I test drove one and decided to trade my 2020 Ranger Wildtrak for the Rogue. I’m not that into the tech of the new Ranger but the Hilux reliability reputation has won me over
@@DaveoAU yes I did although it was a Bi-turbo not the V6. Big improvement from the previous model but the tech and digital display screens aren’t my thing
My old 2011 2.5 4x2 Hilux is still running good with 500,000++ km . Heavily used in construction with No engine and suspension issues. Durability, load capacity and availability of parts everywhere in the Philippines makes the Hilux the No1 choice and No1 in sales. My new 1 is the 2020 Hilux Conquest 4x2.
It's marine grade carpet and hence nothing like what you would find in a bathroom. I think it's a fantastic idea especially as you can put all your luggage in their and not worry about sliding around too much
It depends on the use you are making of the vehicle indeed. They should give you a choice. If it were up to me, there would be no carpet at all, not even on the floors. They are really hard to clean up.
@Dylan Sands believe it or not but most people DONT carry loose sand and dirt in their style side ute. They just don't. Also this "carpet" is a bed rug that is non-reactive, hard wearing, oil and stain resistant and mould resistant. It's tough as hell. If you really want to carry dirt for some reason, the tub isn't very large you could just lay a tarp.
Toyota is like Apple, they roll out new features and upgrades slower than competitors, but they do it right, whereas Ford etc rush in and make a lot of changes without properly testing them and then do recalls.
Yeah rolled out those DPF issues nice and slow. How many motors did they manage to fuck up before the owned their mistake? Toyota just coast on their reputation while other manufacturers push the segment further.
300 series intake manifold and snorkle not sealed properly. Dust gets into engine, turbo bearings gone. $17 000 repair on a 5 years old car. And that's if you don't go into deep water, otherwise, water gets into the engine at the base of the snorkle straight into the engine. But you are right, no recall.
I have just purchased one, Easily the best Hilux to date thanks Paul for the great review I never knew how great the update was until this popped up on my RUclips feed 👍🏼
Talked to few people in Australian regional, asked them what ute they prefer, they said no other brands have yet to built like the quality and reliability of a toyota
In South Africa, we have been treated to a special derivative. Gazoo Racing Sport (GR-S) with 165 KW & 550 NM. The carpeted bakkie tray is a total no for me. It should be rubberized with at least 7mm coating.
Purchased a new Rogue a couple of weeks back. Very impressed with the enhancements (vs a 2020 Rugged X). Drive is far superior. Biggest surprise was no price increase!
Had my Rogue for a few weeks now and it has been awesome. My only complaint is the jolty lane keeping assist which I've turned off. It will be good for long highway runs though if I'm worried about falling asleep.
I love the carpet in the tray, I don’t carry anything really abrasive just camping, shopping, fishing gear and the odd Bunnings trip, and I think that is what its designed for, I hope Toyota keep the carpet on next gen
Now that Toyota has lot of cars based on TNGA platform, I think Toyota is developing the successor, therefore you'll see lack of changes on the interior and dashboard. Toyota has TNGA-F platform which can be accommodated for a pickup truck like Hilux.
I am a picture framer and love the idea of the carpet in the tub plus the security of the roller top. The wide wheel base would enhance towing of my caravan. I reckon that there could be a Rogue in my future.
They have certainly thrown some mechanical updates at it. Actually I don’t mind that marine carpet in the tray, I put some on top of my spray in bed to stop stuff slipping around, so not as silly as it first looks in my opinion.
Great review Paul. This ute remains the King esp here in Afrika. As utes get more techie I worry as here in Afrika very few countries will have the tech support needed. So the Hilux and its brothers the 70 Series are good for us when they leg behind on tech.
Have had one for over 12 months. The Android car play is really good, and the maps and voice command work great. The carpet in the back is really good. It stops all your luggage sliding around, and you take it out when you need to. The push button roller tub cover is very good. The ride is really nice. I prefer to drive it on trips than my merc. Breaking is really good with all-around discs. Fuel efficiency has been 10.3 ltte per 100 combined. On highway ive had it down to 9.8 sitting on 115kph. Beach driving is great with 15psi front 16psi rear. Towing my jayco pop top with it is very easy. With full load in tub and van fully wet and loaded. I was watching a car designer talk the other day on RUclips. He summed it up very well. The simpler the car, the longer it lasts. You don't need the diff lock. Traction control works very well. Put a set of all terrains on it, and it is very good. I dont like the hand brake. It rolls forward a little bit when you come off the brake. You have to be wary of it.
The wider tryrw track and flares are a great improvement on what was getting old . It always looked slim and under fed until now. The Hilux however is screaming for a new interior and tech upgrade. Need the new generation now. That will be nice
Agreed the wider track is great, but Toyota have fallen for the old mistake of taking the cheap & nasty way out with too many stick-on plastic body bulges.
I don’t hate the carpet idea. I wouldn’t have it in my ute but I can see why it would be of benefit for those using as a long boot family sedan. Good to see Toyota reacting to the market leader, the next gen can’t come soon enough for them.
