regardless of whether wicked exist or not
@wellhellothere-v1h The Wicked Witch of the West is not magical more powerful than Glinda the good.
And why would the most powerful witch in Oz be in a love triangle.
BS.
And didn't Billie Burke have red hair.
@@janniewallace5588 she looked blond to me
And Glinda is more powerful in the "wicked" books as well.
You can dislike wicked but these fandictions write themselves due to the original movie being shady
This is not a "lion king" or "malificent" scenario where they are trying to make us sympathise with the villains. The good guys of the wizard of Oz were always shady even in the original
I do not like this story for the reason that it's the self-sacrifice of Elphaba that creates and provides the storyline for everyone. This continual self-sacrifice that benefits others and never the person who has the gifts and Powers is problematic for me. There are so many things in this movie that are extremely unacceptable to me. This movie is detrimental in so many ways.
elphaba doesnt die in the end anyways 😂😂😂
@@_magz2023 In the 1995 novel the musical & movie is based on, she does. But, the musical & film gave her a bittersweet happy ending to send theatergoers home happy rather than killing off the main character and Fiyero (who is only the Scarecrow in the musical/film adaptation of _Wicked_ not the novel).
lol okay then don’t go see it. It’s that simple 😂
@@19EHF I've already seen it. It's a brilliant stage-to-screen adaptation of the musical, although I'd much rather it employ more elements of the book than it does, but I understand also why it doesn't, because making it more for adults like the book wouldn't get the two-part film the sizable audience that basing it on the saccharine, almost Disney-like musical does, especially since even a lot of people who love the musical dislike/hate the book for its "darker & edgier" context and the fact that both Fiyero AND Elphaba are CANONICALLY DEAD therein (Fiyero is genuinely murdered by the Gale Force in Gregory Mcguire's 1995 novel, as he does NOT become the Scarecrow in it, that's a character alteration intentionally decided upon by the 2003 musical & its film adaptation; Ditto for Boq becoming the Tin Man as a result of the 2003 musical merging simping Boq the Munchkin with Nick Chopper, the OG Tin Man & outright supplanting Nick Chopper's tragic love story [1] with the _Wicked_ musical's soap opera nonsense that has Boq simping for Galinda, who immediately fobs him off to Elphie's crippled/disabled sister Nessa, simply because Galinda is ONLY in love with FIyero AND Elphie but NOBODY ELSE, not even the boring dullard Sir Chuffrey she initially settles on marrying due to the status quo expecting it of her UNTIL she finally decides to leave him & finds herself ruling a kingdom where she's tended to, hand & foot, by "a harem of the most beautiful women in all of OZ" [that is, any female who isn't Princess OZma, Dorothy Gale, or any other prominent female OZ character]), meanwhile the final book from the _WICKED_ saga titled "Out of OZ" strongly implies, if not states directly, that a much older Glinda finds herself imprisoned, no doubt due to her compliant servicing of the cruel regime of The Wizard & Madame Morrible.
[1] Nick Chopper's tragic love story as the Tin Woodsman centered around Aimee, the Munchkin maiden whom woodcarver Nick was in love with (and who loved him in return), having to live with an elderly, abusive guardian/evil stepmother. The old hag then gifts Nessa with some sapient Animals (Nessa accepting Animals as hired help rubs revolutionary Animal activist Elphie the wrong way, obviously, but Nessa pays her rebellious sister no mind), so that The Wicked Witch of the East would enchant Nick's axe, so that it would cut up his body while he's trying to build a cottage house for himself & Aimee to live in.
As he continues hacking off body parts due to the cursed placed upon him by Nessa, Nick Chopper becomes the Tin Woodsman & subsequently, loses his feelings for Aimee due to no longer having a heart with which to love her back.
Aimee's cruel guardian/evil stepmother actually wanted Aimee to be repulsed by Nick's transformation into the Tin Woodsman so that Aimee wouldn't be in love with Nick anymore & Aimee would be forced to be remain the old hag's abused daughter/poor servant girl forever.
To play devil's advocate for the supposed Good Witch of the North (in the 1939 MGM film & all _Wicked_ incarnations), Glinda in the _Wicked_ musical does out Oscar Diggs as Elphie's biological father (albeit, post-melting) & pressures him to depart OZ in his repaired hot air balloon out of regretful shame of sending Dorothy & her 3 misfit companions to kill his illegitimate daughter. Soon thereafter, Glinda quickly has Madame Morrible arrested for her summoning the tornado that dropped Dorothy Gale's farmhouse atop Nessa. For her part, the blissfully ignorant farm girl had already used Nessa's enchanted footwear to return home to Kansas by this point.
Contrast this with Gregory Mcguire's far darker 1995 novel, because although The Wizard's shameful departure remains the same, aside from book Elphie actually learning that Oscar Diggs IS her dad shortly before she's legitimately melted FOR REAL, Madame Morrible's actually found dead, with her having being poisoned by an unknown assailant before book Elphie could do her in herself, yet The Wicked Witch of the West is still strangely willing to take the notorious credit for her former mentor's death despite not really being the culprit purely because Madame Morrible used her weather powers to summon the tornado which killed her half-sister Nessa, Madame Morrible was The Emerald City's press secretary who forcibly pushed forward her anti-Animal agenda that was actively causing the sapient Animals to lose their rights, it was Madame Morrible's robotic servant Gromatik of the clockwork Tik-Tok people who was directly responsible for fatally slicing the throat of "token Goat" teacher Dr. Dillamond in the 1995 novel, and Madame Morrible & The Wizard were the ones who essentially parceled off a young Princess OZma over to Elphie & Nessa's distant cousin Mombi [2] to obtain the seat of power left behind within The Emerald City for themselves, henceforth proving Madame Morrible to be the definitive wicked witch of _Wicked_ all along.
