The Shocking Verdict of the Celebrity Who Stole Art From Her Fans...You Won't Believe What Happened!

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  • Mohammed Agbadi talking about Adobe's and billie eillish's art competition and how it is exploiting artists. also.... twitter artists went hard in this!
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  • @MohammedAgbadi
    @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +664

    *_have you ever participated in an art competition?_*

    • @alexvalentine5091
      @alexvalentine5091 2 года назад +22

      Thankfully no

    • @zomo7400
      @zomo7400 2 года назад +53

      I have! And I won some nice pins by an artist I love 💖💖 I feel like you can only trust an art competition if it's made by an artist of the same type. *And* not one done by a company.

    • @johnmivule-novabow8143
      @johnmivule-novabow8143 2 года назад +9

      I considered doing one, i thought about whether it was worth it or not. Then i was like "Nahh im good"

    • @wish_i_had_no_vowels2115
      @wish_i_had_no_vowels2115 2 года назад +17

      Yep, I was allowed to keep my art and won 50 dollars

    • @aandersson9181
      @aandersson9181 2 года назад +1

      Not by a company no.
      I've developed a huge dose of distrust, hatred and aversion for mega corporations, and big companies and wouldn't even trust them with my ugly squiggles.
      Because they ARE predatory money-hungry addicts. They are NOT anybody's friend except their own.

  • @KyokaChanaMei
    @KyokaChanaMei 2 года назад +4091

    We had a “contest” like this in high school, where the city went to different schools and asked for different high schoolers to enter their work to be chosen to decorate the many city drains and the award would be paid in exposure. As kids, we were too dumb to realize how crappy of an award that is for the hard work that the city would be getting for free. So everyone submitted their artworks and 10 were chosen but get this, they never showed the kids who did the work, they covered any watermark/signatures the kids left on the work, and they got free work from a bunch of kids that the schools promoted to us

    • @MohammedAgbadi
      @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +935

      that's honestly a shitty thing to do to kids at a young age. were the parents aware of this situation?

    • @KyokaChanaMei
      @KyokaChanaMei 2 года назад +407

      I wanna say yes but they probably not because our teachers presented it like it was just another assignment tor class expect there was no grade. Idk about the other schools but I know my school was just like “oh well we cant control what they do with their contest”.

    • @Rav_____
      @Rav_____ 2 года назад +215

      I remember my school asking students to make artworks for christmas cards as part of homework, and then choosing the best ones and selling them to parents without paying any of the students who actually made those designs :/

    • @tay1120
      @tay1120 2 года назад +220

      Covering the watermark which would help assist in said exposure?
      Exposure itself is not a good prize, but them removing the possibility of being recognized as an artist for your work, the one thing that was promised, makes it excessively more messed up.

    • @KyokaChanaMei
      @KyokaChanaMei 2 года назад +68

      @@Rav_____ oh wow that’s awful. Wouldnt that be consider child labor since they directly made a profit off of kids’ work?

  • @FillaneAmmisto
    @FillaneAmmisto 2 года назад +942

    The sad thing is how people justify it with "well, the artist got X new followers". Whats it worth if 90% who then follow the artist never engage with their posts afterwards?

    • @NoName12344o
      @NoName12344o 2 года назад +78

      Exposure won't necessarily get you people who are willing to pay for your art

    • @Lesaloote
      @Lesaloote 2 года назад +45

      That too. I've had art pieces blow up inexplicably because either somebody featured them in their page or something, amassing 137 likes while everything else before and after it remains at 5 likes at best.

    • @marsmia4869
      @marsmia4869 2 года назад +24

      @@Lesaloote can attest to that,one of my reels got over 200 likes whereas the rest of my art can hardly amass 15 likes

    • @chookki
      @chookki Год назад +2

      @@marsmia4869 same my reels get 100-300 like on average but my post get like 20-30 likes 😑 ig algorithm needs to be replaced

  • @MangoPop
    @MangoPop 2 года назад +1597

    My mom got her art stolen from a company that did a "art contest" it's bullshit don't do it.

    • @MohammedAgbadi
      @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +142

      how???!!!!!!!! please tell me how!!

    • @MangoPop
      @MangoPop 2 года назад +339

      @@MohammedAgbadi So my mom entered a contest for the public housing in my state for an new logo design and worse they claimed the winner would get 1k. She entered and they thanked her and said nothing else to her. Years later her art her logo is the new logo and they didn't give her anything for it. She was very angry and hasn't done a art contest since. She's very talented and it's a shame a company ment to help low income people would scam her like that.

    • @hasna2012
      @hasna2012 2 года назад +47

      @smok I don't think you can... it's in the rules that they can legally make use of them since you submitted it. But idk

    • @MangoPop
      @MangoPop 2 года назад +82

      @smok I told her that too she said it's no point and it's lesson learned. She doesn't post any of her work it's just for my family to enjoy. I wanted to do an art contest too but yeah nah. I'm good at sculpting with recycled materials but yeah I just enjoy my art with my family too. Can't really trust companies anymore

    • @user-bp1tz9oh9l
      @user-bp1tz9oh9l 2 года назад +40

      @@hasna2012 but the rules also claimed the winner would get 1k

  • @0PercentImagination
    @0PercentImagination 2 года назад +1601

    'Exposure' in most cases isn't even real exposure, from what I've seen they likely will just set it to their profile picture if they like it and even if someone was to ask its uncertain whether they'll tag the original artist. And even if they do a tweet its very likely going to be worthless overall.

    • @MohammedAgbadi
      @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +110

      i honestly can't think of an artist that gained any thing from exposure from a music artist. tbh i have worked for top music artists in my country back in the day and even 3 years ago, and even if the art trended, we the artists recieved nothing from the exposure. atleast i got paid though. exposure is worthless to some degree.

    • @Ben-rz9cf
      @Ben-rz9cf 2 года назад +16

      @@MohammedAgbadi honestly in my experience as an artist the best "exposure" you can receive is a public review or testimonial that you were worth the money THEY PAID on a public site or place where people who see said review have easy access to book your services and know how. "I got it from this guy and it was nice because it was free" is terrible exposure because all it proves is that your art is worth picking up as a freebie, but potential customers want to know your art is worth PAYING for and how much it's worth paying for. That can only be earned with paying customers.

    • @haoomudrock1899
      @haoomudrock1899 2 года назад +2

      Yeet

  • @sonjulliette
    @sonjulliette 2 года назад +318

    When I was 7 or 8 (I'm 21) I signed into an art competition made by Sony for Earth Day about caring the environtment. The winners were going to be 3 kids, their art would get featured on the international Sony year callendar which is distributed to all the employees. But the 3rd and 2nd place would not only be featured on the callendar but also they were given a good camera worth 600 mexican pesos (in that time it was that price), the first place got their art on several shirts (given to the kids who participated and didn´t manage to get into the top 3), their art being the cover of the callendar (which will be view by millions of employees) and a high quality camera.
    My drawing was made with passion, low quality coloring pencils, alot of meaning and I won the third place... I still have the camera with me and I even got the shirt with the beautiful art of the first place who deserved the prize. They even carry almost all the regional boys and girls into a zoo as a thanks for participating in the competition.

    • @TheOcculticUnicorn
      @TheOcculticUnicorn 2 года назад +65

      Finally a good story, it is rare to see art contests with a happy ending.

    • @creepywaffles4783
      @creepywaffles4783 2 года назад +41

      As I was reading I was getting so so scared especially with Sony but I’m all happy now! It’s nice to see a story like that!

  • @tabbi888
    @tabbi888 2 года назад +833

    My art teacher stole my work. He asked me if I would allow it to be included in a new text book he'd been writing, I said no as there was no compensation and I'd already been offered money for one of my works. We had to wait till assessment was over before collecting our work, and when the time finally came to collect it had somehow gone missing. Noone else's had gone missing and when I questioned how this had happened he said a cleaner must have thrown it out. I know this is complete bs as only a week prior he was trying to get me to give it to him. I was devastating as it was over 20yrs ago and I'd wanted to apply to art school, and was left without a portfolio. I had no way to get into university I didn't even have photos as back then phones didn't exist and living away from home I couldn't afford a camera. I highly recommend documenting your work so at least you have something if this kind of thing happens. Also good as proof you made it. I never found my way to university and fourty years later still suffering depression, my life was ruined by this one selfish act. I just hope karma gets this teacher in the end, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it to others in the future, some people have no morals.