Carpet is a great idea. Stops scratches using basic things like suitecases etc, ease to knee on, can put a swag on. Easy to add a rubber mat if you want. I mean is not a tradie version aka SR5 is it?
the pricing in Aussie is insane, here in New Zealand this hilux (rogue/cruiser) is 64k, while a v6 ranger wildtrak is 82,500, so $18k cheaper. but damn only 1k cheaper in Aussie??? crazy
Yeah, noticed that. Not sure why there's such a large difference in price here in NZ. Recently my dad went out shopping for a new truck. He test drove the Hilux SR5 Crusier (Rouge) and V6 Wildtrak, he ended up getting the Ford. The SR5 Cruiser is quite a good deal I'd say, just wished it had an engine to compete with Ford's V6.
Totally agree with you about the carpet. I had the previous model rogue about changed to a rugged x this year. Tub liner in the rugged is so much more practical. Toyota should have fitted the centre led light bar from the rugged onto the rogue, looks like it already has the cutout in the front bumper for it. Excited for the rugged replacement.
Strongly disagree about the carpet. It's extremely useful, it keeps objects from sliding around. No one is carrying loose dirt or gravel or compost around in any style side ute let alone a ute that has a roller cover so let's stop pretending. I've been using my Rogue tray for carting large boxes and groceries, pet supplies and garden equipment and it is has been great. Very easy to clean too. If you're wanting a different tray liner the carpet comes out very easily, it's only attached by Velcro.
Depends what your using it for. I've found the heavy duty carpet extremely useful. Items don't slide around as much or get damaged or scratched. How many people are buying their Rogues as a tradies vehicle? Not many! And the ones who are usually remove the tub and install a tray with steel canopy or racks.
The GR Hilux has been released in South Africa. Has everything this one has but with increased power output. Wen't from 150kw to 165kw and more torque as well. Same engine but just tuned to give better performance
Sick of seeing this old overpriced ute tbh, it really needs a new generation to justify how much they’re charging for it. At this stage pick up a used 2016 model and you’ll notice how barely anything has changed in 6-7 years.
@@daweigo6851 same over the ditch, I believe it's a branding thing... having that proven Toyota badge seems to make it pricey despite the ageing platform
@@daweigo6851 because when you are out the bush bogged or you’re crossing a flooded river, no one cares about how fancy your adaptive cruise control is. Just want reliability that’s the car you buy
5:13 my 2014 Amarok has a BedRug in the back of it, same with my dad’s 2022 W580 Amarok (both are paired with a canopy). For us it’s mainly because our dog rides in the back of the bed, as well as not scratching the bed. Carpet in a Ute bed isn’t a bad idea, it depends on your use case on whether it’s a good idea or not
I’d would really like to see Toyota Racing Development (TRD) arrive in Australia. It would definitely ruffle feathers in multiple car classes. Things like the Camry TRD, Tacoma, Tundra & 4Runner. Or maybe even a GR Hilux or Hilux TRD Pro.
So I'm Canadian, we have a fair amount of SUVs here, I drive a CX-30, but nothing compared to the dual cab utes like you have in Australia. Kinda shocked on that as we do have a lot of remote areas in Canada.
I bet you aren’t paying $175 thousand for an F150, all we have is small pickups for just under $100 grand, otherwise Ram, Chevy, Ford Ranger Raptor, F 150, anything from $109 thousand to $200 thousand bucks. Most imported as left hand drive from factory and pulled apart and rebuilt here in oz. We are robbed blind.
toyotas last forever, they find something that works and stick with it, theyve always been that way and is probably why they are the worlds number one automotive manufacturer
Thanks again Paul - although I’m quite happy with my 2010 diesel Hilux this new Rogue version brings promise for the next Gen competitor for the new Ford Ranger - the wider track has definitely improved handling despite the hopping - so it’s a step in the right direction with larger disc rotors but get rid of the silly impractical tub carpet - I expect a larger body, V6 diesel for towing, Rogue specs and more attention to rear cup holders etc and tailgate assistance will help to improve a good ute - fire engine red duco for me please.
I've had 8 Toyota's, a number of Suzuki's, Subaru's and an Isuzu. The Toyota's have all had things go wrong on them. Had barely an issue with the others. And the resale is simply a reflection on what you are paying upfront.
nice review I’ve got one of these 23 rogues in Saturn blue (12000 kms in 3 months and it’s a dream. It drives great. The interior is dated I admit but I not one to fuss. My best mate has a 23 raptor and I’ll admit my hilux just doesn’t compete in driving dynamics and features. But throwing on a set of falken wild peaks instead of those horrible grandtrek road tyres it is just the best off-road. I just don’t like how the locking diff is only in 4 low. But to conclude if the raptor didn’t have a 2 year wait list I would have gotten one but having lived with the hilux and never stressing over reliability and haven’t regretted my choice + it’s great to live with ( I am 19 so a ride isn’t that big of an issue). An assisted tailgate would be nice tho as I use I’d a lot for work and opening and closing the tailgate while holding materials is tough. Great review
For that price, they should be doing better with the interior and screen. Its a real turn-off for me. However, I love the colours they are offering the exterior in.
I honestly don’t reckon the carpet is a bad option. I know it’s not for everybody it’s not practical if you’re using it for work and carrying wood and stuff in the back of your Ute but this is the (top of the line) and I reckon most people will be carrying golf clubs or a surfboard which the carpet is probably a better option then standard plastic tub liner
Im not big on Toyota or Ford but to me personally if I could afford these crazy prices the Ford V6 would be what I take home. Kudos to Toyota to try and improve the older model but the V6 has just moved the game to far ahead, thats if its reliable 😜😜
The wheel arch cladding isn't to protect the wheel from debris, but to protect pedestrians from being hit by the wheel and dragged under it. Try registering a vehicle in Australia with protruding wheels.
