I'm glad you talked about how dangerous electricity is and that you need to take precautions to eliminate those dangers before any kind of work or maintenance.
The problem is there are people so dense that they deliberately ignore the precautions anyway regardless of the risk at hand. It doesn't matter how much you teach them. Those are the ones who get fired from companies on a daily basis for being negligent and irresponsible. People like that need to stay away from hazards entirely.
Unfortunately, Safety being overstated can become redundant. Being human it’s natural to be complacent: ie.. Letting your guard down down. With electricity while it looks harmless people need to have a holy respect for the energy. The unexpected and potential hazards can be fully understood. Even if electrical service is disconnected, circuits might still have stored energy in capacitors or inductors, which could discharge unexpectedly upon contact. Know your electricity. It’s not magic. No need for paranoia because It follows basic physics. Making it someone else’s intellectual responsibility, doesn’t un-dead you.
@@justinbanks1563 I think having that stuff easily accessible is really cool. You’re only ever going to need it about once every 4 years but man it would be awesome to have everything that accessible
As an industrial electrician, you're absolutely spot on. Hopefully the production model will keep this same premise of being open to work on and fault find!
I design electrical cabinets for locomotives, so much of what is on Topsy and what Edison and Deboss are working on is so similar to what I work on each day. The control system and supporting equipment is practically exactly the same. Also, that system is about 50% bigger than it really needs to be. But that 50% is due to off-the-shelf components and extreme serviceability. If they designed some bespoke systems they could save a lot of space. This is what traditional auto manufacturers do. I'm not saying they should, but this is definitely part of the reason for the space needed
Even us i3 REx owners are watching carefully. After 115k miles with zero issues, virtually unused brakes (due to regen) cheap operating costs and a simple onboard generator, it feels like scaling this up to F350 size is a no- brainer.
Hats off to Danfoss for developing all these components and making them available. Companies like Edison are needed to engineer how to use the components for a particular application. Danfoss is a well known and respected brand in the industrial control world. Industrial components are designed to last as long as possible; no planned obsolescence or replacement. Industrial customers will pay whatever it costs to make the components reliable due to cost of downtime.
We need this in our hotshot business!! We run a fleet of Ram 3500s, and this tech would be amazing to have. Fuel efficiency, more power, less brake use due to regen braking. Amazing!!!
I always see this company pop up on FB and Insta and get all kinds of hate in the comments, which is wild because they are truly doing the electric thing RIGHT. Diesel engine to charge the batteries, easily swappable components, non-proprietary batteries, etc. I would potentially actually buy a diesel electric pickup if it made more power and got better gas mileage than a normal diesel pickup and I bet these guys will make that happen.
Yeah, and no., as it sits right now, it is not producing net savings I think with battery advancement, and a few other things, it might BECOME more efficient than just a diesel,., this particular truck has shown promise because it’s been used to drive up a mountain empty, load up, and haul lumber down hill, using regen brakes., now if it were hauling uphill, and coasting down empty, they would be a good bit behind a diesel truck., but hopefully with a little more learning, and the rate at which batteries are advancing, it just might become very efficient.. ??
@@GRANITEMONUMENTactually, you’re about as wrong as you could be. That’s the proposed best case scenario. So far they have been doing mill hauls. Moving loads from yard to mill on mostly flat ground. Not coasting loaded. And they are still seeing better fuel efficiency than a standard diesel. Not as much, but better. And they still have a fair bit of margin still for improvement with what they are learning, even without generational improvement. Add that and the gap widens.
@@RandomName100 this right here, i mean merrit is pretty hilly, its literally in the mountains but its still not going up empty and loading , its just running a smaller genny and getting more from that
I am one HUNDRED percent putting this in a Transit van. This will help me so much since I use it for work. But even if I didn't, it'd be AWESOME in a camper!
@@EpicToadRage Definitely great for camper. Enough battery to supply quiet HVAC overnight. No need for gas cans & separate generator. No anxiety over non-existent EV chargers in remote areas.
This is great I'm looking forward to the end result. This would be great for so many trucks with PTO. In a bucket truck we're always turning it on and off to hear each other.
Logic, common sense and intelligent design. Edison is the way of the future!!! I think your product is amazing. Between Edison and Deboss Garage is a Canadian success story! Love it lads keep up the great work.
Differently put the whole "lock out, tack out" stuff in the truck as a standard accessory, that way you can make it easy for the backyard mechanic to be safe.
Been following your progress for a while now and I have to say you guys are doing an amazing job! When you we’re talking about lock out tag out in this video, have you guys considered designing your battery shut off like some of the hybrid car systems where as the battery kill switch is actually a key, and to get to the high voltage system you need that key. For safety you can’t access the high voltage systems without the shut off key. It’s a great guarantee to prevent accidental electrocution.
Wow! I love the serviceability of this. I have always wondered my major manufacturers aren’t doing this in trucks and cars. It seems like the best of both worlds. I’m glad you guys are doing it for them.
I would LOVE to see this project trickle down into the Tuner community. I want an electric rear axle in the back of my Accord. Way more power (more weight, tho 😑), and AWD.
