Why Wicked PART 2's ENDING Will Be Completely Different to the Musical
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2025
- There are 2 huge clues in the opening scene of Wicked that reveal a huge change to the ending of the musical and will completely change the ending of Wicked Part 2 and setup for Wicked Part 3!
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After two decades as one of the most beloved and enduring musicals on the stage, Wicked makes its long-awaited journey to the big screen as a spectacular, generation-defining cinematic event this holiday season.
Directed by acclaimed filmmaker Jon M. Chu (Crazy Rich Asians, In the Heights), Wicked is the first chapter of a two-part immersive, cultural celebration. Wicked Part Two is scheduled to arrive in theaters on November 26, 2025.
Wicked, the untold story of the witches of Oz, stars Emmy, Grammy and Tony winning powerhouse Cynthia Erivo (Harriet, Broadway’s The Color Purple) as Elphaba, a young woman, misunderstood because of her unusual green skin, who has yet to discover her true power, and Grammy-winning, multi-platinum recording artist and global superstar Ariana Grande as Glinda, a popular young woman, gilded by privilege and ambition, who has yet to discover her true heart.
The two meet as students at Shiz University in the fantastical Land of Oz and forge an unlikely but profound friendship. Following an encounter with The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, their friendship reaches a crossroads, and their lives take very different paths. Glinda's unflinching desire for popularity sees her seduced by power, while Elphaba's determination to remain true to herself, and to those around her, will have unexpected and shocking consequences on her future. Their extraordinary adventures in Oz will ultimately see them fulfill their destinies as Glinda the Good and the Wicked Witch of the West.
The film also stars Oscar® winner Michelle Yeoh as Shiz University’s regal headmistress Madame Morrible; Jonathan Bailey (Bridgerton, Fellow Travelers) as Fiyero, a roguish and carefree prince; Tony nominee Ethan Slater (Broadway’s Spongebob Squarepants, Fosse/Verdon) as Boq, an altruistic Munchkin student; Marissa Bode in her feature-film debut as Nessarose, Elphaba’s favored sister; and pop culture icon Jeff Goldblum as the legendary Wizard of Oz.
The cast of characters includes Pfannee and ShenShen, two conniving compatriots of Glinda played by Emmy nominee Bowen Yang (Saturday Night Live) and Bronwyn James (Harlots); a new character created for the film, Miss Coddle, played by Tony nominee Keala Settle (The Greatest Showman) and four-time Emmy winner Peter Dinklage (Game of Thrones) as the voice of Dr. Dillamond.
Based on the bestselling novel by Gregory Maguire, Wicked is adapted for the screen by the stage production’s book writer Winnie Holzman and by legendary Grammy and Oscar® winning composer and lyricist Stephen Schwartz. The Broadway stage musical is produced by Universal Stage Productions, Marc Platt, the Araca Group, Jon B. Platt and David Stone.
Genre: Musical Event
Cast: Cynthia Erivo, Ariana Grande, Michelle Yeoh, Jeff Goldblum, Jonathan Bailey, Ethan Slater, Marissa Bode, Bowen Yang, Bronwyn James, Keala Settle and Peter Dinklage
Director: Jon M. Chu
Written by: Winnie Holzman
Based on the musical Wicked, music and lyrics by Stephen Schwartz, book by Winnie Holzman, from the novel by Gregory Maguire
Producers: Marc Platt, David Stone
Executive Producers: David Nicksay, Stephen Schwartz, Jared LeBoff
Hope you enjoyed this detail I noticed. Do you think that's Elphaba on the horse?!
Definitely.
Nope. Just wrote my theory in its own thread.
Yeah, I think so. A few comments are suggesting it's Glinda and that she secretly watched Elphaba's death/escape then fled back to the wizard to tell him or something... but I don't think Glinda needs to do this in secret. She can travel around in her bubble openly without anyone questioning it. Elphaba flying around on her broom is the bigger problem.
Possibly.
@@thetraidarpodcast I wrote the Glinda theory. In the musical (if they're going to adapt it as is), Glinda and Elphaba say goodbye to each other and witnesses Elphaba's death while hidden. They obviously don't want any questions to arise as to _why_ Glinda was present at the "murder," so she cannot travel back in her bubble. She's the only character for whom returning to the Emerald City instantly makes sense (if that's the same cloaked rider in the other shot).
I'm confused, this isn't a change to the ending of the musical at all. Fiyero ALWAYS went to the Wizard with Elphaba's broom, we just didn't see that moment on stage. We know it happened though, because it happened in The Wizard of Oz. In my head I always figured Fiyero intentionally guided Dorothy as part of the plan to fake Elphaba's death
That's exactly how I thought of it as well---that Fiyero went along with Dorothy to ensure the plan played out, conspired with Elphaba to have her set him on fire which prompted Dorothy to throw the fateful bucket of water, then accompanied her back to Emerald City with the broom, etc.
@@mithramusic5909 my bf just hit me with a theory that made me go bonkers. He said, what if Fieyro's "brain" in this story that he's trying to get from the Wizard, is like his memory? Like he gets his memory back and then remembers he's supposed to meet Elpheba at this certain place that she's riding off to lol
@@Problematic_Scorpio like, the spell gave him some kind of amnesia? This feels like an amazing "scene cut during post production". Elphaba pacing by herself like "where tf is this guy" and Fiyero literally clueless for a few days.
@mithramusic5909 lllooolll "this bitch is ALWAYS late!" But yeah that's how my bf kinda worded it, that during the spell process he looses it, and once it's returned he's like oh man I gotta go! Lol
Elphaba actually says to Fieyro “I thought you never get her” in the play which implies he didn’t immediately come back to her and did go with Dorothy to the Wizard and that’s why it took him so long to come back to her. I highly doubt they’ll change the ending. They’ve stayed pretty much to the play so far. The only thing I’ve heard is they’ll be a few new songs.