    • @MIDNIGHTELIXR
      @MIDNIGHTELIXR 2 года назад +105

      Its never too late to enter a university love, im sure you have some amazing artwork by now, you shouldnt give up

    • @tabbi888
      @tabbi888 2 года назад +136

      @@MIDNIGHTELIXR thanks I've been complimented by lots of people who have seen my artwork but unfortunately I'm now 46yrs old with a delibitating chronic pain condition and would not be able to get enough work done to complete a course. I won a government award back in highschool but now just have to settle with doing it as a hobby due to the pain issues. Also the only university that does the course I'd like to do are not handicapped friendly which creates extra hurdles. I'm happy with my hobby though and my now grown kids are trying to talk me into trying something online, so I might do that one day. The government helps me as I'm unable to work but the enjoyment of doing art keeps me going.

    • @porkopio9468
      @porkopio9468 2 года назад +67

      Discredit him in the art community or school. Better not keep it to yourself or it might end up in a bloody revenge if you snap.

    • @Serkunny
      @Serkunny 2 года назад +50

      ..... one of my art peices went missing in the art room too... I never really thought about it... oh... I wonder where it is now...

    • @doodlemunchkin2222
      @doodlemunchkin2222 2 года назад +44

      Similar thing happened to me in middle school. Did a super detailed etch sticky paper carving of a tiger lounging next to a small pool in a jungle…slaved and stressed over that thing for a week or two since it was my first time and doing so many little cuts and peeling without tearing was hard-but I was so proud of it by the end because by some miracle I hadn’t messed it up and it turned out perfect.
      When it came time to collect our art after grading it? Wasn’t there on the table. Asked the art teacher about it and they said they’d check in the back in case they forgot it and said I could look around the class, but never found it.
      I always assumed it was some kid in class who nabbed it for themselves, especially since a lot of kids struggled with that project, but I never really thought about the teacher…she praised it a lot when I gave it to her but she seemed so aloof and uncaring when I told her it was missing…huh.
      Anyways-it was heartbreaking for me. Was so excited to bring it home to show my parents what exactly the project was since it was hard to explain it in words. One of the best things I made in that class. And it just disappeared. Even over a decade later I still get mad thinking about it. I wonder if it’s just been disregarded and thrown away by now by whoever took it to either briefly brag or show their parents and friends to seem like they got a good grade…when I would’ve still kept it and cherished it.
      So I totally feel u, sorry that happened.

  • @Loifey
    @Loifey 2 года назад +193

    “Exposure” is just a poor excuse to steal peoples art without crediting. It reminds me of those Instagram advertising accounts that you pay money for “exposure” when it’s literally just bots liking and maybe following you for a 1-2 weeks

    • @riridari1210
      @riridari1210 Год назад

      unrelated but your pfp is giving me ptsd

    • @Loifey
      @Loifey Год назад +4

      @@riridari1210 have you done your Spanish lesson?

  • @tappyokamaniok210
    @tappyokamaniok210 2 года назад +811

    I feel the argument of "what's wrong if the artist knew blablabla" is like saying "what's wrong with politicians being corrupt, we know they all are and we elected them anyway." Well, yeah, but the more you think something wrong/unfair it's not a big deal, you are just perpetuating it until it becomes 'acceptable' and then, it becomes the 'norm.'

    • @chouchoue
      @chouchoue 2 года назад +6

      Speaking of that, Billie was at the "Democrat" convention promoting socialism but she won't share any of her own money and expects poor people to work for her for free.

  • @defnotanny
    @defnotanny 2 года назад +740

    I wish more people would care about morally wrong things that are happening even if it isn't affecting them. I'm sure a lot of people who aren't artists just don't care and it makes me sad. Imagine what we could do, how much we could hold companies accountable, if we didn't only judge it by whether the company is directly impacting ourselves.

    • @shyshy1894
      @shyshy1894 2 года назад +23

      This 100%! And this mindset shouldn’t just be limited to artist either! It should be applied for general issues. I feel like a lot of people just don’t care because it doesn’t affect them and it just hurts.

  • @CatSaidMeow
    @CatSaidMeow 2 года назад +64

    Historically speaking, most art contests state that if you enter, you lose rights to your work legally. It's in the fine print because it's scummy.

    • @FukaiKokoro
      @FukaiKokoro 2 года назад

      Plus it usually targets a younger audience. So even scummier.

  • @sleepylady2723
    @sleepylady2723 2 года назад +45

    contracting a group of artists ❌
    making an "art contest" ⭕
    no matter how much we try to make it serious, big companies still don't take art as a job seriously. Making art is not the same as selling lemonade at the sidewalk

  • @kingcockroach.
    @kingcockroach. 2 года назад +110

    The only thing ive ever seen these contests good for is as part of art degree courses, you can use them as proof of practice

  • @jomo2483
    @jomo2483 2 года назад +40

    I'm an animator and wanted to work in the big studios for so long. It was literally my life goal, until I read Disney's and Pixar's contact terms. Literally, every piece of art you make while you're in contact with them, is their property. Even if you make your own short film or side project on the side. They literally own you. I'm not sure about other studios, but I bet it's similar. This made me become a freelancer, so I can work on projects, while at the same time, creating my own stories. Every creative industry is brutal. Because most creatives are good hearted souls, most suits are always looking for ways to screw creatives over. So before you do anything, read the terms. And sign every page of the contract. Even where there's no signature line. Keep a copy. Especially with big companies. Always negotiate to have some rights on a big project, again especially with a massive company, or if it's work for hire, have the right to showcase it in your portfolio. Because that's always not allowed either. And remember, put yourself in a financial situation where you can walk away from bad deals and manipulative scenarios. I have seen so many of my friends take on bad deals, because they needed the money so bad..sorry that's a long post. But it's the reality of any creative field. There's a lot of vultures. So value your work 3-5 times what you actually charge, and be a little narcissistic. It will help you earn more money.. just don't be an a**hole or nobody will want to work with you.

  • @realtuber101
    @realtuber101 2 года назад +378

    Fun Fact! Regardless of whoever is doing it, if it's called a "contest" and not a "paid partnership", you will STILL lose rights to your work. Everyone putting these deals together, meaning managers behind celebrities/social media celebrities, all talk with the same like-minded lawyers to get the wording right. Meaning the wording will ALWAYS be the same. You won't be paid for future usage of your art, of which you sign away when entering, even if you do get a grand prize lump-sum of money. You could get a 10K grand prize, they still reserve the right and possibility to make 100 to 1000x that amount, and you wont see any of it.
    Simple fix? STOP ENTERING CONTESTS. Stop enabling this bullshit. As artists, you need to put your foot down and stop showing support when these people/companies are so willing to spit in your face while calling it a reward.

  • @muddashucka9743
    @muddashucka9743 2 года назад +26

    How to go about submitting things to art contests:
    1. Send in copyrighted stuff you don't have the rights to
    2. Grab some popcorn as legal battles ensue

  • @MillywiggZ
    @MillywiggZ 2 года назад +72

    I wish I had submitted something to bamboozle them.
    Something hidden in the image somehow.

    • @MohammedAgbadi
      @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +20

      lmaoooo nahhh you tripping haha

    • @MillywiggZ
      @MillywiggZ 2 года назад +22

      @@MohammedAgbadi
      Yeah bro, I’m totally not a kind of guy that would hide morse code in halfton…
      😏

    • @MasatoKay
      @MasatoKay 2 года назад +4

      That's a good idea, put your name/socials in brail, or morse code, or a different language hah.

  • @SoulStarSketchin
    @SoulStarSketchin 2 года назад +103

    See things like this is what truly soured me for contests like this in general. As everybody has stated “exposure” doesn’t put food on the table nor money in your pocket.
    I use to participate art contests in the past for fun but now and days I just avoid them altogether

    • @MasatoKay
      @MasatoKay 2 года назад +5

      Good on you for knowing your boundaries and sticking to them.