Since I was 12 years old I’ve been saying that a diesel electric car or truck would be great idea I love what you guys are doing I’ll definitely be a customer in the future
Can’t wait to see some 3rd gen Ram 2500 conversions, Rich! That said, even tho I’m sure you’re gonna be busy as all get out and will likely have an excess of donor 3rd gen 5.9s lined up outside your shop, if you’re ever looking for another 3rd gen 5.9 to convert, to help prove your concept will also work in the states, my tired 3rd gen 5.9 is totally up for the challenge, as an early adopter and proof of concept!
I thought about doing diesel electric in trucks for a long time, just not with batteries. Only thing that held me back was the resistive braking. I couldn't figure out how to fit the resistors and cooling into a space small enough to make it work. Y'all did that with regen. Hats off and can't wait to convert my RAM 4500.
@@jamesphillips2285how does the Jake work on holding the truck back, if I’m not mistaken the engine is not physically connected to the drive other than through the generator. There is no way for the rolling axles to turn the genset. Im not being an ass, I’m curious how it is being used.
What I’m curious to know is when going down a huge hill while running full regen, as soon as the battery bank hits 100% you will lose the regen function unless you have a resistor bank backup to dissipate the excess energy in heat. Have you heard how they have sorted that out? With a car in stop and go traffic you deplete some battery upon acceleration each time but with 100000 lbs going down a super long hill you can generate a huge amount of electricity without depleting battery.
@@sw5334 As I said: I don't know if they actually tested it yet: but the steps are: - drive motors go into regenerative braking mode - battery voltage rises to some limit (optional) - Start diesel, use excess battery voltage to turn the generator into a motor [requires bidirectional inverter] - Use jake brake to dissipate energy. I seems to me that it would be *very* easy to accidentally trickle-charge a full battery if you don't have all the control signals working correctly.
I'm officially sold and can't wait until there's an axle solution for small trucks somewhere down the road (Ranger/S10/Niss's/Toyo's). Thats a kit I'd gladly try
Well one of the axels that they got that was wrong for the dodge project, was figured to be the perfect size for a Ranger or Land Cruiser. So might already be possible.
Greetings from the south Okanagan, thanks to you both for the update. In talking with people in the industry, I can see a huge market for hybrid service trucks where they currently have a diesel for the main power, a gas motor for the welder, another gas for the compressor and then a hydraulic system run off of the main diesel. Running the auxiliary welder, compressor and hydraulic from electric makes so much more sense and would result in less fuel consumption. For bombing around in the BC backcountry, something more off road capable than our Rav4 hybrid would be flat out amazing. That Rav4 by the way gets slightly better fuel economy than our old '90 Jetta turbo diesel, but at the same time will pass our '03 Cummins truck going up mountain passes with ease. Looking forward to seeing where you all are taking this.
Rich, I think that this is a great idea. I work at a major skills college in Cambridge and we all think that a hybrid is the necessary component in EV Watching this closely. Hit me up for a tour of the campus if you're ever in Cambridge
@17:58. I have a good ole 2006 2500 Ram RWD Six speed! Starting to do the 18 year, SD - ND. I pick it up for 15.5 with third synchro out 2015, MONEY was put into the lower rockers (used dealership). Solid rebuild @ 219-225k now! I am excited to be able to further the life and durability that is coming from Edison into my own vehicle… at the right time…! I’m excited and wish the best for You both and The Company! Rich, give me another 250k and I’ll be visiting you for your services. Has been my primary small town vehicle for 6 hard years 😬. Great Idea guys!
Chase one thing I noticed is that you call the computer board a PCB board. The correct name is just PC board. Other than that I am following your builds faithfully on bother channels. Both Rich and Chase,I wish I could afford to have a pickup built.
The minute I find a pre 1975 1 ton truck I'll be reserving a 2wd pick-up kit for it. You guys keep the noses to the grindstone, and you will likely be the ones driving the change that saves the world.
I thought this concept was awesome the second I saw it. I often thought, why don't car companies make electric cars work like a diesel electric train vs fully grid dependant electric. And then I saw the first videos about your project. As a long time heavy duty diesel truck tech, I am really impressed with your thoughts on servicing the truck after it is built. You may have posted it but I haven't seen all your videos yet, I am interested in your fuel economy compared to a traditional truck. All around I really like what you guys are doing!!
I can’t wait for the pickup kits!!!! I will probably wait until there’s an axle option that’ll be double the rated power output per axle though. If I’m going to drop that much money I want it to RIP!
Super excited about this; LOVE it! Gotta say though...at about 8 minutes in, I saw a scat-ton of the cheapest junk wire loom known to humankind and lost my buzz. Realizing that the builders are expecting to makes changes as they figure things out, I kinda get it, but I beg that it gets upgraded when the time comes!
In a separate video Edison acknowledges that wiring/cabling on the Topsy proof of concept was just 'get er done'. The wiring/cabling on the production trucks has been all layed out in cad. A place for everything and everything in its place.
Since I saw an article on a Rivera converted to a gas driven hydraulic system, I have toyed with the idea. I even 'mentally' designed a system for a plug in to an air cooled VW. I am now thinking that an older comfortable car could be made into a hybrid diesel/electric with a small Kabota commercial mower engine, of which I have three doing nothing right now, and off the shelf electrical products. I will never need the pickup you are designing, but will follow your progress with great interest. Keep it up.
