1.) Always arrive much earlier to your flight so u can choose your regular seat before others are checked in! 2.) Better even just check in online. And select the seat u want.
This is an old clip. the 'wrong pronouns' got debunked by people claiming to be on the same flight as this mother. Turned out she hadn't booked an extra seat for her toddler, based on the fact that under-2's fly for free as long as they stay on their lap. But. Then you have check the baby car seat into baggage. She didn't do that, she expected the flight to be empty enough that she could park the baby car seat on an empty seat beside her. At the gate, she got faced with the choice: you booked 1 seat, so toddler on your lap, and baby car seat gets left behind because it wasn't checked in. She refused, threw a temper tamper, and got denied access.
@@cd9954no transphobia in this clip. I don’t think he cares for the pronoun issues though. I think it is stupid to bitch about someone not using your preferred pronouns.
No locked cockpit door, direct and quick access to coffee and snacks, relaxed flight plans (mostly), yeah, if I were a pilot, I'd also aim for freight...
Ex-USAF, retired physician, current unemployed deadbeat and recreational pilot. If I ever thought to fly professionally again, I would only fly cargo. There's no force known to man that could compel me to fly pax.
Yes, MOST people DO - unfortunately now we live in a society in America where the mentally insane and mentally unstable/unhealthy are propped up at the expense of everyone else's rights. They don't want equal rights, they want special rights for themselves and the rest of us to bow down, and don't you dare question it!
Your statements are absolutely perfect. The airlines might not appreciate your "stay home" "do something else" comments, but I think it is wonderful of you to advise people this way. Good Job.
As a Finn, i find this gender discussion so funny as in my language there aren't any. It's all just hän. Except in informal speech, often just "it". "Where's Ann?" "It went to the store." Saves a lot of arguments. 😅
Ah, like the Dutch 'hun' (them). As a child, i used 'hun' as a pronoun because everyone was the same for me. It's only when grammar lessons became a thing in school that i was corrected and had to use individual (gendered) pronouns.
Damn confusing to this American when I was learning German and nouns had genders - masculine, feminine and neuter - which also affected the other words that went with them!! Funny that in German, "Mädchen"/"girl" is neuter in gender!!
@@weerwolfproductions I still correct my mother since she uses 'hun' way too much. She could have been your teacher in kindergarten, would explain it ;)
Much like Japanese. "Hito" means person. You have to go out of your way to specify a sex, eg. "onna no hito" (female person) or "otoko no hito" (male person). Japanese grammar is remarkably ungendered.
As a former frequent flyer, something I discovered years ago, still applied a couple of weeks ago when I last flew somewhere. Smiling, being kind and asking nicely is powerful mojo. Even with gate agents (who all seem meaner than flight attendants to me) People just want to feel respected and even when I don't feel respected I like to think I am mature enough to still show proper respect in return. I've seen this passively embarrass grumpy people and they dialed it down. Tho I've also seen a total a-hole gate agent get totally snotty with a women who was just asking an honest question. I started avoiding that airport and a couple years later that airline no longer existed. Not because of me, but their grumpy gate agents pushed people away from them. I agree with Kelsey, vote with your pocket book.
I concur that friendliness comes free and gets you places, most of the time. If you act unfriendly or condescending, you will get the appropriate response, whichever pronoun you use... That said, I did run into a gate agent on my last flight who was not fazed at all by my friendliness and still acted weird. But I'm a ray of sunshine, so asked her colleague who was a lot nicer. No harm done.
Yes, saying please and thank you can go a long way to improving your flight experience. In the end your on a bus ride, board with low expectations and the experience will be much less likely to cause you any anguish. The flight attendants are not your valets or handmaidens, like Kelsey said their main job is life safety and in the end the flight serves everyone on board, not just you, and they have to deal with planes full of entitled Ken's and Karen's all day long.
@@larrybremer4930 I feel FAs do way more than their job description entails already. Luckily, I can still schlepp my own stuff and help others with theirs. Most of the FAs are a lot nicer to be with than some of the other passengers... so... there's that ;-) Luckily, entitlement is not so widespread here in Europe.
Kelsey proving he hasn't bought an airline ticket in over 20 years... saying someone paid $133 to fly from the east coast to Los Angelos?!? NOT IN THIS MILLENIUM BUDDY!
The appropriateness of this flight attendant is very questionable. This was a total inappropriate action to the customer. The flight attendant needs to be fired. Bugger the passenger who paid for the travel. She deserves to sue the arse off the airline. Who would ever want to travel to the USA
I am single and never really had a horrible airline experience. There are airlines I prefer over others and will pay a little more to fly them. I have done a fair amount of travel in my 62 years, both in US and abroad. I would travel frequently now if I could afford it. I enjoy seeing new places and learning about new cultures. Traveling to me is both pleasure and educational. It helps me understand other customs and be a more accepting and kind person.
This has been debunked. She thought she would get away with not booking a seat for her child and expected to have a seat when she got on the flight, so she brought a car seat, thinking it would get her an extra seat she didn't pay for. She then made this story up because she's clearly a hatemonger and knew certain people would take her at her word when many witnesses stated she was in the wrong, and it had nothing to do with pronouns. All she had to do was leave her car set and have her kid sit on her lap just like any other person with a kid they didn't book a ticket for.
The mother was already past the gate on the jet bridge with her child and car seat before being called back because she had said to the gate agent “Thank you sir” without realising the sir thought “it’s ma’am”. The sir got upset telling the DEI trained supervisor to get the mother and toddler back to the gate. The stuff about carry on was made up by United after the fact to save face. The mother retained a lawyer to sue for defamation, which apparently has now been resolved out of court.
@@av_oid I have used wrong pronouns numorous times and never had a problem like this. I have a feeling there is more to this story than you a telling us. I have met and worked with so many trans people over the years. No one is this petty
What did we learn? 1. Board the plane 2. Sit down 3. Be quiet 4. Don’t cause a disruption on the plane, because, more than likely, even if you are right and the flight attendant wrong, you are the one that will be sent off of that flight. Lesson learned. Thank you @74 Gear
While deadheading on a US airline I witnessed how a born and raised in the US passenger was offloaded because: 1) He brought an alcohol minibottle from the biz lounge 2) He was leaning his feet against the bulkhead in front of him, he was wearing no shoes, just socks I could feel how the capital B (I would normally call her a fellow crewmember but not this one) was after the guy for some unknown reason. The passenger was travelling with his girlfriend, neither of them was in any way unruly, just the opposite, they were polite even after being told they were going to be offloaded . I felt sorry for them, the guy could not believe what was happenning. He knew the game, he remained polite, just said something in the line of "come on!" and they were both escorted by agents. Shame on that capital B, I would not have liked her to be on any of my flights if that was SOP for her.
The great philosopher CPT Kelsey delivers yet again 😂 Sound advice about traveling with your kids, as a parent of 4 we've done our fair share of flying when my older two were babies being stationed overseas and it gets miserable and stressfully, by the time we got there i was ready tonjust leave and go back home and take a few extra days to unwind & relax from the traveling nightmare 😂 Our kids remember the time spent with us not these grandiose places we went, but they did have fun. From a retired Army veteran, I love your channel brother
I worked with the military in Munich and couldn't help but admire the military spouses who had to travel with children--sometimes very young ones on long flights. I'm sure Kelsey knows that flying with children is necessity for some. I traveled a lot when young and lived in three different European countries, then traveled 3 or 4 times a year until I retired. I grew so tired of flying after a while!
He was being ironic. Flying isn't just about seeing landscapes or buildings you definitely do not have at home or nearby. It's a enriching experience, a priceless one. When he said: "If you're 18 or 20 y/o", well, how many 18 or 20 y/o's you think watch this channel? He knows how valuable it is to travel and said so many times, for example, when he mentioned the anecdote about going over the Andes looking down and saying: "Wow, can't believe I even get paid to do this".
You are so right! Start with greeting the FAs standing at the door when you board and being pleasant to your seatmates and the FA in your section. Works brilliantly!!
@@cr4ckrocksteady hello is very informal, that is how. I know many English speakers have trouble with concepts of “politeness”, but in many cultures, you might say “hello” to your buddy buds, but not to customers or people you are in formal relationships with. Saying “hi” in that context can be sign of disrespect because it kind of asserts that “I am so high and mighty I can use informal language with you even when we don’t know each other because you mean nothing to me”. So yeah, Americans unaware of this are considered rude and disrespectful at large in many other cultures.
I love this you tube channel. I love this pilot / Captain speaking in this video such a humble man with a good heart always focused on every person's safety and always staying calm in chaos. Much Respect 💕🙏
You think ticket prices have dropped over the years? Did you add the surcharges for checked baggage, gate checks, carry-ons, water, for being seated together? The surcharge to sit in a reserved seat, in the the exit rows? An extra $25 to speak to a live ticket agent, because websites can't handle broken segments? Or the insane price to fly standby, when the airline would LOSE money if they let those seats fly empty? Last time I flew, my "ticket" price nearly doubled while I was booking it. Twenty years ago, that didn't happen.
I've never seen anyone flip out over wrong pronouns anywhere else but the internet -in my experience my trans coworkers don't even seem to care when it happens and are more embarrassed when people actually apologize for it when they realize their mistake.
yup. as a nonbinary person who uses they/them, i honestly cringed at the long apologetic speeches id get from my manager when she realized she misgendered me. ive lived my whole life abused (edit: i cant elaborate too deeply but its domestic religious abuse) for just being me, so in these situations i badly want to say “i can suck up being called the wrong pronoun if you let me actually forget about it”
@@TrippyTooni First, go finish 8th grade so you can construct a correct sentence. Second, you should understand as a Alphabet person that you are not special. You were not "just being me", you were trying to present yourself as someone or something completely different. Get over your pronoun addiction and seek therapy.
@@eerolz8758yep, there’s no way this lady is being honest. Also: does anyone remember when women changed from Miss and Mrs to Ms? People had cows about that too and now it’s fine. The bigots will eventually just get used to this it’s not a big deal. 🤷🏻♀️.
In all these videos I've watched of people getting booted from their flight, 99.9% of people are always claiming to be the victim, when in fact, they are the problem and aggressor.
A quick Google search of articles relating to this indicates that it does appear likely that the woman was kicked off the flight due to a "mis-gendering" incident, though the matter will apparently be litigated and we may get to know the full truth then (or the truth gets buried in a settlement....).
Mostly just making excuses like I can kick passenger or delay flight for hours, completely skipping, oh like, telling flight attendant to shut up, do her job and then start the flight.
Thia was by far some of the best flying advice I've ever heard, as well as just some plain good common since. Kelsey, you keep getting better and better. If you pilot an airplane as well as you make videos, I'll be safe flying with you! (And I hate to fly!)
Shocking that Kelsey going around the world near every international airport that can accommodate a 747 with 30 knot tail wind and they're all the same 😅
I wonder though if the special treatment really is as much of a deal. Sure, the other cockpit crew will talk to you, which they really try to avoid towards passengers, but apart from that - you are probably expected to be even more polite and nice and understanding. Gotta find some uniform to check that out...
I was a police officer for 38 years. I have had to deal with these types of...issues more than you may believe. You have common sense. Unfortunatly we all know of those who do not posess this trait. That is when you are called in as a Captain to have to deal with a situation on your aircraft or I as a police officer would have to deal with it on a call for service. It seems that people are just not undestanding anymore. And I totaly agree with you regarding spending thousands of dollars to travel. (Although I have to admit my trip to Alaska was really cool!) Thank you for the great, informative videos displaying common sense.
It’s all about pandering to the unrealistic expeditions of idiots with access to social media. Personally, I don’t care what you want to be called, if you wish to dress as the opposite gender. Does it affect or harm me; no. In fact, those I’ve knows who identified as Trans simply dressed accordingly, and 90% of people would call them He or She based on their attire - you know; as humanity has done for the last 20,000 years. What does tic me off is that you know these protestors don’t really care - they just love the attention
I saw a guy who changed to girl at the carglass place. It was obvious and we called her mam in german. We Tried to be normal and in the end "she" thanked us for treating her so well and she never had that experience. She shed some tears. Poor person needs a psychologist.