I see a lot of people rave about the tank lining (BedRug) but I think there will be an odor problem, if not cleaned regularly. In Vietnam we often use plastic pads. You can copy the keyword: Tấm lót thùng hilux . Sorry I'm not good at English
If you have a cam, let it be a good one, if ypu have LED lights, they should be good one ... No one excpects from Hillux to be as name says "lux", but some basic tech in 21 century is "must".
Aussies are tall, over 6 foot, why can't Toyota give the hilux more driver leg room. Also, they need to increase suspension height and start building around a 33inch tyre. Start building the hilux as a custom style direct from the factory and also increase engine power and litreage. The dash and the display is bloody ugly and looks after market Stop being so conservative and spend some extra money.
Good day Paul, first of all I like to say I value your expertise when it comes to 4x4 utes, and watched most of you tests and comparisons over the last 12 months, thanks for doing that by the way, there are a lot of us that really need some good advice, and yes you are the one I would ask. Ok, having said that,,,I am currently looking at buying a new Hilux, preferably a Rougue,,,yes I have looked at the Nissan Warrior and Ford Ranger Raptor,,,I am really having a hard time deciding what step to take next,,,I love the Raptor,,,but then, I am thinking about the servicing cost and maintenance in comparison to the vehicles I just mentioned, ,,,,I am retiring within the next few months and I really would love your advice. My plans for 2024 are to explore Cape York, then head west from there towards W.A., the plan is to explore and enjoy the outback, my main concern is the cost in regards to servicing and maintaining,,,I really need a break down between the Hilux Rougue, the Ford Raptor and Nissan Warrior, I understand you are busy guy Paul, but any advice would be appreciated, And most of all I love watching your reviews, I know it helps me and others have a better understanding,,,thanks mate, all the best for 2024
@@nebuchadnezzar9641 yup, I was a die hard GM guy back in the day but then I realised I needed to do actual research on what was best for me.. my last 4 cars have been Kia's.. never would have said that ten years ago.
Exciting Paul about the 2023 Hilux it did well you said it needs do you have technology and drive train and don’t forget about the design of the ninth gen Hilux Will it beatFord Ranger or not
I just know that because you love the new Ford Ranger that it kills you to try talk good about any other UTE hahaha. I love it! Thanks for another great video. Ranger Raptor will always be the no.1 I can't wait for the new one to be released in Ireland!
2021 2.8 auto, x-cab, invincible with a canopy and 400 kg in the tray and I can average 9-9.2\100km city/hwy. Exclude highway and only country roads = 7.6 - 8.8.
Great review. Collect mine tomorrow after 9 months...long wait but your review confirms that the change should definitely be worth it. Maxxis AT's going on. Just need ARB to get their accessories sorted.
Great Review, good upgrade to rest of its class but interior 2010. They upgraded the suspension, track,rear brakes, what about the GCM & GVM values? Can it really tow 3500kg, maybe it’s the carpet that lets it. I think this is test mule for next gen as previous Toyotas, small increments then change the body & frame.
Try getting a V 6 wild track under $85 k some dealers charging over $100 k and some rouge dealers wanting $95 k real money ordered mine for $73 on road with a few accessories all overpriced though
Just recently my dad picked up a V6 Wildtrak. Was $85k (NZD) with a couple accessories. The Hilux Rouge (SR5 Cruiser for us in NZ), is roughly around $65k, though.
Not practical mate. This update was merely a desperate attempt by Toyota to pacify Toyota fanboys not to jump ship after Ford released its current Ranger. Just look at the upgrades and you will see it was just a cut and paste from the new RANGER's design features. Toyota hopes that it will keep current fanboys happy until it can produce the next generation hilux. It is therefore not financially viable for Toyota to overspend on the upgrade whose only purpose is to carry the torch until the real Ranger challenger will be released in two years time.
@@chriscross2209 yeah I get that but these sort of minor tinkers are barely worth it. If people like the existing car stick with it until you can do a proper change. Wide stances with wheels sticking out beyond the body are ridiculous and have the risk of being dangerous even with the plastic wheel arch. They’ve had so much time to improve the hilux over covid and this is an insult. They should save the money, keep the Ute cheap for people that need it and develop a proper improved model. Toyota seem to have gotten lazy imo.
Hey Paul, if you put the DAC on and then put it in S1 (push the gear shifter right and pull down to S1) & in H4 the car will crawl down much slower, not sure why it doesn't hold it slower in full auto but it can go slower in h4. Found that out whilst sliding down an icy hill recently, thank god it works, saved me :D
I wonder if this Hulix, is using the next generation TNGA chassis, which explains the wider track and changes to the suspension, e.g. the rear damper sitting outward of the chassis rails, which are changes that are not normal for a car still within it’s generation. If this is the case then Toyota is using the Rogue to findi out what journalists think of how the car drives and handles, before releasing the next generation Hilux and make any small changes they need to make that most journalists find in common that they feel could be improved.