If anything changes about the ending, I think it will be something to make it clear Glinda knows that Elphaba survived. If Eplphaba does come back to Emerald City to confront the Wizard, it will be together with Glinda, and they will jointly force him to leave Oz forever. But Elphaba won't reveal herself to the masses. She will go into exile and Glinda will be the only Ozian who knows. Glinda will go to Munchkinland and reprise No One Mourns the Wicked, maintaining the official story in order to protect Elphaba.
I hope that is what they do
Nope.
Read the book
I don't think that's the case because Ariana didn't seem to play it that way in No One Mourns the Wicked. There was definitely hurt and sadness in her face during that scene, maybe a little bit of guilt as well. At least in that scene, I think Glinda thinks Elphaba is dead. But perhaps, she finds out sometime after that.
@@lois7413the musical/movie is so far removed from the book, it’s not even negotiable anymore
@@ferosha99that’s totally fair but her expressions could also just be sadness at knowing she is never gonna to see her again and hearing people rejoice and sing about her death like that. That could just make you very sad. But I agree I do think she was giving “oooo that’s my dead friend”
I like really like this idea, because it gives Elphaba the chance to confront the Wizard one last time and for him to meet his daughter for the first time after finding out the truth. It's one thing I didn't like about the stage version, that Elphaba just simply leaves Oz after the melting. However, I don't want Elphaba to be the one to defeat the Wizard. Instead, it should be Elphaba together with Glinda as it completes Glinda's character arc of finally finding the courage to stand up to him (and Morrible).
Yess, I'm honestly the same it just ties everything up so perfectly
The wizard left in the balloon..... no showdown
@@ITSANEWDAY-co1tnyep in The Wizard of Oz, 1939, which is the movie Wicked got its inspiration from. I think it would have been more satisfying for Glinda and Elphie to get their showdown, but not every story has a super happy ending. Especially not this one. I didn't read the book but my husband says the Wicked book was depressing. (Luckily, they lightened things up when they wrote the stage show).
there's no way that the second part of the movie is not going to faithfully adapt the plot of the musical, they may add extra stuff from the books but they aren't going to change the main plot points from the Wicked musical.
I am kind of torn on this because the book is a bigger mess than the musical, and there is just too much going on in both that doesn't make a lot of sense.
@@Gee-xb7rt Keep in mind the first film is PG and will probably stay that way for the second so its more marketable, so it can't really get too similar to the book 😬
May still add more than what was in the broadway show, but if they stay completely faithful to the book it'd probably have to rated R 😭
So, I worked on the set of these films. Here is what I can say, this decision was not easy. Every song and musical number from the second half is included and included at the correct part of the story BUT, there are MULTIPLE SONGS added and QUITE a bit of story added to the second half.
Truly, the second half of Wicked (while musically beautiful) doesn’t make sense.
It is physically impossible for Fierro to be there right after she melts and be with Dorthy giving the broom back- SO a decision needed to be made and a NEW STORY will be told.
If as a fan of the Original this will upset you, I strongly suggest that you enter with the expectation of the STORY not being EXACT.
As for the story of the two witches, how everyone becomes who they become- that doesn’t change.
There is one other issue.
The young woman who plays Nessa can’t walk- so decisions had to be made on that front as well. Two versions of that story were shot- I’m still not sure which one they went with. We shall see.
@@joshuacoldwaterThank you for commenting on this! I'd wondered about many of these points, particularly Marissa Bode and the fact that she'd be unable to walk. I personally think _Wicked's_ greatest flaw was them choosing to re-write it for a happy ending. That's one plot point they should have never changed from how Baum wrote it.
@@joshuacoldwater Nice, excited to see how it turns out!
Wasn't expecting it to be a carbon copy of the broadway show but I have a feeling that Universal probably won't let it be exactly like the book either due to all of the explicit scenes 😬 (especially now that a huge chunk of the audience is Ariana Grande's young fanbase. Can't let the 9 year olds see the tiger orgy or all the gore, they'd be bombarded by very angry parents 💀)
Considering how passionate Ariana and Cynthia were about keeping the movie true to the on stage version, they won’t change a THING
The director has already made small changes here and there and already promised to be surprising in the sequel so...
I've heard at least 2 things will be changed, and there are 2 new songs added
@jonnaking3054 it's crazy how people all of a sudden are going crazy about this Abigail girl it doesn't make a difference because it's not her movie and I hope they don't bring her in on the project if they're going to try to make it be about her and just completely mess up the story it's a lot of stans that are so obsessed they'd rather just see her take over the movie and ruin it for everyone else
Um, that's Toto sitting in front of the tin man, not Elpheba's broom. He's holding the axe in one hand and his other hand is empty. I COULD see editors cutting it out if they wanted to go that way, but I don't think they are. That's the scene where Dorothy ask to go home and the Wizard is like do this for me first. So when we see them walking back, that's already after Elpheba is "dead". She is riding off to meet up with Fieyro, cause he's not going to ditch the group on the track back to Oz like "hey BTW I gotta go do something else" remember he still wants his brain. So he'll probably go meet up with Elpheba after that, once the Wizard is long gone and MM is locked up. Honestly probably while Galinda is singing No One Mourns the Wicked is when he's heading over there.