Geez... The end of this video! What a rant! Didn't see that coming lol. What is wrong with families wanting to travel? We travel with our four kids. My husband is a pilot and he loves sharing his favorite destinations with us. I'm so glad he doesn't just want to come home and binge netflix like Kelsey lol. Yes, it can be stressful but we make amazing memories that our kids love to bring up and talk about. And no, we don't put it on a credit card but I realize having flight benefits makes travel much more affordable for us. If families can afford it, go travel and explore! Nothing wrong with that. Also, why did Kelsey assume the mom with babies trying to gate check her stroller, etc. was going on a vacation? People have lots of different reasons for boarding an airplane. She could have been going to a funeral, wedding, or maybe seeing family she hasn't seen in years. She's not necessarily headed somewhere to sight see. Just another thought. Anyways, I'm interested in aviation because of my husband's career and have been watching Kelsey for a long time, but definitely disappointed with this rant.
I so agree with Kelsey’s philosophy. At 65 I’ve flown a small handful of places, but I’ve taken a lot more local trips, driving places to go camping, to go to Lake Michigan, to visit Toronto, etc. I’ve loved these trips close to home and now I’m retired and I might actually have the money saved up to fly places…but I’m not sure I’m going to do that. I detest flying and I’d rather go to places I can drive to in 4 or 5 hours.
Apart from the consumer power advice, the best advice was about going to live in another country for six months. You don't learn anything real about a country in a week or two, ticking the tourist and insta boxes. Live there, participate, learn, make real friends, volunteer (not with high profile projects), help someone fix something or make something better, learn about real life and challenges, understand - live, don't be tourist voyeur. I had the privilege of doing that for 4.5 months this year and I hope to do it for 6 months next year. There are often working holiday opportunities for younger people where you can go for a year or two - I wish I had known about these when I was younger.
you have singlehandedly floored all the insta, tik tok, yt travel bloggers, agencies, influencers etc by saying: I've been to all those places, it's all the same. such opinion suits a tired 70 year old:) I couldn't stop smiling thou:)
Cattle? (19:03) Love it! My Mom, now deceased, was a Stewardess, (remember when Flight Attendants were called this?) back in the 1950s with Capital Airlines, (I believe bought out by United.) She had the Baltimore / DC route and would tell me stories from those days. She told me a story about when the passengers were coming from the gate heading to the aircraft. She said that on almost every flight, one of the Stewardesses would say, "Well, get ready. Here comes the cattle." Thanks for the memory Kelsey! Side note... The last time I flew, after I was seated, a Flight Attendant asked me how I was doing. I looked at her and replied, with a smile, "Mooooo!" She immediately started laughing and we became friends on that flight!
Cattle from the 50's would be Royalty compared to the average person flying Economy these days. I can't imagine the word your Mum would use if she was working these days haha.
Kelsey you nailed this one, the advice part of this video, impeccable 😅. I am well travelled also due to work, now I am so over it. I like nothing more than being at home, hanging out with loved ones and just ME, chilling 😅. I am in the UK when I see the major air ports over flowing with people stuck, sleeping on the floor, arguing etc, due to weather or other issues that cause delays, I start feeling stressed just seeing the situation. I am always sad for the kids and pets. Thinking ability is not very prevalent today. So Aaaaaaaah, 74 captain I am with you on this one. Snacks! Trust you to mention 😂 Thanks for the laughs Kelsey
@74 Gear. 100% correct. I've been a FF since 2005 and I 100% agree with you. Once you've seen some of these far away places are all the same. Yea, Tokyo, Seoul, London, Munich, Amsterdam, Johannesburg, Sydney, etc. Sure they have their charm and unique things, but once you've seen it that's that. Do it when you are young, spend some time there, even a few weeks is enough but the more the better. Educate yourself with other cultures, and experience life, but a beach is a beach, a tourist trap is a tourist trap, and trinket is a trinket. When I have vacation, I am 100% disconnect and try to avoid flying.
Absolutely brilliant! I totally agree with everything you said. Im from the uk, did i load of traveling in my 20’s Got married, settled down. Then my wife needed to see the world, so off we went. We ended up living in Cape Town (where i got my ppl.) Then moved to Adelaide South Australia. I absolutely love it here, unfortunately my wife didn’t. She still had the travel ‘bug’.. I didn’t. She is now back in the uk and has a camper van and travels round the uk and Europe. After 16 years of living here i took my first trip back to the uk last year. All that trip did was confirm that i made the right decision to leave. Home is where the heart is. Keep the great content coming Kelsey.
What I took from the rambling video is you’ve flown with hungover flight attendant crew. “Because you went out and did stuff.” You preach the rules but no crew should be flying hungover, pilots or flight attendants.
"Understand the world better" - YES!!! As an American who's lived outside of the country for about half my life, spending time in another culture: learning the history, food, language, etc of a different place is AMAZING!!!
I'm an American now retired in Japan and have been here 21 years. I didn't plan that. I previously lived in Taiwan 3 years and China 1 year. I married a Chinese who changed citizenship to Japanese but sadly doesn't speak English. Totally agree that everyone should try living in another country if they can, and you never know what will happen or how it will change your life. I agree with Kelsey that you should travel while you're young. That was when I started. Now that I'm old and retired I really don't feel like traveling although I would like to see Europe, but before I would've wanted to go to London but it's so expensive so Ireland or Finland sound better. London would have a lot to see, but if I wanted to travel to a crowded city I can easily do that in Japan.
@@NykkiLaneLane understand the world better, is that really something Kelsey said in this Video? If so that's super ironic because I didn't make it past his transphobic rant.
Amen brother! I travelled overseas while serving in the Navy. Joy is like oxygen. It's available everywhere and no more abundant or special than at home.
Kelsey, giving us a total reality check - right down to more snacks for him - and I am loving it. Somewhere, a marketing department manager's head explodes.
There's something I don't get here...in a random situation, how do pronouns come into play in a situation like this anyway? If this woman is talking to the flight attendant in question, pronouns would only be applicable if she decides to use the third person. If she's talking to ANOTHER flight attendant about the attendant in question, then for some reason she's talking about someone, meaning there was probably an issue to start with because they're talking ABOUT someone. I can't, sincerely, think of a legitimate reason that pronouns would come into discussion unless the customer said "sir" or "ma'am" (which are nouns, not pronouns) and then refused to correct herself when told differently.
I cant sincerely think of a legitimate reason a person would pretend to be something they are not and want others to play along with their mental illness. Thats why at my nephews middle school they have litter boxes for Kids who are pretending they are cats, they actively defecate in, and having transvestites drag queens targeting children programs. When you follow along with things that go against nature and all truth, you lose all self respect.
@@hizgrase Honest question - when the gender identity of someone is either obviously not of their biological sex or in question, would you not just drop the sir or ma'am and just say "excuse me"? It's kinda like saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" to someone who you see is wearing a Yarmulke, it just seems like the cordial thing to do.
I think there’s a bit more to this story. Back when it happened, it was reported it was about a check on bag. Apparently she was blocking the aisle over something to do with a carry-on, and then once the situation was already escalating she started to pointedly refer to a flight attendant as a “Sir”, who was wearing a dress. It went more downhill from there. She was taken off the plan, and then rescheduled like later that day, or the next day, and the airline assisted with that.
Kelsey this is probably one of the best video podcasts about flying everywhere. When I was 15 my parents took me on the 9 country tour in Europe. Now that I am older things close to home appeal to me. There’s nothing new under the sun. I am no longer credit carding myself into debt flying everywhere. However I would not mind seeing Iceland again; in July.
15:16 Totally agree! I have lived in 3 continents too (South America, North America and Europe: Perú, Argentina, Uruguay, Long Island NY, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany) and mostly: "you've seen one scenery and you've seen them all". The most important thing is to surround yourself with the best people and learn things that are worth educating yourself for. 😊
One of your best Kelsey. Certainly provided a lot pf conversation. The Paranoid thrive on paranoia, they find threats everywhere because that is the nature of paranoia.
Thats NICE and all, but Kelsey's declaration we should all be totally spineless about a false accusation really rubs me the wrong way. It seemed to amount to "my airline operations problems outweigh your civil rights every time"
@@Bureaucromancer I think what he meant is that if he refused to leave the plane then the officials make everyone get off the plane and it would also increase the likelihood that he would have faced some type of penalty for causing this to happen. It wasn't about giving up his civil rights, but clearing it up off the plane. Which would really suck if you didn't do anything wrong. Kelsey is just saying it needs to happen off the plane or it will make it worse.
@@juliepender7157 but it DOESNT need to happen off the plane. That’s Kelsey as a pilot saying he doesn’t WANT it there; realistically speaking Davis was contractually entitled to be on the plane, and legally entitled not to be arrested; the idea that the time and place those rights and entitlements are being violated isn’t the place to stand up for them is outright offensive insofar as it means they aren’t actually rights or entitlements but something that some guy with a badge can decide he doesn’t care for.
@@jonathanparks207 Without cause they are going to run into significant carriage contract issues if private property is the only leg they have to stand on.
I wonder if there's more to this...I have lost track of how often I'm called "ma'am" or "miss" based on something with the sound of my voice, at this point I don't even care enough to correct them anymore. In person interactions they usually realize after a moment I'm a guy but still happens when starting conversations
My mother was always mistaken for a man on the phone. So strangers calling, especially if selling something, would call her sir, or Mr So and So and felt silly when she said this is Mrs So and So. She wasn’t bothered by it. But my mother doesn’t sound like a man to me.
I am constantly mistaken for a man. You know what, it doesn't matter in the least. It doesn't change or affect me. It is immaterial. I can't believe the BS going on these days. We went from rights for everyone to utter pettiness. The tyranny of political correctness driven to extremes.
@@juliapotter3250 When I was young with the blonde hair down to the bum, I got addressed as female in the disco, and had more than a couple hands on my butt. Taken in good humour, it's all fun. Once you obsess over something and try to be always right, you turn into a Karen either way...
I'm the opposite, I seem to be assumed to be a man if someone isn't seeing me, just from voice or from my writing style. Unless it matters, I don't bother correcting, but I personally don't mind. I have trans friends who do mind, and we all make all effort to call them the thing they've said they're comfortable with. :)
Jordan, watch more videos. It is very apparent that the passengers Kelsey flies are almost always military (and sometimes professional sports teams). I just watched a video in which he blurred out the faces of soldiers.......
Aside from the inane root subject matter, this is one of your best videos . . . straightforward and to the point! Well done. As an aside, I'm thinking if I were to become a pilot - unlikely given that I'm almost 70 and I fly RealFlight Simulator into anything AGL - I'm thinking FedEx, UPS, or DHL. Those passengers don't talk back. :)
Amen to what Kelsey said at the end. Traveling with kids is a giant pain for all involved. We have lakes, rivers, theme parks, etc w/in a 2-3 hour drive of us and the kids have just as much fun doing local vacations as flying off to somewhere exotic and spending a ton of $$.
I landed in Phoenix in 1994 and have been driving in circles around Sky Harbor trying to find the exit to the 143 ever since. Someday I’ll make it out of this airport and see the rest of Arizona.
@Stephen_Black I hear you. It's always changing. We landed at midnight and all I wanted was to get home but getting out of the airport was a challenge.
@@Stephen_Black I live in Phoenix part-time and often fly while I'm there. The airport itself is nice, but yeah, driving around it is a nightmare, especially with some directional signs placed where you can't see them until the last second, and you find out you're in the wrong lane and have to lap the airport again.
If safety is the prime objective of the FAs, might their being hungover (5:30) be something that also jeopardizes safety? Personally, I‘d like to be sure the FAs and pilots are not hungover
When I fly, which is not often, I say "Good morning", "Thank you", "Excuse me" and not much else. My goal is to get to one of my son's houses. I usually sleep my entire flight, try not to bump into anyone or take up more than my fair share of space. I have learned that being polite works better and being an asshole doesn't really work all that well. I am about 99% sure this woman was probably being an asshole about something totally unrelated to her narrative.
I do the same. But sometimes there are people who look for problems. It could be a passenger who drank too much. Or it could be a jerk employee who for unknown reasons targets certain people just because they can.