  • @cassi6528
    @cassi6528 2 года назад +36

    Selling fanart without permission from the intellectual property owner's is technically illegal but most companies don't go after artists because it doesn't usually harm the I.P. and it's technically free promotion so most artist's get to slide under the radar without having any real worries about getting sued for it. Also it would be incredibly hard to monitor all fanart in general.

  • @LetterheadStudios
    @LetterheadStudios 2 года назад +222

    I think what people have the hardest time doing is separating what is "legal" and what is "moral." Too many people believe that If something is legal that makes it okay even if it's wrong. And if anyone disagrees with that, then it's their fault for not understanding the consequences.
    We are a culture of victim blaming. We support what is "legal" regardless of whether it is "right." And too often we forget that legality is meant to protect something. The scale of an entity or intellectual property also matters when discussing stuff like this. Disney is successful and popular. They will ALWAYS own the rights to make and produce content using their characters and how those characters are displayed in official mediums.
    But fan art is not an official medium. I think legality should step in the way if someone were to use the images to harm someone or present their work as if it were official instead of what it actually is (unofficial fanart). Otherwise, who cares if a company "too big to fail" doesn't make money from some person making prints of their own drawing, their own interpretation, of a character from Disney, etc. At that point, a big company cracking down on someone drawing Donald Duck (driving a taxi or some other absurd example I can't think of at this moment) comes off as incredibly petty and unnecessary.
    However, when it comes to the fan artists (who are serious artists in their own right) I believe there should be allowance made for them to create and legality should work in their favor to protect them. They have far more to lose and legally stripping them of the rights to the work they create is far greater than someone making work of your idea. If you are the "idea person" and make all this money off the idea. . . you still need to pay people who "work" to give life or physical representation to your idea. It's a symbiotic relationship.
    So, long rant winding down. . . I definitely have lived a long time of seeing fan art contests. I think contests that just give away prizes and post your art on social media accounts going "oh wow! Look at this art" I think those are relatively harmless and generally fun. But when the purpose of the contest is so the company can make money. . . that's the big red flag. I think contests need a separation between fun and corporation. It's only a "competition" if the company doesn't stand to gain anything from it. Only the winners do. Otherwise... yeah, it's just free marketing.
    I dunno. I feel there's a nuance I am not communicating very well, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at. I like the idea of fan art contests... but I hate the idea of big companies seizing people's work for proprietary gain.

    • @FamiliarlyFrigid
      @FamiliarlyFrigid 2 года назад +18

      This is exactly it. Art contests are harmless if there's no money involved, and I love entering them for fun. It becomes predatory when companies start telling people they don't their own creations.

    • @TheOneWifNoUsername
      @TheOneWifNoUsername 2 года назад +3

      THIS! I tried to communicate this but I struggle to word what I mean half the time. This is part of what I was trying to say!

    • @BVK.
      @BVK. 2 года назад +2

      This is an extremely well and thought out comment, especially the
      "If you're the 'Idea' person and make all the money off the idea, you still need to pay people who 'work' to give life or physical representation to your idea. it's a symbiotic relationship."
      Absolutely insightful.
      Just like everyone said, if work is involved, prize must be given, especially the ones that give their time that is their life dedicated to that work.

    • @MissCaraMint
      @MissCaraMint Год назад

      Oh yeah. There are far too many people why try to argue against someone saying that something is wrong, by saying “it’s legal”. It’s so dumb. That was never the point. If something is morally wrong then it doesn’t matter if it’s legal or not. Not in the court of public opinion anyway. It would only matter in a court of law.

  • @Lyliarc
    @Lyliarc 2 года назад +137

    If they really wanted to make this contest properly, they could have invited a set of different artists, paid them - And whoever won get to choose their prize within reasonable amounts. Extra money? Gochu. Free subscription to one or multiple of their programs? There.
    Keep the fan arts out of contents man, legit the best way to get free anything.

    • @Lyliarc
      @Lyliarc 2 года назад +20

      Or you know, instead of disguising it as a fan art contest... Just commission an artist???

  • @RM_VFX
    @RM_VFX 2 года назад +21

    People don't understand that copyright and IP are not the same. Someone who created a fanart holds the copyright to that specific work automatically under US law. They may need permission from the IP holder to sell it, but the IP holder can't just take it and sell it without the artist's consent. Work costs money.

  • @taikonautica8365
    @taikonautica8365 2 года назад +51

    Lost the chance at a decent gig once cuz I refused "exposure" pay. Felt nice.

    • @MohammedAgbadi
      @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +20

      funny how you might get the same gig later down the line and they get to pay you

    • @MasatoKay
      @MasatoKay 2 года назад +1

      I applaud you for knowing your worth and sticking to your guns. Doing art as a profession is not easy, you have to make a lot of tough decisions that have nothing to do with art and I don't think a lot of up and coming artists realize that. If you want to be a successful professional artist, there's a LOT of contract reading and business decisions involved.

    • @joelhicks4599
      @joelhicks4599 2 года назад +2

      King behavior 👑

    • @Hello-hello-hello456
      @Hello-hello-hello456 2 года назад +2

      Yes! You need to show them that you deserve respect. Otherwise non-artist people think art is a service or commodity to take for free if they can.

  • @bepinkfloyd814
    @bepinkfloyd814 2 года назад +147

    The truth is that unless is plagiarism, even fan art should be payed if they want to sell merch with It. If it is fan art without commercial aim than i don't think would be a problem to do a contest but the thing is that they make money from free work in this case.

    • @Artsensei86
      @Artsensei86 2 года назад +15

      The argument could be made that fan art is fair use if you give your own spin on it but these companies have huge law departments who could crush small artists. The best way if doing fan art just for fun is just to watermark your work

  • @DueEa9
    @DueEa9 2 года назад +189

    I feel so strongly about this. Reminds me of others that ask/demand their audience for free art. I won’t say the RUclipsr, but when I was in high school, I loved watching a RUclipsr who would put fan art at the end of their video. I made a piece and one video, mine was at the end. I was ecstatic! The thing is, they didn’t credit me. My name and socials were no where to be found. (I think at the time I only had a deviant art but that wasn’t linked). So no one knew I drew that besides my friend in my technical class who I told, and our teacher 😂🤮💀

    • @henrysteketee3059
      @henrysteketee3059 2 года назад +11

      Why are you protecting this person? Say the name of the RUclipsr!

    • @reiri5764
      @reiri5764 2 года назад +2

      Fortunately the RUclipsrs I know/watched before, credit their artists by putting their insta/twt acct under/near the fanart they made.

    • @reiri5764
      @reiri5764 2 года назад +4

      Still, I wanna know who this YTuber is, so that I can see if they still do the same or if they had been called out xD.

    • @DueEa9
      @DueEa9 2 года назад +3

      @@henrysteketee3059 I'm def not protecting XD it was years ago, I haven't been subscribed or watched this dude for a couple of years and I don't think he does it anymore so it just doesn't seem necessary to say who it is. You know?

    • @DueEa9
      @DueEa9 2 года назад +2

      @@reiri5764 I don't think they do. I Stopped watching them YEARS ago for other reasons, but I think he stopped doing it after a while. I'm unsure if anyone "called them out". I don't know them well so I cant say they did it on purpose. Just thought I'd share my experience.

  • @johnmivule-novabow8143
    @johnmivule-novabow8143 2 года назад +119

    You know what you can't say sike to? the fact that its always a blessing when this man Uploads
    also props to the young artists

  • @Alexandra-vl1us
    @Alexandra-vl1us 2 года назад +102

    I suggest we start entering art contests with extremely crappy unusable artwork. This way companies will be forced to give the top prize for something the artist made in 2 minutes, have no usable designs for merch, and ultimately lose money. :D

    • @PsycheTrance65
      @PsycheTrance65 2 года назад +36

      pretty much what happened last year when genshin impact held an "art contest". It was entertaining to watch while it happened ngl
      dunno who won in the end tho

    • @RubenDuenas1
      @RubenDuenas1 Год назад +1

      @@PsycheTrance65 what happened im sobbing on my floor jsjsjsjs please tepl me eEEEez

    • @PsycheTrance65
      @PsycheTrance65 Год назад +5

      @@RubenDuenas1 they had an art contest for the first anniversary and since a lot of people didnt think they were rightfully rewarded in-game for playing the game for a year, they started to submit really bad art in an attempt to sabotage the contest

    • @Pirates.27
      @Pirates.27 3 месяца назад

      ​@@PsycheTrance65hahaha serves them right!