Great review champ..Just sold my 2023 Raptor for one of these it's a massive %50 drop in power and tech but %100 increase in reliability.Cant beat Hilux for reliability it's ashame they don't go all out on the pissy 4cyl engine..The Raptor ttv6 is next level fun but won't be long till those turbos let go hauling it's fat 2420kg ass at lightning speed consuming more fuel then a big block chev..
It’s a premium Ute. Carpet is fine it won’t see much use anyway. Good to see disc brakes and wider track but Toyota need a better attempt to bridge the gap with the Raptor and have a more exciting engine.
I used to be an avid Toyota fan but man they are always decades behind in tech and options for the price I don’t get it. You can tell he’s even trying to find positive things to say in this video, even though there’s nothing new at all. I hate to say it but Ford is really listening to their customer, and it’s clear they have delivered that in the new ranger.
The Toyota Hilux is the best selling Ute, Bakkie, Pickup or whatever you want to call it in South Africa, Australia, Philippines and Thailand. Probably Japan as well but I don't have that info. Toyota South Africa sold close to six thousand units of the Hilux for 2022, which was double what the Ford Ranger sold. It would have been more, if it wasn't for the floods in Durban that destroyed the factory and halted production for over four months. There's a reason why buyers love Toyota!!
Why would a carpet be bad in a ute? Lets say you have a tv bought from jbhifi, id prefer carpet than hard plastic. As an example. What to do? Keep the carpet, but have an option when buying the car - with carpet option or without carpet option. Satisfies everyone.
I wonder why Australians prefer the Hilux family over the American Tundra Tacoma , I noticed RUclips clips of Australians fixing cars. Most of them are Hilux
![Chicken P - People's Favorite (Remix) [Feat. 42 Dugg] (Official Video)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/a6Bn8FEtxmY/mqdefault.jpg)
I test drove one and decided to trade my 2020 Ranger Wildtrak for the Rogue. I’m not that into the tech of the new Ranger but the Hilux reliability reputation has won me over
Did you test drive a ranger also?
@@DaveoAU yes I did although it was a Bi-turbo not the V6. Big improvement from the previous model but the tech and digital display screens aren’t my thing
You mean the hilux reliability of faulty dpf and air box’s that don’t seal properly? 🤣
@@nrx963 you obviously haven’t owned a Ranger then. 😂
Agreed my old ranger blew up unfortunately
My old 2011 2.5 4x2 Hilux is still running good with 500,000++ km . Heavily used in construction with No engine and suspension issues. Durability, load capacity and availability of parts everywhere in the Philippines makes the Hilux the No1 choice and No1 in sales. My new 1 is the 2020 Hilux Conquest 4x2.
It's marine grade carpet and hence nothing like what you would find in a bathroom. I think it's a fantastic idea especially as you can put all your luggage in their and not worry about sliding around too much
then you want to transport sand or turf or something....
It depends on the use you are making of the vehicle indeed. They should give you a choice. If it were up to me, there would be no carpet at all, not even on the floors. They are really hard to clean up.
@Dylan Sands believe it or not but most people DONT carry loose sand and dirt in their style side ute. They just don't.
Also this "carpet" is a bed rug that is non-reactive, hard wearing, oil and stain resistant and mould resistant. It's tough as hell. If you really want to carry dirt for some reason, the tub isn't very large you could just lay a tarp.
@@dylansands21 who loads sand in a top spec Ute? Pay someone to deliver it for you!
@@dylansands21 pretty certain you would use a trailer for sand? I'd rather rust out a $2k trailer than a $80k ute .
Toyota is like Apple, they roll out new features and upgrades slower than competitors, but they do it right, whereas Ford etc rush in and make a lot of changes without properly testing them and then do recalls.
Lol. Toyota have no recalls? You sure about that?
Yeah rolled out those DPF issues nice and slow. How many motors did they manage to fuck up before the owned their mistake? Toyota just coast on their reputation while other manufacturers push the segment further.
Toyota Tacoma has had so many recalls it’s not funny
300 series intake manifold and snorkle not sealed properly. Dust gets into engine, turbo bearings gone. $17 000 repair on a 5 years old car. And that's if you don't go into deep water, otherwise, water gets into the engine at the base of the snorkle straight into the engine.
But you are right, no recall.
Apple is way more premium. Toyota is like Samsung. Sometimes it blows up.
Carpet in the tray is a great idea. Good sound deadening for when things are sliding about 👍🏻
Sand has entered the chat
Absolutely. And your groceries stay put!!
12:22 do the rear ac vents blow good amount of air?
Just picked up my new rouge. For me it’s a big upgrade from my 2019 rouge. Loving the new hilux rouge
I have just purchased one, Easily the best Hilux to date thanks Paul for the great review I never knew how great the update was until this popped up on my RUclips feed 👍🏼
Talked to few people in Australian regional, asked them what ute they prefer, they said no other brands have yet to built like the quality and reliability of a toyota
Isuzu Dmax is extremely reliable awesome engines
"yawn" and these people have only ever driven toyota
In South Africa, we have been treated to a special derivative. Gazoo Racing Sport (GR-S) with 165 KW & 550 NM. The carpeted bakkie tray is a total no for me. It should be rubberized with at least 7mm coating.
But that is still less than the old Amarok, have a power of close or 190kw and 500Nm.