You have my admiration for your maturity and my respect for understanding that air travel is stressful and any attempt to mitigate the stress is laudable! It is nice to see a like minded person.
Look girl, you have a weird take.If this was reality, then chances are many people would've been misgendering and being kicked off. Girls like you really should consider that maybe not so get hooked on this tiktok rage bait.
When PEOPLE contacted United for comment on Thursday, June 27, the airline said in a statement that the incident was instead related to the passengers having too many carry-on bags. “A party of three traveling out of San Francisco today was not allowed to board following a discussion about having too many carry-on items,” the statement read. “The matter was resolved and the customers took a later United flight to finish their trip.”
I’m a flight attendant for a major USA airline and this video made me laugh in so many ways. There is a phenomenon that happens when a passenger boards an aircraft. They seem to lose all common courtesy and manners. Tapping on the shoulder to get my attention is nothing because 99% of the time passengers tap me on the a$$. Big deal? No. But when you have 3 flights with 200+ pax on each flight = 600 pax to manage. That can be a lot of a$$ patting in a day. On the other hand, in my work group some FAs are way too sensitive and touchy about things. I blame it on hiring practices in recent years where the bar is set pretty low. My opinion. I’m about to retire within the next 10 months. I’ll probably never step foot on an airplane again. I actually really enjoy my job a lot. I show up on time, wear what I am supposed to wear, carry my required equipment, do my assigned position and call it a day. I smile and do my best to stay in my own lane. By the time I get home I couldn’t even tell you where I went because it is all the same. Airlines are trying to squeeze every penny by packing in more seats, crewing with minimum crews, short layovers, long days with multiple flights. It takes a toll on the crews and the passengers. 🤷🏻♀️
Lmao, people like you are the problem. You don’t manage anything. The people on the plane are paying for you to do your job, and that makes them your boss. If you want to pretend that you manage them, they will make it hard for you. It’s 100% caused by the attitude of the flight crew. So if you want your job to be easier, then you need to respect the people who are the reason you make a pay check. They pay your salary and are your boss.
@@adamr9215 My “boss” is not the passengers. The problems happen when they think they are in charge. Just like the pilots, we are primarily there for safety. That includes managing drunk passengers and a wide range of other passenger issues.
@@TheLindaEdit Lmao, that’s what you think. Those passengers are paying for service, it’s part of the agreement to buy a ticket. Now you think you don’t have to provide that service? No wonder people don’t like airlines and the horrible people they employ. People like you are the reason. Just like wait staff, you think you are more important than you are. You could be replaced with a monkey and people would enjoy the improvement in service and more polite staff. You are in the service industry, and therefore your job is to serve those who paid for the ability. You are not to boss them around, they are paying and you deal with it. There is no bigger joke than a stew saying they have anything to do with safety. Usually, stews just get in the way and cause more problems, and that’s according to NTSB reports.
My Dad was a pilot for a major airline. He passed in '05. Every time i fly, i smile at the FA's, pay attention during safety instructions, count how many rows to the exits (in front or in back of me), treat FA's with respect, thank crew, FA's, and cleaners as i exit. I would be horrified if any of these passengers treated my Dad like that. It is simple....respect, manners, and appreciative. It's not hard people!!
LOL. My husband, who was in the US Navy for 22 years, expressed that I should NOT expect him to go on any type of ocean cruise with me. He stated that he had cruised oceans enough! I have never asked him. 😊
That’s funny. My Dad also was in the Navy for 20 years, but he loved being on ships. My parents took many cruises together. My oldest son is soon to retire from the Navy too, I wonder what his thoughts of going on a pleasure cruise are.
Funny! I got out of the Navy after 8 yrs, got my Merchant Marine 3rd Engineer's license. Took my wife and daughter on a trip to the far east. They both enjoyed it!
i have long stopped flying unless absolutely unavoidable, i rather drive trans continental distances than go through the rigour and humiliation of boarding a plane
As a former hauler of passengers and then the last 18 years as a real cargo pilot ........ I share your feelings. Having to reposition on a passenger plane is the worst part of the job...
Kelsey, your comments at the end reminded me about about a complaint that my adult daughter has said. Her complaint is that we took her on some nice vacations and cruises when she was young, but because she was so young, she has no memories of them other than the photos. She said we should have waited until she was old enough to appreciate them herself.
True. I hoped taking my son to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum would make it an early memory. But nah, it's just my memory (and pictures to prove it!)
True. I remember thinking that when I went to Disneyland many years ago. I looked at all these families dragging around their toddlers who were too young to remember any of it later. Why go through the hassle and expense of a place like Disneyland when the kid would be just as happy at the local county fair?
I agree, that's why I lock my kids in the basement until I get back from a trip, they'll understand when they're old enough and have kids, phew, I was already worried that this would be insensitive of me, thanks for agreeing PS:I leave a video game and some cookies, they will survive
😂😅As college students, my kids learned they were somehow the ONLY people in the world who haven't been to Disneyland/Disney World and asked why we never went there. Why? Because not once in their entire lives did any of them ever ask or express any interest. Because we took them to so many other places that were *actually* interesting. They were a little taken aback by that response but after thinking about it for a few minutes they agreed. 😅😅😊
This was a great video. Anyone who has spent considerable time employed in aviation understands this. We fly when absolutely necessary, and skip the non rev fiasco. Great episode Kelsey.
I used to live in Cambodia, and when I needed medical help I had to fly to Bangkok Thailand. Air Asia was my favorite to book online. The flight was four dollars, but if you wanted a seat it was an extra 20 dollars .There were extra airport fees on both ends. Breathing while in flight was 25.00 more. Takeoff cost an additional 30.00 and landing was 50.00 extra. Carrying anything onboard was extra, looking out the window cost more too. Putting my seat back lower was 35.00, and using the tray table was 20.00. Booking online was free but paying with a credit card was 5% more. Talking was extra, as was looking at other passengers. Some people don't like this way to travel, I thought of it as a game. And all in it was less than half of what Thai Airways would have cost.
Great video! Just a thought: For you as a pilot, traveling might seem routine, but for someone stuck in an office all day, even a short trip can be a big adventure. It's all about perspective! What feels ordinary to one person might be exciting for someone else.
One word... PERSPECTIVE. This might be my favorite episode of yours so far! I'm my previous life, I was a midwife. I knew my clients wanted a glorious, peaceful birth, but nothing trumps safety. People are always complaining about situations and not understanding the complexities and consequences. In some cases, both parties 'lose' (frustrated pilot making safety decision because attendant has 'hurt feelings' and frustrated customer kicked off flight). In many cases, justice takes time (slow and steady wins the race) and the outcome will be well worth it. And as stated in your video, the wallet speaks!
The airline's side of the story is they were denied over a dispute about them having too many carry on items. People assuming this rant which tagged Musk is accurate... yeah.
We don’t have extra anything in Amarillo 😂 Had to wait 8 hours for a maintenance crew to DRIVE from DFW to come fix our plane once. Apparently that was quicker than just sending another one.
I'm 56 and have traveled a lot when I was in my teens and 20s. Kelsey is right regarding traveling. You see some cool location and a few others and they all end up being "Another exotic place, but it wasn't worth the chaos". I started writing this before Kelsey mentioned "Go camping in the mountains" and I was about to write exactly that. Especially if you live in the US, there are a LOT of places you can get to in a car in less time than flying (when you consider leaving to get to the airport, fly, get off the plane, get a rental)... in that time, you can drive hundreds of miles to get to some cool location inside the US. Camping, backpacking, beaches, skiing... mentioning skiing. If you ski, there's not a lot of difference between skiing in Taos or even around Lake Tahoe as there is in the French Alps. Once you hit the slopes, it's just the side of a mountain covered in snow. Go see Hawaii (just don't go on the tourist guide package), explore and enjoy, but going there over and over gets pretty boring. My travel buddy and I ended up spending eight of the fourteen days in Hawaii in the video game arcades (this was back in the early 90s). He and I had already seen everything to see in Hawaii. We'd been across Mexico and Europe, then it all blended together, the thrill was gone and so was tens of thousands of dollars. One does not get fulfilled by traveling around the world over and over. Do it once, or take a cruise ship to the Bahamas and another to Alaska (very relaxing and exotic). My son is in the Navy. In the last 9 years of being aboard a ship, he's seen every corner of the globe. He's had weeks to explore different ports of call and at first he was like, "Lisbon is SO cool!", Now he's at the point where he couldn't care less about where he's going. "It's just another tourist spot". That's exactly what it's like when you travel for the sake of travel. It all becomes another mountain or jungle or hot, sweaty, or cold and freezing place to go. Everything you need to see can be found right here in the US and Canada within driving distance if you have a couple weeks vacation. Sorry for the essay.
Camping was a blast with all my kids. They loved it. We went many places. Even if I could’ve afforded plane tickets for all the kids, I still preferred loading them in the van and driving. We played great music and they were singing the whole way and lots of scenery.
Back in the '80s I went with a tour group to Europe. 18 cities in 15 days, go home and develop your film to find out where you've been. It was fun and lots of good memories, but I don't really recommend traveling that way. The best part of the trip was the fact that we spent 3 days in Paris and I got to spend time with the people that I'd become friends with in the tour group and we just walked around the streets of the city rather than going to the tourist spots.
I prefer to travel to see my friends who are scattered around the world. Places do blend together, it's the people you spend time with in that location that make them memorable,
The only genuine cool experience when traveling to somewhere far away is the possibility to eat authentic food of that country. But you should have some guidance to pick the right restaurants. There is a difference, however, when your travels enhance your proficiency. Like, as an architect you mighr want to see some details in 3D as compared to a photo; or as a traffic planner, you might want to observe and compare the behaviour of e.g., cyclists in Germany and the Netherlands. But Kelsey and your son are right, the first couple of foreign destinations are somewhat fascinating. After that, you will find the same stores everywhere, a building is a building is a building, the climate doesn't suit you as expected; the locals show odd behaviors that you don't understand; they might speak languages which you don't comprehend. But, you will see your home country with different eyes -- if you are the type.
Most folk go on holiday off the back of being in a dull/unhappy place of work. The 'holiday' is thus an escape for most folk. The minute it becomes a job, the thrill is gone...as Mr Hawkins, Darnell and King would say. After many years, I'm kinda bored with travel.
Geez. I have enjoyed all your videos. Thank you for what you do and your insights in flying. This is the best one ever from my perspective. Maybe because you sound like me! Not everyone appreciates what I say, I am used to it. But darn, spelling it out so well is fantastic. Thank you!
Travel and many other things are just ways people assume will lead to happiness. But to chase happiness, is to choose to always be unhappy with the present - the only time where you really exist.
Not true for everyone. There are many happy people who are passionate about travel. Those are the people who have amazing experiences when traveling. Sometimes even transformative ones. Same thing applies to relationships. Finding a person to be with in life doesn’t make you happy. You need to already be happy before finding a partner. But the right partner can certainly enhance that happiness.
Sorry, but how did this become a matter of getting the flight attendant kicked off the plane? That's make believe to make a point that didn't seem to be the case (however the case was). I'm, as you, just going by what's said. As much as I enjoy your videos, this is taking an excursion into the abstract. Bottom line is that this may well have been justified, but not because it was a matter of flight attendant or passenger, but because of something that couldn't be reconciled. Sorry, but it's the first time I got too upset to watch past 8min.
Dearest Kelsey, I fear you are missing a brilliant commercial opportunity here. PAX are the greatest problem in air travel these days, they are disgruntled, they need feeding/watering, require rest-room breaks and fail to follow simple instructions. There is also the overhead of herding staff inflight to monitor them. Clearly the ideal solution will be to load the PAX in cold-storage as cargo, they will be quiet and are easily loaded flat-pack en-mass. Also for them the flight itself will seem to pass almost instantly. Win win.
agreed!!! 100% agree "I would like to associate myself with the comments of Mr. Gear" [unfortunately, not a "colleague" .. that was my dream job: pilot; but okay... I had a great career in mainframe computers]
According to United, the real reason the woman from the first clip was barred from the flight is because they (the party of 3) had too many carry-on bags. That being said, if a passenger accidently misgenders a flight attendant, I disagree that it would be a safety concern. We are all adults, we need to work around our differences. and we need to be more forgiving when people make mistakes.