  • @dafunniman
    @dafunniman 2 года назад +60

    when the title said "The Celebrity Stealing Art From Her Young Audience...but twitter artists said sike" i felt that

    • @MohammedAgbadi
      @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +10

      lmaooo

    • @Kai_The_Kai
      @Kai_The_Kai 2 года назад

      @@MohammedAgbadi how come your comment only has one like???

  • @littlesneets8026
    @littlesneets8026 Год назад +5

    I remember joining an art contest once. It was hosted by an artist. We were to draw the same picture he drew, but in our own art styles.
    And I did it, uploaded my work with the hash tag. And you know what? The artist actually responded, he shared my upload among all the other fan arts that entered in, and he credited all of us. Not only was he an authentic artist I looked up to, he was also someone who actually respected the work people put into their art, even if it looked kinda crappy, and he still put our names down in the credits.
    It was a pleasant experience. There was no money or reward, just a fun activity for artists.
    It's sad some people have to learn the hard way when they're getting scammed out of their own work, especially when they're let to believe it was all supposed to be fun and fair. I'm lucky I've never had my art ever stolen, as far as I'm aware, although I doubt my art is really any good for anyone to take, since I'm currently stuck with just pen and paper, no fancy colours or refiner details like you could do on a computer application. But, either way, it's a dread to think your art, or just an concept art piece gets stolen by someone else looking to shorten their time schedule, and hardly getting paid any awareness for their effort.

  • @kedandunn
    @kedandunn 2 года назад +22

    the problem goes deeper than just these artists who were exploited, it also means the company got out of actually hiring an artist to do the spec work, which means an artist didn't get a job where they should have. It also contributes to this like cultural idea that art isn't work worthy of being paid like any other job and it's okay to get it for free and "exposure" or even steal it from online without permission or giving credit or royalties. The more young unaware artists under sell themselves and their labor the harder it is for all artists to get their work the value it deserves.

  • @ravenmischief9876
    @ravenmischief9876 2 года назад +52

    Honestly it reminds me when I join an art contest hosted by the local artists that I use to follow, it was a digital art contest if you made it in top 3 you'll probably win one of the drawing tablet.
    And I remember one of the biggest points were "Originality, Dynamic Pose, and Visuals"which the artist said keeps on reminding to follow the criteria or our submition won't be qualifie
    One the day that they announced the winners a lot of contestants were confused because the the only winner who really did follow the criteria was 3rd while, 2nd place was copied drawing while 1st didn't really stick to the criteria let say.
    What made this contest even worst was the artist just mock the rest of the contestant like people didn't put any time and effort on their artwork.
    After that I didn't follow that artist anymore just because he/she being sponsored by drawing tablet and his/her getting famous doesn't mean you'll have to treat your fan like crap

  • @evilernie1369
    @evilernie1369 2 года назад +31

    "If you draw somebody else's IP they can legally use it however they want because it's their IP." Not the full quote but that entire post was completely, and utterly factually and legally FALSE. (Like, they did not even get the definition of Fair Use correct...Google mf have you heard of it?)
    When you draw something, you own the copyright immediately. YOU drew it. It doesn't matter who's IP it is. In the USA, copyright is inherent the moment you create something. If it then gets stolen (ex. you draw something, somebody takes it and posts it elsewhere or makes money from it) you do have to register it legally with the copyright office in order to actually sue for damages. (I *believe* you can send them a C&D however.)
    Fanartists who sell in artist alley are not doing it legally. Every single piece of fanart that is sold and not licensed is committing copyright infringement. But a decent amount of IP owners know how ridiculous it is to sue nobodies over it (a fanartist isn't going to hurt a corporation or take away from their profits. This is also why many indie creators ask that people not sell fanart--because that CAN hurt their business) so they don't enforce it. Companies that DO enforce it will normally serve a C&D first. This happens ALL the time on Etsy and some people have even gotten the in person at conventions, where they have to take down the art and promise not to sell it. If they find out you're still selling it after a C&D is issued you are at a much bigger risk to be sued.
    The reason companies like Disney are so quick to issue takedowns is because Mickey became such a widely known character, they HAD to. When a trademarked or copyrighted thing becomes so part of pop culture, it threatens the integrity of the trademark/copyright. For example, "Photoshop" becoming a verb that means "to edit digitally", Photoshop was/is at risk of losing that trademark/copyright. ("That looks so photoshopped.") If a trademark or copyright isn't defended against initial infringements, they are less likely to be able to protect it in court if they try to sue someone for other infringements in the future. This is why Disney made that one family get rid of their child's Spider-Man headstone. (Also a reminder that "legal" does not necessarily mean "moral".) If they allowed it to pass, then anyone who was not licensed by Disney/Marvel could make money doing the same thing.
    Generally speaking, fanartists are not making a ton of money. Since a lot of fanartists sell merch that is otherwise not available officially (such as buttons or keychains of a certain character), it is not that big of a risk to a large IP holder.
    But if they started selling fanart in a much bigger way (for example, an artist who goes from selling a handful of fan plush at cons then tries to set up a multi-million dollar kickstarter to mass produce them), THEN companies who are normally cool with fanart are more likely to pull the plug on it.
    Google is actually a perfect example of losing a well-known trademark due to popularity. It has become so commonplace in our language that if somebody says "google it", it doesn't necessarily mean they're telling you to specifically use Google. It is synonymous with "search engine".
    See also: xerox, yo-yo, aspirin, escalator, laundromat, trampoline, dry ice, app store, zipper, tv dinner, pilates...the list goes on. All of these now-generic words used to be trademarked to a specific brand. The genericization of these words led to the companies having their trademarks revoked in court. Many held the trademarks for over 20+ years.
    This is all very broad and there is a lot more nuance to it but I'm frankly too lazy to dig up and quote the actual legal jargon (not that anybody can read that shit anyway), but this is the general gist of US copyright law to my understanding as someone who has sold fanart in conventions previously and am publishing IP of my own (and thus have spoken to a copyright lawyer on my own and in general have been reading up on it since my DeviantArt days...so, I've been at it a while lmao) But naturally I am but flesh and gore and teeth and not a lawyer, so if anything I've stated is factually incorrect according to US law, please feel free to correct me and cite the correct statue so I can update my brain library.
    Hope this helps.

  • @Artsensei86
    @Artsensei86 2 года назад +41

    Hey Mohammed, just wanted to touch on that part about prints and IP’s being sold. From when I did a cover for IDW I had the ok from them to print as many prints but was told I could not make any merch off of the image(Tmnt) from a legal standpoint it’s a grey area because the companies could absolutely go after every artist in artist alley if they wanted to, but they look at the cost over what they would gain. On the flip side I have seen some big vendors get kicked out of shows for selling art of other artists at bigger booths because they did not get permission to sell their art work. From other friends who have worked for different publishers it is a matter of which ones are more litigious like Anime companies and Disney. But at the end of the day selling prints is still def not protected and every artist should be weary of doing so. Hope this helps

  • @demoniac4821
    @demoniac4821 2 года назад +24

    Fun fact: Adobe also charges you 20~+$ for unsubscribing.

    • @MohammedAgbadi
      @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +15

      whuuuattttt??!

    • @werdahd9166
      @werdahd9166 2 года назад +17

      @@MohammedAgbadi yeah if you cancel your subscription early they will charge you! I had to pay 34 dollars because they would keep charging me even though I wasn’t using the service.

