JFK (5/7) Movie CLIP - Coup d'État (1991) HD
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X (Donald Sutherland) offers his insight to the question of 'why' was President Kennedy assassinated, the answer leads to the highest echelons of the United States government.
FILM DESCRIPTION:
The November 22, 1963, assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy shocked the nation and the world. The brisk investigation of that murder conducted under the guidance of Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren distressed many observers, even though subsequent careful investigations have been unable to find much fault with the conclusions his commission drew, the central one of which was that the assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, acted alone. Instead of satisfying the public, one result of the Warren Commission Report was that an unimaginable number of plausible conspiracy theories were bruited about, and these have supported a sizeable publishing mini-industry ever since. In making this movie, director Oliver Stone had his pick of supposed or real investigative flaws to draw from and has constructed what some reviewers felt was one of the most compelling (and controversial) political detective thrillers ever to emerge from American cinema. Long before filming was completed, Stone was fending off heated accusations of artistic and historical irresponsibility, and these only intensified after the film was released. In the story, New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) is convinced that there are some big flaws in the investigation of Oswald (Gary Oldman), and he sets out to recreate the events leading up to the assassination. Along the way, he stumbles across evidence that a great many people had reason to want to see the president killed, and he is convinced that some of them worked in concert to frame Oswald as the killer. Among the suspects are Lyndon Baines Johnson (the next president), the CIA, J. Edgar Hoover, and the Mafia. Over the course of gathering what he believes to be evidence of a conspiracy, Garrison unveils some of the grittier aspects of New Orleans society, focusing on the shady activities of local businessman Clay Shaw (Tommy Lee Jones). Garrison's investigations culminate in his conducting a show trial that he knows he will lose and which he is sure will ruin his career in order to get his evidence into the public record where it can't be buried again. This movie won two of the many Academy Awards for which it was nominated: one for Best Photography (Robert Richardson) and the other for Editing (Joe Hutshing).
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TM & © Warner Bros. (1991)
Cast: Kevin Costner, Donald Sutherland, Dale Dye
Director: Oliver Stone
Producers: A. Kitman Ho, Arnon Milchan, Joseph P. Reidy, Oliver Stone, Clayton Townsend
Screenwriters: Oliver Stone, Zachary Sklar, Jim Garrison, Jim Marrs
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"Like Caesar, he is surrounded by enemies and something's underway. But it has no face, yet everybody in the loop knows."
@The Law -Then how come everything went to hell completely within a few years of his death? So many big lies were told about his death, and Vietnam that you don't recover unless it's exposed!
What criminal acts name it !!!!🤔
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Kennedy was against Vietnam. He said when asked, and I quote, "Vietnam?"👁
"I think it's their war and we ought to let them fight it!"👀
You can see, hear, and read, if you do him saying it. You probably weren't even born when he was alive.🤔Seems like you misquote him from all the yip yap and innuendo you hear. 🤯Yeah he killed MM with his bare hands😱 uh huh. Keep on smokin☄🤬🙃🤯😱
"Just get me elected, I'll give you your war" Most scariest Quote in the whole movie. John Williams score is FLAWLESS in this movie.
It was in its babysteps though. Nowadays there's no going back.
Most scariest ----- inner city public school??
Oliver Stone is making a movie titled: DJT . . . it's a fictional conspiracy thriller even better than this one . . . it's about the IRS/CIA/FBI/DOJ/FISA plotting to take down a duly elected POTUS . . . Oh wait, did I say "fictional" ??? ;-)
@@hardworker5588 difference is no one would care if "DJT" were taken down, and it would mean less war, not more.
Sure. But it is still a movie, not necessarily the real thing.
Donald Sutherland should have gotten an Oscar for this. This is one of my favorite seens from this movie. Thanks.
Was he nominated
christdragon 😂😂😂 what was Oscar worthy??
@@jaykefleury2279 Nah, then that would have only caused more people around the world to go back and look at this scene over and over.
Then that would have led to many more doing research.