I wonder if it wasn’t a pronoun issue but she was arguing with a flight attendant over bags and called a male flight attendant the word for a female dog. That is misgendering and being combative. However, we don’t know what happened. However, I doubt it was just using the wrong pronoun.
TBH this whole thing sounds like there really WERE two sides and a bundle of issues all being argued about at once. I'm a lot more irritated by the other story.
@@Bureaucromancer yes, that’s a lot more irritating as it has a lot of racist undertones. It’s unclear if the FA would have done that if it had been anyone other than a large man or large black man.
I really enjoyed your channel for a long time, but maybe do some due diligence before you open your yap. Believe it or not, people fly with babies all the time. I wouldn't recommend it, but I've done it myself, don't blame the victim for the crime dumbass. The vast majority of people who fly with toddlers or newborns don't do it for funsies: they do it because they have to. The "misgendering" thing was more about a person trying to get something that they didn't pay for, so they made up the whole controversy that didn't exist. Go back to your corner and think about what you said. I'm very sad that I have to do this, but I'm very much unsubscribed with prejudice.
Everyone has two things: rights and responsibilities. They want to their rights but forget about responsibilities, which to me, is more important. Also I can't figure all this out.
If you're talking about the crew member, can you elaborate on what their responsibility was in this situation? And do you think it odd that you admit you can't figure this situation out, but have seemingly already identified the party in the wrong? If I'm mistaken about who you were referring to, I apologize.
Agreed. A free society is only free when people respect the unwritten social contracts within it. You have the right to talk during a movie, but you infringe on other patrons right to clearly listen and enjoy a movie. There have been too many violations of social contracts while flying since the pandemic that infringe on other passengers' peace.
Guys, he’s right about living elsewhere. When I moved from my small home town to Los Angeles, the culture shock was massive despite being from the same state. It was a whole new biome of different peoples, cultures, food, celebrations, etc. I learned so much, and gained more of a worldview than I ever would have staying home. It was scary, way out of my comfort zone, but I’m glad I experienced that. I’m still in LA after 18 years and I’m still discovering new things. It’s terrifying to leave home. I cried the whole way. Was the fear and anxiety worth it? YES. A question for you, Kelsey: from all the places you’ve been, what is your favorite non-US American snack?
This woman's upset that she sucks and the airline kicked her off for a valid reason, then films a TikTok to try and enrage her follower (maybe more than one, but only if she's paying) by using a culture war buzzword.
Her name is Jenna Longoria. She's a wannabe social media influencer. Calls herself _The Period Guru._ 24k followers on Instagram. 1.4k on FB. I wouldn't be surprised if she deliberately caused the whole thing trying to get viral and gain a lot of followers. However, there is no proof of that. Maybe she is just amazingly selfish and unreasonable. 😅
@@danielch6662 There is absolutely no joke I can riff off of that with that isn't juvenile anatomy and physiology jokes. Wow. The problem with being famous and being an authority on one narrow thing is when you decide like Jordan Petersen or Joe Rogan that knowing about one thing and talking to other people who know stuff means you are relevant in other lanes. Ego takes over, and you get whatever this is. I'm sure that if you're having hormonal issues and want to regulate them through proper nutrition and exercise, she's great. She's a remedial airline passenger though, and a garbage human.
I just flew half way around the world. I’m always surprised what a mess the plane is after a long flight. They collect trash often, there’s no excuse for throwing stuff in the floor. None.
Right getting kicked off is crazyyy. I have flown so so many times in my life and I have never experienced ANYONE getting kicked off. I can’t imagine what you have to do to get kicked or denied. I’ve violated bag rules sometimes but i was always nice so no one ever said anything. Cuz i had my purse and a backpack and apparently one personal item means only one of those. Once you get to the gate no one cares as long as you can shove them under the seat. Flying is always pleasant for me, i like making up stories for all the strangers around me and where they’re going. And some times i got to have great conversations with people. It’s so cool i love planes
I don't like Atlanta due to the way you are herded, but I pay extra and get a connection in another city. But that's just me. I recently went on a cruise and chose to cruise from England rather than fly. But flying is sometimes a necessity, and I watch my Ps and Qs and just watch the films and sleep. Flying is a means to an end for me, but I do agree that you shouldn't put it on a card and then pay 24% or whatever interest. I also love hiking, so I get out in the hills. This is the first Kelsey rant I've seen. Perhaps there are more, but I agree that a quick google search could have debunked this lady. I still enjoy the videos, though, Kelsey. Keep them coming.
As an American, I agree that Rome is beautiful. But I absolutely disagree with billions of American dollars being sent to fight that silly European war while Europeans themselves are more concerned with American tourists than they are with Russian invaders.
People should be respectful, but that goes both ways. You want respect, you have to give respect. After all, respect is EARNED. If this woman feels done wrong, she needs to file a lawsuit. If she is in the wrong, she needs to move on and stop talking about it. I honestly feel for flight attendants, they have to deal with a lot of people, and not all of those people are having a good day. I'm usually not having a good day when flying. But i DO try my very best to not annoy the flight attendants or other passengers. Why? Is it because i am a nice guy? Nope, i do this because i want as little trouble when i fly as possible. And being an a-hole on a flight makes it WORSE not better. So be nice, even if you are an a-hole at heart. ^-^
I don't care if I have respect from the flight attendant. I just want them to do their job and not hassle me and I will not bother them unless absolutely necessary. Neither party has to respect the other for that to happen.
100% this is one side to the story. She immediately made sure to document that she was the victim. She was either being totally unreasonable and combative or something else like what was mentioned with the lap child.
My husband and I are retired now and just returned from Scotland - we live in America. The travel portion was so hard because we went 26 hours traveling there and back! We couldn't sleep on the flight from Seattle to Paris, and the LONG lines and waiting in Paris were so hard after being up for HOURS. We had the longest layover waiting to get back to our small town in the middle of nowhere. I am in no hurry to fly again internationally. We can do road trips in our own country thank you very much.
My 3 rules of flying:
1. Don't Die
2. Don't make the FAA want to talk to you.
3. Always pee one last time before leaving the ground.
and don't make the atc give u that phone number :/
1.) Always arrive much earlier to your flight so u can choose your regular seat before others are checked in!
2.) Better even just check in online. And select the seat u want.
The FAA won't talk to you... The Police might though. The FAA, at best, will talk with pilots.
You sir are a very smart dude!
Sir, you are a very wise man
This is an old clip. the 'wrong pronouns' got debunked by people claiming to be on the same flight as this mother. Turned out she hadn't booked an extra seat for her toddler, based on the fact that under-2's fly for free as long as they stay on their lap. But. Then you have check the baby car seat into baggage. She didn't do that, she expected the flight to be empty enough that she could park the baby car seat on an empty seat beside her.
At the gate, she got faced with the choice: you booked 1 seat, so toddler on your lap, and baby car seat gets left behind because it wasn't checked in. She refused, threw a temper tamper, and got denied access.
Came here to confirm this déjà vu, ty
Shhhh that ruins his narrative and then he can't express his transphobia
@@cd9954gross take.
“ Much ado about nothing” very petty.
@@cd9954no transphobia in this clip. I don’t think he cares for the pronoun issues though. I think it is stupid to bitch about someone not using your preferred pronouns.
I spent the best part of 50 years in aviation, the last 10 in only cargo operations. They were the best. No cabin crew, no passengers. Bliss.
I can understand that. Cargo don’t talk back.
Enough snacks?
No locked cockpit door, direct and quick access to coffee and snacks, relaxed flight plans (mostly), yeah, if I were a pilot, I'd also aim for freight...
@@johndelconte9915 - and there's only *_ONE_* pronoun for cargo.
We used to call passengers self-loading freight, tongue firmly in cheek.
I flew 747 passenger and freight. The freight never complained once..
Cargo has caught on fire before. I'd say that's a pretty big complaint.
@@ypw510 Was just going to point out that cargo complaints arent verbal.
@Paul-kw1og so original never heard that one before
Ex-USAF, retired physician, current unemployed deadbeat and recreational pilot. If I ever thought to fly professionally again, I would only fly cargo. There's no force known to man that could compel me to fly pax.
Note to self: invent cargo that complains verbally
fun fact: if your pilot flies you into the side of a mountain, there's a good chance you're also going to miss your connection.
Unless you bounce just the right amount and land next to the other plane.
@@kenbrown2808 nah bro, I am built different.
Ain’t nothing stopping me from getting to my next flight.
im gonna have to fact check this. i'll be back.
LOL🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
The darkness of this makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside! 👏👏👏👏😂😂😂😂
I love how this turns into an elaborated rant on consumerism.
I thought it was a rant on stupidity.
I'm an ex-soldier and from my experience of the world, most people just want to have a stable life with enough food and shelter, day in and day out.
"What people want, more than anything else, is that tomorrow is pretty much the same as today" -- Terry Pratchett.
But what if you're a bit insecure and feel the world should revolve around you?
I don’t understand what you being an ex soldier has anything to do about that.
@@StinkyPatakiHis perspective
Yes, MOST people DO - unfortunately now we live in a society in America where the mentally insane and mentally unstable/unhealthy are propped up at the expense of everyone else's rights.
They don't want equal rights, they want special rights for themselves and the rest of us to bow down, and don't you dare question it!
Your statements are absolutely perfect. The airlines might not appreciate your "stay home" "do something else" comments, but I think it is wonderful of you to advise people this way. Good Job.
As a Finn, i find this gender discussion so funny as in my language there aren't any. It's all just hän. Except in informal speech, often just "it". "Where's Ann?"
"It went to the store."
Saves a lot of arguments.
😅
Ah, like the Dutch 'hun' (them). As a child, i used 'hun' as a pronoun because everyone was the same for me. It's only when grammar lessons became a thing in school that i was corrected and had to use individual (gendered) pronouns.
Damn confusing to this American when I was learning German and nouns had genders - masculine, feminine and neuter - which also affected the other words that went with them!! Funny that in German, "Mädchen"/"girl" is neuter in gender!!
@@weerwolfproductions I still correct my mother since she uses 'hun' way too much. She could have been your teacher in kindergarten, would explain it ;)
As an American, I find it ridiculous. Pronouns are how *_others_* perceive a thing, not an extension of your personal ego. 🙄
Much like Japanese. "Hito" means person. You have to go out of your way to specify a sex, eg. "onna no hito" (female person) or "otoko no hito" (male person). Japanese grammar is remarkably ungendered.
As a former frequent flyer, something I discovered years ago, still applied a couple of weeks ago when I last flew somewhere. Smiling, being kind and asking nicely is powerful mojo. Even with gate agents (who all seem meaner than flight attendants to me) People just want to feel respected and even when I don't feel respected I like to think I am mature enough to still show proper respect in return. I've seen this passively embarrass grumpy people and they dialed it down. Tho I've also seen a total a-hole gate agent get totally snotty with a women who was just asking an honest question. I started avoiding that airport and a couple years later that airline no longer existed. Not because of me, but their grumpy gate agents pushed people away from them. I agree with Kelsey, vote with your pocket book.
I concur that friendliness comes free and gets you places, most of the time. If you act unfriendly or condescending, you will get the appropriate response, whichever pronoun you use... That said, I did run into a gate agent on my last flight who was not fazed at all by my friendliness and still acted weird. But I'm a ray of sunshine, so asked her colleague who was a lot nicer. No harm done.
@rswear I agree. I'm almost 63 so maybe it's an age, but it shouldn't be.
Yes, saying please and thank you can go a long way to improving your flight experience. In the end your on a bus ride, board with low expectations and the experience will be much less likely to cause you any anguish. The flight attendants are not your valets or handmaidens, like Kelsey said their main job is life safety and in the end the flight serves everyone on board, not just you, and they have to deal with planes full of entitled Ken's and Karen's all day long.
@@larrybremer4930 I feel FAs do way more than their job description entails already. Luckily, I can still schlepp my own stuff and help others with theirs. Most of the FAs are a lot nicer to be with than some of the other passengers... so... there's that ;-) Luckily, entitlement is not so widespread here in Europe.