    • @demoniac4821
      @demoniac4821 2 года назад +6

      @@MohammedAgbadi Yeah my brother wanted to unsubscribe from Adobe service, unsubscription fee was 20$

    • @cheerseveryone7542
      @cheerseveryone7542 2 года назад +3

      Yeah this is what made me drop subscribing for them If you subscribed for a year and you wanted to stop it, you have to pay the half of each month left. The problem is that people don't notice it when it's written there

    • @arwina311
      @arwina311 2 года назад

      thats why i use cracked adobe

  • @heatherhopman4779
    @heatherhopman4779 2 года назад +27

    It's not just competitions. A fellow artist I know was approached by a film company to create a clothing item in there signature style that was significant to the film story. They would have been paid for there work but hidden in the fine print the film company would own all rights to the artists style and work after that. Can not stress reading the fine print.

  • @Aj01110
    @Aj01110 2 года назад +16

    As predatory and scammy as art competitions are I feel like for some of these artists entering this is the only time in their entire lifetimes they will get an opportunity like this and I wish there was a way for smaller lesser known artists to be able to have these opportunities with their favourite artists without it being a massive scam. A Bitter sweet situation

  • @nightinthevuz
    @nightinthevuz 2 года назад +24

    Our university does this, except you're sort of forced to enter cause they made it a homrwork assignment to do a poster for their upcoming gallery exhibition, I ofcourse had to do it since it was an assignment, surprisingly I won and not only did they not pay me they also demanded I make instagram post, banner and badge designs for the exhibition all without even asking If I had free time because of uni work🤡🤡

    • @tabbi888
      @tabbi888 2 года назад +9

      Our high schools and colleges do this too only in a way it's worse as they get paid by companies for the work, but the students get nothing but graded. These are government run schools in Australia. It's disgusting profiteering off students work which is not even optional to participate.

    • @nightinthevuz
      @nightinthevuz 2 года назад

      @@tabbi888 Ohh same, they literally started a ,,non profit,, organization and called it Anonymous artists.. the joke is literally they sell only student work on bags,shirts,prints and dont even credit the students nor ask for permission, I guess they called it anonymous cause they thought that was so smart lmao
      But yeah sorry to hear it happens in other places, really no respect for our work

    • @tabbi888
      @tabbi888 2 года назад +4

      @@nightinthevuz 30yrs ago one particular art teacher stole my portfolio to put in his new textbook after I'd already said no to him asking. This left me without a portfolio and unable to apply to university which I believe ruined my life entirely. I had won government awards just before it happened, but now just settle doing art as a hobby. I really think things would have worked out very different had he not taken my work, I really wish these people could be held accountable.

    • @nightinthevuz
      @nightinthevuz 2 года назад +4

      @@tabbi888 What, wow, how can that happen. I'm so angry and sad to hear. You should definitely be able to sue.. That's just awful, you made it you should be able to use it as your portfolio, I mean unless they're physical drawings and if he took them..I don't know what to say, I would go crazy if that happened to me .. :(

    • @tabbi888
      @tabbi888 2 года назад +3

      @@nightinthevuz this was 30yrs ago before digital everything was physical you had to send in actual work back then, but as he'd taken it I couldn't. I was pretty poor living away from home at 17yrs so couldn't afford a camera at the time. The trouble was I couldn't prove it as when I complained to administration he told them that the cleaners must have thrown it away. I had no way to prove otherwise but some were large works very detailed and a 3d sculpture which I'd wired lighting into. These people get away with it without any repercussions, it's disgraceful. Nothing can be done now but I hope it's a warning to others to keep photographic copies as evidence which is much easier these days.

  • @ms.catstache5822
    @ms.catstache5822 2 года назад +17

    In 5th grade on of my teachers (emotionally abusive btw) used to incourage kids to participate in art contests all the time. She also allowed and incouraged tracing which now that I think about it was kind of weird.

    • @mrcsee6936
      @mrcsee6936 2 года назад +4

      If you're a beginner artist and don't plan on selling your art it is totally reasonable to trace in order to practice certain poses. That being said, tracing is considered taboo when you are trying to sell art. It's practically stealing

  • @zinzolin14
    @zinzolin14 2 года назад +17

    It's sad to see how publicized this competition was, but they still went ahead with it and picked winners. Just shows how detrimental fan behavior can be, and how disconnect corporations are to exploit unsuspecting creators for profit. I'm highly disappointed in Billie and Adobe for this.

  • @equinoxcrow
    @equinoxcrow 2 года назад +18

    I remember back on this one art site where this contest was being held to raise money for cancer research along side an anime con that would do the same. Prizes were game systems and such. I and several others entered. Flash forward to the 'con'. Nothing was ready. An artist who entered had their art has stolen and used promotional materials for the con. The event space owners and vendors don't what is going on and who was running the event. When they did find the guy, he said he was going to sort it out and stepped out to make some calls with the cash boxes fill with all the money from the ticket sells and other such things. He was never see again. The site and some well off folks in the community stepped up and had to compensate everyone involved including the artist whose art was used.
    So yeah I've avoid art contest after that.

  • @ChincerDante
    @ChincerDante 2 года назад +9

    let's be honest, a lot of companies have zero respect for artists, no matter the medium style or work it takes to make and many people as well seem to think artists just make their art for people to see it and starve themselves

  • @lusterjoker7876
    @lusterjoker7876 2 года назад +2

    remember this and tell yourself whenever you'll pirate Adobe products and any "Artists" that using the "fan arts".
    you are basically just running a competitions on which graphic processing software is the best or which music and musicians is having the best fit to be heard when you taking a dump.

  • @bell.e.flower
    @bell.e.flower 2 года назад +4

    I once competed in an art competition when I was little. It was for a festival that’s run by a local wildlife refuge. The prize is 100 dollars for and you get a billboard with your artwork that’s up for a month or two [One of those really big advertisement billboards.] aaaand it was only for local kids 11 and under. I got first place and I was really proud of it :)

  • @th223inoue
    @th223inoue 2 года назад +10

    Regarding that one comment at the end of the video: Fan art, cosplay, covers, etc are all transformative works. They are completely different from directly copying or illegal distribution. This is why Japanese media, video game companies, and other corporations tend to be lenient when it comes to fan media. Some like Genshin Impact even encourage people to make and sell fan work. It's basically free marketing for them.

    • @JuriAmari
      @JuriAmari 2 года назад +1

      This is why I also enjoy the doujinshi community. A lot of popular mangaka in the 00s and 10s started off as doujin artists before spinning off to their original material

    • @spurnd
      @spurnd 2 года назад +1

      It really depends, there was a toy customizer that made, if I recall correctly, a Kamen Rider figure (from another Kamen Rider figure, mind you) that was sued by the copyright holder.

  • @veetoristh
    @veetoristh 2 года назад +20

    This is a really messed up situation
    ...but if my memory doesn't fails me, I remember seeing on instagram a reel of the winner artist and they said that they got money from the shirts and a ticket for Billie's show, but it was some time ago so I'm not sure

    • @ominous_light
      @ominous_light 2 года назад +4

      Ikr, they didn't complain so why are you complaining for them.

    • @Hello-hello-hello456
      @Hello-hello-hello456 2 года назад +3

      @@ominous_light what about those who didn’t win?

    • @ominous_light
      @ominous_light 2 года назад

      @@Hello-hello-hello456 they obviously knew what they signed up for, they're billie eilish fans and they legit could watch this video beforehand and would still participate cuz they don't give a flying fuck.

    • @augustuslunasol10thapostle
      @augustuslunasol10thapostle 6 месяцев назад

      @@ominous_light why complain for them? If someone is being abused just stfu if they don’t complain?

  • @isaiahaskew6903
    @isaiahaskew6903 2 года назад +4

    THANK YOU BRO. We have to normalize paying artists like any other media production. I’ve been robbed by a few famous people so I see it’s a trend. They make too much money on the backs of others to not pay a small fee.

  • @Nadiaxel
    @Nadiaxel 2 года назад +4

    Thanks for the update 🙌 I completely lost it when I imagined being able to check out my amazon order in exposure! Damn, wouldn't that be nice af 😂 hahaha. Thanks for great, informative content as always 👍👍👍

  • @lleyah_fw
    @lleyah_fw 2 года назад +99

    She mad a song about being the "Bad Buy" and became one through an art contest. I'm sure she had good intentions and wanted to help artists grow. Or not, don't know her personally. But the art contest concept is always bad when the legal terms never help the contestants out whatsoever. Hopefully something shifts for the better when it comes to artists and big brands/people.