The best scene
Yeah...Jesus.
Say what you want about the movie, but Sutherland is incredible in this scene. A ten minute, captivating monologe
Indeed...great actor.
A mysterious name X
That's the intent . @@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401
@@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401It's reported Mr.X was supposed to be real life Fletcher Prouty.
3:36 "No matter how many die, no matter how much it costs, the perpetrators must be on the winning side; and never subject to prosecution for anything by anyone.
That is a Coup d'état."
2022 going 😬
Thats the sad thing about it they think above the law act above the law and carry out absolute evil.
C.I.A. 🤔
🇺🇸 1st 4ever
Oliver North allowed this under Bush, didn't he?
@@edp3202 then Bush Jr & Cheney did it in 2000
President Eisenhower who was the outgoing 34th President gave a pointed reference to guard against the power and scope of the military industrial complex in his outgoing speech in January 1961.
Eisenhower ,was that very same ,power structure's errand boy.
@@ciccioaporta3774
True, Ike was part of that same system but he didn't play ball with the power structure to the degree it wanted him to by ending
the Korean War, not directly intervening to save France in the First Indo-China War, and basically shutting down the British/French
/Israeli plan to seize the Suez Canel. He pissed off a lot of people, but he was a national hero, and pretty much let them buy all the
toys they wanted, even if he didn't let them go outside to play.
Ironically, Ike was taking a subtle jab at the incoming Kennedy Administration which was bringing in Robert McNamara from the Ford Motor
Company to be Secretary of Defense. Prior Secretary's of Defense/War had been career soldiers, lawyers, politicians, or public servants who had come up through the DC bureaucracy. McNamara stepped right out of the corporate boardroom and right into the Pentagon, with a corporate
view of how the DoD needed to be run.
The problem is his outgoing speech was contradictory to the echoes of his actions of the previous eight years. In the death throws of their final term, a president is their most honest, albeit still too far from truthful.
@@spreadingthecure HE LED OVER A LEGACY OF ASHES
@@spreadingthecure Please name any wars that Eisenhower got into into his 8 years. He did not start Korea do don't go there.
Even if you don't believe any of this the editing and score on this is a masterpiece. Oliver Stone was a beast of a filmmaker between the late 80s to early 90s
In fact, JFK as a peacemaker is a Boomer fantasy. So the premise of the film is nonsense. An absolute technical masterpiece nevertheless.
@@ribonucleic Thank you for your opinion.
I know this is true. I played a game called democracy 3. You get to lead any country as the president. I started by reducing the military budget. Increased education budgets, instituted free health care. A lot of state jobs were lost though that were funded by the military. This lead the black panthers group to have multiple unsuccessful attempts on my life. Then... I started messing with the corporations. Taxes, limitations, bring jobs back to America. Unions. Employee rights! Then... in one swift attempt. The bilderberg group was able to take me out with a high powered rifle. Clean! If they want it, they get it! Money makes men do evil things. Even sacrifice the good of the many.
if you don't believe any of this, you're a boot licking sheep, fact.
@@ribonucleic Its not, its a fact. JFK did not wanted to go to war in Vietnam, and due to that the MIC got rid of him. The film ain't nonsense you are nonsense as well as the warren commission.
“Politics is power nothing more”. No truer statement than that
That is a most important point. Everybody thinks in terms of follow the money,but that's not most important. It was most important that JFK no longer have control over foreign policy, especially Vietnam. There was a high cabal that turned the whole Govt. apparatus against JFK and his vision.
@@vernpascal1531 If one follows the money, one would discover who's in power.
@@ivanfreely6366 Not always true. There are other motives ,more alluring then hoarding wealth. But in any case ,follow the money is much much easier said then done. Money is fluid,it flows, changes hands, changes currencies, jumps borders. All at speeds , that are not possible for a private investigator to follow.
Costner’s reaction is incredible. I think all of us want to know what really happened. But if you were to hear something like that, if that’s how it really was…. It would make you sick to your stomach. I know it would for me.