Purchased a new Rogue a couple of weeks back. Very impressed with the enhancements (vs a 2020 Rugged X). Drive is far superior. Biggest surprise was no price increase!
how's the ride, was it bumpy?
Had my Rogue for a few weeks now and it has been awesome. My only complaint is the jolty lane keeping assist which I've turned off. It will be good for long highway runs though if I'm worried about falling asleep.
@@gutadin5 yes, fyi it is bumpy as toyota upgraded the suspension for off road reason.
12:22 do the rear ac vents blow good amount of air?
I love the carpet in the tray, I don’t carry anything really abrasive just camping, shopping, fishing gear and the odd Bunnings trip, and I think that is what its designed for, I hope Toyota keep the carpet on next gen
yeah i agree but it’ll be cool if there’s an option for carpet or the standard tray
@@zac9155that would be way better
Hilux always my dream car love it 😊
That’s a good looking rig with the increased width, front end looks great. A shame the tech is so out dated. Great review as alway Paul.👍
Now that Toyota has lot of cars based on TNGA platform, I think Toyota is developing the successor, therefore you'll see lack of changes on the interior and dashboard. Toyota has TNGA-F platform which can be accommodated for a pickup truck like Hilux.
Sell your hilux and go buy a Ford ranger
12:22 do the rear ac vents blow good amount of air?
In terms of interiors Toyota really is one of the most unadventurous car manufacturers out there.
Thanks Paul. Finally the review is here and is the best yet again
I am a picture framer and love the idea of the carpet in the tub plus the security of the roller top. The wide wheel base would enhance towing of my caravan. I reckon that there could be a Rogue in my future.
I hope I get one of these one day. Dream car!
They have certainly thrown some mechanical updates at it. Actually I don’t mind that marine carpet in the tray, I put some on top of my spray in bed to stop stuff slipping around, so not as silly as it first looks in my opinion.
Great review Paul. This ute remains the King esp here in Afrika. As utes get more techie I worry as here in Afrika very few countries will have the tech support needed. So the Hilux and its brothers the 70 Series are good for us when they leg behind on tech.
toyotas are number one everywhere for good reason, the taliban virtually defeated the worlds greatest army with hiluxs and ak 47's
Have had one for over 12 months. The Android car play is really good, and the maps and voice command work great. The carpet in the back is really good. It stops all your luggage sliding around, and you take it out when you need to. The push button roller tub cover is very good. The ride is really nice. I prefer to drive it on trips than my merc. Breaking is really good with all-around discs. Fuel efficiency has been 10.3 ltte per 100 combined. On highway ive had it down to 9.8 sitting on 115kph. Beach driving is great with 15psi front 16psi rear. Towing my jayco pop top with it is very easy. With full load in tub and van fully wet and loaded. I was watching a car designer talk the other day on RUclips. He summed it up very well. The simpler the car, the longer it lasts. You don't need the diff lock. Traction control works very well. Put a set of all terrains on it, and it is very good. I dont like the hand brake. It rolls forward a little bit when you come off the brake. You have to be wary of it.
The wider tryrw track and flares are a great improvement on what was getting old . It always looked slim and under fed until now. The Hilux however is screaming for a new interior and tech upgrade. Need the new generation now. That will be nice
Agreed the wider track is great, but Toyota have fallen for the old mistake of taking the cheap & nasty way out with too many stick-on plastic body bulges.
12:22 do the rear ac vents blow good amount of air?
I don’t hate the carpet idea. I wouldn’t have it in my ute but I can see why it would be of benefit for those using as a long boot family sedan. Good to see Toyota reacting to the market leader, the next gen can’t come soon enough for them.
They have carpet on boats?
@@rudiger86 They do.
12:22 do the rear ac vents blow good amount of air?
They can widen the track of a random limited edition hilux, but can't haven't been able to widen the rear track of the 70 series V8 for over 15 years
70 doesn’t have any real competition so they don’t have to 😂
Carpet is a great idea. Stops scratches using basic things like suitecases etc, ease to knee on, can put a swag on. Easy to add a rubber mat if you want. I mean is not a tradie version aka SR5 is it?
Carpets make sense in terms of keeping the load from sliding around like on the hard plastic liner. Like the wider body look.
Carpet in the back probably suppresses the road noise to a degree, but totally inappropriate for any Australian application/environment.
the pricing in Aussie is insane, here in New Zealand this hilux (rogue/cruiser) is 64k, while a v6 ranger wildtrak is 82,500, so $18k cheaper. but damn only 1k cheaper in Aussie??? crazy
Yeah, noticed that. Not sure why there's such a large difference in price here in NZ. Recently my dad went out shopping for a new truck. He test drove the Hilux SR5 Crusier (Rouge) and V6 Wildtrak, he ended up getting the Ford. The SR5 Cruiser is quite a good deal I'd say, just wished it had an engine to compete with Ford's V6.
@@dallasfrost1996 ITS ABOUT 76K IN AUS WITHOUT EXTRAS (10% GST)
12:22 do the rear ac vents blow good amount of air?
Totally agree with you about the carpet. I had the previous model rogue about changed to a rugged x this year. Tub liner in the rugged is so much more practical. Toyota should have fitted the centre led light bar from the rugged onto the rogue, looks like it already has the cutout in the front bumper for it. Excited for the rugged replacement.