    • @kidwolf0015
      @kidwolf0015 Год назад

      I love the fact that your comment mentions the honestly very real possiblity that the song writer herself might not of even had bad intentions but accidentally set a ton of people up for failure by not knowing the full ramifications of her actions... and is now rightfully paying for her stupidity through people point out the flaws. Yet, you also still acknowlege that we can never know for sure.
      The connection between actions, morals, intentions, and social constructs is an extremely complex and fragile balancing act. I've noticed that people like to oversimplify situations like this (in overly forgiving or overly condemning ways), but ultimately the best way to find a solution is to "look at the full picture".

  • @dibyaudhdas1978
    @dibyaudhdas1978 2 года назад +3

    I know what you mean Agbadi,but ....we are deperate(most of the time).
    I might sound rude or weird but sorry in advance.
    for newcomers or underground artists,but competition is like opportunity for us.
    Proffesional artists might think its a waste to put so much hard work on a competition where the art would no longer belongs to you anymore.But for someone who's working the ass off for 4 years and more years learning those stuffs,the exposure or appreciation means a lot.Atleast these competitions help us to get into some limelight than all other popular ones.
    And some of them even allowed the commpetitors to post the challenge artworks on their social media accounts.

  • @izzyw3558
    @izzyw3558 2 года назад +5

    I’m sad adobe didn’t think this through more when they ‘advocate for artists’ so much >-> I remember seeing someone else talk in relation to this scandal about how the top cash prize was still probably undercutting market value for such work.
    Not only does it avoid paying spec work to artists it avoids paying royalties and additional licensing fees to the artist if the company wanted to put the art on different products ( e.g. mugs ) not in the contract and/or sell the merch in countries not in the original contract.
    Thanks for making great content like this making more ppl aware about how dodgy some of these things are

  • @sunnysenny1120
    @sunnysenny1120 2 года назад +6

    In my town the local board of education had an art competition for the new city public middle school logo. There was basically NO information given to the kids about what they get out of it (except that the winner would get exposure), what they were looking for, etc. I didn't enter because I was almost out of middle school anyway, and when I do these types of things I need more information of what the judges are looking for. Two weeks later, and I go to this one school app I use, and the logo has now changed. I was confused. I went to the board of education's twitter: Nothing about it. Facebook: Nothing. I asked one of my teachers. He said that our school was never notified of who won. Just that it was won. No one at my school knows who did the art. I asked some of the kids I know who go to different public schools in my city. NONE OF THEM KNEW. ...WHAT?! THEY DIDN'T EVEN GIVE THE ARTIST CREDIT!!! THE ONE THING THEY SAID THEY'D DO. sigh.

  • @sarahmatthews5878
    @sarahmatthews5878 2 года назад +6

    My High School participated in a city event where we painted pictures for a coffeeshop event (There was more to it but it's been more than a decade, so I don't remember the fine details. I remember the prize was a La'Rosa gift card. I wanted to get my art out there, but my dad told me I would be robbed and would not be paid for my work. I mean with hundreds of us entering along with other neighboring schools, I had a slim chance. So I didn't participate. I'm grateful for my dad seeing this scam.

  • @lol.4141
    @lol.4141 2 года назад +5

    Love the bully soundtrack in the background lmao

    • @MohammedAgbadi
      @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +2

      hahha its amazing!! did you spot the rdr2?

  •  2 года назад +4

    Bruh as an artist, it breaks my heart when people do this to people who dedicated hours to make their art work good enough just to get something. Like, Billie Ellish, music is nice, but she had success so much already at a young age, many of those artist who she possibly took art from, dreams of being. Even myself.

  • @eelextricghost
    @eelextricghost 2 года назад +8

    When it comes to selling things at cons and things, there's some stuff artists have to follow.
    The thing the artist is "selling" is the artistic representation of said media. It's pretty complicated but the jist is that as long as the art isn't too similar to the official product then it falls under fair use. Some companies have different views on what is similar and what isn't. As long as the artist isn't presenting the official characters as their own and are clear they are just selling the art and not the character it's totally okay.

  • @mochibunnyan6556
    @mochibunnyan6556 2 года назад +5

    The Embassy of Switzerland actually contacted my school (it’s an art university, but also offers a senior high school program, which is what I’m in) and asked if students were interested in submitting potential logo stuff using a some kind of tree to “show unity between Switzerland and the Philippines”. The fuckin Embassy of Switzerland. The prize for getting your artwork selected?
    A Swiss watch.

  • @EagerBeast
    @EagerBeast 2 года назад +2

    This is true, I participated in an art contest for tshirt design of famous amusement park. Sadly I didn't win any place but it's ok because there's a lot of great artist from the competition. But one of my friend visit the amusement park and saw my art placed on a tshirt in a souvenir shop. I didn't get any money or even credit my name by using the art. =(

  • @cybergalacticnova
    @cybergalacticnova 2 года назад +6

    ok tea
    I play this game and they do logo design contest exactly like this. Heck, even voice acting contests, and SOCIAL MEDIA WITH FOLLOWINGS contests. Prizes, measly in-game currency that can be easily obtained.
    And last year, there is this Pay Your Artists controversy. A fanartist was misled/manipulated into doing art for the game on a work-basis WITHOUT PROPER COMPENSATION, which is in-game currency worth $15 USD of stuff.

  • @DeeDust
    @DeeDust 2 года назад +3

    I think my favorite encounter was a dude coming into my art school looking for "artsy" students to paint a dozen ticket booths for him in exchange for some sandwiches and exposure in the form of a good word with other business people he knew. He was very indignant to be shown out the door because he was obviously ready to do all the poor students there a favor with his very important job.

  • @FamiliarlyFrigid
    @FamiliarlyFrigid 2 года назад +4

    I honestly never assumed these contests ever gave out money. It's great that some do, but I never imagined I could get paid for making fanart outside of commissions. I've always only been interested in it for the fun of it.

  • @DeathsquadDemongods
    @DeathsquadDemongods 2 года назад +5

    This reminds me of when Amanda Palmer was going to pay musicians in hugs and high-fives. Which is sorta okay when you're a broke touring musician hoping to get gas money to get to the next town, and much much less so, when you cleared a million dollars on your Kickstarter and are married to a multimillionaire author. This was about 7 years ago, and a ton of the internet chatter was defending her "She wants to do it and the musicians want to do it, so what's the problem?" gross.

  • @moonshineaudios5740
    @moonshineaudios5740 2 года назад +7

    Now don’t attack me for this but to answer your question, I’m one of those artists who is open to selling anime/game fan work, inspired by, etc, like clay, Resin and even fanart if someone requests. Usually it’s for these reasons:
    1. Some people may not be able to afford official/affiliated merchandise.
    2. Some people may not be able to receive the custom commissions they might otherwise want from the official company eg them with a character they like, specific accessories with a particular character etc
    3. Some people may specifically like how a character looks in your style and would pay to have an image of their desired anime character in it.
    4. Making anime/game/comic/movie items as a small business is a good way to attract people of that fanbase to purchase more of your work.
    This might be a scummy thing to say, but if it’s a widely known franchise with a very popular name that makes a lot from movies, merch, subscription channels etc, it’s a lot easier on my conscience as the money I make is extremely minute compared to any of theirs, and most likely my business most definitely won’t affect or knock down their income in any way.
    However, creators around the same level as I am, whether higher or lower in income, are completely off limits. Also as I become much much bigger, I’ll slow down and stop selling fan made work as I will have built my brand to the point where my characters and my original products are what brings traffic in.

  • @artshania6362
    @artshania6362 2 года назад +3

    Its not that because my art drawings are bad but I hate participating for this I'm aware on this kind of contest even in writing I knew this kind of money price contest is scams also I hope you have content on Fans complaining in anime because their character isn't there

  • @spiderlily723
    @spiderlily723 2 года назад +2

    10:50 Oh no, I'm culpable of... thinking people should READ CONTRACTS THEY READ. Truly, how hearthless and in no way reasonable expectations!

