The 3 Most Important Submissions for Self Defense
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2017
- In this video three of the most important jiu-jitsu submissions for self defense including two chokes and one joint lock. Here are some related videos that you might want to check out too...
Guillotine choke: • Guillotine Choke
RNC: • 5 Ways to Choke Someon...
Heel Hook: • How to Train the Heel ...
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I almost got my nuts cracked using the guillotine in a self defense situation(got really lucky that I wasn't severely damaged). One should consider that possibility in training, and make sure you're protecting your groin all the time, because that's the first thing someone will try to grab when trying to escape that choke.
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I have been adapting MMA for self defense for 10 years now and this is exactly what I would come up with.
Id have to put arm bars above heel hooks. A person with hands can still get to their knife while you heel hook them and arm bars dont have to be permanent injuries the way hh does. Id break an arm (or at least make one pop a couple of times) if a big drunk throws a haymaker at me, but i wouldn't want to heel hook someone unless it was clearly a serious threat to my life.
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My problem with heel hooks is that you can injure your attacker. Being safe and not hurting anybody is my first goal in a real fight. (Note I'm a part time bouncer so maybe I'm totally off base with this channel's goals) chokes are great because it de-escalates the situation and the attacker doesn't get hurt.
The actual problem with heel hook is you have to put your own butt on the floor which might compromise your position.
In addition to the points mentioned above, we have also seen in MMA that it can really leave you vulnerable to strikes from the top. Some would also make the case that any joint lock is inherently inferior to a choke for self-defense because:
A.) Joint locks actively require an opponent to "consent" to submission/being taken out of the fight due to pain compliance and/or fear of injury.
B.) While any educated, experienced, and sane sporting practitioner will at least give a nominal degree of respect to a joint lock for fear of a potentially career-altering orthopedic injury, the same is not necessarily true of some rando on the street who may or may not even realize they're in a dangerous position or may not even care even as you torque the submission and let them feel a bit of pressure/pain.
Personally I could argue for or against any of these points and can see both sides -- and indeed I think there's maybe a time and place for heel hooks in self-defense... but it's an exceedingly narrow niche if you ask me. I would probably recommend any number of other subs which I could see a broader and more inclusive use case for over a heel hook for private citizen self-defense than a heel hook in the very specific eventuality of "I want to fuck up this guy's knee while I'm already on top of him in a dominant position so that he doesn't run after me".
Moral of the story... Don't gouge out uncle Jims eyes at the BBQ when he gets lairy... Instead learn a RNC :-). Thanks Stephan!
Hi Stephen, what would ou advise against a single lapel grab in a street scenario ? A throw ? An armlock ? I feel like standing armlocks can be a great tool but only a few seem realistic (waki gatame for example).
A video about defenses from the most common street grabs would be great (single lapel, double lapel, bear hug...) !
I'm glad you posted this, because I've been thinking about the guillotine lately. There's no variation I'm aware of that allows you to see both of their hands at the same time, meaning you risk them drawing a weapon and you not being able to see it. In the version you showed, I'm not sure you could even see either.
In a guillotine from guard, you can see them both. And I think you can even in a mounted guillotine, at least if you glance side to side. But from the standing, you can't, and that makes me spooked of it.
Definitely agree with the RNC, easily the most essential choke. The heel hook is a certainly a unique addition, but admittedly a fun one. :-)
While this is theoretically possible (and you should definitely keep monitoring both of his hands as best as you can) a properly executed guillotine submission isn't a long, languid submission. Instead it comes on so quickly, and breaks someone's posture so completely, that likely the only thing they're going to be thinking about is their neck and not fumbling around to get access to a knife or other weapon.
Of course, but drawing a knife (or even gun) from your pocket or waistline isn't hard and takes a split-second. A proper guillotine will still take 5-6 seconds at the least.
The issue is that, even doing the best you can, you can only monitor one of his hands. The other is completely invisible and you could have a knife or bullet in you within seconds. If you could see it, it wouldn't be a problem, as you could shoot for an underhook or two on one. The problem is you can't.
Why would someone tackle you if they have a weapon?
I thought guillotine and rnc for sure but then maybe kimura or something. Good video.
Is an Imanari roll to inside heelhook street legal?
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I actually have another discussion question: How useful and necessary is it to know a multitude of submissions in self-defence, and what is that number that you suggest? I have personally found about 10 submissions, many which can be executed from a number of different positions, plus a few exceptions.
1. Rear Naked Choke
2. Americana
3. Kimura
4. Armbar (I would include the shoulderlock with the legs from scarfhold to be a variation)
5. Omoplata
6. Triangle Choke
7. Fist Choke
8. Marcelotine*
9. Heel Hook
10. Opportunistic wrist- and finger-locks, if you can get 'em
*I'm actually not a fan of the standing guillotine. The reason is that in the 4-10 seconds it takes to choke your adrenaline-fueled attacker, he can hit you in the groin many times. Are nut shots the end all and be all in a fight? Of course not. Should we select submissions which don't leave us so exposed? Probably yes.