@michaelisennock8391 Yee it's not in any trailer, but funnily enough he says that line in part one (I've seen it already so many times 😅) It's right after he calls in he guards. So like, what are they REALLY hiding in the trailer
@@Problematic_Scorpio dun dun dunnnnnnnnn
The MAN (not Elphaba) on horseback wearing the cape is Elphaba & Fiyero's son Liir Thropp who, according to the 2nd Wicked novel Son of a Witch, grew up in their castle, Kiamo Ko, and when Elphaba "died" (not knowing that she left with Fiyero), Liir took up her cause and left on a horse with Elphaba's cape and went to Emerald City to lead an Animal revolt. I highly suspect that was an easter egg to prepare for the rumored WICKED sequel that will follow Wicked Part II as referenced in this video. :)
@ I don’t think they’ll take that far of a stretch and include their son because it will be a little off tract to what’s happening yes it’s cannon in the books but then that would just add on to more lore of the second movie and I don’t think they would make a third one just to also explain their son and everything else. But it’s a good theory
@@WayBackWhenWeyou're reaching so far that you're mister fantastic 🙄 you do realize that this is part two of the movie? Not a whole separate movie aka Wicked 2. You're completely forgetting there is a whole second half to this movie that hadn't even been showen yet. Cause if you're so sure on this theory, then explain to all of us here how Elpheba can have popped out a son, let him grown large enough to ride a horse on his own, DIED and his daddy is still a damn scarecrow. That would mean the end of Wicked and Wizard of Oz is YEARS long.
The hooded figure is likely Glinda. She has a scene in the show where she confronts Morrible and Oz. It would be too conspicuous (and she knows how her image could be damaged) if she left the castle via bubble. Likely Elphie implores her to take Fiyero’s horse and get away quickly, even giving her the same cloak Glinda gives her in act 1. She’s on the way back to the city to do the confrontation with the evil duo and kick them out of Oz.
Also in the show, Fiyero returns back to the castle and says “it worked!” before revealing the secret. Likely this “it worked” moment won’t happen at the castle this time and could be changed but storyline-wise, all these events could play out fine and in order.
Did you notice during the song “ The Wizard and I”
Elphaba see a vision when looking at the wizards statue. It looks like the scare crow or the munchkins ?
I think they’re just trying to fix the fact that Fiyero (Scarecrow) doesn’t have a brain. I think Elphaba will arrive in OZ to watch the Wizard’s departure, see Dorothy leave, say goodbye to Glinda one last time (with the “For Good” reprise), and then leave with Fiyero (who now has a brain and can remember Elphaba) out into the desert area beyond Oz (which they alluded to multiple times in the movie-at the end of “Wizard and I” and on the Wizard’s Oz model)
Oh so you think Fiyero gets amnesia after he loses his brain? That could work.
The wizard doesn’t give him a brain, though.
I took it as he always did have one but either was enchanted to forget it or assumed it wasn’t a trait they had. The Lion, Tin Man, and Scarecrow all shown the traits they “didn’t have”
I think that could happen because the trailer she goes that way and maybe now Glinda knows now that she is alive
It could be Glinda as well as she was secretly at Kiama Ko checking on Elphaba and not there officially. So could be her sneaking out of the castle and getting away back to the Emerald City under disguise so that no one knows she was there.
Well done! My idea exactly.
I said this and everyone called me an idiot, that Glinda came and went to Kiamo Ko by bubble and that it was Elphaba on the horse. Time will tell.
Pssst... spoiler... The MAN (not Elphaba or Glinda) on horseback wearing the cape is Elphaba & Fiyero's son Liir Thropp who - according to the 2nd Wicked novel Son of a Witch - grew up in their castle, Kiamo Ko, and when Elphaba "died" (not knowing that she left with Fiyero), Liir took up her cause and left on a horse with Elphaba's cape and went to Emerald City to lead an Animal revolt. I highly suspect that scene was an easter egg to prepare for the rumored WICKED sequel that will follow Wicked Part II as referenced in this video. :)
I always thought Fiyero/Scarecrow talked Dorothy into getting him down off the pole so he could join her on her journey to get back to Elphaba, He likely knew the Wizard would instruct them kill the witch, and that's when he sent her the note to let her know he was on his way. So just keep the plan going, I thought he accompanied Dorothy back to Emerald City and was planning on going back to the Elphaba later. I'm thinking he explained all that to Elphaba in the note he sent her
I do wonder through the make artist who workds at wicked said that Fiyero and Elphaba has a love scene while he was a scarecrow and their was an interview from Bowen Yang who play one of glinda friend's said interview that the scarecrow and the Tim man help Elphaba excaped to fake her death.
Elphaba does a magic trick to melt like her father Biggs with his cheap magic tricks.
Fiyero’s horse will take Elphaba to the Emerald City after Dorthy and the gang leave her castle, melting her with the water.
The wizard will leave and that is when Glinda reveals that Elphaba is his daughter. Fiyero and Glinda will have them, the Wizard and Marvel arrested for their misdeeds. Glinda will reconcile with Fiyero but he will still decline her and she will accept that his heart will only for Elphaba. Fiyero will leave the Emerald city with Elphaba’s broom stick as a “keep sake” and meet Elphaba secretly to ride off into the sunset so no one will ever know the wicked witch of the west is still alive.
Got it.. (my thoughts)
I feel like Elphaba is going to have a final confrontation with the Wizard at the end and maybe attack him in the sky as he leaves in the balloon
I wonder how Elphaba will confront the wizard if he escaped already? Remember that he promised Dorothy he would help her get home and they try to leave in the air balloon in the original version. Dorothy gets left behind because of the Toto thing. I do wonder if they will still incorporate the air balloon because it appears that it was destroyed when Elphaba and Galinda initially try to escape before ‘Defying Gravity’. It is clear that the Wizard does get away somehow though because after ‘No One Mourns the Wicked’ Galinda mentions something about the wizard having an “unexpected departure” before leaving in her bubble…
Maybe Elphie will fly up and puncture the Wizard's balloon.