Not always feasible
Took three minutes to begin discussing snacks🤣. Now im hungry
similar here. stopped the vid, cooked a meal, watched remaining 2/3 while eating :)
Shouldn’t Kelsey consider a few weeks in Cookie Rehab..?
Less than that! 2 minutes, 19 seconds!
Honestly, I thought snacks would be #2 on the list.
I thought snacks would be next priority after safety. Surprised the FAA made it in there!
NFL player is Terrell Davis. Flight attendant has been fired from United and Davis' no fly ban was lifted.
Do turtles actually eat watermelon?
Kelsey discouraging passenger air travel is a great way to create more airport capacity for cargo 😂.
More space for decent people without ego diseases to travel.
Ego disease😂
I wonder how contagious it is compared to Dunlap disease ?
He's just after the extra snacks lol (jk)
Kelsey proving he hasn't bought an airline ticket in over 20 years... saying someone paid $133 to fly from the east coast to Los Angelos?!? NOT IN THIS MILLENIUM BUDDY!
The appropriateness of this flight attendant is very questionable. This was a total inappropriate action to the customer. The flight attendant needs to be fired. Bugger the passenger who paid for the travel. She deserves to sue the arse off the airline.
Who would ever want to travel to the USA
I am single and never really had a horrible airline experience. There are airlines I prefer over others and will pay a little more to fly them. I have done a fair amount of travel in my 62 years, both in US and abroad. I would travel frequently now if I could afford it. I enjoy seeing new places and learning about new cultures. Traveling to me is both pleasure and educational. It helps me understand other customs and be a more accepting and kind person.
This has been debunked. She thought she would get away with not booking a seat for her child and expected to have a seat when she got on the flight, so she brought a car seat, thinking it would get her an extra seat she didn't pay for. She then made this story up because she's clearly a hatemonger and knew certain people would take her at her word when many witnesses stated she was in the wrong, and it had nothing to do with pronouns. All she had to do was leave her car set and have her kid sit on her lap just like any other person with a kid they didn't book a ticket for.
Thanks for clarifying. My b.s. detector was going off.
She has problems buying an additional seat, seeing her watch, her clothes, her visits to a surg… well, maybe good genetics …
The mother was already past the gate on the jet bridge with her child and car seat before being called back because she had said to the gate agent “Thank you sir” without realising the sir thought “it’s ma’am”. The sir got upset telling the DEI trained supervisor to get the mother and toddler back to the gate. The stuff about carry on was made up by United after the fact to save face. The mother retained a lawyer to sue for defamation, which apparently has now been resolved out of court.
@@av_oid I have used wrong pronouns numorous times and never had a problem like this. I have a feeling there is more to this story than you a telling us. I have met and worked with so many trans people over the years. No one is this petty
@@av_oid more bullshit
What did we learn?
1. Board the plane
2. Sit down
3. Be quiet
4. Don’t cause a disruption on the plane, because, more than likely, even if you are right and the flight attendant wrong, you are the one that will be sent off of that flight.
Lesson learned.
Thank you @74 Gear
And, put on your seatbelt !
Sounds like a good plan.
dont show Kelsey the good snacks.
While deadheading on a US airline I witnessed how a born and raised in the US passenger was offloaded because:
1) He brought an alcohol minibottle from the biz lounge
2) He was leaning his feet against the bulkhead in front of him, he was wearing no shoes, just socks
I could feel how the capital B (I would normally call her a fellow crewmember but not this one) was after the guy for some unknown reason. The passenger was travelling with his girlfriend, neither of them was in any way unruly, just the opposite, they were polite even after being told they were going to be offloaded . I felt sorry for them, the guy could not believe what was happenning. He knew the game, he remained polite, just said something in the line of "come on!" and they were both escorted by agents. Shame on that capital B, I would not have liked her to be on any of my flights if that was SOP for her.
If it was only that easy, often it's not.
The great philosopher CPT Kelsey delivers yet again 😂 Sound advice about traveling with your kids, as a parent of 4 we've done our fair share of flying when my older two were babies being stationed overseas and it gets miserable and stressfully, by the time we got there i was ready tonjust leave and go back home and take a few extra days to unwind & relax from the traveling nightmare 😂 Our kids remember the time spent with us not these grandiose places we went, but they did have fun. From a retired Army veteran, I love your channel brother
I worked with the military in Munich and couldn't help but admire the military spouses who had to travel with children--sometimes very young ones on long flights. I'm sure Kelsey knows that flying with children is necessity for some. I traveled a lot when young and lived in three different European countries, then traveled 3 or 4 times a year until I retired. I grew so tired of flying after a while!
Too funny!
Decades ago, I was sharing with my family about my travels and my grandfather spoke up to say "we have rocks here, too."
So do we in Michigan lol have a wonderful day
@@kathypichey4306 Especially on Mackinac Island and in the UP.
He was being ironic. Flying isn't just about seeing landscapes or buildings you definitely do not have at home or nearby. It's a enriching experience, a priceless one. When he said: "If you're 18 or 20 y/o", well, how many 18 or 20 y/o's you think watch this channel? He knows how valuable it is to travel and said so many times, for example, when he mentioned the anecdote about going over the Andes looking down and saying: "Wow, can't believe I even get paid to do this".
A sincere "Hi there!" with a smile has led to many enjoyable flights for me. I highly recommend it.
Yes! Makes all the difference!
You are so right! Start with greeting the FAs standing at the door when you board and being pleasant to your seatmates and the FA in your section. Works brilliantly!!
Saying “hi” to customer service is very rude in many cultures. Say “Good morning / evening / afternoon” to be on the safe side.
@@realGBx64 how in the hell is saying hello in any culture rude... what in the world are you talking about?
@@cr4ckrocksteady hello is very informal, that is how. I know many English speakers have trouble with concepts of “politeness”, but in many cultures, you might say “hello” to your buddy buds, but not to customers or people you are in formal relationships with.
Saying “hi” in that context can be sign of disrespect because it kind of asserts that “I am so high and mighty I can use informal language with you even when we don’t know each other because you mean nothing to me”.
So yeah, Americans unaware of this are considered rude and disrespectful at large in many other cultures.
I love this you tube channel. I love this pilot / Captain speaking in this video such a humble man with a good heart always focused on every person's safety and always staying calm in chaos. Much Respect 💕🙏
Captain Kelsey's Snacktastic Voyage
Sounds better than anything Hollyweird is pumping out.
10/10 would pay to fly this flight…to anywhere!
Perfect name in case Kelsey wanted to start a mukbang channel.
You think ticket prices have dropped over the years? Did you add the surcharges for checked baggage, gate checks, carry-ons, water, for being seated together? The surcharge to sit in a reserved seat, in the the exit rows? An extra $25 to speak to a live ticket agent, because websites can't handle broken segments? Or the insane price to fly standby, when the airline would LOSE money if they let those seats fly empty?
Last time I flew, my "ticket" price nearly doubled while I was booking it. Twenty years ago, that didn't happen.
👈👍 Thanks for mentioning that.
What is “broken segments”?
Not what he said. Ticket prices have been in decline for decades.
And $150 each way on Delta to stick your dog under the seat, not taking any additional room.
Just like hotel fees.
You are sounding like an old man, but I love your videos. Keep rockin' pop!
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As someone who's spent a lot of time on planes, you've offered some great advice Kelsey.
I've never seen anyone flip out over wrong pronouns anywhere else but the internet -in my experience my trans coworkers don't even seem to care when it happens and are more embarrassed when people actually apologize for it when they realize their mistake.
Its straight people who go ballistic hun.
yup. as a nonbinary person who uses they/them, i honestly cringed at the long apologetic speeches id get from my manager when she realized she misgendered me. ive lived my whole life abused (edit: i cant elaborate too deeply but its domestic religious abuse) for just being me, so in these situations i badly want to say “i can suck up being called the wrong pronoun if you let me actually forget about it”
@@TrippyTooni First, go finish 8th grade so you can construct a correct sentence. Second, you should understand as a Alphabet person that you are not special. You were not "just being me", you were trying to present yourself as someone or something completely different. Get over your pronoun addiction and seek therapy.
Yeah exactly, it is more likely that she saw the pronoun tag and went on a tirade that got her kicked off the flight.
@@eerolz8758yep, there’s no way this lady is being honest.
Also: does anyone remember when women changed from
Miss and Mrs to Ms? People had cows about that too and now it’s fine. The bigots will eventually just get used to this it’s not a big deal. 🤷🏻♀️.
In all these videos I've watched of people getting booted from their flight, 99.9% of people are always claiming to be the victim, when in fact, they are the problem and aggressor.
This is not "Misgendering Bullshit get real
boot lickers like you are the real problem
@@jimmunro4649 - I never said it was. I'm not buying the "misgendering" BS. She did something else to get booted. She' playing the victim.
A quick Google search of articles relating to this indicates that it does appear likely that the woman was kicked off the flight due to a "mis-gendering" incident, though the matter will apparently be litigated and we may get to know the full truth then (or the truth gets buried in a settlement....).
"99.9%" - REALLY? !!!
What pronouns do you use?
That was such good commentary! You have a good presentation with thorough explanation. I subscribed for more content like this.
Mostly just making excuses like I can kick passenger or delay flight for hours, completely skipping, oh like, telling flight attendant to shut up, do her job and then start the flight.
Thia was by far some of the best flying advice I've ever heard, as well as just some plain good common since. Kelsey, you keep getting better and better. If you pilot an airplane as well as you make videos, I'll be safe flying with you! (And I hate to fly!)
In other news… Kelsey’s Travel Agency has filed for bankruptcy as potential customers are counseled “there’s no place like home.”
LOL yes. The only people using Kelsey's Travel Agency are flight crews and young adults travelling with Mom and Dad's money.
Awe…pumpkin. You offended?
Yup, good thing Kelsey does not have a travel agency.
Shocking that Kelsey going around the world near every international airport that can accommodate a 747 with 30 knot tail wind and they're all the same 😅
Not funny to us people in Kansas. We click our heels and say that, and go nowhere.
"I get some special treatment." Yeah, Kelsey...we know, you get the premium snacks.
I wonder though if the special treatment really is as much of a deal. Sure, the other cockpit crew will talk to you, which they really try to avoid towards passengers, but apart from that - you are probably expected to be even more polite and nice and understanding. Gotta find some uniform to check that out...
I was a police officer for 38 years. I have had to deal with these types of...issues more than you may believe. You have common sense. Unfortunatly we all know of those who do not posess this trait. That is when you are called in as a Captain to have to deal with a situation on your aircraft or I as a police officer would have to deal with it on a call for service. It seems that people are just not undestanding anymore. And I totaly agree with you regarding spending thousands of dollars to travel. (Although I have to admit my trip to Alaska was really cool!) Thank you for the great, informative videos displaying common sense.
I bet you have seen the worst cases of people with no common sense more then anyone lol
It’s all about pandering to the unrealistic expeditions of idiots with access to social media. Personally, I don’t care what you want to be called, if you wish to dress as the opposite gender. Does it affect or harm me; no. In fact, those I’ve knows who identified as Trans simply dressed accordingly, and 90% of people would call them He or She based on their attire - you know; as humanity has done for the last 20,000 years. What does tic me off is that you know these protestors don’t really care - they just love the attention
I saw a guy who changed to girl at the carglass place. It was obvious and we called her mam in german.
We Tried to be normal and in the end "she" thanked us for treating her so well and she never had that experience. She shed some tears.
Poor person needs a psychologist.
The way I explain it to people is that a lot of calls for service are because someone has to show up to be the adult in the room.
Geez... The end of this video! What a rant! Didn't see that coming lol. What is wrong with families wanting to travel? We travel with our four kids. My husband is a pilot and he loves sharing his favorite destinations with us. I'm so glad he doesn't just want to come home and binge netflix like Kelsey lol. Yes, it can be stressful but we make amazing memories that our kids love to bring up and talk about. And no, we don't put it on a credit card but I realize having flight benefits makes travel much more affordable for us. If families can afford it, go travel and explore! Nothing wrong with that.
