Peugeot Expert New Eolys Tank Won't Work? P1434 U1F3C No Communication B1811

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  • Опубликовано: 29 окт 2024

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  • @EngineEarring
    @EngineEarring 10 месяцев назад +24

    I have the exact same issue on my van, which is the Citroen equivalent of this van.
    Power at the pump is a steady 14v with engine running, this was load tested with a test light and also by connecting the additive pump inside the tank directly to the power line, which causes the pump to operate as expected.
    Ground is good and verified by continuity test and also by test light.
    LIN bus signal present with the correct voltages observed.
    Communication with the new tank is verified by the new serial number of the module being read correctly by the diagnostic machine.
    Spoke to a couple of specialists and they both confirmed that the new tank MUST be programmed by a main dealer with their software, because the vehicle needs a software update to allow the new tank to work.
    Took mine to have the tank programmed in at a main dealer and they successfully carried out the programming which removed the faults in the PADDGO module.
    However, the faults in the BSI module still remained and the dealer showed me a TSB which pointed to the fuel tank or wiring loom being at fault.
    At this point I just programmed out the additive tank to remove the fault lights.
    This was a year ago and I have been running without additive ever since. I can confirm that I have not had any DPF issues since, in fact my DPF is sitting at 2-3mbar at idle and does a regeneration every 800 miles or so.
    The additive does not actually help to clean the DPF, as so many people assume. What it actually does is causes the smaller particulates, which would normally pass through the DPF, to clog together which creates larger particles that can then be caught by the DPF, hence reducing the emission of these tiny particulates. Mine has recently passed an MOT emissions test, so I can say first hand that running without the additive does not mean an MOT fail.
    My DPF reaches the correct temperature and does regenerations at the correct times, keeping the DPF at optimum conditions, and it’s also not collecting all of the additive in the DPF which as we know, eventually leads to the DPF becoming full of additive and requiring replacement.
    Thought this would help anyone out there with the same issues.

    • @TheDajoca
      @TheDajoca 8 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you.
      Really helpfull.
      It's criminal just how complex and prone to failure these modern diesels have become.

    • @imwilki
      @imwilki Месяц назад

      @@TheDajocaYes it is but tbh it seems to be maybe a french car issue, I’ve not heard the same about BMW’s adblue system to be fair. The french adblue/pat tank just seems shoddily made/programmed with multiple causes of failure.

    • @cesargama8226
      @cesargama8226 10 дней назад

      What you saying here about what additive fuel really does about been use for anti pollution priority and not for lower DPF regen temp is very important.
      Can you tell where did you read about?

    • @slobodanstevanovic4024
      @slobodanstevanovic4024 3 дня назад

      👍 Hvala lepo objasnjeno!

  • @KC08RAS
    @KC08RAS 10 месяцев назад +10

    This is the first video ive seen of you not able to fix it properly. Thats for uploading it and keeping it real. When i can't fix stuff i get vexxed 😂 and the broken thing gets more broken with brute force.

    • @MrByootox
      @MrByootox 10 месяцев назад +2

      Man after my own heart 🤣🤣

  • @SB-pr3gk
    @SB-pr3gk 10 месяцев назад +9

    I’ve found this fault on a friend’s work van also…there was a problem on the entire CAN network that was bringing the hi side short to ground…traced it back to part of the loom under the passenger seat rubbing against the body. The network was still partially functioning but would trigger various faults including loss of communication with modules intermittently.

  • @bobr9731
    @bobr9731 10 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks Jimmy for showing it warts and all. Not many would have the guts.
    But the great thing is, its a time for your supports to give back for the tutorials and insights you have given us.

  • @DelticEngine
    @DelticEngine 10 месяцев назад +11

    The only things I can think of at the moment are bad data communication and insufficient current to operate the pump. It's possible to have a voltage present but there still be a resistance in the wiring that causes the voltage to drop when a load is applied.
    If you have a suitable length of spare wire and can identify the positive terminal in the pump connector, then you can try measuring continuity from, say, the battery positive to the pump positive. If there is a relay involved, it could be a bad relay somewhere.
    Aside from this, I notice you didn't check any counters such as mileage to see if any had reached a critical value to artificially stop the system working.