Imagine the utter feeling of helplessness hearing that
Costner is a great actor. Field of Dreams and JFK are probably my favorite movies of his
Many people were involved with the assassination. Perhaps hundreds
@@ohio72213 dances with wolves is amazing too, or tin cup
I liked Highway men,open Range,Dances with wolves,and Hatfields and McCoys, but there is so many more to mention.
They still haven't released the full files on JFK because till this day there could still be people alive that could be connected to the plot..
Not only that but the movie allows the truth to be put out loud for everyone to hear. The government hides the files to this day because they don't want to reveal how much power they have over us. Like it says I'm the movie, always assume the government is doing much worse than what you already know.
They say (historians and the people who studied the assassinaion)..GH Bush was in Dallas the day it happened, working for the CIA...they say he had a big part in it...Bush was Reagans Vice President.
Yup exactly
@@almighty5839thats not the reason, the reason is because the truth embarrasses US standing in the world, if it becomes known one of their leaders was taken out by undemocratic means.. thats why this secret will be protected until eternity
Until 2029
“The organizing principal of any society is for war” Has stuck with me ever since I saw this for the first time.
Donald Sutherland makes this entire scene. one of the great actors of our time. this scene is a masterpiece. then again this film is a classic and a masterpiece and the acting in this film is out of this world.
Christopher Aparicio I agree, maybe the most honest film Hollywood has ever made (other than Passion of The Christ, in my opinion of course) and they try to portray it as fiction.
he really acts Costner right off the screen
I also agree with you. Also John Candy was also very good in this.
Kevin Costner is god-awful in this movie. Everyone else (TLJ, JP, DS, JL, EA, GO, SS) fantastic jobs
@@stevenmiller1416 John Candy, in this movie, played his part to a tee, right down to the panic, fear, and even the smoking and the very sweat on his face! His character knew that if he gave Mr. Garrison the name that he wanted to know, he might not even get out of that restaurant alive! It was as if he knew that he was being watched...and that maybe, just maybe, somebody could be sitting close by with a listening device, record his every word, and that that could be the end for himself...very quickly!
Sutherland is a boss, he steals the show with this scene, he deserved at least a nomination for the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. When I watched this scene for the first time I was transfixed
So was I! You just felt compelled... pulled in, and rapt with attention, so that you could hear and comprehend what he was saying.
Agree 100% - Sutherland gives the best performance in the movie in under 10 minutes of time. He's such a versatile actor: Mash, Ordinary People, A Dry White Season, JFK, The Hunger Games, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Animal House, Klute... one of the very best.
Yes. Even though it's complete fiction, it's a masterful piece of filmmaking.
He always does. He has about 30 minutes of screen time in the hunger games quadrilogy, but you're glued to the screen every single second he's on it.
Jackie Kennedy could not even bring herself to speak Lyndon Johnson's name; she simply referred to him as "The Enemy Within".
That’s bs. There’s a publicly available White House tape of them chatting on the phone like friends after jfks death. She was naive and clueless like most of the Kennedy family
This part always gives me chills. Jesus, to assassinate a leader so you don't lose your position of power
Nothing will change....
The Law thats the typical response from people like you. Just tin foil hats. Dont wanna accept the truth that the government isnt telling us the whole truth
Seriously, what greater reason do those in power need?
It’s bigger than that. This is when the parasite secret society took over... :’(
It's all money
“The organizing principle of any society Mr Garrison, is for war, the authority of the state over the people resides in its war powers”
Favorite line in the whole movie I quote it all the time
It also backs our currency. The only reason the Saudis started trading in dollars in the 70s was because we promised protection as long as they did. Gold is out, oil is just temporary, what ensures the existence of the international market is the promise of incredible violence.
"Kennedy's as dead as that crab meat, the government's alive and breathing. You gonna line up with a dead man Jimbo?"
Joe Biden war with Russia.
The military industrial complex
my fav movie line of all time also
jfk was doomed from the start because he made too much sense
I believe that too and anyone else from the public or from the government who wants to step up and try to change the system and the status quo.