To improve serviceability it would be advisable to unitise everything into separately removable components with lifting hooks. The generator and other heavy modules could then be quick swapped for working units while the broken components are being repaired. The generator pack could even be housed in a separate box behind the cab mounted transverse incorporating a large high impact resistance headache rack.😊
It depends on the year. A 90s or older sure. Newer stuff is computer controlled. The head light doesn't give power to the lights. It tell a bcm to turn it on for you.
I think the batteries being easily replaceable is the most underrated part of this whole deal. If I was in charge of a larger company wanting to go electric I would never trust Tesla semis. They’ve proven time and time again they don’t sell things you can fix yourself. This would give more peace of mind knowing you can have a fleet and keep them on the road without relying on Tesla service centers
I have some experience with diesel electric in mining machinery. You are better off keeping an oversized generator. Running a larger engine at a lower power factor results in significantly better fuel consumption versus a smaller engine running at full load. Also, they will generally last significantly longer. We pulled an MTU at 35k hr and pistons bores bearings looked new.
When you're done with the pickup, downsize it even more. Would love to have an electric rail buggy with one of those tiny LiquidPiston motors as a range extender.
Would be cool if the production version of topsy was easy to install extra batteries if desired. (no need for the extra weight but a desire to run longer on batteries.) As space permits obviously.
Im a big EV guy... Im also a big diesel guy. (farm kid) Ive wanted to take a VW 4cyl diesel and slap it in a vehicle as a charger only for YEARS. Finally someone with some actual talent is doing it. After giving this a lot of thought. I believe that any vehicle that is doing "WORK" will be ICE/E (ICE over E) unless there is a massive change in battery tech that doubles the range at LEAST. There still might be some place for Tesla Semi, but the majority of systems would benefit from the efficiency....even over the road trucks. I see the Ramcharger doing great, the new Scout being an awesome alternative to the Rivian and I fully expect the next version of the Powerboost F150 to be ICE/E. Passenger vehicles will likely go all EV, but anything that has to tow or was intended to pull weight.... will be true hybrid. LOVE the project...cant wait until you start recruiting installers because Ill be interested!
"any vehicle that is doing WORK will be ICE unless there is a massive change in battery tech" is just absurd nonsense. There is a lot of commercial applications where BEVs have more than enough energy capacity to get the job done. Trash Trucks, Delivery Vans, Mining vehicle, City Bus, local municipal service trucks mostly things that are never far from home base. This is where real work commercial vehicle will shine as BEVs. There is no need for hybrids in those cases. Now anything that has to travel a long distance away or into the middle of nowhere that is where Series Hybrids is the correct tool for the job. You have to be more specific with what the vehicle is being used for.
I hope they finish inventing "solid state" batteries before my 2011 Leaf needs a second battery replacement in around 2031. Another promising technology that they have not finished inventing yet is room-temperature Lithium-Sulphur batteries. Both technologies should let you at least double range, with the same weight.
@@jamesphillips2285 solid state is definitely the holy Grail... because of short recharge times... But any new chemistry that enables greater density without speeding up charging just makes the full charge time longer. Sure you get 500 miles a charge but now it takes 45 min to get that 500 miles..
@@LeeWinkler If you are driving 5 hours straight: you may be due for a meal break. But that is an edge case. Most vehicles spend 90% of their time parked. They can easily charge overnight on level 2 AC charging. The grid needs only minor upgrades to accommodate this: since it can already handle the supper hour peak, which draws about the same amount of power as an overnight EV charge.
I really hope I can commission the DeBoss Garage team to build my dream F450 SRW diesel-electric monster once my Edison Motors conversion kit is available for installation. 🤩
Sure seems like this truck would make for a good military truck. Having a generator and battery available to power shit would get rid of a lot of the generators we used to shlep around.
Hmmm im thinking a Midsize tow pig (say a nice old K50 cab, extended frame that could hold a Bolt, and a 5th wheel to tow a 45" trailer. ) add in the ability to power the rv from the main battery and charge the bolt this would make a great rig.
I bet for just a pickup truck, everything can be streamlined down to just fit in a bed mounted toolbox. I just hope Deboss labels the fuses, unlike Ford 😂.
The real advatage to operators, is in how the EV driveline puts power to the ground. No surges with gear changes and no time where is coasting with a missed gear, and it's easy to add more axles or use trailer axles as auxiliary drive axles, and have traction control systems keep the trailers safetly in line, and be able to apply more regen braking where it can stabilise a line of trailers under braking.
Deboss sunday and it's edison!! An AC battery would basically be a flywheel on a generator, it's been done and is actually still available in new technology ways. Think 15tons spinning at 8000rpm in a vacuum, attached to a generator. It was on a bus, in small scale in the 60's? cant remember.
Yes, do as much as you can to ensure safety for people working on these in the future. Look for weird points of failure that could make normally safe spots on the truck dangerous like a live wire. Consider where stuff might catch fire and what materials will make toxic fumes and if they could fill the cab. Get as many opinions as you can from lawyers and professionals in EV safety and get yourself set legally with all the warning signs and clearly labeled procedures and such. I hope you guys get these trucks out there eventually.