Strongly disagree about the carpet. It's extremely useful, it keeps objects from sliding around. No one is carrying loose dirt or gravel or compost around in any style side ute let alone a ute that has a roller cover so let's stop pretending.
I've been using my Rogue tray for carting large boxes and groceries, pet supplies and garden equipment and it is has been great. Very easy to clean too. If you're wanting a different tray liner the carpet comes out very easily, it's only attached by Velcro.
12:22 do the rear ac vents blow good amount of air?
Depends what your using it for. I've found the heavy duty carpet extremely useful. Items don't slide around as much or get damaged or scratched. How many people are buying their Rogues as a tradies vehicle? Not many! And the ones who are usually remove the tub and install a tray with steel canopy or racks.
@@SunFlower-ts9owyes!
The GR Hilux has been released in South Africa. Has everything this one has but with increased power output. Wen't from 150kw to 165kw and more torque as well. Same engine but just tuned to give better performance
Sick of seeing this old overpriced ute tbh, it really needs a new generation to justify how much they’re charging for it. At this stage pick up a used 2016 model and you’ll notice how barely anything has changed in 6-7 years.
I agree. But people keep buying it
Yet, still Australia top selling vehicle...I don't understand why....
@@daweigo6851 same over the ditch, I believe it's a branding thing... having that proven Toyota badge seems to make it pricey despite the ageing platform
Some people dont like changes
@@daweigo6851 because when you are out the bush bogged or you’re crossing a flooded river, no one cares about how fancy your adaptive cruise control is. Just want reliability that’s the car you buy
Def needs an update interior. However they are reliable as hell, and have good resale value.
Fit for purpose.
Can’t really go wrong with a Toyota.
5:13 my 2014 Amarok has a BedRug in the back of it, same with my dad’s 2022 W580 Amarok (both are paired with a canopy). For us it’s mainly because our dog rides in the back of the bed, as well as not scratching the bed. Carpet in a Ute bed isn’t a bad idea, it depends on your use case on whether it’s a good idea or not
I’d would really like to see Toyota Racing Development (TRD) arrive in Australia. It would definitely ruffle feathers in multiple car classes. Things like the Camry TRD, Tacoma, Tundra & 4Runner. Or maybe even a GR Hilux or Hilux TRD Pro.
I think TRD is eventually going to be phased out in favour of GRsport brand.
I have seen plenty of TRD W16 Quad turbo Camrys here. They are call Ubers. They go at incredible speeds in all sorts of traffic.
12:22 do the rear ac vents blow good amount of air?
So I'm Canadian, we have a fair amount of SUVs here, I drive a CX-30, but nothing compared to the dual cab utes like you have in Australia. Kinda shocked on that as we do have a lot of remote areas in Canada.
I bet you aren’t paying $175 thousand for an F150, all we have is small pickups for just under $100 grand, otherwise Ram, Chevy, Ford Ranger Raptor, F 150, anything from $109 thousand to $200 thousand bucks. Most imported as left hand drive from factory and pulled apart and rebuilt here in oz. We are robbed blind.
toyotas last forever, they find something that works and stick with it, theyve always been that way and is probably why they are the worlds number one automotive manufacturer
Thanks again Paul - although I’m quite happy with my 2010 diesel Hilux this new Rogue version brings promise for the next Gen competitor for the new Ford Ranger - the wider track has definitely improved handling despite the hopping - so it’s a step in the right direction with larger disc rotors but get rid of the silly impractical tub carpet - I expect a larger body, V6 diesel for towing, Rogue specs and more attention to rear cup holders etc and tailgate assistance will help to improve a good ute - fire engine red duco for me please.
I've had 8 Toyota's, a number of Suzuki's, Subaru's and an Isuzu. The Toyota's have all had things go wrong on them. Had barely an issue with the others.
And the resale is simply a reflection on what you are paying upfront.
nice review I’ve got one of these 23 rogues in Saturn blue (12000 kms in 3 months and it’s a dream. It drives great. The interior is dated I admit but I not one to fuss. My best mate has a 23 raptor and I’ll admit my hilux just doesn’t compete in driving dynamics and features. But throwing on a set of falken wild peaks instead of those horrible grandtrek road tyres it is just the best off-road. I just don’t like how the locking diff is only in 4 low. But to conclude if the raptor didn’t have a 2 year wait list I would have gotten one but having lived with the hilux and never stressing over reliability and haven’t regretted my choice + it’s great to live with ( I am 19 so a ride isn’t that big of an issue). An assisted tailgate would be nice tho as I use I’d a lot for work and opening and closing the tailgate while holding materials is tough.
Great review
U own a 23 rouge? Aren't they 78k drive away? 19 year old ..wow nice
For that price, they should be doing better with the interior and screen. Its a real turn-off for me. However, I love the colours they are offering the exterior in.
I honestly don’t reckon the carpet is a bad option. I know it’s not for everybody it’s not practical if you’re using it for work and carrying wood and stuff in the back of your Ute but this is the (top of the line) and I reckon most people will be carrying golf clubs or a surfboard which the carpet is probably a better option then standard plastic tub liner
I like the carpet in the tray
And this test is so important for a work vehicle...... what a DH.
I have marine grade carpet in my garage..best thing ever..fan of it in this rouge for what I'd use it for.
I believe the carpet adds on beauty and reduces on noise.