@@APG19912009 Right.
If JFK hadn't been assassinated, America wouldn't have suffered the national tragedy of the Vietnam War. Thousands of lives lost and ruined as a result.
This country has never been the same since.
@@APG19912009 And gotten us out of Viet Nam, Read the book Kennedy in Vietnam
So many great performances in this film, then Sutherland comes in for once scene and just blows everyone away. Brilliant.
Besides the exceptional acting, the music in this scene is just haunting, which is what this scene was: the horror of what happened.
And yet, to this very day, some people still believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted on his own, and killed President Kennedy. I'll refrain from going into details, though. Only God knows what really transpired. We humans can take our very own educated guesses, but God still is the only one that knows what happened.
@@ronaldshank7589 well, God and those that were involved.
Very well expressed, haunting is the word, beautiful music that still saddens me, as I listen to that man exposing all those details which converged into such a tragedy. To watch this movie again is like stepping into a painful time machine, what a great movie !!!
No evidence it actually happened like this
Crackpot bullshit is what it is
He was Ceasar and he is surrounded by enemies.
That sentence summed up JFK.
Re-seeing this again on reading about Donald's death. This is Mum's favourite film and scene. Thank you Mom for letting me know of this wonderful piece of cinema history.
This "wonderful piece of cinema history" is packed with more than 80 demonstrable lies, let's JFK's murderer off the hook and falsely paints a lot of innocent people as murderers and traitors. Sutherland's fictional character is based on notorious crackpot and demonstrable serial liar Fletcher Prouty, the man who proved flying saucers are real.
"War is a racket" - Smedley Butler
behind every great fortune is a great crime...
The music is so haunting when Donald is talking about how Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War in his second term “ but all of that ended on November 22 1963, like Caesar he is surrounded by enemies without a face but he knows that there in the loop” it’s unsettling
Rest in Peace Jim Garrison. You were the closest to the truth!
He was in the movie
As a Supreme Court Justice talking to Bill Murray's brother. (Jack Ruby)
He was lying from the word go
Garrison was a pathological liar
I watched the movie. And i read his book years ago. I recall the book had more damning details which the movie could not include - probably because of editorial judgement or of a lack of time.
Well, actually Mark Lane and Roger Craig technically were. Lol However, to be fair, those two could also be considered pioneers/inspiration for Jim, which they definitely were!
0:21 guess who was a "Helicopter-man"? Lyndon B. Johnson. He held stocks on Bell-Helicopter and when he was president he made sure that it was his friend Lawrence Bell who got the contract to build the helicopters for the upcoming vietnam war. LBJ earned a fortune by that.
Yes! Who got huge defense contracts in Vietnam? Why the owner of the Schoolbook Depository.
@Bigfriendly15 As Truman had said, LBJ was a CROOK! The kind of crook that makes Nixon's crookedness small.
@sugar land what is war? An amalgamation of blood, steel, and oil. Who profits off of that? Rockefeller & Carnegie/JP Morgan. Who pays in blood? The sons of our nation.
I had a teacher in high school who supposedly was friends with a State Senator. He used to quote his friend saying, "if you end your career as a politician & you're NOT a millionaire, you did something very, very wrong."
It was Lady Bird Johnson whos family owned stock in Bell helicopter.
I always studied Johnson's face from that day...one can see it, he knew what was going to go down.
When this movie first came out it sounded like a delusion but now it sounds like a history lesson.
I feel exactly the same way.
There's now over 100 overseas US military bases
750+
I really liked "JFK",this was my favorite scene.
Sprucy **** yes. This scene and the courtroom assassination recreation scene are the best.
He tried to kill the swamp, but the swamp killed him and his brother.
Yup in texas to rub it in...
Yeah. When you try to expose people that are suspected of being guilty of a crime, eventually their true nature reveals what kind of a person that they truly are, in terms of innocence...or guilt.
Proof please.
@@brandonsmith9098 Oh blow it out your pie hole.