    • @ORileysAutos
      @ORileysAutos  10 месяцев назад +5

      I did the programming of a new tank that resets that

    • @elbuggo
      @elbuggo 10 месяцев назад +8

      RE: bad data communication and insufficient current to operate the pump
      Thats right. That is why you should use test light for checking the power.

  • @mikeberry304
    @mikeberry304 10 месяцев назад +10

    Technology gone wrong , these modern day diesels are a pain in the arse nowadays for us in the job , and of course the owners, i thinkbwe need to join the magic circle and buy a magic wand 🪄 Jimmy 😂, you certainly tried with this one 👍💯

  • @deanmck6612
    @deanmck6612 10 месяцев назад +13

    That’s not a canbus signal that looks like a linbus signal.. also your power and ground tests were not valid, the circuit needs to be loaded when testing for accurate results.. if your 100% confident you don’t have a faulty pump then you need to load test the power and ground wires and get a scope on the lin signal to see what’s going on. If your pump is good you will find your issue at the plug.

  • @APBperformance
    @APBperformance 10 месяцев назад +12

    Always test your powers and grounds loaded ie test light or you could always miss high resistance in a wire

    • @larrysimon1
      @larrysimon1 10 месяцев назад

      I use a Loadpro its saved my bacon many times ...............So right what you said.

    • @ORileysAutos
      @ORileysAutos  10 месяцев назад +5

      Just working with what I had to hand in the van. I rarely get involved in electrical issues so don't have a great deal of tools or experience in this area

    • @larrysimon1
      @larrysimon1 10 месяцев назад

      @@ORileysAutos Loadpro is a cheap DMM attachment that puts an electrical load on the circuit to check if the 12v or 5v is actually getting to the component under test. A flaw with all DMM is that it will show 12v even when the wiring is faulty or the earth is dirty and wont allow a Full 12v electrical load to be carried by the wire/circuit. ruclips.net/video/MdgnUADDH9o/видео.html

    • @APBperformance
      @APBperformance 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@ORileysAutos it's always a learning day in this game before I do most jobs I have to educated myself one way or another lol
      Just a test light with a bulb will pick up a cracked fuse the meter probley won't
      I've seen a few 3008 with all sorts of problems lately I won't even touch them like you said French motors seam to be in a bad league of there own lol
      Also love yours videos mate keep up the good work

  • @ritchieschofield1185
    @ritchieschofield1185 10 месяцев назад +6

    We have this problem all time Jimmy. Berlingos fine . However dispatches and the van you've got we use cannot do em with aftermarket scanners. We have to get another diag tech in with diagbox software (citroen OE) Does it no problem. The fuse is in passenger footwell for berlingos . Not sure about these tho. I've done a dispatch and got it clicking but that damn light won't go out until diagbox has been used. Also the tanks even though look same have to be ordered to registration as some of numbers are different. Hope this helps.

    • @ritchieschofield1185
      @ritchieschofield1185 10 месяцев назад +1

      Crazy as the ecu EDC17C60 is same on berlingos and dispatches with the 1.6 PSA . Its like that kia you did other day. Its wrong as you should be able to do it with any decent bi directional scanner.

  • @johnmehaffey9953
    @johnmehaffey9953 10 месяцев назад +7

    Peugeot used to be the best diesel you could get, nowadays I’d stay away from one, I’ve always driven diesel cars or vans and I’m really not bothered about buying a newer one I’ll stick with nothing older than a 2016 model at least I’ll know that there’s not as much technology on them,

  • @willV6F1
    @willV6F1 10 месяцев назад +4

    Hi Jimmy, you used your DMM to check the power to the tank. Did you try loading the circuit with an incandescent bulb to confirm that neither the power and ground are dying under load?

  • @WillWettenhall
    @WillWettenhall 6 месяцев назад

    I have a 2013 308 that had a tank fail, I tried using a 2011 tank while I was waiting for a new part to arrive, but wouldn't communicate. What I found was tanks are programmed to communicate to the ecu and each year/model might be programmed slightly different. Order OEM tank that corresponds with the cars Vin number. Peugeot's way of making money.
    Good luck, thank you very much for the video.😊

  • @tonychalmers9867
    @tonychalmers9867 10 месяцев назад +1

    I had exactly the same issues one one of these and did the same "fix". At least the adblue and DPF are intact.