Im glad your doing different stuff. Its all great content. After this big truck and small truck stuff. I hope you turn your eyes on farmers. Repowering some of these large tractors and combines.
I'm looking to build a mid to late 1970s Ford F-600 or F-700 into a full time 4x4 mechanic/welder/service truck with a crane and all the goodies. I'm interested in the Edison technology for that sort of medium duty application
What annoys me (nothing against you, love the work) is you guys will sell this retrofit kit for old trucks before any big company sells range extended electric heavy duty truck. Even the ram ramcharger will be a 1500 class. GM could easily take their compact new 3.0 duramax and stick it under the hood of a 3500 and use it as a generator. It would easily do 100-150kw and up to like 200kw in a pinch, and the amount of space and weight under a 3500 without a transmission, tcase, and drive shaft would allow for a good size battery. Plus the whole timing chain that you need to drop the trans for would be way less of a concern if it was a generator it was bolted to and not a 10 speed trans, significantly less weight and less stuff to disassemble.
Yes, finally, keep these initiatives coming ! Maybe the next innovation could be; swap the Diesel engine for a Cummins Hydrogen engine and the truck will be entirely emission-free !
@@DEBOSSGARAGE For now, I'd say yes. Just park the idea of a Cummins Hydrogen engine somewhere in your mind. Cummins is making reliable engines for a very long time now. So are their Hydrogens engines: reliable. These are non-experimental engines, These are engines ready for the job ;-) So maybe not for now, but for the (near) future.
Nothing makes me happier than seeing a Canadian company making massive strides in the industry like you guys have.
I'm glad you talked about how dangerous electricity is and that you need to take precautions to eliminate those dangers before any kind of work or maintenance.
Need giant red signage. STOP, LOCKOUT, TAGOUT, GLOVE UP, CHECK VOLTAGE, TELL SOMEONE.
@@Sah-o5m WTF red sign is pointless. But those procedures are important to adhere to strictly.
The problem is there are people so dense that they deliberately ignore the precautions anyway regardless of the risk at hand. It doesn't matter how much you teach them. Those are the ones who get fired from companies on a daily basis for being negligent and irresponsible. People like that need to stay away from hazards entirely.
Unfortunately, Safety being overstated can become redundant.
Being human it’s natural to be complacent: ie.. Letting your guard down down.
With electricity while it looks harmless people need to have a holy respect for the energy.
The unexpected and potential hazards can be fully understood.
Even if electrical service is disconnected, circuits might still have stored energy in capacitors or inductors, which could discharge unexpectedly upon contact.
Know your electricity. It’s not magic. No need for paranoia because It follows basic physics.
Making it someone else’s intellectual responsibility, doesn’t un-dead you.
@@Slane583 Lets hear from Darwin.
As an Industrial mechanic, this thing actually seems pretty straight forward. The in cab "fuse box" looks like a damn control cabinet.
@@justinbanks1563 I think having that stuff easily accessible is really cool. You’re only ever going to need it about once every 4 years but man it would be awesome to have everything that accessible
As an industrial electrician, you're absolutely spot on. Hopefully the production model will keep this same premise of being open to work on and fault find!
I design electrical cabinets for locomotives, so much of what is on Topsy and what Edison and Deboss are working on is so similar to what I work on each day. The control system and supporting equipment is practically exactly the same. Also, that system is about 50% bigger than it really needs to be. But that 50% is due to off-the-shelf components and extreme serviceability. If they designed some bespoke systems they could save a lot of space. This is what traditional auto manufacturers do. I'm not saying they should, but this is definitely part of the reason for the space needed
I thought I was look at the inside of a haas ha ha. Pretty awesome stuff
agree. looks just like the wiring for our rolling mill PLC controllers at my gig.
It's beyond time someone approached this tech with a logical format for the drivetrain. This is going to amazing guys.
14:25 Properly labeled and organized cabling. You made an ild Network Admin smile.
Even us i3 REx owners are watching carefully.
After 115k miles with zero issues, virtually unused brakes (due to regen) cheap operating costs and a simple onboard generator, it feels like scaling this up to F350 size is a no- brainer.
Hats off to Danfoss for developing all these components and making them available. Companies like Edison are needed to engineer how to use the components for a particular application.
Danfoss is a well known and respected brand in the industrial control world.
Industrial components are designed to last as long as possible; no planned obsolescence or replacement.
Industrial customers will pay whatever it costs to make the components reliable due to cost of downtime.
We need this in our hotshot business!! We run a fleet of Ram 3500s, and this tech would be amazing to have. Fuel efficiency, more power, less brake use due to regen braking. Amazing!!!
How many 3500s do you have?
I always see this company pop up on FB and Insta and get all kinds of hate in the comments, which is wild because they are truly doing the electric thing RIGHT. Diesel engine to charge the batteries, easily swappable components, non-proprietary batteries, etc. I would potentially actually buy a diesel electric pickup if it made more power and got better gas mileage than a normal diesel pickup and I bet these guys will make that happen.