Oy Vey
A perfect scene. The music, the backdrop, the small gestures, the wardrobe etc etc. acting perfection
Costner in this sequence reminds me of Richard Dreyfus during the Indianapolis Speech in Jaws: there’s nothing he could do but watch, and be utterly absorbed by a legend’s performance. Even the utmost professional sometimes can’t help but be transfixed when watching another at the top of his game.
It was Robert Shaw speech not Richard Dreyfuss!
@@peterwall583
He was referring to Dreyfus’s reaction to Shaw’s speech.
Brilliant comparison
"but we delivered the bomb"
Do you always ride this hard?
How more Americans and world citizens haven't been angered enough to demand truth and end these tyranous actions is beyond my comprehension.
Conspiracy theories are like chasing a ghost. There’s never enough evidence to prove anything but since proving a negative is impossible people who want to believe them will.
Yes, I think the white house assault was the beginning of revolt in America. More to come. I'm sure. I'm glad too. Been too long
The problem is knowing who are the good guys and who are the bad guys
This film isn’t full of truth though, especially this nonsensical scene.
No evidence at all LBJ had ordered JFK killed
Fear and unbelief. Pretending to be asleep.
This movie wasn’t even supposed to get out. The government tried to petition it. Glad it did.
"In that document.... lay the Vietnam War."
Great wrap-up to everything X has just told him.
Hearing that statement, about that particular document, was a statement that sent shock and horror through every fiber of my body! If the Powers That Be could do that back then...then what lies ahead for us, in the future?!?
Conspiracy theorist or not, telling you this is the biggest injustice of our generation and it will have ripple effects throughout eternity.
Kennedy was the first and only modern American president that couldn’t be bought and sold by big industry. He didn’t twerk for dollars or jump for the highest bidder. He was a statesman elected by the American people to do right by them and that was his main priority.
What kills me is how those in power felt that $10B was not enough money in 1949.
Sutherland's acting is amazing 👏
Agreed, especially since he’s delivering straight information for six minutes. But what information and what acting…
The whole scene with Sutherland is about 13-15 minutes and he is brilliant, from the beginning to the end
Brilliant scene Sutherland should have gotten an Oscar....brilliantly written and acted...the facial expressions, the voices are almost eerie....and the music score...
That musical background by John Williams is so beautiful, marvelous, evocative of the time at which the film occurs but in such a sad way. This film is a time machine for me. I was 5 when JFK died and don't remember a thing, but five years later when MLK and RFK were killed I was well aware about what had happened before, such terrible tragedies !!!
This by far is his most underrated score he did.
Everyone forgets they killed Bobby Kenedy too.
This score is haunting. I no kidding had nightmares when I first watched it, and I was 21.
@@gammadionAgreed, Haunting is a very adecuate word to describe that score.
The grand conspiracy on ALL 4 assinations. BIG $$$ people such as Rockefellers, Hunts, Getty, Krupp and many others. All 4 were major perceived threats to their economies and MUST be eliminated no matter how!😮😮
JFK, Buffy, Kelly's Heroes, Space Cowboys, Brackdraft; he always had an amazing cast that followed him, and even better story lines! Hunger Games he played REAL close to the heart! We have truly lost an amazing Legend! RIP Donald Sutherland!
You know why you are here....
stop repeating yourself
@@LuGer212 No
Kitman Ho did a fantastic job of threading the scenes of time and discovery. Numerous references are visible in the overall environment of this particular scene. Also the drab cloudy colors of the early 60s, sunny mid 60s and afternoon shades of the late 60s.
this movie was quietly shelved. it should be the best movies of are time.
Everyone involved is dead by now, so we'll probably never know. And since almost all documents that were supposed to be released have mysteriously disappered, that probabality is almost a certainty by now.
Exactly that is why they sealed the files until 2032 . To make sure all who involved were dead therefore could not be prosecuted.
Dorthy Kaliden is one of the ones who knew exactly what was going on and who, however she was silenced because of what she knew.