  • @garybrown5500
    @garybrown5500 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Jimmy I took some measurments from a car with no problems Unfortunately I didnt use my Dealer turbo 5million just a multimeter. Engine idling, Yellow wire 14.7v, Green 11.1v, yellow green good earth. ( critics; yes I know green is just a average voltage from the LIN and by earth I'm refering to battery ground ; ) ) Hope this is usefull.

  • @gixerkiller1
    @gixerkiller1 10 месяцев назад +1

    The dealer tool will probably sort it we've had this issue before done loads of tanks, but the odd 1 we have had to take it to the stealer

  • @julianstafford7071
    @julianstafford7071 10 месяцев назад +7

    You could maybe tip a bit of Eolys fluid into the fuel every time you filled up?

    • @MrByootox
      @MrByootox 10 месяцев назад +1

      That's a good idea, only thing is it's expensive and carcogenic.
      You'd need to have gloves on to be safe.
      They've stopped using that stuff now on the modern ones and just sole ad-blu

  • @matthewcole909
    @matthewcole909 9 месяцев назад

    Had the same Issue with a Toyota Proace. The new Eolys module needs programming. Took it to a Toyota dealer. They couldn’t do it so had to take it to a Peugeot dealer who were able to complete the programming.

  • @oleg707oleg3
    @oleg707oleg3 6 месяцев назад +1

    Привет Джимми. я дам вам ответ. Для диагностики причины вам необходимо войти в блок дополнительной присадки EOLYS и посмотреть параметры. В параметрах вы скорее всего увидите полную емкость заправки 1,44 и остаток присадки (в моем случае это было 3%). Этим вы также проверите соединение LIN. Потом вам нужно заправить бак соответствующей жидкостью, в вашем случае это синяя банка (коричневая жидкость). Далее, поскольку в баке присадки нет датчика уровня, нужно сделать сброс управляющего компьютера БЕЗ замены бачка. Для машин после 2015 года нужен онлайн доступ а также прибор psa lexia ( можно китайский). Сброс через меню двигателя, там есть два способа, ничего сложного. И посоветовать в будущем заправлять машину как можно реже ( каждый раз полный бак), поскольку при заправке вы откручиваете горловину бака (там есть датчик - геркон + магнит), что провоцирует впрыснуть дозу eolys в топливо.

    • @slobodanstevanovic4024
      @slobodanstevanovic4024 3 дня назад

      Pozdrav Oleg! Znaci posle 2015 nemoze se resetovati nova pumpa osim online u Citroän servisu? Radim sa DZ diagnozom …

    • @oleg707oleg3
      @oleg707oleg3 3 дня назад

      @@slobodanstevanovic4024 можно попробовать. Я сбрасывал блокировку scr после блокировки по пробегу в 2019, диагзоном. Перед этим пробовал KTS- онлайн, не получалось. Хуже всего, что при этом надо было делать прожиг, 40 минут. и так 5 раз.

  • @coffeeguy6673
    @coffeeguy6673 10 месяцев назад +13

    Blimey, has the owner not heard of a vacuum cleaner !!

  • @osvaldaspaldavicius4130
    @osvaldaspaldavicius4130 10 месяцев назад +2

    You should check DTC codes and Live Data in an
    Additive Tank Ecu allso to solve this problem.

  • @ttatimbo5830
    @ttatimbo5830 2 месяца назад +1

    hi jimmy - did you ever find out the end result of this?
    I had one today, 2019 peugeot partner - had same codes, multiplex additive pump fault. So i fitted a genuine tank BUT the numbers didnt match. Firstly I wondered whether this might be the issue. Secondly, I wondered if the later peugeots (2017 onwards) either need to go to the main dealer to be coded or maybe software updated to make the new pump work?
    I ended up having to take the tank off the customers van, re-fitted the old one, and told him he needs to possibly take it to Peugeot for coding. - I didnt want to risk leaving the tank on, in case they end up fitting another new tank and throwing it away or something. Also customer would have had to pay twice and i didnt charge him for tank as i removed it.
    are you thinking that the later peugeots can be refilled and reset by Launch diagnostic but maybe not replaced and programmed by the Launch?
    thanks for any help - i know you are busy but I am keen to know the answer and to be able to help my customer. I also have a tank i filled and cannot return now unfortuantely unless i find another van that needs it and can get the tank programmed.
    thanks

  • @MrRichard57000
    @MrRichard57000 7 месяцев назад

    will a defect in the eolyse system effect regenaration cycles???or is the car going to regenerate without the eolyse??? i have a p 1445 on an expert 2 from 2014 with an 2.0 liter hdi(eolyse level to high???) anyway great content on your videos,love m!!!!