Yeah, and no., as it sits right now, it is not producing net savings I think with battery advancement, and a few other things, it might BECOME more efficient than just a diesel,., this particular truck has shown promise because it’s been used to drive up a mountain empty, load up, and haul lumber down hill, using regen brakes., now if it were hauling uphill, and coasting down empty, they would be a good bit behind a diesel truck., but hopefully with a little more learning, and the rate at which batteries are advancing, it just might become very efficient.. ??
I'm still waiting to put some money on these guys.
@@GRANITEMONUMENTactually, you’re about as wrong as you could be. That’s the proposed best case scenario. So far they have been doing mill hauls. Moving loads from yard to mill on mostly flat ground. Not coasting loaded. And they are still seeing better fuel efficiency than a standard diesel. Not as much, but better. And they still have a fair bit of margin still for improvement with what they are learning, even without generational improvement. Add that and the gap widens.
@@RandomName100 this right here, i mean merrit is pretty hilly, its literally in the mountains but its still not going up empty and loading , its just running a smaller genny and getting more from that
We are doing dyno testing to prove exactly this on driving simulations written specifically for us
I love the attention being given to right to repair and general serviceability.
I am one HUNDRED percent putting this in a Transit van.
This will help me so much since I use it for work. But even if I didn't, it'd be AWESOME in a camper!
@@EpicToadRage Definitely great for camper. Enough battery to supply quiet HVAC overnight. No need for gas cans & separate generator. No anxiety over non-existent EV chargers in remote areas.
@@donswiernot to mention the EV torque and acceleration. Imagine driving an EV-powered RV over the Rockies, the Sierras, the Appalachians.
Always thought there should be a retrofit kit to change existing vehicles to a hybrid or clean energy system.
Keep plugging away Lance and Rich!.
LMFAO "Party Rock" batteries. Now I know what to use on my next project.
Glad someone else caught that, lol
In the Venn diagram of people who know who LMFAO are and people who are interested in hybrid trucks, we are in the tiny overlapping sliver
This is great I'm looking forward to the end result. This would be great for so many trucks with PTO. In a bucket truck we're always turning it on and off to hear each other.
I always thought the hydraulics on those needed bigger acululaters so you could get a few movement before auto start carnks up again
Logic, common sense and intelligent design. Edison is the way of the future!!! I think your product is amazing. Between Edison and Deboss Garage is a Canadian success story! Love it lads keep up the great work.
Thanks for your efforts. For many years I have used the freight train analogy in my desire for diesel electric.
Differently put the whole "lock out, tack out" stuff in the truck as a standard accessory, that way you can make it easy for the backyard mechanic to be safe.
Lock out; tag* out
Yes! I love to see this! Watching you guys progress gives me such great hope for the future!
Been following your progress for a while now and I have to say you guys are doing an amazing job! When you we’re talking about lock out tag out in this video, have you guys considered designing your battery shut off like some of the hybrid car systems where as the battery kill switch is actually a key, and to get to the high voltage system you need that key. For safety you can’t access the high voltage systems without the shut off key. It’s a great guarantee to prevent accidental electrocution.
The kit coming is great news. IP stuff first, for sure.
Wow! I love the serviceability of this. I have always wondered my major manufacturers aren’t doing this in trucks and cars. It seems like the best of both worlds. I’m glad you guys are doing it for them.
It has always seemed that major auto manufacturers and the oil industry are joint at the hip. I hope I am wrong for the long run.
I would LOVE to see this project trickle down into the Tuner community. I want an electric rear axle in the back of my Accord.
Way more power (more weight, tho 😑), and AWD.
Beautiful my brothers get her done and I will be ordering my truck.
Since I was 12 years old I’ve been saying that a diesel electric car or truck would be great idea I love what you guys are doing I’ll definitely be a customer in the future
One of the coolest projects on youtube. Can't wait til I can order the conversion kit
I would be very interested in seeing how Topsy would do at a big rig challenge where they drag race pulling heavy loads uphill.
Can’t wait to see some 3rd gen Ram 2500 conversions, Rich! That said, even tho I’m sure you’re gonna be busy as all get out and will likely have an excess of donor 3rd gen 5.9s lined up outside your shop, if you’re ever looking for another 3rd gen 5.9 to convert, to help prove your concept will also work in the states, my tired 3rd gen 5.9 is totally up for the challenge, as an early adopter and proof of concept!
DeBoss is a great partner in this..... they will be successful....
Thanks man!
I thought about doing diesel electric in trucks for a long time, just not with batteries. Only thing that held me back was the resistive braking. I couldn't figure out how to fit the resistors and cooling into a space small enough to make it work. Y'all did that with regen. Hats off and can't wait to convert my RAM 4500.
Don't know if they tested that corner case yet: but the semi has a jake brake for hold-back if the batteries are full.
@@jamesphillips2285how does the Jake work on holding the truck back, if I’m not mistaken the engine is not physically connected to the drive other than through the generator. There is no way for the rolling axles to turn the genset. Im not being an ass, I’m curious how it is being used.