We will know by 2038 75 years after Kennedy was assassinated everyone will surely be dead by that time
@UFO'S ARE REAL!!! By 2032? Everyone will be dead , or so ancient that it doesn't matter since they'll be dead soon or basically mentally gone already.
@@danbasta3677 I think you mean Dorothy Kilgallen?
No evidence of anything suspicious though
As President Eisenhower said as he left office in January 1961, "Beware of the military industrial complex."
Only two directors I think could have pulled a movie of this magnitude off are Oliver Stone and Martin Scorcese. Especially with some of the unorthodox casting, I loved seeing John Candy in a dramatic role.
candy was excellent and perfect . and showed just how well he could act .sadly tho he would never get a chance to show us as he passed away far too early .but if you look at candys character (dean andrews) against video of the real man you will see great similarity .
"The organizing principle of any society is the war." "The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers." 0:48-0:58. Studying the history of many empires and societies, I completely agree with those statements. That is why we have had so many wars and conflicts in history.
2822MJ Drug War War on Terror!
"The organizing principle of any society is for war. The basic authority of the modern state over its people resides in its war powers. Today it's oil, tomorrow, water. It's what we like to call the GOD business: Guns, Oil, and Drugs. But there is a problem. Our way of life, its over. It's unsustainable and in rapid decline. That's why we implement demand destruction. We continue to make money as the world burns. But for this to work the people have to remain ignorant of the problem until it's too late. That's why we have triggers in place: 9/11, 7/7, WMDs. A population in a permanent state of fear does not ask questions. Our desire for war becomes *its* desire for war. A willing sacrifice. You see, fear is justification, fear is control, fear is money. You're a brilliant soldier and I could still use someone like you. " - Gerry Langdon (The Veteran 2011)
And empires fall when they get overextended,like ours (USA)
Study the past....for many ,kennedy was a casting mistake,...
Conspiracy or no conspiracy, this is a great piece of filmmaking from Oliver Stone. 🎬📽️
It’s kinda obvious its not one shooter in the zapruder film.
On the surface of it. But when you have more information on it, that isn't the truth.
Mr X Leroy Fletcher Prouty (January 24, 1917 - June 5, 2001)[1] served as Chief of Special Operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President John F. Kennedy. A former colonel in the United States Air Force, he retired from military service to become a bank executive. He subsequently became a critic of U.S. foreign policy, particularly the covert activities of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), about which he had considerable inside knowledge.
Such an amazing film. I watch it at least once a year.
The smoking and drinking in this looks like a SNL parody
Michael Silve It's meant to be symbolic. The drinking shows how these men are essentially drunk with power. They are talking about how to subvert and undermine the democratically elected President of the United States to begin wars wherever they want. Compared to JFK and RFK, they're much older and most of them are un-elected military officials. They refuse to yield to the popularly elected leader, and will use whatever means they can to hold onto their power and enact their agenda. The smoke represents war, as in the flames of war. Napalm was heavily used in Vietnam to firebomb entire villages and towns. These men are defined by war, power, and ultimately, corruption.
It's stylistic. It's symbolic. The idea isn't that a meeting just like this happened, but that there was a mood of discontent amongst power-hungry that at least had the frightening zeal to want to get rid of Kennedy by even the most evil means. Not everything is meant to be taken literally. It's cinema.
+Christian J Harris No depiction is 100%, but as you alluded, it's the essence of what happened. Other movies took liberties and added things but were still true overall and told a compelling story in the process. Goodfellas. Braveheart
+Christian J Harris No, it's not "stylistic" or "symbolic." People really smoked like that in the 1960s. And since the "idea" is an utter fiction - Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, assassinated JFK - the rest is not so much "cinema" as it is theatrical farce.
Jason Sylvester I think you're intentionally contradicting yourself
It's always about money. And war is big business which equals money.