Also, why did Kelsey assume the mom with babies trying to gate check her stroller, etc. was going on a vacation? People have lots of different reasons for boarding an airplane. She could have been going to a funeral, wedding, or maybe seeing family she hasn't seen in years. She's not necessarily headed somewhere to sight see. Just another thought.
Anyways, I'm interested in aviation because of my husband's career and have been watching Kelsey for a long time, but definitely disappointed with this rant.
I so agree with Kelsey’s philosophy. At 65 I’ve flown a small handful of places, but I’ve taken a lot more local trips, driving places to go camping, to go to Lake Michigan, to visit Toronto, etc. I’ve loved these trips close to home and now I’m retired and I might actually have the money saved up to fly places…but I’m not sure I’m going to do that. I detest flying and I’d rather go to places I can drive to in 4 or 5 hours.
Some good advice from Kelsey on spending money you don't have for things you don't need.
...to impress people you don't like.
The last 5 minutes was incredible advise. Thanks bud.
Apart from the consumer power advice, the best advice was about going to live in another country for six months. You don't learn anything real about a country in a week or two, ticking the tourist and insta boxes. Live there, participate, learn, make real friends, volunteer (not with high profile projects), help someone fix something or make something better, learn about real life and challenges, understand - live, don't be tourist voyeur. I had the privilege of doing that for 4.5 months this year and I hope to do it for 6 months next year. There are often working holiday opportunities for younger people where you can go for a year or two - I wish I had known about these when I was younger.
you have singlehandedly floored all the insta, tik tok, yt travel bloggers, agencies, influencers etc by saying: I've been to all those places, it's all the same.
such opinion suits a tired 70 year old:) I couldn't stop smiling thou:)
That would be such a good idea for another video series. 747 pilot vs tourist traps!
Cattle? (19:03) Love it! My Mom, now deceased, was a Stewardess, (remember when Flight Attendants were called this?) back in the 1950s with Capital Airlines, (I believe bought out by United.) She had the Baltimore / DC route and would tell me stories from those days. She told me a story about when the passengers were coming from the gate heading to the aircraft. She said that on almost every flight, one of the Stewardesses would say, "Well, get ready. Here comes the cattle." Thanks for the memory Kelsey!
Side note... The last time I flew, after I was seated, a Flight Attendant asked me how I was doing. I looked at her and replied, with a smile, "Mooooo!" She immediately started laughing and we became friends on that flight!
SUPER!!!! A second "Line of The Day" :) LOL!!! LOL!!!
lol I always say I hate flying in steerage!
Cattle from the 50's would be Royalty compared to the average person flying Economy these days. I can't imagine the word your Mum would use if she was working these days haha.
Remember way back when males first started becoming FAs? Called 'em "male stewardesses".
Before _that_, they _were_ males and they were stewards.
Baltimore / DC route? What would that be, maybe twenty minutes? It would be quicker and easier to take an Uber.
Kelsey you nailed this one, the advice part of this video, impeccable 😅. I am well travelled also due to work, now I am so over it. I like nothing more than being at home, hanging out with loved ones and just ME, chilling 😅. I am in the UK when I see the major air ports over flowing with people stuck, sleeping on the floor, arguing etc, due to weather or other issues that cause delays, I start feeling stressed just seeing the situation. I am always sad for the kids and pets. Thinking ability is not very prevalent today.
So Aaaaaaaah, 74 captain I am with you on this one.
Snacks! Trust you to mention 😂
Thanks for the laughs Kelsey
@74 Gear. 100% correct. I've been a FF since 2005 and I 100% agree with you. Once you've seen some of these far away places are all the same. Yea, Tokyo, Seoul, London, Munich, Amsterdam, Johannesburg, Sydney, etc.
Sure they have their charm and unique things, but once you've seen it that's that.
Do it when you are young, spend some time there, even a few weeks is enough but the more the better.
Educate yourself with other cultures, and experience life, but a beach is a beach, a tourist trap is a tourist trap, and trinket is a trinket.
When I have vacation, I am 100% disconnect and try to avoid flying.
Absolutely brilliant!
I totally agree with everything you said.
Im from the uk, did i load of traveling in my 20’s
Got married, settled down.
Then my wife needed to see the world, so off we went.
We ended up living in Cape Town (where i got my ppl.)
Then moved to Adelaide South Australia.
I absolutely love it here, unfortunately my wife didn’t. She still had the travel ‘bug’.. I didn’t.
She is now back in the uk and has a camper van and travels round the uk and Europe.
After 16 years of living here i took my first trip back to the uk last year.
All that trip did was confirm that i made the right decision to leave.
Home is where the heart is.
Keep the great content coming Kelsey.
What I got from this video: "No matter where you go, there you are"
Gee, what I got was: no matter where you go . . . there better be snacks. 😂
The Brady Bunch movie 😁
Kelsey getting some 'Grumpy old Captain' vibe... 🤣 Love it ...
He's authorized to vent once in a while. LOL I agree with most of what he says.
19:00 i love that he straight up said it
GOTTA be some video out there showing the event. Withholding judgment until independent footage surfaces.
This happened at the end of June. If it hasn't showed up yet, I doubt it will.
This content of this video is not dependent on which side was “right” though
What I took from the rambling video is you’ve flown with hungover flight attendant crew. “Because you went out and did stuff.” You preach the rules but no crew should be flying hungover, pilots or flight attendants.
"Understand the world better" - YES!!! As an American who's lived outside of the country for about half my life, spending time in another culture: learning the history, food, language, etc of a different place is AMAZING!!!
I'm an American now retired in Japan and have been here 21 years. I didn't plan that. I previously lived in Taiwan 3 years and China 1 year. I married a Chinese who changed citizenship to Japanese but sadly doesn't speak English. Totally agree that everyone should try living in another country if they can, and you never know what will happen or how it will change your life.
I agree with Kelsey that you should travel while you're young. That was when I started. Now that I'm old and retired I really don't feel like traveling although I would like to see Europe, but before I would've wanted to go to London but it's so expensive so Ireland or Finland sound better. London would have a lot to see, but if I wanted to travel to a crowded city I can easily do that in Japan.
@@NykkiLaneLane understand the world better, is that really something Kelsey said in this Video? If so that's super ironic because I didn't make it past his transphobic rant.
Amen brother! I travelled overseas while serving in the Navy. Joy is like oxygen. It's available everywhere and no more abundant or special than at home.
That is some Uncle Iroh level of wisdom and I'm stealing it
Kelsey, giving us a total reality check - right down to more snacks for him - and I am loving it. Somewhere, a marketing department manager's head explodes.
Passengers need to understand that they are basically locked, or going to be locked, in a very large tin can. Act accordingly.
LOL! True, you will be imprisoned for a number of hours, therefore, best to abide by their rules!
There's something I don't get here...in a random situation, how do pronouns come into play in a situation like this anyway? If this woman is talking to the flight attendant in question, pronouns would only be applicable if she decides to use the third person. If she's talking to ANOTHER flight attendant about the attendant in question, then for some reason she's talking about someone, meaning there was probably an issue to start with because they're talking ABOUT someone.
I can't, sincerely, think of a legitimate reason that pronouns would come into discussion unless the customer said "sir" or "ma'am" (which are nouns, not pronouns) and then refused to correct herself when told differently.
According to other comments, the mother did use, "sir," which apparently caused the problem.
I cant sincerely think of a legitimate reason a person would pretend to be something they are not and want others to play along with their mental illness. Thats why at my nephews middle school they have litter boxes for Kids who are pretending they are cats, they actively defecate in, and having transvestites drag queens targeting children programs.
When you follow along with things that go against nature and all truth, you lose all self respect.
@@Bad_Wolf_Media when I’m trying to get somebody’s attention, I will say excuse me, sir, or excuse me ma’am
Flight attendants are very leftwing. Union and all, yknow. Misgendering is a big thing.
@@hizgrase Honest question - when the gender identity of someone is either obviously not of their biological sex or in question, would you not just drop the sir or ma'am and just say "excuse me"? It's kinda like saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" to someone who you see is wearing a Yarmulke, it just seems like the cordial thing to do.
I think there’s a bit more to this story. Back when it happened, it was reported it was about a check on bag. Apparently she was blocking the aisle over something to do with a carry-on, and then once the situation was already escalating she started to pointedly refer to a flight attendant as a “Sir”, who was wearing a dress. It went more downhill from there.
She was taken off the plan, and then rescheduled like later that day, or the next day, and the airline assisted with that.
this needs a pin for sure
Well, a dude in a dress is still a “sir”. Sooooo?
Sounds much more plausible. Thank you.
Thanks for an explanation, my immediate thought was.. her version is NOT that simple.
Yeah, that video from the passenger has so much "and then they just hung up on me!" energy.
four stripes?
Did you become a captain?
Congrats
😉
It’s true. He had 5 stripes as super captain, but was demoted for his constant pillaging of snacks.
He has been for many months but hasnt mentioned it.
You are late, but yes. He moved up the ladder.
I think he had had them for a year or more.
You must have been under a rock
Kelsey this is probably one of the best video podcasts about flying everywhere. When I was 15 my parents took me on the 9 country tour in Europe. Now that I am older things close to home appeal to me. There’s nothing new under the sun. I am no longer credit carding myself into debt flying everywhere. However I would not mind seeing Iceland again; in July.
2:09 Fun fact! 100% of passengers who fly into the side of a mountain are late to their destination gate and miss their connecting flight.
15:16 Totally agree! I have lived in 3 continents too (South America, North America and Europe: Perú, Argentina, Uruguay, Long Island NY, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany) and mostly: "you've seen one scenery and you've seen them all".
The most important thing is to surround yourself with the best people and learn things that are worth educating yourself for. 😊
We live in a fucking sad society where tapping the arm of someone is assault.
Don't forget there's more to the world than the US. We here in Europe and much less the folks in Asia have no problem with people touching us.
Your Trump profile pic says it all. It’s almost always folks like yourself that cause the problem.
@@loretta1971 You think this bs is just happening in America? How delightfully naive of you.
No touching. Stop whining.
@@secondchance6603 I mean you guys are the inventers of gay so...
One of your best Kelsey. Certainly provided a lot pf conversation. The Paranoid thrive on paranoia, they find threats everywhere because that is the nature of paranoia.
Terrel Davis is the former NFL player. He is a good man and was totally treated badly. He acted like the gentleman he is!
Thats NICE and all, but Kelsey's declaration we should all be totally spineless about a false accusation really rubs me the wrong way. It seemed to amount to "my airline operations problems outweigh your civil rights every time"
@@Bureaucromancer I think what he meant is that if he refused to leave the plane then the officials make everyone get off the plane and it would also increase the likelihood that he would have faced some type of penalty for causing this to happen. It wasn't about giving up his civil rights, but clearing it up off the plane. Which would really suck if you didn't do anything wrong. Kelsey is just saying it needs to happen off the plane or it will make it worse.
@@juliepender7157 but it DOESNT need to happen off the plane. That’s Kelsey as a pilot saying he doesn’t WANT it there; realistically speaking Davis was contractually entitled to be on the plane, and legally entitled not to be arrested; the idea that the time and place those rights and entitlements are being violated isn’t the place to stand up for them is outright offensive insofar as it means they aren’t actually rights or entitlements but something that some guy with a badge can decide he doesn’t care for.
@@Bureaucromancer The fact is you are on private property and they can refuse service to you. Best to make your argument at another time.
@@jonathanparks207 Without cause they are going to run into significant carriage contract issues if private property is the only leg they have to stand on.
I wonder if there's more to this...I have lost track of how often I'm called "ma'am" or "miss" based on something with the sound of my voice, at this point I don't even care enough to correct them anymore. In person interactions they usually realize after a moment I'm a guy but still happens when starting conversations
Same
My mother was always mistaken for a man on the phone. So strangers calling, especially if selling something, would call her sir, or Mr So and So and felt silly when she said this is Mrs So and So. She wasn’t bothered by it. But my mother doesn’t sound like a man to me.
I am constantly mistaken for a man. You know what, it doesn't matter in the least. It doesn't change or affect me. It is immaterial. I can't believe the BS going on these days. We went from rights for everyone to utter pettiness. The tyranny of political correctness driven to extremes.