They say that part two takes place 4 years later. He could very easily have created a new balloon in that time.
3:59 if I’m right that’s Dorothy’s dog
I think you are correct.
You are! I just went on a whole tangent about it 😂😂😂😅
Toto
Yea that ain’t the broom that’s just Toto lol
You are right, and this video is stupid
Im just so emotionally moved to see that there are other Wicked fans nerding out over the small details and easter eggs. Reading all of your ideas and speculations reminds me that im not alone in Gregory Maguire's land of Oz (no one in my personal life knows the Wicked books or musical, or they just dont have an interest or care about it). Thanks for sharing. This truly made my day "wonderful." Cant wait for Part 2 next year.
I remember all this happening back in 2003 when the play deputed. Happy to see it all happening a second time
Maybe you got it wrong on purpose for engagement. But that’s not the broom. That’s Toto. Therefore that IS the first meeting with the Wizard. They visit him twice.
I can't believe Elphaba is destined to die, if the hints are truly legit. After seeing what she had to go through, she doesn't deserve it
Well that’s kind of how the story of The Wizard of Oz goes.
@@Mike-0201Yes The Wizard of Oz, not Wicked.
She's still wicked, and it's fitting if she dies how she's suppose to. No one mourns the wicked!
It’s because the last part of “Wicked 2” will take us back to the events of ‘The wizard of OZ’ with Alisha Weir playing the role of Dorothy and that’s a huge difference from the musical.
Can’t wait for part 2! Thanks for explaining for people who haven’t seen the play 💚
I feel like the part with Elphaba making Nessa walk is too important to leave out. I see why they wouldn't want to, but they could just use a stunt double for that part. Either way, in Wizard Of Oz, Dorothy's house drops on Nessarose as she's flying. She doesn't need to be able to walk in order to fly.
Hm, love all the speculation. It's fun. But I think there's a big mistake in this video (and one or two other little ones...). The VO suggests that in the musical, Glinda doesn't know Elphaba is still alive and thinks she's dead. That's not the case at all, right? Unless I've grossly misunderstood the musical ALL these years, Glinda knows exactly what's going on.
The three of them conspire together to pull off this plan. They need Glinda to help make it work. It's basically the whole reason they sing For Good - because they both know they can't ever see each other again after this. Glinda's not singing that song thinking Elphaba is about to die.
Then when we circle back round to No One Mourns the Wicked, we realise Glinda is keeping this huge secret and is fooling all of the Oz citizens. That's the sad pain of the song (and of For Good). She can't publicly mourn the loss of her bestie - not mourning because of literal death, but mourning because she can't have any contact with her again.
I remember Elphaba saying she needs to tell Glinda, but Fiyero said that they couldn't tell, or else the plan woulnd't work
@@MatheusVS123 Hm, maybe I'm completely wrong. I thought Fiyero just meant you can't have any contact with her; you need to completely stay away because the threat of anyone finding out you two spoke/that you're alive is too dangerous.
Moreover, why would Glinda believe that a bucket of water had melted Elphaba? She knows this is just a silly rumour people made up (they even reference it in the song Thank Goodness).
Glinda doesn't know she's still alive. She thinks Elphaba is dead, hence the performance /irony of No One Mourns the Wicked. Glinda IS mourning the wicked.
@@alyssae7517 🥲So how does Glinda think Elphaba died??
It’s in the play, Elphaba says she wants to tell Glinda and Fiyero says that they can’t tell her and have to leave Oz, I think Glinda could have some idea that something was going on but not to the extent you’re stating. She probably was just confused as to how Elphaba died by water being poured on her, but she’ll never fully know what happened to Elphaba.
I have a theory. Dorothy Gale IS Nessarose. That's why she's wearing the silver shoes. Glinda doesn't put them on her . . . . she was always wearing them! After all, Dorothy does enter Oz at the same moment Nessarose "dies".
Very interesting…
WHEN THEY SEE THE WIZARD DOROTHY IS WEARING THE SPARKLY SHOES WHICH ARE THE ONES NESSA GOT FROM HER DAD
Given that Stephen Schwartz is executive producer of the movies, he isnt going to do anything that majorly alters or takes away from his own musical.
I was just speaking to my mother about the Show and how no one gives away this little secret ending. I have seen the show eight times and spoken to hundreds of people about it over the years and NOT ONE person mentioned this part of the show. Again, NOT ONE. I don’t know you, but just decided to watch your video. This is a special treat for first timers. 😢😮😢😮😢
Now I almost want all to not share the spoiler!
I never watched the play but have been reading about it since I watched the movie yesterday and hadn't come to that twist ending yet till this video!
I get your sentiment but if anyone wanted to avoid spoilers they wouldn’t have clicked on this video. The title literally says they’ll be talking about the ending.
Okay, Imma calling it now. Side series spinoff: Crazy Rich Munchkins. Or have it take place in the north to explore the highlands of Gillikan territory. That's right. Gillikin's Highland. (Props to Roy Thomas for that one)
Even Dorothy called him out on it. She said you're a really bad man.
In Wizard of Oz, I always thought the Wizard was a bit of a fraud but still a good hearted man who wanted to help as he could, but in Wicked he's a down right villain lol
If they truly do something different with the ending, I would like to see Elphaba find out that the Wizard is her biological father
I wonder whether Elphaba will attempt to “cure” her sister’s disability as I believe happens in the book and possibly the show (been a while since I’ve seen it) - but “curing a disability” wouldn’t go down well with the theme of acceptance seen in the first film. But then how will she get crushed by the house. Interesting!