  • @johnfountain8143
    @johnfountain8143 10 месяцев назад

    Done quite a few of these and at least 50% need to be programmed with the PSA service tool I pay for a day and use my Bosch passthrough

  • @dobridimitrijevic2718
    @dobridimitrijevic2718 5 месяцев назад

    I had the same error P1434, P1435 and B1003 on a peugeot 2017 II 1.6 blue hdi.Replaced the reservoir but could not get the pump to start. Only in the authorized service they started the pump, through the server.
    I think, if you are only adding the additive, do not go to the tank replacement option, but only the additive filling option.

  • @royritchie4184
    @royritchie4184 10 месяцев назад +6

    Programming eloys off will give future dpf faults! The reason you have these 2 fault codes is because you need to program the new tank with dealer tool! Older peugeot citroen models are easy but newer ones need programmed online with official subscription.

    • @ORileysAutos
      @ORileysAutos  10 месяцев назад +2

      I've programmed lots of these with my tool. Something else going on maybe software issue

    • @royritchie4184
      @royritchie4184 10 месяцев назад +4

      @ORileysAutos I do only diagnostics for a job and have programmed dozens of 2015 on eloys tanks! 98% have to be done online, Like I said earlier models are easy with aftermarket tools.

    • @royritchie4184
      @royritchie4184 10 месяцев назад +3

      Btw if your planning doing this job for a few more years you need dealer diagnostic kit believe me.

    • @KC08RAS
      @KC08RAS 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@royritchie4184 where do u get them from

    • @fanfeck2844
      @fanfeck2844 10 месяцев назад

      @@royritchie4184there’s no way independents can afford to subscribe to all these different manufacturers

  • @Arkadiusz_Stec
    @Arkadiusz_Stec 7 месяцев назад

    Your the best😎😎😎😎😎

  • @davesmith5914
    @davesmith5914 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the video

  • @vauxtips6687
    @vauxtips6687 10 месяцев назад

    C’mon Jimmy! You’ve got voltage but do you have current?
    Test with the circuit working… ie plugged in and loaded using a back probe or put a bulb on the wire
    No current flow no voltage drop

  • @mrwayne70
    @mrwayne70 10 месяцев назад

    Hi Jimmy, where did you get the small meter withe the inbuilt scope?

  • @AdamDitheridge
    @AdamDitheridge 2 месяца назад

    Been looking into this problem, and something I've seen that rings bells is the mileage of around 112000 miles. Saw it on a C4 forum with regards to EOLYS etc. This van is on 112000, and my partner possibly has a fault in this area and her car is 112105......spooky..?

  • @slickmouse
    @slickmouse 10 месяцев назад +1

    He's close to the DPF limit. 112000 miles is 180246 kilometres

  • @coiso27
    @coiso27 6 месяцев назад

    Had the same problem with a 208, after replacing the tank with a new original one, the new one comes "clean" and needs recoding with a PEUGEOT scan tool.

  • @emilysuvac8243
    @emilysuvac8243 10 месяцев назад +5

    Message to owner .
    Buy 1 L Pat fluid from Euro carparts
    Buy seringe
    Every time you fill up add 20 ml pat fluid
    Keep the £3000
    Problem solved

    • @adisl6659
      @adisl6659 2 месяца назад

      Did you used that method, it's actually not a bad idea..

    • @platinum0009
      @platinum0009 2 месяца назад

      Yes I did on my c5

    • @adisl6659
      @adisl6659 2 месяца назад

      @@platinum0009any troubles afterwards because, im going to use you 150iq idea

    • @platinum0009
      @platinum0009 2 месяца назад +1

      No troubles
      Worked like a dream

    • @adisl6659
      @adisl6659 2 месяца назад

      @@platinum0009 Yhea i ordered the pat fluid and i will use your methode. I will surely let you know

  • @jvmclovin73
    @jvmclovin73 10 месяцев назад

    Had this on a Toyota proace, required our dealer software and to be locked to psa, They programmed it on line, it was a ball ache!