@@juliapotter3250 When I was young with the blonde hair down to the bum, I got addressed as female in the disco, and had more than a couple hands on my butt. Taken in good humour, it's all fun. Once you obsess over something and try to be always right, you turn into a Karen either way...
I'm the opposite, I seem to be assumed to be a man if someone isn't seeing me, just from voice or from my writing style. Unless it matters, I don't bother correcting, but I personally don't mind. I have trans friends who do mind, and we all make all effort to call them the thing they've said they're comfortable with. :)
My friend just got deployed to the middle east via an Atlas 747. I sent him your channel in case you happened to be the pilot lol
Pretty sure he does freight not passenger flights.
He does both.
@@jordanbrosch5378 he just said he carries freight AND/OR people.
Jordan, watch more videos. It is very apparent that the passengers Kelsey flies are almost always military (and sometimes professional sports teams). I just watched a video in which he blurred out the faces of soldiers.......
@@jordanbrosch5378He literally has videos of him flying military passengers
Aside from the inane root subject matter, this is one of your best videos . . . straightforward and to the point! Well done. As an aside, I'm thinking if I were to become a pilot - unlikely given that I'm almost 70 and I fly RealFlight Simulator into anything AGL - I'm thinking FedEx, UPS, or DHL. Those passengers don't talk back. :)
Amen to what Kelsey said at the end. Traveling with kids is a giant pain for all involved. We have lakes, rivers, theme parks, etc w/in a 2-3 hour drive of us and the kids have just as much fun doing local vacations as flying off to somewhere exotic and spending a ton of $$.
Some times you have to fly with children.
Moving to a foreign country for example.
i recently flew from AZ to Hawaii first class. Worth every penny.
I landed in Phoenix in 1994 and have been driving in circles around Sky Harbor trying to find the exit to the 143 ever since. Someday I’ll make it out of this airport and see the rest of Arizona.
@Stephen_Black I hear you. It's always changing. We landed at midnight and all I wanted was to get home but getting out of the airport was a challenge.
I have flown first class and coach many times and I have never thought that first class was worth every penny.
@@jonathanparks207 Good for you
@@Stephen_Black I live in Phoenix part-time and often fly while I'm there. The airport itself is nice, but yeah, driving around it is a nightmare, especially with some directional signs placed where you can't see them until the last second, and you find out you're in the wrong lane and have to lap the airport again.
If safety is the prime objective of the FAs, might their being hungover (5:30) be something that also jeopardizes safety? Personally, I‘d like to be sure the FAs and pilots are not hungover
Serving the passengers booze probably doesn't help in some situations, either. "Sleepy" drunk vs. "angry" drunk?
Alcoholism is very high in the Flight Attendant and Pilot community.
FAA has laws on drinking and working. Can’t drink 8 hours prior. It’s a pretty well known fact that cabin crew party on layovers. Nothing new.
Kelsey pulls NO punches. IMHO best video you have ever made. Thank you. Just break it down. Haters will be haters. Karens will be Karens.
When I fly, which is not often, I say "Good morning", "Thank you", "Excuse me" and not much else. My goal is to get to one of my son's houses. I usually sleep my entire flight, try not to bump into anyone or take up more than my fair share of space. I have learned that being polite works better and being an asshole doesn't really work all that well. I am about 99% sure this woman was probably being an asshole about something totally unrelated to her narrative.
Where have you been? Women are getting death threats just for wanting to keep convicted, indexed sex offenders out of girls' bathrooms.
absolutely. Once you get into a dispute/argument with any member of the crew you are destined to lose. Right and wrong is irrelevant at that point.
I do the same. But sometimes there are people who look for problems. It could be a passenger who drank too much. Or it could be a jerk employee who for unknown reasons targets certain people just because they can.
You have my admiration for your maturity and my respect for understanding that air travel is stressful and any attempt to mitigate the stress is laudable! It is nice to see a like minded person.
There no way she got kick off for misgendering someone, I don't buy her story at all. 🤷
The answer is to vote with your dollar, and stop giving business to airlines with policies you disagree with.
Look girl, you have a weird take.If this was reality, then chances are many people would've been misgendering and being kicked off. Girls like you really should consider that maybe not so get hooked on this tiktok rage bait.
Voting doesn't really mean much when there's a scant few candidates and they all suck equally and mostly even in the same ways.
fully agree 👍
@@GeneralSeptem May I suggest you take more time when reading... your response appears to have NOTHING to do with the original comment.
When PEOPLE contacted United for comment on Thursday, June 27, the airline said in a statement that the incident was instead related to the passengers having too many carry-on bags.
“A party of three traveling out of San Francisco today was not allowed to board following a discussion about having too many carry-on items,” the statement read. “The matter was resolved and the customers took a later United flight to finish their trip.”
I’m a flight attendant for a major USA airline and this video made me laugh in so many ways. There is a phenomenon that happens when a passenger boards an aircraft. They seem to lose all common courtesy and manners. Tapping on the shoulder to get my attention is nothing because 99% of the time passengers tap me on the a$$. Big deal? No. But when you have 3 flights with 200+ pax on each flight = 600 pax to manage. That can be a lot of a$$ patting in a day. On the other hand, in my work group some FAs are way too sensitive and touchy about things. I blame it on hiring practices in recent years where the bar is set pretty low. My opinion. I’m about to retire within the next 10 months. I’ll probably never step foot on an airplane again. I actually really enjoy my job a lot. I show up on time, wear what I am supposed to wear, carry my required equipment, do my assigned position and call it a day. I smile and do my best to stay in my own lane. By the time I get home I couldn’t even tell you where I went because it is all the same. Airlines are trying to squeeze every penny by packing in more seats, crewing with minimum crews, short layovers, long days with multiple flights. It takes a toll on the crews and the passengers. 🤷🏻♀️
Lmao, people like you are the problem. You don’t manage anything. The people on the plane are paying for you to do your job, and that makes them your boss. If you want to pretend that you manage them, they will make it hard for you. It’s 100% caused by the attitude of the flight crew. So if you want your job to be easier, then you need to respect the people who are the reason you make a pay check. They pay your salary and are your boss.
@@adamr9215 My “boss” is not the passengers. The problems happen when they think they are in charge. Just like the pilots, we are primarily there for safety. That includes managing drunk passengers and a wide range of other passenger issues.
@@TheLindaEdit Lmao, that’s what you think. Those passengers are paying for service, it’s part of the agreement to buy a ticket. Now you think you don’t have to provide that service? No wonder people don’t like airlines and the horrible people they employ. People like you are the reason. Just like wait staff, you think you are more important than you are. You could be replaced with a monkey and people would enjoy the improvement in service and more polite staff. You are in the service industry, and therefore your job is to serve those who paid for the ability. You are not to boss them around, they are paying and you deal with it. There is no bigger joke than a stew saying they have anything to do with safety. Usually, stews just get in the way and cause more problems, and that’s according to NTSB reports.
Touching someone you don't know is a bold move when your head is at direct fart level.
@@adamr9215 Passengers are not the boss of the FAs or pilot, dude. What are you smoking?
You also aren't the boss of the people that built the plane.
My Dad was a pilot for a major airline. He passed in '05. Every time i fly, i smile at the FA's, pay attention during safety instructions, count how many rows to the exits (in front or in back of me), treat FA's with respect, thank crew, FA's, and cleaners as i exit. I would be horrified if any of these passengers treated my Dad like that. It is simple....respect, manners, and appreciative. It's not hard people!!
LOL. My husband, who was in the US Navy for 22 years, expressed that I should NOT expect him to go on any type of ocean cruise with me. He stated that he had cruised oceans enough! I have never asked him. 😊
Same for me but then for flying.
My wife bought a big camper. 😂
That’s funny. My Dad also was in the Navy for 20 years, but he loved being on ships. My parents took many cruises together.
My oldest son is soon to retire from the Navy too, I wonder what his thoughts of going on a pleasure cruise are.
Funny! I got out of the Navy after 8 yrs, got my Merchant Marine 3rd Engineer's license.
Took my wife and daughter on a trip to the far east. They both enjoyed it!
And tell me what your comment has to do with this video & flying??????
@@michaelmitchell9612 Nothing, but it's entertaining!
i have long stopped flying unless absolutely unavoidable, i rather drive trans continental distances than go through the rigour and humiliation of boarding a plane
Exactly, they've destroyed the whole experience. Now we have all these pronoun people flying makes it even worse
Hear here! I until Boats/Cars stop existing I will never fly again. I absolutely HATE flying for travel.
Humiliation of boarding a plane?!
As a former hauler of passengers and then the last 18 years as a real cargo pilot ........ I share your feelings. Having to reposition on a passenger plane is the worst part of the job...
"trans continental" lol
Kelsey, your comments at the end reminded me about about a complaint that my adult daughter has said. Her complaint is that we took her on some nice vacations and cruises when she was young, but because she was so young, she has no memories of them other than the photos. She said we should have waited until she was old enough to appreciate them herself.
True. I hoped taking my son to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum would make it an early memory. But nah, it's just my memory (and pictures to prove it!)
True. I remember thinking that when I went to Disneyland many years ago. I looked at all these families dragging around their toddlers who were too young to remember any of it later. Why go through the hassle and expense of a place like Disneyland when the kid would be just as happy at the local county fair?
I agree, that's why I lock my kids in the basement until I get back from a trip, they'll understand when they're old enough and have kids, phew, I was already worried that this would be insensitive of me, thanks for agreeing
PS:I leave a video game and some cookies, they will survive
😂😅As college students, my kids learned they were somehow the ONLY people in the world who haven't been to Disneyland/Disney World and asked why we never went there.
Why? Because not once in their entire lives did any of them ever ask or express any interest. Because we took them to so many other places that were *actually* interesting.
They were a little taken aback by that response but after thinking about it for a few minutes they agreed. 😅😅😊
This was a great video. Anyone who has spent considerable time employed in aviation understands this. We fly when absolutely necessary, and skip the non rev fiasco. Great episode Kelsey.
Love it Kelsey thank you! Have a great day, everyone! Best advice ever!
And a Great Day for you as well!
I used to live in Cambodia, and when I needed medical help I had to fly to Bangkok Thailand. Air Asia was my favorite to book online. The flight was four dollars, but if you wanted a seat it was an extra 20 dollars .There were extra airport fees on both ends. Breathing while in flight was 25.00 more. Takeoff cost an additional 30.00 and landing was 50.00 extra. Carrying anything onboard was extra, looking out the window cost more too. Putting my seat back lower was 35.00, and using the tray table was 20.00. Booking online was free but paying with a credit card was 5% more. Talking was extra, as was looking at other passengers. Some people don't like this way to travel, I thought of it as a game. And all in it was less than half of what Thai Airways would have cost.
Whoa, this is insane! Keep it up!
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Great video! Just a thought: For you as a pilot, traveling might seem routine, but for someone stuck in an office all day, even a short trip can be a big adventure. It's all about perspective! What feels ordinary to one person might be exciting for someone else.
One word... PERSPECTIVE.
This might be my favorite episode of yours so far!
I'm my previous life, I was a midwife.
I knew my clients wanted a glorious, peaceful birth, but nothing trumps safety.
People are always complaining about situations and not understanding the complexities and consequences. In some cases, both parties 'lose' (frustrated pilot making safety decision because attendant has 'hurt feelings' and frustrated customer kicked off flight).
In many cases, justice takes time (slow and steady wins the race) and the outcome will be well worth it. And as stated in your video, the wallet speaks!
The airline's side of the story is they were denied over a dispute about them having too many carry on items. People assuming this rant which tagged Musk is accurate... yeah.
We don’t have extra anything in Amarillo 😂
Had to wait 8 hours for a maintenance crew to DRIVE from DFW to come fix our plane once. Apparently that was quicker than just sending another one.
Texas aviation stories is a pretty good idea for a channel.
I'm 56 and have traveled a lot when I was in my teens and 20s. Kelsey is right regarding traveling. You see some cool location and a few others and they all end up being "Another exotic place, but it wasn't worth the chaos".