Marissa Bode has already said that Nessarose will not walk in Part 2. I’m guessing something new like Elphaba gives her her own magic levitating broom or something
I think that whole think is silly IMO.... I think MOST people in a wheelchair would CHOOSE to walk if magic were REAL and they had that option..... I don't know HOW they will pull it off since the actress really is in a wheel chair. But to think that it's wrong for someone who can't walk to WANT TO be ABLE to walk is silly
I don’t buy it. The wizard’s guilt over Elphaba’s death is why he leaves Oz in the first place.
Didn't he send Dorothy to kill the witch in the original?
@ yeah, but in Wicked that’s before he learns that she’s his daughter.
@@rogvortex58In the Maguire book, Elphaba learns from the time dragon clock that the Wizard is really her father. In the musical she never discovers that fact.
@@lisar915r9 well, the movie is clearly following the musical. In the musical the wizard feels guilty over Elphaba’s death when he discovers she was his daughter and he leaves Oz at Glinda’s behest.
Omg people don't forget the Wizard of Oz was not made as a sequel to Wicked. Wicked is a `hypothetical` prequel... that's what makes it so fun & magical. Its wonderful how they tied it all together but its not meant to be an exact setup for the Wizard of Oz. These people doing youtube videos are not even Wizard of Oz fans or Broadway fans.....grrrrrr!!
Well, it's kinda of a prequel but also a wrap around as the Wizard of Oz takes place inside all of Wicked.
@@Chuckers611 it’s basically fanfiction it’s not Canon so it doesn’t have to exactly connect to the Wizard of Oz
I do want her to survive this movie. Thanks for this breakdown
Absolutely not
She always survived my brother watch the musical.
The ending will prob go like this. Dorothy and the rest on the road is AFTER she is melted. The one on the horse is believed to be Glinda on her way to the Wizard since it is Feriros talking horse and would know who Glinda is so no one will know who is really traveling on the horse since Glindas bubble would be too well known. Then it will catch up to the musical to where Glinda tells the story of the green bottle . Then Madam Morble is arrested Then Oz goes and gets ready for his balloon. Dorothy with the balloon and Glinda would come in and do her thing like in the orig movie and send Dorothy with the shoes. Then once the balloon and Dorothy is gone then Scarecrow would prob go to another room and that's where the trap door is and Elphaba would come out and then the musical ending would happen.
Elphaba is not going to be trusted But I want to see what happens to her to the wizard and the rest woo
In the books it specifically says there are no horses in OZ except one.. a saw horse that was spelled to life by a witch called Monby
The MGM movie changed that with the Horse of a Different Color in the Emerald City.
She never got killed with water Glenda saved her really once Dorothy was gone . She doesn’t die part 2
Don’t forget..the wizard has unexpectedly departed Oz…
Wait, it appears that Glenda has no powers, in the beginning of the movie, when Glenda arrives in the bubble, she has to step on a button, in floor of the carriage, to make the bubble,
That's toto in that group photo. That was actually the first time they meet the wizard. Just a minor correction. I actually got a lil sneak peak of part two (no spoilers) but let just say part one was the sundae part two is the whip cream sprinkles hot fudge and cherry on top 😊😊😊
Sneak peak of the second movie!?
Yup...I can't disclose too much but noone and I mean noone will be disappointed in the second part they added ALOT to the story.
@@VerdaleStinsonBOWTIE that's awesome!! I'm SO excited!! I trust it'll be good, part 1 was incredible
I think it's much better for Universal to adapt the OG Oz sequel books written by Mr.Baum rather than the sequel books by Maguire because the OG Oz novels really expanded the world and lore of Oz while Maguire's sequel novels just focused mainly on the Elphaba character and a bit of her legacy. Additionally the Baum sequels have more family tone that will defenitely more suitable for a larger PG13 audiences while the Maguire sequels went more on a matured themes beyond the first book. It will also benefit Universal if they want to create a long running franchise based on the Oz IP.
Why not both?
Maguire’s novels have “mature” themes from the opening chapters!
It's difficult to even keep count of all the attempts studios have made to launch an Oz series. A large reason for that is because the 1939 film, while so ingrained in pop culture, is a fairly loose adaptation and its most iconic elements have been kept under lock and key. The _Wicked_ films are the first time in eighty-four years that an Oz film has been made with the full partnership of the current IP owner. _Return to Oz_ paid an exorbitant fee for less than two minutes of screentime for the Ruby Slippers. Many films have had to pay a copyright advisor/expert that would ensure Mila Kunis's makeup in _Oz the Great and Powerful_ wasn't within a specific number of shades of Margaret Hamilton's. The MGM film's intellectual property will enter the public domain in 2035 (something I'm sure the team behind _Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey_ are well aware of) and I guarantee there will be a massive amount of Oz interest.
Everyone loves _The Wizard of Oz._ If they don't, their parents deprived them of a childhood. But it's for that very reason it's been really difficult to do much new with it. The closest we've seen to faithful Baum adaptations was _Return to Oz,_ and it traumatized a generation.
@@ArgoBargo Because the sequel novels beyond the initial story was very different from both OG Oz Novels and the Maguire Wicked novels. In the Wicked novels the second book was about Elphaba's son while the second book from the OG Oz Novels introduces us to a new main character named Tip who will have a larger role in the next books of the OG Oz novels.
@@giggles7179wow that’s very interesting to know!