Shooting a large animal in the hip to slow them down is a great hunting technique, never thought about that...
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What about a Kimura lock
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Great video! Please do 3 most important throws!
If you search my self defense tutorials youtube channel you'll find a video called 'Best Takedowns for Self Defense' - hopefully that helps!
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I like Armando Zayas’s comment down below. Chokes and the like taught in UFC gyms are great but in the street all doesn’t go as planned since there are no rules. It’s too bad groin strikes are no longer legal in mixed martial arts because I think that would prepare ‘self defense’ people what’s going to go down on the streets. I’ve seen two mixed martial artists with at least two years experience come out of street fights with battle wounds. The first was able to get a rear naked choke but his opponent managed to get out of it by grinding his teeth on the choker’s forearm until blood started oozing from Mr Mix Martial Artist’s skin. The skin was broken with a nasty gash. Fight over. Mr UFC had to go to the hospital to get a tetanus shot.
The second was like what Zayas described A different Mr UFC got his man in a guillotine choke only to get a steady diet of front palm strikes/fists to the groin. Fight over. Mr UFC went down with both hands on his balls with a grimace on his face while Mr Non UFC started his own ground and pound.
Lesson-what goes on on the mat should stay on the mat. On the street take your man out and get out as quickly and ferociously as you can.
What are you talking about??? If someone is in a rear naked, its physically not possible to get his teeth in the forearm, it's under the chin. Was the so superior untrained numpty a vampire or a sabre toothed tiger? lol
Omoplata is the best submission for self-defense but it is hard to achieve this position in a street fight
nice video!just one thing though:isn't it also very important to know also how to apply these techniques safely/for how long you should apply these chokes?because everyone can learn from these videos,and if you don't know the essential safety backgrounds you can easily choke someone to death,even a friend,while learning to apply the technique...
Funnily watching this video an hour after I nearly got into an altercation with some rowdy youths near my house. Shit is relevant ladies and gentlemen
hello, I'm new to MMA. I assume to avoid that guillotine choke is to keep the chin down during a take-down attempt?
That is one way to avoid it but if your going to shoot a double leg put your forehead in their sternum and drive along with avoiding a guillotine you also knock the wind out of them
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I want to ask a question, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu has many effective stand-up as well as striking techniques but why most of the BJJ schools focus today only on the ground fighting aspect and not the original! There seem to be very few instructors teaching those techniques besides ground fighting and you are one of them. Why people change an art from its original form? Does really very few instructors teach those techniques? I want your opinion Sir.
While I agree that all BJJ practitioners should have some basic understanding of both the striking and the takedown game I also think that this concern is sometimes overblown as part of a marketing approach. Even if a purple belt at a pure sport school has never done a single takedown or thrown a single left hook in his life he's still going to be infinitely better prepared for a streetfight than most untrained people. I should do a podcast episode about this exact topic!
Thank You Sir......that will be of much help
It's because none of that is allowed in the sport, and the sport has become the main objective. It's a sad failure.
Sport is good but one cannot get by a total component of a system if those instructors are claiming they are teaching the whole system.......actually it is very sad to hear from many BJJ instructors that BJJ is only ground grappling & more sad to listen from those instructors and experts who say 'BJJ has no strikes or standing techniques'......Mr. Kesting shows some points of original Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and i have seen 2 or 3 people more (except the Gracies themselves.......LOL).....i live in India where it's hard to find any other martial art school except Karate but if i could find one BJJ gym, then too they would just laugh if somebody would ask about strike and standup techniques......the fate of BJJ is becoming the same as that of its predecessor 'Judo'
Animesh Ghosh its turning into TKD
Used the guillotine in a real fight whenever I got tried to be taken down and could not sprawl. Used the rear naked choke to take out bigger guys. Now, when the unfortunate time comes, imma try the heel hook. Thanks!
P.S when a was in my youth and went into prison I got rushed by a cell mate while everyone was sleeping and I could not sleep. The lights were on 24/7. Caught him in an armbar and hyperextended that arm. Armbar should be another especially if you're getting thrown punches from below
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Heel hook! Lol more like self offence.
But Stephan, with heel hook, you have to put your own butt on the floor. Wouldn't that be dangerous for you?
Hey Stephan, your story about the russian military inventing the heel hook to stop imperialism is even more realistic than your polar bear myth. I was once part of a two man scientific expedition to east Greenland to gather data of the arctic wolf. We were supported by the Sirius dog sledge patrol, a special unit of the danish military that operates there all year round. I can assure you that nobody sane tries to shoot a polar bear in the hip on purpose. I guess thats one of the things you try only once in life....
You aim for the center of mass and than you keep on shooting right in the middle, no matter what, until your whole magazin is empty or you are dead (Second thing seems to be more likely in reality). Once the polar runs towards you, his hip is not even visible.
Yeah, of course, you can also go for the Marcellotine....