[2] Mombi is a distant cousin of Elphie & Nessa's to whom the infant Princess OZma was handed over to by Madame Morrible & The Wizard following the sudden "disappearance" of Princess OZma's parents, who were the ruling monarchy of OZ UNTIL a power vacuum was left behind in their wake & their child Princess OZma was parceled off to Mombi during the royal heiress's formative years, during which Mombi had transfigured Princess OZma into her servant boy Tip. Tip served as Mombi's unknowing slave right UNTIL Tip almost instaneously reverted back to Princess OZma once again upon using Mombi's Powder of Life to free himself (as Tip)/herself (as Princess OZma) from her captor's clutches & subsequently, robbing Mombi of her transfiguration powers, easily rendering Mombi no longer a threat to the peace & prosperity that followed once Princess OZma reclaimed her family's throne as the true ruler of OZ.
However, because Glinda was complicit in the continued wrongdoing for the sake of being "Popular" in either iteration of the _Wicked_ narrative, the returned Princess OZma, soon after reclaiming her family's throne, had the supposed Good Witch of the North imprisoned, despite the fact that G[a]linda Upland wasn't really around at the time that Madame Morrible & The Wizard had covertly handed Princess OZma over to Mombi.
Returning to Glinda's imprisonment, while she was basically awaiting death while jailed, the spirit of Elphie (whom, if you remember, is OFFICIALLY melted in _The Wizard of OZ_ proper, as well as within the pages of Gregory Mcguire's adult novel "Wicked: The Life & Times of The Wicked Witch of the West" written in 1995 [that which begot the 2003 stage musical & the recently released 2024/2025 two-part film adaptation loosely based on the latter]) comes down from the sky to bring her 2nd lover (since both members of the GELPHIE ship are CANONICALLY BISEXUAL for not only the already-married [Fiyero's wife's name is Sifina, although she & the majority of Fiyero's family from her side, excluding the captured Nor [3], ended up getting killed by The Wizard's Gale Force militia as an example of what happens to those who rebel against the powers that be] Vinkus prince of the Arjikie tribe Fiyero -- within "Wicked: The Life & Times of The Wicked Witch of the West", the word Winkie is strictly invented as an enslavement term created by biased OZian news media outlets to further disparage, discredit, defame & dehumanize Elphie, as those purportedly reputable new sources were being paid off by the corrupt regime of Madame Morrible & The Wizard to peddle their ongoing propaganda against Elphaba -- AND EACH OTHER [in the 1995 novel, GELPHIE do have sex in both their dorm room in Shiz University & in the single bedroom they share together during their "One Short Day" to have a meeting with The Wizard]) to the OZian afterlife.
[3] Nor is the only one of Sirfina's children with Fiyero who actually shows some semblance of compassion for both Elphie (who stays at the family's castle in the western Kiamo Ko mountains under the pseudonym of "Auntie Guest") & Fiyeraba's bastard lovechild Liir (he's born near the end of the first "Wicked" book from 1995 & is the star of the first sequel book titled "Son of a Witch", even though all book sequels were released off the back of the runaway, long-term success of the 2003 musical adaptation of the 1995 novel), however Nor ends up captured & imprisoned in the Alcatraz-inspired jail located underground beneath The Emerald City, with book Elphie returning to The Emerald City to haggle with The Wizard in exchange for Nor's freedom.
When The Wizard refuses to set Nor free & admits to book Elphie that he had the rest of her lover's family killed to keep them from speaking out against him, The Wicked Witch of the West adamantly refuses to side with him ever again, even after she angrily discovers that he IS her biological father & that the green vial she kept as a memento of her mother Melena was what made her skin green (although to specifically answer the "Is your [womanhood] green?" question, Gregory Mcguire confirms in his 1995 novel that Elphie's pubes are actually purple during a graphic depiction of her sexual intercourse with Fiyero that leads to the birth of Liir, even if Elphie doesn't remember giving birth to Liir, since she was in a depressive coma upon receiving the news that the Gale Force had killed Fiyero during the time that she would've likely given birth to her & Fiyero's illegitimate offspring).
Comparatively, in the 2003 musical (and within the film adaptation, in all likelihood), Elphie never finds out her true parentage (as in, she never finds out that Oscar Diggs aka The Wizard IS her biological father) & Liir remains conspicuously absent (Likely because adding him in would further overcomplicate the simplified story beats a bit, particularly since Fiyero becomes the Scarecrow in the 2003 musical & the 2nd half of the film adaptation).
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Right. Let's just forget she lit the scarecrow, supposedly her love, on FIRE! What a joke. Elphaba was evil in the original story, but some dufus wanted to rewrite the story to fit his agenda. That should be illegal. Wicked destroyed Frank L. Baum's ORIGINAL story. Disgraceful.
Wow, somebody got their panties in a twist over nothing.
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Wow I haven't seen a "first" since 1999. Is this a retro thing the kids are doing?