I hope Liir appears! The events following after the events of the Kiamo Ko castle is more described in the 2nd book, and maybe they will include some elements from the book ending
I wouldn’t even notice how many changes that they make for themselves whatever it will be I will probably will fall in love with it because I actually did see the musical for after for like 10 to 11 years since I saw it and I thought it was amazingly beautiful and really good and I also did watch the movie version as well before I saw the musical
SPOILER ALERT! If they're intent on keeping the "happy ending," I want a post-credits scene, years later: Glinda learns Elphaba faked her death only after waking to find they're both disembodied heads locked in a hallway full of glass cabinets with a mandolin playing in the background. Both scream. The end! HA! LIKE if you understand the reference. (Though this would be amazing, it is written in jest).
I see what you did there and I approve.
They will change the ending but not by Elphaba leaving without Fiyero. You know they are going to plan a climatic meeting where El shows up and confronts the Wizard.
Pssst... spoiler... The MAN (not Elphaba or Glinda) on horseback wearing the cape is Elphaba & Fiyero's son Liir Thropp who - according to the 2nd Wicked novel Son of a Witch - grew up in their castle, Kiamo Ko, and when Elphaba "died" (not knowing that she left with Fiyero), Liir took up her cause and left on a horse with Elphaba's cape and went to Emerald City to lead an Animal revolt. I highly suspect that scene was an easter egg to prepare for the rumored WICKED sequel that will follow Wicked Part II as referenced in this video. :)
@@WayBackWhenWe I highly doubt this. Introducing new major characters in part 2 from the Baum books seems super risky as it will make the plot too busy. If it happens, maybe Cho can pull it off because he's a genius and I am here for it, but I feel like this is overthinking the filmmaker's process. That being said, I could totally see them doing this in any spin-offs.
SO the ONLY thing I would nitpick is I don't think that's Elphaba's broom in front of Tin Man's foot (plus it doesn't SEEM like he's holding anything based on this stance and arms), rather - it seems that might be TOTO in front of his foot. 🙂 So that bit COULD take place before they meet the witch, since Dorothy carries in the broom and lays it on the ground when they come back. The only detail the filmmakers missed (and maybe purposely, given the slight alterations to plot) is that the witch's broom is supposed to be burnt (in that, the bristles at the end are intact when we see the glimpse of Dorothy and gang walking down the road in the opening but in the Wizard of Oz, she burned the end setting fire to scarecrow, and the bristles were burnt off when Dorothy laid it at the Wizard's feet... err, head? face? LOL).
The original movie and musical are different so I put any merit into that. And while they may present things different and this movie version of the musical, I don’t think they would go off script that much as to not let them be together.
For even just pure marketing reasons, I don't think they would abandon the idea of Fiyero and Elphaba ending up together. The audience will accept a lot of tragedy but not that!
This breakdown was amazing. One question- When did Schwartz say he has ideas for sequels based on the L. Frank Baum book? I haven't heard that anywhere else. Please let that happen!
is anyone super excited to find out who is playing dorothy
Personally, I don't want to see her face, the way they very carefully kept us from seeing her in the musical, both in Munchkinland and when she liquidated Elphaba. As the author explained, "The Wizard of Oz" was the story from Dorothy's childish point of view, while "Wicked" was the story 'of what actually happened'. ;) Which is why the tagline for WICKED is "So Much Happened before Dorothy Dropped In". If they make the story about Dorothy at all, it is no longer WICKED.
@@WayBackWhenWe I feel 2 possibilities: 1. Dorothy will be very bratty and entitled IF they delve into her story at all, or 2. Elphaba will reveal to Dorothy her entire story and the TRUTH about what is happening, and will make a pact with Dorothy to throw the water on her so she can fake her death, and Dorothy will be the ONLY one who knows Elphaba is still alive
I have not seen the Broadway show, and I watched Wicked, but I caught what you were saying. It was odd to me.
I feel like it’s going to have more stuff from the book a well
Wow this is the smartest theory on what will happen in Part 2 I've seen. 👏👏👏
no....just no
6:20 would be cool if they also do the sequel books then (Son of a Witch/A Lion among Men/Out of Oz), but then they first have to write songs for these books...or they do it without songs, but the songs are one of the things I like the most about Wicked...so that would be pretty sad 😅
i’ve been saying this from the beginning but i hope that if they change anything abt the ending, they don’t do the fakeout death scene and the water actually kills elphaba like in the book, or elphaba still dies somehow anyway. i know it’s not faithful to the musical but i feel like it would emphasize that this story is a tragedy. like an actual consequence for the audience. as iconic as the musical ending is i feel like it’s just a little too convoluted? idk i think it would make the story and the genuine consequences would make the lesson so much more impactful.
I have loved wicked since I was little - on that note, I would love for the movie to end differently than it ended in the book, and even the show. I want Elphaba to return to Oz
I really hope theirs a showdown against Elphaba and Glinda even if its a small one. Something that shows glinda and elphabas fall out.
hm... i don't think they will add a final showdown between Elphaba and the Wizard. that's Glinda's role. the implications of such a change are too big, including diminishing the impact of For Good. the idea of Dorothy actually being in the know and helping Elphaba take down the Wizard also feels... convoluted.
I'm a little concerned about part 2 introducing new characters and seeming too busy with plot devices. That being said, I'm sure that Cho and company have figured out the best way to present the story.