I started writing this before Kelsey mentioned "Go camping in the mountains" and I was about to write exactly that. Especially if you live in the US, there are a LOT of places you can get to in a car in less time than flying (when you consider leaving to get to the airport, fly, get off the plane, get a rental)... in that time, you can drive hundreds of miles to get to some cool location inside the US.
Camping, backpacking, beaches, skiing... mentioning skiing. If you ski, there's not a lot of difference between skiing in Taos or even around Lake Tahoe as there is in the French Alps. Once you hit the slopes, it's just the side of a mountain covered in snow.
Go see Hawaii (just don't go on the tourist guide package), explore and enjoy, but going there over and over gets pretty boring. My travel buddy and I ended up spending eight of the fourteen days in Hawaii in the video game arcades (this was back in the early 90s). He and I had already seen everything to see in Hawaii. We'd been across Mexico and Europe, then it all blended together, the thrill was gone and so was tens of thousands of dollars.
One does not get fulfilled by traveling around the world over and over. Do it once, or take a cruise ship to the Bahamas and another to Alaska (very relaxing and exotic).
My son is in the Navy. In the last 9 years of being aboard a ship, he's seen every corner of the globe. He's had weeks to explore different ports of call and at first he was like, "Lisbon is SO cool!", Now he's at the point where he couldn't care less about where he's going. "It's just another tourist spot".
That's exactly what it's like when you travel for the sake of travel. It all becomes another mountain or jungle or hot, sweaty, or cold and freezing place to go. Everything you need to see can be found right here in the US and Canada within driving distance if you have a couple weeks vacation.
Sorry for the essay.
Camping was a blast with all my kids. They loved it. We went many places. Even if I could’ve afforded plane tickets for all the kids, I still preferred loading them in the van and driving. We played great music and they were singing the whole way and lots of scenery.
Back in the '80s I went with a tour group to Europe. 18 cities in 15 days, go home and develop your film to find out where you've been. It was fun and lots of good memories, but I don't really recommend traveling that way. The best part of the trip was the fact that we spent 3 days in Paris and I got to spend time with the people that I'd become friends with in the tour group and we just walked around the streets of the city rather than going to the tourist spots.
I prefer to travel to see my friends who are scattered around the world. Places do blend together, it's the people you spend time with in that location that make them memorable,
The only genuine cool experience when traveling to somewhere far away is the possibility to eat authentic food of that country. But you should have some guidance to pick the right restaurants.
There is a difference, however, when your travels enhance your proficiency. Like, as an architect you mighr want to see some details in 3D as compared to a photo; or as a traffic planner, you might want to observe and compare the behaviour of e.g., cyclists in Germany and the Netherlands. But Kelsey and your son are right, the first couple of foreign destinations are somewhat fascinating. After that, you will find the same stores everywhere, a building is a building is a building, the climate doesn't suit you as expected; the locals show odd behaviors that you don't understand; they might speak languages which you don't comprehend.
But, you will see your home country with different eyes -- if you are the type.
Most folk go on holiday off the back of being in a dull/unhappy place of work. The 'holiday' is thus an escape for most folk. The minute it becomes a job, the thrill is gone...as Mr Hawkins, Darnell and King would say. After many years, I'm kinda bored with travel.
Geez.
I have enjoyed all your videos. Thank you for what you do and your insights in flying. This is the best one ever from my perspective. Maybe because you sound like me! Not everyone appreciates what I say, I am used to it. But darn, spelling it out so well is fantastic. Thank you!
Travel and many other things are just ways people assume will lead to happiness. But to chase happiness, is to choose to always be unhappy with the present - the only time where you really exist.
Not true for everyone. There are many happy people who are passionate about travel. Those are the people who have amazing experiences when traveling. Sometimes even transformative ones. Same thing applies to relationships. Finding a person to be with in life doesn’t make you happy. You need to already be happy before finding a partner. But the right partner can certainly enhance that happiness.
Sorry, but how did this become a matter of getting the flight attendant kicked off the plane? That's make believe to make a point that didn't seem to be the case (however the case was). I'm, as you, just going by what's said.
As much as I enjoy your videos, this is taking an excursion into the abstract.
Bottom line is that this may well have been justified, but not because it was a matter of flight attendant or passenger, but because of something that couldn't be reconciled.
Sorry, but it's the first time I got too upset to watch past 8min.
Dearest Kelsey, I fear you are missing a brilliant commercial opportunity here. PAX are the greatest problem in air travel these days, they are disgruntled, they need feeding/watering, require rest-room breaks and fail to follow simple instructions. There is also the overhead of herding staff inflight to monitor them. Clearly the ideal solution will be to load the PAX in cold-storage as cargo, they will be quiet and are easily loaded flat-pack en-mass. Also for them the flight itself will seem to pass almost instantly. Win win.
good idea
Love your comments and channel. Keep up the great work!
Kelsey gives some of the best advice you could ever get in this video.
agreed!!! 100% agree "I would like to associate myself with the comments of Mr. Gear" [unfortunately, not a "colleague" .. that was my dream job: pilot; but okay... I had a great career in mainframe computers]
The people the woman tagged when she posted this sure makes her story and claims she's not political or caring about this issue suspicious.
because its uhhh, a lie
I remember the days when air travel was a fun and exciting experience. You couldn't get me on a commercial flight at gunpoint today.
totally agree. I used to love to fly. Now, I dread it.
Dude I'm not a commenter but thank you so much for your direct reality nice work. Really like your flight analysis videos
According to United, the real reason the woman from the first clip was barred from the flight is because they (the party of 3) had too many carry-on bags. That being said, if a passenger accidently misgenders a flight attendant, I disagree that it would be a safety concern. We are all adults, we need to work around our differences. and we need to be more forgiving when people make mistakes.
I wonder if it wasn’t a pronoun issue but she was arguing with a flight attendant over bags and called a male flight attendant the word for a female dog. That is misgendering and being combative. However, we don’t know what happened. However, I doubt it was just using the wrong pronoun.
I seriously doubt United would tell the truth in a situation like this. They’ve shown they lie before during Covid
TBH this whole thing sounds like there really WERE two sides and a bundle of issues all being argued about at once. I'm a lot more irritated by the other story.
@@Bureaucromancer yes, that’s a lot more irritating as it has a lot of racist undertones. It’s unclear if the FA would have done that if it had been anyone other than a large man or large black man.
@@Bureaucromancer I’d put money on the person changing their pronouns would change the story to fit its narrative
I really enjoyed your channel for a long time, but maybe do some due diligence before you open your yap. Believe it or not, people fly with babies all the time. I wouldn't recommend it, but I've done it myself, don't blame the victim for the crime dumbass. The vast majority of people who fly with toddlers or newborns don't do it for funsies: they do it because they have to.
The "misgendering" thing was more about a person trying to get something that they didn't pay for, so they made up the whole controversy that didn't exist. Go back to your corner and think about what you said. I'm very sad that I have to do this, but I'm very much unsubscribed with prejudice.
Everyone has two things: rights and responsibilities. They want to their rights but forget about responsibilities, which to me, is more important. Also I can't figure all this out.
Rights without responsibility= Anarchy.
"with great rights, come great responsibilities" Ben Parker
If you're talking about the crew member, can you elaborate on what their responsibility was in this situation? And do you think it odd that you admit you can't figure this situation out, but have seemingly already identified the party in the wrong? If I'm mistaken about who you were referring to, I apologize.
Agreed. A free society is only free when people respect the unwritten social contracts within it. You have the right to talk during a movie, but you infringe on other patrons right to clearly listen and enjoy a movie. There have been too many violations of social contracts while flying since the pandemic that infringe on other passengers' peace.
@@hippohopper100 Nope that's Monarchy. Anarchy is more rights+resbonsibility without interference from state-daddy.^^
Guys, he’s right about living elsewhere. When I moved from my small home town to Los Angeles, the culture shock was massive despite being from the same state. It was a whole new biome of different peoples, cultures, food, celebrations, etc. I learned so much, and gained more of a worldview than I ever would have staying home. It was scary, way out of my comfort zone, but I’m glad I experienced that. I’m still in LA after 18 years and I’m still discovering new things. It’s terrifying to leave home. I cried the whole way. Was the fear and anxiety worth it?
YES.
A question for you, Kelsey: from all the places you’ve been, what is your favorite non-US American snack?
This woman's upset that she sucks and the airline kicked her off for a valid reason, then films a TikTok to try and enrage her follower (maybe more than one, but only if she's paying) by using a culture war buzzword.
Her name is Jenna Longoria. She's a wannabe social media influencer. Calls herself _The Period Guru._
24k followers on Instagram.
1.4k on FB.
I wouldn't be surprised if she deliberately caused the whole thing trying to get viral and gain a lot of followers.
However, there is no proof of that. Maybe she is just amazingly selfish and unreasonable. 😅
@@danielch6662 There is absolutely no joke I can riff off of that with that isn't juvenile anatomy and physiology jokes. Wow. The problem with being famous and being an authority on one narrow thing is when you decide like Jordan Petersen or Joe Rogan that knowing about one thing and talking to other people who know stuff means you are relevant in other lanes. Ego takes over, and you get whatever this is. I'm sure that if you're having hormonal issues and want to regulate them through proper nutrition and exercise, she's great. She's a remedial airline passenger though, and a garbage human.
The entire pronoun thing is stupid
yep. the sad thing is it worked... even this comment section is full of it. its really tiring...
I just flew half way around the world. I’m always surprised what a mess the plane is after a long flight. They collect trash often, there’s no excuse for throwing stuff in the floor. None.
Anyone who gets kicked off a flight and makes a calm collected video about the experience, was most likely NOT calm and collected while it happened
Right getting kicked off is crazyyy. I have flown so so many times in my life and I have never experienced ANYONE getting kicked off. I can’t imagine what you have to do to get kicked or denied. I’ve violated bag rules sometimes but i was always nice so no one ever said anything. Cuz i had my purse and a backpack and apparently one personal item means only one of those. Once you get to the gate no one cares as long as you can shove them under the seat. Flying is always pleasant for me, i like making up stories for all the strangers around me and where they’re going. And some times i got to have great conversations with people. It’s so cool i love planes
I don't like Atlanta due to the way you are herded, but I pay extra and get a connection in another city. But that's just me. I recently went on a cruise and chose to cruise from England rather than fly. But flying is sometimes a necessity, and I watch my Ps and Qs and just watch the films and sleep. Flying is a means to an end for me, but I do agree that you shouldn't put it on a card and then pay 24% or whatever interest. I also love hiking, so I get out in the hills. This is the first Kelsey rant I've seen. Perhaps there are more, but I agree that a quick google search could have debunked this lady. I still enjoy the videos, though, Kelsey. Keep them coming.
As an Italian from Rome, I agree with the love for Italy, and I also agree with "please do not all go to Rome" 😆
As an American, I agree that Rome is beautiful. But I absolutely disagree with billions of American dollars being sent to fight that silly European war while Europeans themselves are more concerned with American tourists than they are with Russian invaders.
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People should be respectful, but that goes both ways. You want respect, you have to give respect. After all, respect is EARNED.
If this woman feels done wrong, she needs to file a lawsuit. If she is in the wrong, she needs to move on and stop talking about it.
I honestly feel for flight attendants, they have to deal with a lot of people, and not all of those people are having a good day. I'm usually not having a good day when flying. But i DO try my very best to not annoy the flight attendants or other passengers. Why? Is it because i am a nice guy? Nope, i do this because i want as little trouble when i fly as possible. And being an a-hole on a flight makes it WORSE not better. So be nice, even if you are an a-hole at heart. ^-^
I don't care if I have respect from the flight attendant. I just want them to do their job and not hassle me and I will not bother them unless absolutely necessary. Neither party has to respect the other for that to happen.
100% this is one side to the story. She immediately made sure to document that she was the victim. She was either being totally unreasonable and combative or something else like what was mentioned with the lap child.
My husband and I are retired now and just returned from Scotland - we live in America. The travel portion was so hard because we went 26 hours traveling there and back! We couldn't sleep on the flight from Seattle to Paris, and the LONG lines and waiting in Paris were so hard after being up for HOURS. We had the longest layover waiting to get back to our small town in the middle of nowhere. I am in no hurry to fly again internationally. We can do road trips in our own country thank you very much.