What I’m curious to know is when going down a huge hill while running full regen, as soon as the battery bank hits 100% you will lose the regen function unless you have a resistor bank backup to dissipate the excess energy in heat. Have you heard how they have sorted that out? With a car in stop and go traffic you deplete some battery upon acceleration each time but with 100000 lbs going down a super long hill you can generate a huge amount of electricity without depleting battery.
@@sw5334 As I said: I don't know if they actually tested it yet: but the steps are:
- drive motors go into regenerative braking mode
- battery voltage rises to some limit (optional)
- Start diesel, use excess battery voltage to turn the generator into a motor [requires bidirectional inverter]
- Use jake brake to dissipate energy.
I seems to me that it would be *very* easy to accidentally trickle-charge a full battery if you don't have all the control signals working correctly.
@@jamesphillips2285 another guy just linked to a video chase did on the system you are talking about. Cool idea if it works. Cheers.
I'm officially sold and can't wait until there's an axle solution for small trucks somewhere down the road (Ranger/S10/Niss's/Toyo's). Thats a kit I'd gladly try
Well one of the axels that they got that was wrong for the dodge project, was figured to be the perfect size for a Ranger or Land Cruiser. So might already be possible.
What could go wrong? This is so simple and easy to repair.
Greetings from the south Okanagan, thanks to you both for the update. In talking with people in the industry, I can see a huge market for hybrid service trucks where they currently have a diesel for the main power, a gas motor for the welder, another gas for the compressor and then a hydraulic system run off of the main diesel. Running the auxiliary welder, compressor and hydraulic from electric makes so much more sense and would result in less fuel consumption. For bombing around in the BC backcountry, something more off road capable than our Rav4 hybrid would be flat out amazing. That Rav4 by the way gets slightly better fuel economy than our old '90 Jetta turbo diesel, but at the same time will pass our '03 Cummins truck going up mountain passes with ease. Looking forward to seeing where you all are taking this.
I agree. There is a reason why the first 10 Edison production trucks have been paid in advance by large companies like Emcon and Royal.
The electric RAV4, with a towed generator option, got sued out of existence after Chevron bought up the NiMH battery patents.
I can’t wait!!! I have a 1997 F-350 4X4 waiting for this kit. Can you work on 30 and or 50 amp RV plug-ins for us campers??? Please!!!
Rich, I think that this is a great idea. I work at a major skills college in Cambridge and we all think that a hybrid is the necessary component in EV
Watching this closely.
Hit me up for a tour of the campus if you're ever in Cambridge
@17:58. I have a good ole 2006 2500 Ram RWD Six speed! Starting to do the 18 year, SD - ND. I pick it up for 15.5 with third synchro out 2015, MONEY was put into the lower rockers (used dealership). Solid rebuild @ 219-225k now! I am excited to be able to further the life and durability that is coming from Edison into my own vehicle… at the right time…! I’m excited and wish the best for You both and The Company! Rich, give me another 250k and I’ll be visiting you for your services. Has been my primary small town vehicle for 6 hard years 😬. Great Idea guys!
We have all kinds of battery tech these days, its incredible
That truck is even wired like a locomotive, pretty cool.
I cant tell if Chase is calling them "LMFAO" batteries intentionally or not lol.
Had the same thought
He's a chinese hacker, working for the koreans, isn't he?
@@Vaino_Hotti 🤣🤣🤣
So I guess they couldn't use ac batteries ? And eliminate some inverters?
@@evanmuron5729 their are no AC batteries
Awesome job guys, please keep pushing forward
Good stuff, rock on guys!
THIS MAN IS A GENIUS FOR SURE HE MUST HAVE DEGREES IN ELECTRICAL AND MECHANICAL ENGINEERING DEGREES
Chase one thing I noticed is that you call the computer board a PCB board. The correct name is just PC board. Other than that I am following your builds faithfully on bother channels. Both Rich and Chase,I wish I could afford to have a pickup built.
The minute I find a pre 1975 1 ton truck I'll be reserving a 2wd pick-up kit for it. You guys keep the noses to the grindstone, and you will likely be the ones driving the change that saves the world.
With having a motor for each wheel. You could make one heck of a rock crawler..😂
It also is nice on slippery roads in the winter.
I thought this concept was awesome the second I saw it. I often thought, why don't car companies make electric cars work like a diesel electric train vs fully grid dependant electric. And then I saw the first videos about your project. As a long time heavy duty diesel truck tech, I am really impressed with your thoughts on servicing the truck after it is built. You may have posted it but I haven't seen all your videos yet, I am interested in your fuel economy compared to a traditional truck. All around I really like what you guys are doing!!
Their is/was a car like that the Chevy Volt but the marketing wasn't strong enough
Until we get much better battery tech THIS is how you do EVs. I love that it will be produced in Canada.
I can’t wait for the pickup kits!!!! I will probably wait until there’s an axle option that’ll be double the rated power output per axle though. If I’m going to drop that much money I want it to RIP!
Keep it up guys!👌🏻👍🏻🛠️🔧🔩⚡🔌🔋
There both incredible! Keep it up please!
Probably going to be out of my budget. But can't wait to see the non-comercial trucks on the road.
Love the MAMMOET hat
Oooooook. IP and patent. That makes sense. I can be patient now.
They only need the patent to stop others from patenting it.