I think that the Scarecrow walking the Yellow Brick Road with Dorothy and the others to deliver the broom IS something that happens in the play too, but he just goes back to Elphaba AFTER Dorothy and Toto go back home to Kansas. The only real timeline discrepancy that happens in the Wicked musical and Wizard of Oz sequence of events is "The March of the Witchhunters" (since it has un-rusted Tin Woodsman and the Cowardly Lion being assembled at the same place BEFORE Fiyero becomes the Scarecrow and meets Dorothy. Were this timeline accurate it could only happen after Fiyero was the Scarecrow)
BUT who know? I wasn't really a huge fan of the ending to the stage musical so I'd be interested to see them change it if they do it better. For one thing I'd like to see that the Animals are given their rights back, making it Glinda's responsibility to rectify the issue seemed precarious at best given Glinda was fickle about their plight literally the entire play. It is an element I'm 99% sure they'll use the time for given they used the runtime in part one to flesh out the Oz world and add more Animals like Dulcybear and the other former faculty members. I also kind of hate that Elphaba leaves Oz meaning she sort of leaves the Animals to possibly be further persecuted.
I actually kind of wish that the ending would have it be shown that Glinda did tell the munchkins that Elphaba was a honorable person given the entire framing device of the film was about Glinda telling the story of what really happened. That and I kind of want a more definitive answer to where Elphaba and Fiyero will go if not Oz. That and, I know it changes the melancholy of No One Mourns the Wicked and For Good, but it would be kind of heartwarming to have a hint of hope that Glinda and Elphaba would someday reunite. I wouldn't get my hopes up on that even though it's what I wish would happen cause they are adhering to the stage musical and probably aren't able to deviate too much from the play. It's just that the movie has so much more time to make this Act Two better and I hope it will.
I think they should end it with her re materializing out of the puddle (real magic) vs the trapdoor...
i am curious about madame morible's backstory and if she was conceived from a human and ozian since she has magic or is there something else. if anything I would want to see if they would make a movie adaptation of the mcguire books someday
They won’t change it
A part 3!? Yessss!
If Glinda in the end find out that Elphaba is alive and they will meet again someday
I l be relished
I'm thinking that the Wizard will be confronted but will still have to carry Dorothy to Kansas on his hot air balloon. Perhaps he will be told to leave by the balloon and to also take Dororthy back home. I believe Glenda will definitely continue the disguise of Elphaba and return to Munchkin Land to where Part 1 began. Elphaba will be free to go with Feyero to his home and live happily ever after until they make another movie.
I don't think the Tin Man is holding the broom, I think what we're seeing is Toto... But I do feel like this is after they met with Elphie.
It's possible if they are bringing in more from the books the rider could be Liir. Part 1 was excellent, can't wait to see how they pull off Part 2!
I doubt they'll try to mesh the book with the musical, they are just too different. I think it'd be amazing if they made a movie just based on the book someday
I’m so looking forward to Part Two ❤
I hope they take some more from the book and put in liiir who is elphaba and fiyero's son and take inspiration from the son of a witch and look more into the troll king. The musical did it great with glinda sending away the wizard and morrible to build on a new evil the troll king
WAIT!
spoiler... The MAN (not Elphaba or Glinda) on horseback wearing the cape is Elphaba & Fiyero's son Liir Thropp who - according to the 2nd Wicked novel Son of a Witch - grew up in their castle, Kiamo Ko, and when Elphaba "died" (not knowing that she left with Fiyero), Liir lef
t the castle and took up her cause and acquired her broom and cape and went to Emerald City to lead an Animal revolt. I highly suspect that scene was an easter egg to prepare for the rumored WICKED sequel that will follow Wicked Part II as referenced in this video. :)
El an F have a son together in the novel
You nailed it. Liir Thropp. That's whose on the horse wearing his mother's cape heading to the Emerald City to lead an Animal revolt. I highly suspect that the cameo scene was an easter egg to prepare for the rumored WICKED sequel that will follow Wicked Part II as referenced in this video. :)
Elphaba has to ride back to the emails city to get Fiyero because he walked back with Dorothy
Very interesting take based on your close observations. But I doubt they’ll make any huge changes to the ending.
I've never quite squared away the ending of Wicked and the Wizard of Oz.
Interesting ideas
I always wondered how she bathed herself ?
I vaguely remember the book describing how she used oils to bathe herself, but it's been years since I read it so maybe someone else can chime in if I'm remembering it incorrectly.
@@paulwhittemore4309that’s correct. She’d wash herself with oils instead of water.
Hmm. Wet wipes?
@@paulwhittemore4309 Yes Oils and I think it said she took milk bathes
at 3:58 I think that's Toto, not the broom.
You're forgetting Dorothy and Co are head of the horse rider. Fiyero must be hooking up with Elphaba later or she leaving to planning her pregnancy long after Dorothy is sent home. Timeline will be interesting.
Pssst... spoiler... The MAN (not Elphaba or Glinda) on horseback wearing the cape is Elphaba & Fiyero's son Liir Thropp who - according to the 2nd Wicked novel Son of a Witch - grew up in their castle, Kiamo Ko, and when Elphaba "died" (not knowing that she left with Fiyero), Liir took up her cause and left on a horse with Elphaba's cape and went to Emerald City to lead an Animal revolt. I highly suspect that scene was an easter egg to prepare for the rumored WICKED sequel that will follow Wicked Part II as referenced in this video. :)
That's how I've always seen it, Fiyero/Scarecrow returns with Dorothy to the Emerald City then once Dorothy leaves he goes back for Elphaba. I think he cared something about Dorothy and the others and didn't wanna just ditch them
Did you NOT READ WICKED ?
I dont think any of these video creators did (Nor most of the people watching the movie)....oh well [sigh]
Well the movies are based off of the musical not the books 📚 so it would be more like the musical than books
I have no idea how the first part is longer then the show itself including iterlude second part will be 2 hours or even longer and i thought for a secone ariana were lip sync at the beginning bwcause she sound exactly like the original is doesn't make much sense
I can't believe you revealed the ending to the musical. Why would you do that? At the very least, you should warn spoilers in your title.