The scene with Donald Sutherland is my favorite part of the film, so much info in this movie, might not be entirely accurate but it does give you a point of view
Kevin Coster looking more and more exhausted as this goes on like he cannot fathom the leviathan being laid bare before him is p much how i felt watching this scene hahaha
My wife and I saw this movie in 1991 in Pennsylvania.
Everybody laughed when Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison cited Arlen Specter and the Magic Bullet Theory.
In Bush vs Gore Specter invoked his Scottish Rite Cathedral vote all part of his Magic Ballot Theory
Greatest example of, "Follow the money."
Sounds like a discussion that was had before Butler PA.
As the Warren Commission demonstrated, LBJ wasn't fond of fact finding missions.
That report that they put out was reportedly filled with errors and lies from start to finish, according to at least one person that was held for questioning. I'm inclined to believe her.
The authority of the state over it's people, resides in it's war power!!
Chilling words
JFK was right about wanting to withdraw from Vietnam. 58.000 American lives would have been saved and America would have been spared the turmoil of the 1960s.
Wrong. JFK was hawkish on Vietnam.
@@tpryce6243 Guess we'll never know....
@@dre3k78 Of course we know. It’s all on the historical record.
@@tpryce6243 On October 2,1963, President Kennedy made the decision to withdraw the first contingent of U.S. military forces from Vietnam, the initial step toward a major disengagement. The withdrawal of 1000 troops by the end of 1963 and ALL by 1965.
@@dre3k78 That was never carried out. Troop deployment increased from about 1,000 to 17,000 during Kennedy’s administration.
The fact of the matter was that Korea and Vietnam were planned by U.S. intelligence immediately after WW2 ended. All the Japanese military hardware that the U.S. confiscated from Japan after it's surrender was never sent back to the U.S. Half of the lot of Japanese arsenal went to Korea, and the rest went to Vietnam. Vietnam was an intelligence operation for 20 years beginning in 1945, then it became a military operation in 1965. The following monday after Kennedy was killed in Dallas, the Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted new Vietnam War death projection figures to the Pentagon's man-power analyst whose job was to figure accurately the military death toll projections. This analyst had already been submitted figures from the spring of 1963 from Kennedy that reflected a U.S. troop withdrawl out of Vietnam by the end of 1964. Current projections were based from figures that were submitted five years earlier. When the new figures were presented by the Joint Chiefs, the manpower analyst had proclaimed that those figures couldn't be right. They told her that they were correct and that you'll use them. The new figures reflected a 10-year war with over 57,000 americans dead.....exactly on target. The Joint Chiefs had already planned in 1963 how long the Vietnam war was going to last and how many would die.
And they sent our sons to the slaughter.
The most daring movie ever. In a good sense. I still cant believe it was allowed to be made.👍👍👍
The movie was made in 1991 and has a lasting legacy that still exist. A movie like this one would not be made today.
@@markjohnson9455 sad but true
It’s more fiction than fact.
@@RB01.10 Yup. Just keep on getting your news from CNN.
General Y would be Edward Lansdale, who was both USAF and CIA. Prouty thought its was Lansdale in the suit walking toward the three "tramps" caught in the railroad yard and temporarily under arrest at Dealey Plaza. Lansdale retired to San Antonio in October 1963. How is THAT for timing! He was promoted to Major General AFTER retirement. Wonder what he did to "deserve" that!
That's been debunked. The "3 tramps" were ID by HSCA in 1978 and the photos analyzed and determined not to be Hunt or Landsdale. The "tramps" were contacted in the 1990's and said they had nothing to do with the events in Dallas. Wikipedia; "Three tramps"
Lansdale was Prouty's former boss and the man who had to throw him out of his Pentagon job for being such a paranoid screwball. Prouty also "thought" flying saucers were real and that Roosevelt was assassinated at behest of Churchill...
Bases in 21 countries…those are rookie numbers..you got to pump those numbers up
That wasn't total; that was only to close.
I've been looking for an excuse to hold a cigar and say "He's got his hands on the chicken switch!" and puff my cigar angrily.
Do that and I will stand up and say angrily "Now you control MacNamara, you control Kennedy!"