Super excited about this; LOVE it! Gotta say though...at about 8 minutes in, I saw a scat-ton of the cheapest junk wire loom known to humankind and lost my buzz. Realizing that the builders are expecting to makes changes as they figure things out, I kinda get it, but I beg that it gets upgraded when the time comes!
In a separate video Edison acknowledges that wiring/cabling on the Topsy proof of concept was just 'get er done'. The wiring/cabling on the production trucks has been all layed out in cad. A place for everything and everything in its place.
Great summary video. Thanks Rich and chase. Can't wait for the pickup build videos to continue
This is what I’ve been waiting for from Edison!
The freight train comparison makes perfect sense to me.
This would be interesting also for RVs...
Yes, it could give you a much better MPG in an RV. The cost of fuel in an RV is trouble.
I love the idea and I hope it is successful.
Sooo stoked for this video, thanks guys you're killing it
Since I saw an article on a Rivera converted to a gas driven hydraulic system, I have toyed with the idea. I even 'mentally' designed a system for a plug in to an air cooled VW. I am now thinking that an older comfortable car could be made into a hybrid diesel/electric with a small Kabota commercial mower engine, of which I have three doing nothing right now, and off the shelf electrical products. I will never need the pickup you are designing, but will follow your progress with great interest. Keep it up.
Right to repair is SOOOOO important guys.... I can't agree more!
Have you talked to any big RUclipsrs like Mark Rober? I think a lot of young minds would be interested in something like this
I can’t wait for this!! I bought my truck for this!
Wow, thank you! I'm working as hard as I can to make it happen
THIS IS SO GOOD LOVE ALL THESE VIDEOS ON HERE
I appreciate that these projects aren’t a gimmick like “overlanding” but targeted towards real life work horse vehicles.
To improve serviceability it would be advisable to unitise everything into separately removable components with lifting hooks.
The generator and other heavy modules could then be quick swapped for working units while the broken components are being repaired.
The generator pack could even be housed in a separate box behind the cab mounted transverse incorporating a large high impact resistance headache rack.😊
For pick-up retrofit, won't you power 12v functions with the original wiring/fuse box. Just power it with old 12v power cable
That's what I was thinking too! Why make it more complicated than it needs to be.
It depends on the year. A 90s or older sure. Newer stuff is computer controlled. The head light doesn't give power to the lights. It tell a bcm to turn it on for you.
Very Excited hope to get one someday!👍🏽😊❤️🇺🇸
Been thinking about picking up a 6.7 to replace my 7.3 but one of your kits in a F550 might be the ticket.
amazing...great job for the future...D.E. on waste fry oil, lets go!!!!!
Investment Round 3 is open. The guys are not allowed to promote on social media. So please invest and spread the word.
I think the batteries being easily replaceable is the most underrated part of this whole deal. If I was in charge of a larger company wanting to go electric I would never trust Tesla semis. They’ve proven time and time again they don’t sell things you can fix yourself. This would give more peace of mind knowing you can have a fleet and keep them on the road without relying on Tesla service centers
I have some experience with diesel electric in mining machinery. You are better off keeping an oversized generator. Running a larger engine at a lower power factor results in significantly better fuel consumption versus a smaller engine running at full load. Also, they will generally last significantly longer. We pulled an MTU at 35k hr and pistons bores bearings looked new.
When you're done with the pickup, downsize it even more. Would love to have an electric rail buggy with one of those tiny LiquidPiston motors as a range extender.
Would be cool if the production version of topsy was easy to install extra batteries if desired. (no need for the extra weight but a desire to run longer on batteries.) As space permits obviously.
Im a big EV guy... Im also a big diesel guy. (farm kid) Ive wanted to take a VW 4cyl diesel and slap it in a vehicle as a charger only for YEARS. Finally someone with some actual talent is doing it. After giving this a lot of thought. I believe that any vehicle that is doing "WORK" will be ICE/E (ICE over E) unless there is a massive change in battery tech that doubles the range at LEAST. There still might be some place for Tesla Semi, but the majority of systems would benefit from the efficiency....even over the road trucks. I see the Ramcharger doing great, the new Scout being an awesome alternative to the Rivian and I fully expect the next version of the Powerboost F150 to be ICE/E. Passenger vehicles will likely go all EV, but anything that has to tow or was intended to pull weight.... will be true hybrid. LOVE the project...cant wait until you start recruiting installers because Ill be interested!
"any vehicle that is doing WORK will be ICE unless there is a massive change in battery tech" is just absurd nonsense. There is a lot of commercial applications where BEVs have more than enough energy capacity to get the job done. Trash Trucks, Delivery Vans, Mining vehicle, City Bus, local municipal service trucks mostly things that are never far from home base. This is where real work commercial vehicle will shine as BEVs. There is no need for hybrids in those cases. Now anything that has to travel a long distance away or into the middle of nowhere that is where Series Hybrids is the correct tool for the job. You have to be more specific with what the vehicle is being used for.
@@Neojhun cool. I disagree with your absurd nonsense. Thanks
I hope they finish inventing "solid state" batteries before my 2011 Leaf needs a second battery replacement in around 2031.