I really hope this isn't true and they destroy Wicked as a musical. It was always a theatre goers thing but now it's gone out to the masses. As usual the thirst for money ruins everything.
I wondering when someone was going to say something about the rider in the trailers and the beginning of the Wicked part 1 film.
Pssst... spoiler... The MAN (not Elphaba or Glinda) on horseback wearing the cape is Elphaba & Fiyero's son Liir Thropp who - according to the 2nd Wicked novel Son of a Witch - grew up in their castle, Kiamo Ko, and when Elphaba "died" (not knowing that she left with Fiyero), Liir took up her cause and left on a horse with Elphaba's cape and went to Emerald City to lead an Animal revolt. I highly suspect that scene was an easter egg to prepare for the rumored WICKED sequel that will follow Wicked Part II as referenced in this video. :)
I’m ok w a showdown at the end.
there will be no sequel after wicked part two!!
Okay, whatever.
It wouldn't be entirely unprecedented. There is Love Never Dies (AKA Love Should've Died). I know not the best example cause ... that musical was a bad fanfic abomination, but at least with Wicked I suppose they have the Maguire novels and Baum Oz Canon to work with. It honestly seems difficult to picture a Wicked sequel and what would happen in it, but again... you never know.
That's not her Broom, that's toto
Justice for Elphaba!!!!
This was really smart.
I know the original ending in the novel is rather daunting and depressing 😕
Omg I have never clicked so fast!!!! 😂
LOL, hope you like the idea in the video!
So maybe he was the scarecrow all along. There was no other scarecrow.
Yes, there was... in fact, in the second book SON OF WITCH "our Scarecrow" (Fiyero) is NOT the scarecrow that gets crowned, it's a fraud. Although Gregory Maguire had no idea that the musical would change the end of WICKED to have the scarecrow be Fiyero who leaves with Elphaba, his story of the fraud strawman in the second novel actually made the story of Fiyero work! :) And - spoiler - the dude in the cape on horseback is Fiyero & Elphaba's son Liir Thropp who grew up in their castle (Kiamo Ko, where Elphaba was 'liquidated' by Dorothy) who finds his mother's cape and broom and leads an Animal rebellion against the Emerald City.
In the GM book, fiero is not the scarecrow. Maybe they will play off that.
Woah really? What happens to him?
@ well, similar to the show but Elphaba doesn’t save him. She thinks he dies and the book doesn’t tell you. He has a son, Liir which may or may not be Elphabas… from their secret affair in the emerald city. The book is great. Worth a read.
@@missinglink_eth I wonder if they will use Lir if they plan a sequel since Elphaba and Fiyero didn't 'get together' until 'As Long as You're Mine' in the play and Lir is created there since well Fiyero is turned into a scarecrow after.
@@GemGames3 it would be an interesting twist. I’ve heard others say it’s more likely they would turn to the other Frank L Baum books.
@@GemGames3 Ah is it canon that the Scarecrow doesn't have a d*ck? That's really quite terrible.
Yeah galinda or shall I say glinda is retelling the story
I thought the Ethan Slater character was the scarecrow…🤔
He's the Tin Woodsman.
I really can't believe 😒that there are two parts of Wicked movies instead of doing whole thing and I'm very annoyed that we will have to wait for next year November released of the second part of Wicked to come out so we can see the rest o the version.
it’s how they did it on broadway, in separate acts. it’s too long to do all at once. i mean sh*t this one was 3 hours long.
The split NEEDED to happen
@@mithramusic5909 exactlyyyy it would be like 7 hours if not first of all, and too much to take in at once.
trust me, I've seen the musical multiple times and this needed to be split into two if they had tried to stuff everything into one movie it would have been too crammed in. if you want to see the musical version now you can watch it online.
@ see i’ve read the books but never been lucky to actually go see it. what website is it on? which cast is it ?
Wicked: For Good
What if it was the wizzard
I could see them pull off a little different twist on the ending (this comment will obviously be spoiler heavy).
If you think about the stage show ending as a classic con movie reveal, consider which character would make the most sense to be involved in that kind of con? How about the guy we know has been conning Oz right along? The guy who is shown doing classic stage magic of the kind you could use to pull off a fake melting: the wizard himself. One of part one's big additions was the posters showing him to be exactly that. What if it wasn't just about fleshing out the character, but to set up the ending where Elphaba gets her "I want" song completely literally: she can indeed "still be with the wizard," and can make her exit of Oz via balloon.
This would preserve the classic movie ending where the bumbling wizard leaves Dorothy behind, despite obviously (from our perspective having seen Wicked Part One) having to have the technical capability to repair/replace the balloon that was damaged/destroyed in defying gravity. It could also be something of a rescue if perhaps the wizard is revealed to be a (still complicit) victim/prisoner rather than the chief antagonist after all. He "[doesn't] have any real power," after all. What if that isn't only true magically?
Galinda being the figure on the horse makes sense as this twist works best with her involvement. She would certainly be the one with the opportunity to learn that she wasn't the only reluctant figure head in the emerald city; or maybe the classic paternity reveal could be how she brings him over to team Elphaba?
Finally, Galinda and Elphaba being part of a con together would explain how the girl with no particular magical talent could be the one to help Dorothy use those magic shoes to, you know, do magic.
Wow. 👏🏽💚👏🏽💚👏🏽💚
I would guess only fiyero knows
It makes sense.
Ugh! They’d better not drag it out into 3 parts! 😡