Im not big on Toyota or Ford but to me personally if I could afford these crazy prices the Ford V6 would be what I take home. Kudos to Toyota to try and improve the older model but the V6 has just moved the game to far ahead, thats if its reliable 😜😜
Look up “bedrugs” Paul very popular in the US trucks. It’s a plastic system carpet that’s oil, dirt, fuel “proof” material. I had one there great.
The wheel arch cladding isn't to protect the wheel from debris, but to protect pedestrians from being hit by the wheel and dragged under it. Try registering a vehicle in Australia with protruding wheels.
19:25 - see a sneaky Jimny hiding in the background there....
The navara, hilux and triton need to bring out a new generation. They’re wayyy too expensive for an old ute
I see a lot of people rave about the tank lining (BedRug) but I think there will be an odor problem, if not cleaned regularly. In Vietnam we often use plastic pads. You can copy the keyword: Tấm lót thùng hilux . Sorry I'm not good at English
Great Reviews!
I love the carpet. I carpeted my old BT50 for the dog to ride in the back .
This will be the last real bakkie, all else will be modern softies with too
much entertainment gadgetry. Great review. Mine on order
If you have a cam, let it be a good one, if ypu have LED lights, they should be good one ... No one excpects from Hillux to be as name says "lux", but some basic tech in 21 century is "must".
Excellent review - you covered the content very well. Thanks Paul and well done!
wider track, outboard shocks and rear disc brakes are actually a big deal, imagine the cost to mod that yourself
Be good to have expected current wait times from dealer in the vids
Pavl..will this new wider track model rogue will pass the moose test?as we all know hilux fail this test before with standard track..
With the updated Prado coming i won't be surprised if the interior of the Hilux gets a huge revamp to look similar to that style of interior.
Aussies are tall, over 6 foot, why can't Toyota give the hilux more driver leg room. Also, they need to increase suspension height and start building around a 33inch tyre. Start building the hilux as a custom style direct from the factory and also increase engine power and litreage.
The dash and the display is bloody ugly and looks after market
Stop being so conservative and spend some extra money.
is it just me or does it look like a strut spacer at 2:22min rather than a longer strut to allow for the wider track force?
Good day Paul, first of all I like to say I value your expertise when it comes to 4x4 utes, and watched most of you tests and comparisons over the last 12 months, thanks for doing that by the way, there are a lot of us that really need some good advice, and yes you are the one I would ask.
Ok, having said that,,,I am currently looking at buying a new Hilux, preferably a Rougue,,,yes I have looked at the Nissan Warrior and Ford Ranger Raptor,,,I am really having a hard time deciding what step to take next,,,I love the Raptor,,,but then, I am thinking about the servicing cost and maintenance in comparison to the vehicles I just mentioned, ,,,,I am retiring within the next few months and I really would love your advice.
My plans for 2024 are to explore Cape York, then head west from there towards W.A., the plan is to explore and enjoy the outback, my main concern is the cost in regards to servicing and maintaining,,,I really need a break down between the Hilux Rougue, the Ford Raptor and Nissan Warrior,
I understand you are busy guy Paul, but any advice would be appreciated, And most of all I love watching your reviews, I know it helps me and others have a better understanding,,,thanks mate, all the best for 2024
Toyota need to lift their game for sure.. who's gonna spend 70 g's on that.
A lot of people interestingly, hilux's are strong sellers.
People who fall for the marketing hype about Toyotas being unbreakable and have too much money to waste.
@@nebuchadnezzar9641 yup, I was a die hard GM guy back in the day but then I realised I needed to do actual research on what was best for me.. my last 4 cars have been Kia's.. never would have said that ten years ago.
Too much money from the real estate game..
I think the carpet is a clever idea because it protects the bin
A brilliant video
Throughly enjoyed that
Hilux looks so much better than the rest of the utes…still my favourite.
Great review, thank you!
It needed the cruiser300 tdv6 in it with fox shocks and a update screen with digital instrument cluster
Exciting Paul about the 2023 Hilux it did well you said it needs do you have technology and drive train and don’t forget about the design of the ninth gen Hilux Will it beatFord Ranger or not
Great thorough review, thanks!
I just know that because you love the new Ford Ranger that it kills you to try talk good about any other UTE hahaha. I love it! Thanks for another great video. Ranger Raptor will always be the no.1 I can't wait for the new one to be released in Ireland!
2021 2.8 auto, x-cab, invincible with a canopy and 400 kg in the tray and I can average 9-9.2\100km city/hwy.
Exclude highway and only country roads = 7.6 - 8.8.
Do a comparison with the new wildtrak
The Rogue is pretty looking good.
What a awesome 👌 pick up love it
Pretty sure the flared guards are to stop stuff flicking up off the tyre not to protect the tyre 😂
It's also illegal in NSW to have the wheels extend beyond the wheel arches, Flared gaurds solve that 👍
Great review. Collect mine tomorrow after 9 months...long wait but your review confirms that the change should definitely be worth it. Maxxis AT's going on. Just need ARB to get their accessories sorted.
Would be great to see if cars have remote windows in your reviews! Something I use all the time 😂
Great Review, good upgrade to rest of its class but interior 2010. They upgraded the suspension, track,rear brakes, what about the GCM & GVM values? Can it really tow 3500kg, maybe it’s the carpet that lets it.