Another promising technology that they have not finished inventing yet is room-temperature Lithium-Sulphur batteries.
Both technologies should let you at least double range, with the same weight.
@@jamesphillips2285 solid state is definitely the holy Grail... because of short recharge times... But any new chemistry that enables greater density without speeding up charging just makes the full charge time longer. Sure you get 500 miles a charge but now it takes 45 min to get that 500 miles..
@@LeeWinkler If you are driving 5 hours straight: you may be due for a meal break.
But that is an edge case. Most vehicles spend 90% of their time parked. They can easily charge overnight on level 2 AC charging.
The grid needs only minor upgrades to accommodate this: since it can already handle the supper hour peak, which draws about the same amount of power as an overnight EV charge.
I really hope I can commission the DeBoss Garage team to build my dream F450 SRW diesel-electric monster once my Edison Motors conversion kit is available for installation. 🤩
We would hope to be the main shop in Ontario for these kits and custom builds.
@@DEBOSSGARAGE our home-base is near Rochester, NY... I'll be in touch once I get notice of my kit availability. 🤩
Hope this takes off for you
Sure seems like this truck would make for a good military truck. Having a generator and battery available to power shit would get rid of a lot of the generators we used to shlep around.
Hmmm im thinking a Midsize tow pig (say a nice old K50 cab, extended frame that could hold a Bolt, and a 5th wheel to tow a 45" trailer. ) add in the ability to power the rv from the main battery and charge the bolt this would make a great rig.
Thank you
Vehicle to home power would be awesome in a power outage. I'm planning an overlander now.
Lets go! More pickup update!!
I bet for just a pickup truck, everything can be streamlined down to just fit in a bed mounted toolbox. I just hope Deboss labels the fuses, unlike Ford 😂.
They've talked about doing this, all the controllers in a fake box in the bed of the truck.
The real advatage to operators, is in how the EV driveline puts power to the ground. No surges with gear changes and no time where is coasting with a missed gear, and it's easy to add more axles or use trailer axles as auxiliary drive axles, and have traction control systems keep the trailers safetly in line, and be able to apply more regen braking where it can stabilise a line of trailers under braking.
Hoping to put this in my 3500 Chevy cutaway trucks.
I am really interested in building out both 2002 and 2003 Cummins trucks. I already build with LiFePO4 and offgrid stuff... cant wait boys.
you got $120k?
Deboss sunday and it's edison!! An AC battery would basically be a flywheel on a generator, it's been done and is actually still available in new technology ways. Think 15tons spinning at 8000rpm in a vacuum, attached to a generator. It was on a bus, in small scale in the 60's? cant remember.
This really could be the ultimate welding rig.
That will be one of the main customers. Imagine not towing an extra engine everywhere tu go and having to listen to an engine all day
Farmers love right to repair!!!
Can you use those batterys on truck to weld with??
Yes they are planning to make a system for that. The voltage control part of the welder can likely be made to run from the same power as the motors.
Yes, do as much as you can to ensure safety for people working on these in the future. Look for weird points of failure that could make normally safe spots on the truck dangerous like a live wire. Consider where stuff might catch fire and what materials will make toxic fumes and if they could fill the cab. Get as many opinions as you can from lawyers and professionals in EV safety and get yourself set legally with all the warning signs and clearly labeled procedures and such. I hope you guys get these trucks out there eventually.
can not wait to stuff this into my 1987 toyota pickup 4x4 !! turn that 22r into a generator lol
So stoked for this
Im glad your doing different stuff. Its all great content. After this big truck and small truck stuff. I hope you turn your eyes on farmers. Repowering some of these large tractors and combines.
I'm looking to build a mid to late 1970s Ford F-600 or F-700 into a full time 4x4 mechanic/welder/service truck with a crane and all the goodies. I'm interested in the Edison technology for that sort of medium duty application
What annoys me (nothing against you, love the work) is you guys will sell this retrofit kit for old trucks before any big company sells range extended electric heavy duty truck. Even the ram ramcharger will be a 1500 class. GM could easily take their compact new 3.0 duramax and stick it under the hood of a 3500 and use it as a generator. It would easily do 100-150kw and up to like 200kw in a pinch, and the amount of space and weight under a 3500 without a transmission, tcase, and drive shaft would allow for a good size battery. Plus the whole timing chain that you need to drop the trans for would be way less of a concern if it was a generator it was bolted to and not a 10 speed trans, significantly less weight and less stuff to disassemble.
Nice job guys way more than I thought. I thought it was run on Milwaukee batteries.
Just the seats are planned to run on Milwaukee
Absolutely loving it🎉🎉
Yes, finally, keep these initiatives coming ! Maybe the next innovation could be; swap the Diesel engine for a Cummins Hydrogen engine and the truck will be entirely emission-free !
We don't care what spins the generator, but will stick with diesel as we can make that work reliably and cheaply
@@DEBOSSGARAGE For now, I'd say yes. Just park the idea of a Cummins Hydrogen engine somewhere in your mind. Cummins is making reliable engines for a very long time now. So are their Hydrogens engines: reliable. These are non-experimental engines, These are engines ready for the job ;-) So maybe not for now, but for the (near) future.