  • @martinwilson6815
    @martinwilson6815 10 месяцев назад

    You cant win them all Jimmy,Diagnose Dan territory on this one .

  • @rabehbenali1270
    @rabehbenali1270 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hi jimmy, could you please put a link for the diagnostic machine you’re using, thanks

    • @johntheoldmod
      @johntheoldmod 10 месяцев назад +3

      He has covered this before it's a launch eurotab 3 and I looked it up, it costs just short of £6000 inc VAT

    • @ORileysAutos
      @ORileysAutos  10 месяцев назад +2

      Www.launchtech.co.uk Euro Tab 3

    • @rabehbenali1270
      @rabehbenali1270 10 месяцев назад

      Nice one

  • @raidopajur1623
    @raidopajur1623 8 месяцев назад

    Hi. What did you to to get absent . My car says also programming faild

  • @stogmot1
    @stogmot1 10 месяцев назад

    the temp sensor in the wing mirror playing up ,so wont programe in ?

  • @kurtjensen1085
    @kurtjensen1085 10 месяцев назад +2

    I got the same error P1434 and B1811 and got a bulletin it sad ad 10 liters of diesel and drive 40km and the error is gone

    • @ORileysAutos
      @ORileysAutos  10 месяцев назад

      It had drive 2 hours to me

  • @martinsheanon3232
    @martinsheanon3232 10 месяцев назад

    you scoped it with small portable meter if you scope with a proper scope is the can signal corrupt incorrect h/l signal thus interferes with additive tank can bus .generates fault when its not the emissions at all but something else ie ,,back light ..or bci unit fault

    • @ORileysAutos
      @ORileysAutos  10 месяцев назад

      Definitely BSI or software update

  • @zarmaan2869
    @zarmaan2869 10 месяцев назад

    Hi there is different version in the tanks even though they look the same .

  • @garethwilliams2147
    @garethwilliams2147 10 месяцев назад +5

    i had same issue with a 66plate DS3 1.6hdi same codes about multiplex addative pump not communicating, power and linbus all fine, it needs official diagbox software with online mode on, clones will not work on this years model, it seems the cut off when it needs online telecoding is 2016, 66plate onwards needs diagbox online to communicate to peugoet to program the pump.
    i have a clone cable and box, but using the official diagbox and paying peugot for a 7day token online to then program the thing in.
    another fix if its just the pump thats gone you can unclip the bit where the pipes connect and just change the motor out, the board if you look at where the 3pins go onto the pcb youll find that they are not soldered just pushfit, alot of them can be fixed by soldering these 3 points then it good to go

  • @kan815k
    @kan815k 10 месяцев назад +2

    By disabling the light, additive will still work?

  • @nickhoward9343
    @nickhoward9343 10 месяцев назад

    👍

  • @waynehardiman9421
    @waynehardiman9421 2 месяца назад

    I have one of these vans drive amazing but these faults I’ve changed everything pretty much bar the engine with Peugeot nightmare adblue and senses worse things they ever done

  • @markobrien5551
    @markobrien5551 10 месяцев назад

    These 2.0ltr engines are a nightmare, I won’t go near them anymore.

  • @Paulkingdom04
    @Paulkingdom04 4 месяца назад

    Anybody tried this with a snap on machine? Zeus etc?

  • @nickhoward9343
    @nickhoward9343 10 месяцев назад

    A fiddly job

  • @larrysimon1
    @larrysimon1 10 месяцев назад

    I've had a few similar electrical faults with no obvious fault found, one I remember was a DRL on a Seat not working, checked wiring checked DRL controller checked headlight checked everything. Turned out to be the BSI had lost its programming for that DRL ! had to buy a new BSI and reprogramme it to fix the fecking thing. £900 for 1 x DRL not working. I would strongly advise checking your Supply and Earths under circuit load - I use a Load pro attached to my DMM. Worth its weight in gold.

  • @MrByootox
    @MrByootox 10 месяцев назад

    The wiring in these vans is absolutely sh1te!!
    No end of trouble with them.

  • @simplemechanics246
    @simplemechanics246 10 месяцев назад +3

    The CAN BUS is not single wire like you measured... On that tree was other modules too missing. For proper measurement, sorry your over priced milwaukii tool can not handle that