I think this is test mule for next gen as previous Toyotas, small increments then change the body & frame.
Try getting a V 6 wild track under $85 k some dealers charging over $100 k and some rouge dealers wanting $95 k real money ordered mine for $73 on road with a few accessories all overpriced though
Did you get the wildtrack with pp pack and what colour do you get. 👍
@@paultabone2010 no got the rouge
@@peterlion690 nice car Toyota make great reliable cars 🚗
Just recently my dad picked up a V6 Wildtrak. Was $85k (NZD) with a couple accessories. The Hilux Rouge (SR5 Cruiser for us in NZ), is roughly around $65k, though.
Something about the hills just seems very old, definitely needs a new generation. Even the px3 ranger looked newer on the interior
If you’re going to make the track wider, why not make the car wider too so you get more space inside?
Exactly mate. All our Utes are too small inside except Americans Utes. They need to have bigger cab and longer bed for proper use
@@simranbanga5467 Not wrong have a 2008 model and no one likes travelling long distance sitting in the back.
Not practical mate. This update was merely a desperate attempt by Toyota to pacify Toyota fanboys not to jump ship after Ford released its current Ranger. Just look at the upgrades and you will see it was just a cut and paste from the new RANGER's design features. Toyota hopes that it will keep current fanboys happy until it can produce the next generation hilux. It is therefore not financially viable for Toyota to overspend on the upgrade whose only purpose is to carry the torch until the real Ranger challenger will be released in two years time.
@@chriscross2209 yeah I get that but these sort of minor tinkers are barely worth it. If people like the existing car stick with it until you can do a proper change. Wide stances with wheels sticking out beyond the body are ridiculous and have the risk of being dangerous even with the plastic wheel arch.
They’ve had so much time to improve the hilux over covid and this is an insult. They should save the money, keep the Ute cheap for people that need it and develop a proper improved model. Toyota seem to have gotten lazy imo.
Hey Paul, if you put the DAC on and then put it in S1 (push the gear shifter right and pull down to S1) & in H4 the car will crawl down much slower, not sure why it doesn't hold it slower in full auto but it can go slower in h4. Found that out whilst sliding down an icy hill recently, thank god it works, saved me :D
wish we could get it in US looks awesome
I wonder if this Hulix, is using the next generation TNGA chassis, which explains the wider track and changes to the suspension, e.g. the rear damper sitting outward of the chassis rails, which are changes that are not normal for a car still within it’s generation. If this is the case then Toyota is using the Rogue to findi out what journalists think of how the car drives and handles, before releasing the next generation Hilux and make any small changes they need to make that most journalists find in common that they feel could be improved.
Paul how about mercedes sprinter or the Volvo?
Having a carpeted tray is no more ridiculous than the people that have no reason to own a ute but buy one anyway.
Jealous?
Toyota has been looking the same way for years they just change the lights and front end abit 😂😂😂 TOYOYA is the iPhone of car industry
Most reviews don't include the G. model 4 by 4 which is only $24,000 plus or minus. BEST BANG 4 THE BUCK.
Thanks for the review
You forgot the cup holders in front of the front air vents
Great review champ..Just sold my 2023 Raptor for one of these it's a massive %50 drop in power and tech but %100 increase in reliability.Cant beat Hilux for reliability it's ashame they don't go all out on the pissy 4cyl engine..The Raptor ttv6 is next level fun but won't be long till those turbos let go hauling it's fat 2420kg ass at lightning speed consuming more fuel then a big block chev..
22:17 Jimny review coming?
Yes!
Wider track was a good improvement. But the over widen plastic fender flares just a lazy work.
It’s a premium Ute. Carpet is fine it won’t see much use anyway. Good to see disc brakes and wider track but Toyota need a better attempt to bridge the gap with the Raptor and have a more exciting engine.
Dam it, i want a Rogue👍
Is it a detuned version of 3.3L V6 going into Hikux GR???
If the track in wider they could’ve made tub fit a pallet.
I used to be an avid Toyota fan but man they are always decades behind in tech and options for the price I don’t get it. You can tell he’s even trying to find positive things to say in this video, even though there’s nothing new at all. I hate to say it but Ford is really listening to their customer, and it’s clear they have delivered that in the new ranger.
The Toyota Hilux is the best selling Ute, Bakkie, Pickup or whatever you want to call it in South Africa, Australia, Philippines and Thailand. Probably Japan as well but I don't have that info. Toyota South Africa sold close to six thousand units of the Hilux for 2022, which was double what the Ford Ranger sold. It would have been more, if it wasn't for the floods in Durban that destroyed the factory and halted production for over four months. There's a reason why buyers love Toyota!!
It’s amazing that Toyota could increase the rear axle width! 😂
Yeah, the 79 is jealous😂
Why would a carpet be bad in a ute?
Lets say you have a tv bought from jbhifi, id prefer carpet than hard plastic.
As an example.
What to do?
Keep the carpet, but have an option when buying the car - with carpet option or without carpet option.
Satisfies everyone.
They should’ve made the rugged X wide like this. Is there a way you can make the rugged x wide like this? What would I have to change?
I wonder why Australians prefer the Hilux family over the American Tundra Tacoma , I noticed RUclips clips of Australians fixing cars. Most of them are Hilux