  • @MsSumoon
    @MsSumoon 2 года назад +8

    If you are doing an art contest have the courtesy to let those who lost own their work back OR if they end up using any of the “losers“ works at least pay them some kind of compensation it won't hurt anyone financially and it would actually help out someone that needs money to do so.
    About fanart, it's in a very delicate position, I would love to sell my original characters, but people will always want for example- a Supergirl print from me, why? Because they like my art style and they think it's neat, but nothing is stopping DC comics from asking me to take it down.
    Funny story- I do sell some stuff on my Redbubble, and it's fanart, I did a series of fanarts of Barbie movies, so far Mattle hasn't come copyright claiming my work on their, but DISNEY has and it's not even theirs to being with, they have made redbubble take down my BARBIE as Rapunzel fanart more than once, and the way I managed to stop the bot was removing “RAPUNZEL“ from the title and the tags, but here is the catch, what if I had a character named Rapunzel and uploaded something on Redbubble with her name, will Disney catch me? Because Rapunzel is in a fairy tale and they can't do anything about it but they won't take the chance and will make redbubble take it down because “it might“ be their version of Rapunzel.
    So far Mattel is very very chill about fanart and people selling fanart, Disney, and Viacom on the other hand, are very trigger-happy to do so.

  • @Dartuche
    @Dartuche 2 года назад +2

    Selling fanart is illegal and in breech of copyright. If the IP owners chose to, they could choose to sue people for the cost, but most don't bother.

  • @starbisworld
    @starbisworld 2 года назад +6

    You make the best art commentary vids!

    • @MohammedAgbadi
      @MohammedAgbadi  2 года назад +1

      Wow, thank you so much! i try my best.🥺

  • @meikahidenori
    @meikahidenori 2 года назад +5

    I always read them when I see a contest I want to enter. 9 times out of 10 if it doesn't say open internationally it's US only and if you're an overseas artist who wins the contest you get told 'sorry can't send you prizes' despite them not specifically saying it was available only to residents of a particular country. ALWAYS check for this and if it's ambiguous, ASK. It sucks as most video game fan art contest are US exclusive and when you're an Australian fan you NEVER get any competitions for them worth entering.
    Honestly though how I feel is if you're looking at entering a contest and you don't understand or agree with the terms, simply don't enter. Most of the time people who DO enter know what they're in for and why they're entering and arr just happy to submit something. It's not a common enough occurrence to see companies using entries that didn't win in promo materal ect... infact it's pretty rare as frankly you're going to want to promote the winners. (Not saying it doesn't happen, but in my experience it's not something that has happened and they don't chase after you for putting your entries up elsewhere to say you created it regardless if you won or not. Typically they want to move onto the next thing they have to promote.)

  • @camillewallwork8115
    @camillewallwork8115 2 года назад +2

    Just wanted to comment to clarify that the account "billieeilishtours" is not Billie or her team as stated at 2:51 but is just a fan. this is stated in the accounts bio as well

  • @SeoniKauna
    @SeoniKauna 2 года назад +3

    I entered an art contest in high school for an ethnics fest (which was open to all middle and high school students in the county) where the winner would not only get $200 but they’d also get their work featured on promo materials such as posters and banners. 2nd would get $150 and third would get $100. I think there was 10 honorable mentions that would get $50. The piece I did showed youth of different nations dressed in cultural attire joined hand-in-hand, earth and a banner of world flags was behind them, as if painted. Somehow I got first place, a girl from my school got second, and someone else from a different high school got third. I like to think I earned the top place but looking back there probably wasn’t that many entries to begin with so it probably wasn’t that competitive.

  • @valletas
    @valletas 2 года назад +1

    In the past megaman had competitions to decide some of the robot masters in the next game
    But thing is not only did they credit people in the game and award them with gifts and a special version of the game
    But they also redrew every drawing to basically use what worked and adapt the rest to make a more fitting robot for the games

  • @ChisaiHoshi
    @ChisaiHoshi 2 года назад +5

    Don't know how it works in other countries, but in my country we got "prawo do wykorzystywania wizerunku" (right to use image of person, character, music, movie...)
    Ex. Artist make fanart of X actresses and wants to sell it, they need get permission from x actresses or they can get into legal troubles.
    If you share pictures of x person on internet you have to get permission from that person.

  • @chrissyt8111
    @chrissyt8111 2 года назад +1

    Not a competition but we had an art show at school and I had a cut up kimono shape with different prints on the sections and hanging from a rail on a window so that the patterns and colours filtered through the fabric with sunlight. It took me so long to make and I was so proud and it was stolen. At first the school said it was simply in storage, but as my friends started receiving their work back I hounded my art teachers until they admitted it was stolen and they have no idea who it could be because it was a public viewing. I'm still so mad. I was only 16 at the time and it broke my heart.

  • @TheMediaMachine
    @TheMediaMachine Год назад +1

    This is why I never take part of any art contest. Never have when I was a kid and never have as an adult. You're doing free work and getting taken for granted to further someone else's bank.

  • @thanatoriousbum7473
    @thanatoriousbum7473 2 года назад +2

    Made shirts for two schools i went to. Over a decade later they still sell the shirts. And theres no way to prove i made em.

    • @jin2k290
      @jin2k290 2 года назад

      That’s your fault

  • @cobblerstone
    @cobblerstone 2 года назад +2

    I agree that the companies are at fault for manipulating the artists. However, we cannot downplay the artists' responsibility of being careful and reading through the terms of the contest. Artists who enter these contests are not helpless or stupid. We need to teach artists to be more careful and responsible when managing their artwork because these companies sure as hell will keep trying to scam them, especially since there are going to be more moments in the future where the artists are going to be manipulated for their art.

  • @nomorecallie
    @nomorecallie 2 года назад +2

    a company named hard jewelry did almost the same thing, they hosted an art competition and took MONTHS to choose the winner to the point where most people forgot about the entire thing, i entered and they asked me to send them my art piece because even though i didn’t win, they really liked my design. I sent the piece and i sent the receipt with tracking number and they took four months to even get back to me , meanwhile they were posting funny screenshots of dm’s with customers and posting other peoples art. they only paid me when i threatened to sue😭

  • @jadefairy1
    @jadefairy1 Год назад +1

    I had my tattoo art stolen made my tattoo in memory of a friend that passed got it done and three weeks after saw the tattoo artist post photos of my tattoo on some guys leg made me sick the 'artist' was never involved in the design of my tattoo but saw fit to steal it no idea how many people have my tattoo now

  • @jackpijjin4088
    @jackpijjin4088 Год назад

    Reminds me of the 'invention conventions' my school used to make us join in. I realized later that it was literally a 'scouting mission' for as-seen-on-tv companies... when I saw my invention being sold in stores years later.
    You know those shades that clip to your sun visors in your car to filter out sunlight?
    ...yeah.

  • @xPancakes4lyf
    @xPancakes4lyf 2 года назад

    its like , there would be no art, no movies, no music without artists and yet, companies always find a way to exploit them and turn art into a commodity while taking all the profits because......

  • @ammena
    @ammena 2 года назад +2

    When I was in the art school I participated in many contests as a child. Our teachers sended the best works to these competitions and guess what? They never returned them. Sometimes, we got paintings back, but school used them at the annual exhibition in the end of the year. The organisation of the exhibition was the mess so you had a chance to return your painting only in the beginning of the next year (and then, most of them were lost). That times, I had been extremely proud that most of my works had "competition quality", but in the end this fact led me to the depression. After 7 years of art school (we had 12 hours of study a week!) I quited it during covid. Looking through thousands of my paintings I only saw the bad ones. I couldn't find the ones that I had given my soul to so I started to question my passion and progress. In the end, I throw out everything connected with drawing and didn't want even remember it.
    There days when I miss the joy from drawing something, but this process to me is associated with pain and lack of recognition from all the world, including myself. The stealing of the work in any form is very painful and traumatising. Especially, for the child.

  • @evidencestorage8698
    @evidencestorage8698 2 года назад +2

    I participated in the Lil Nas X Adobe contest and was one of the persons contacted by adobe to send them my personal data, but was disqualified from the contest later on cause the contest was USA only They even posted my art on the Adobe gen create website .
    This whole thing was roughly 2 years ago and the grand price was supposed to be the artist of Lil Nas X next cover and 10,000$, guess what the winner was never announced and the cover was never released.

  • @BeautySnake
    @BeautySnake 2 года назад +9

    To my knowledge, a IP owner 𝘤𝘢𝘯 go after people for selling fanart at a convention, but it tends to be more beneficial to not do so. Fandom is important for cultivating interest during hiatus periods and fanart and merch is an important aspect of that. I think fanart can also fall under fair use in a case by case basis for the same reasons character knockoffs exist :0 it's very circumstantial

  • @tabbi888
    @tabbi888 2 года назад +2

    Our city council holds a fine art competition once a year, the winner gets $10000 which the council then owns. But those who haven't won get to keep their own work which is how it should be done.

  • @koffinrott
    @koffinrott 2 года назад +2

    I only participate in small* contests with cash or material prizes and only put in the work that I would for the value of said prize. Y'know, typically community contests held by other artists. They don't keep the work, and its usually fine for you to use it afterwards if you don't win. (Edited this because my comment wasn't clear.)
    City/Corporate contests are scams and always have been.

  • @AveryLonstride
    @AveryLonstride 2 года назад +6

    As an artist I don’t think that the Billie and Adobe art contest is a scam. They were clear and honest about the contest, the contestants knew that they weren’t being paid and their art might be used for profit. They might not know the legal details but they know enough. They went into this to not be paid but to be featured in their favorite artist’s album so, saying that they’re being scammed is ridiculous. This contest is a huge ad promotion for Adobe, they might legally own the art but them actually using it after the contest is so low that I can’t see it happening so, they aren’t even directly profiting (money wise) from the artworks.

  • @spiderlily723
    @spiderlily723 2 года назад +2

    15:50 "They didn't read their contract, so they shouldn't be required to actually fulfill what they SIGNED UP FOR!" Seriously? So I can use my laptop underwater and try to claim "I didn't read the insurance contract so you must give me new one"?

  • @MaryArts
    @MaryArts Год назад +1

    This is called a "pitch". Artists and Creatives send in their pitches to a client. The winner gets the job. The difference is that every participant gets compensation and well the winner... gets the job. Meaning money.
    THAT is how it works.

  • @elisanoro
    @elisanoro 2 года назад +1

    If I remember correctly, that newest competition always had a cash prize. Was it the amount that news article said? Not sure but I think it’s close if not exactly to what the competition page said

  • @saintmalevdraws
    @saintmalevdraws Месяц назад

    I sell a lot of fanart based stuff at comic conventions and on my etsy! Basically as long as you say it's inspired and don't use OFFICIAL art in any capacity you can sell fanart in any form you want. This is because you're not using their assets and art and saying that it's yours/passing it off as yours

  • @LovelyLina034
    @LovelyLina034 2 года назад

    I won a high school art competition back in my senior year of high school. I won 1st place in two separate categories since we were allowed one entry per category. I won in Computer Graphics and Ceramics and I was SO happy. I was posting photos online and to my family and friends and I still own the certificate and 1st place blue ribbons. Years later however and I no longer share my work online due to the fact that my art has been stolen so many times that it became a hassle to call out the thiefs since their friends and followers would then send hate my way for defending my work! And what makes it worse was that one of my pieces that won the competition wasnt fully done by me! It was a collaboration that was done by me and my boyfriend at the time and I had asked for his permission to enter the piece since it was both mine and his art piece. He said yes and he was very happy to know that our work made it through and won (even in the title of the art it says that it was a collaboration art piece). Knowing that to this day, some deviantart and twitter users still claim that my art is theirs when it is NOT makes my blood boil and it has made me think more than twice before i share any art even with close friends and family. That being said, I have had many people come up to me to pay for my art and while I want to sell my art, I put to much love and time into my pieces that its hard for me to let them go so I just have this collection of art i have made over the years.

  • @MythicalHex
    @MythicalHex 2 года назад +1

    something I realised with these things when they say all profit goes to charity is, you don't know what they file the expenses as, for all we know they could say their income costs a lot more for these particular products.

  • @cal.icopen
    @cal.icopen 2 года назад +1

    I'm a graphic designer.
    In college we were tasked to design underwear for a brand i wont specify (just in case) and told we HAD to submit our work to the contest this specific brand was doing at the time or else we'd had points removed from our grade.
    All that grading bullshit aside... It was highly annoying for all of us as many students were aware these were scams to have artwork "legally stolen" not to mention most of the times these contests are rigged anyways.
    This one in particular was your classic "like and share so I can win!!!" type of shit. Basically having people promote and advertize their product/brand for free around social media in the hopes their artwork can get picked and used and highlighted in a section in their website for a like... a week....?
    It sucks and it's always disheartening as an artist to have family and friends (especially family/friends who don't know how art/design works) encourage me or younger siblings to participate in these type of scams.. You get your hopes up as a "finally! a MASSIVE breakthrough!" and don't seem to understand, once you've won, why you earned nothing other than a thumbs up in facebook and an email from a bot saying you did a good job.
    BTW, no, I didn't submit my design lol I got points removen from my grade but I still passed so cest la fucking vie I guess.

    • @cal.icopen
      @cal.icopen 2 года назад

      BTW, It just ocurred to me... I also *despise* youtubers and streamers doing art contests... They don't typically steal your work (though it can/has happened) but it's a very blatant way to just get a massive amount of fanart and in many cases "free comissions" from unknowing teens and kids (or social media beginner artists).
      Most of the times I've seen this happen the content creator is very subjective and tends to use the fanart in their livestreams as free custom overlays or pfps. Forget about being tagged for your artwork too.. This has happened to me multiple times (personally or witnessing it) especially in small latin american communities (don't get me started with latin american vtubers/vstreamers).

  • @tommymclaughlin-artist
    @tommymclaughlin-artist 2 года назад +2

    "Exposure" is what you die from in the cold when you can't make the rent because you weren't paid in money.

  • @rena10009
    @rena10009 2 года назад +1

    pretty sure people who sell prints of IPs they don't own can be sued...but it's just that so many people do it, it's basically impossible to do anything about as the company. Like they can crush one guy, but it's the same thing as downloading movies/music. So many people do it that they pretty much gave up on suing people over it.

  • @chloeclarke3494
    @chloeclarke3494 2 года назад +3

    If adobe openly explained the rules and what you signed up too, I don’t think it’s a problem, but when they manipulate fans for profit. That’s not right.
    This is why we should always read conditions. But it’s adobes fault for not having it front page.

  • @Nooneinteresting470
    @Nooneinteresting470 Год назад +2

    Wasn't it Billie eilish herself who called out that magazine for using her face without her permission, yet she's out here stealing other people's artwork for her merch?
    Adobe and her need to get her shit straight.

  • @soloheroina
    @soloheroina Год назад +2

    terms and conditions need to be written in plain and accessible language. Its literally a form of deception to hide important details in walls of text and jargon imo.

  • @ren2896
    @ren2896 2 года назад +1

    Exposure is the worst payment for artist on their work and the time they put on it just to be snatch by company is garbage.

  • @DieezahArts
    @DieezahArts 2 года назад +4

    Art contests are only ok for kids or if run by people who don't intend to scam contestants but I guess it's too much to ask. Little kids will gain experience and maybe confidence from the art contest thing, that's what it did to my little girl a few years back. She's now a 12 year old artist who believes in herself and her skills a bit more than when she was 7. Too many "professional artists" don't really know much about intellectual property rights because there are so many different paths leading to an artistic career. Some did go through programs where they had to learn contracts and other legal and admin stuff on top of the actual art stuff while others didn't get the chance. I'm saying this after seeing many people get into dramas with clients/with artists in the indie writers community... It often stems from a lack of understanding of what intellectual property rights are and what they entail...