@@korpienmahtijullit7508 You got yourself a deal
It really is a mystery wrapped in an enigma inside of a riddle
The fact that these conspirators pulled it off so flawlessly is more shocking than the fact that they did it.
The agencies involved had already used & perfected the removal of uncooperative heads of state, staging coups, and toppling governments around the world, so this was only the next logical step in consolidating their power absolutely. The only difference is that it had to look like a 'lone nut' for our consumption.
This movie is packed with more than 80 demonstrable lies.
"...but it has no face". Chilling scene
A good bet for you is to watch , JFK TO 9/11--EVERYTHING IS A RICH MAN'S TRICK'. I will caution that it may be hard to find the film which is over 3 hours long, but well give it a try. From this film I learned this much. The Harriman, Bush , DuPont, and Rockefeller families became business partners with German tycoons, I.G. Farben and Fritz Thyssen. Through this partnership these most wealthy of American families financed Hitler's rise to power! Anyway give it a try if so wish.
Anyone who puts their faith and trust in professional politicians deserves everything that's coming to them.
Yes. People get the government they deserve.
Geeze, this is the scene that always gets to me! From point 1:23 on the video clip, onward to the end........ but ESPECIALLY at 1:23.... IT IS SIMPLY CHILLING!!
R.I.P Donald Sutherland. ❤
He tried to drain the swamp, but he and his brother drowned pulling the plug on it.
They just let out RFKs assassin.
@@balung Wrong.
He was denied release by Newsom.
@@RB01.10 What!? The "Gav-man" actually did something intelligent for once?!
RIP Donald Sutherland aka Mr.X
Donald Sutherland Manages to steal the whole film , a three hour movie, with one single ten minute clip.
“Generals gathered in their masses! Just like witches at black masses! Evil minds that plot destruction! Sorcerers of Deaths construction!”
Thanks Ozzy....
I’m pretty sure that name tag on the desk at 3:12 is Edward Geary Lansdale. Coincidentally, he was close with Allan Dulles, the man Kennedy fired.
Sutherland's fictional character was based on Fletcher Prouty, a complete screwball who claimed to have recognized Lansdale in photos of Dealey Plaza... but Lansdale was his former boss and the man who'd had to throw Prouty out of the Pentagon for being such a paranoid crackpot.
they didn't include my favorite part with the "in that document..........lay the Vietnam war" part
The Enygma yesssssss
Yes. It’s such a sobering statement.
Imagine having a running mate and vice-president who was in on your assassination. That was the case with Kennedy and LBJ.
Can you provide some solid proof for that stupid comment?
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@sugar land Absolutely correct. have a nice day.
@@FIVEOFEVER Just big lultz
@Mr1charlton My uncle Z was. Is that close enough for you?
My dad was from NE Texas (not the hill country, from where Johnson hailed), but LBJ's accent and inflections in this clip are quite similar.
One week after the attempt on Trump’s life, this clip is that much more poignant.
"Just let me get elected! And then you can have your war!" Indeed, the scariest quote in the entire film!
LOL
Did Johnson even say a thing ?
This seems more like crackpot speculation than anything
@@RB01.10 I always thought that too, but yes indeed, he said it.
@@Jffeeney3rd I looked up more about it and it’s actually quite unclear. Here’s what I found :
Johnson then adds: "Just get me elected and I'll give you your damn war."
Stone writes in Premiere magazine that the last line comes from Karnow's book, which said LBJ actually made the statement to the Joint Chiefs at a 1963 Christmas Eve cocktail party. The filmmaker said "we took the liberty" of transposing the comment to the Oval Office.
But Karnow says he cited the reported remarks as an example of LBJ's assuaging the brass "with promises he may have never intended to keep." On top of that, Gibbons says Johnson didn't even meet with the brass on Christmas Eve, as Karnow has it, or on Nov. 26, as Stone does.
@@RB01.10 oh right, I knew it didn’t take place at that place or time.
One of the most insurmountable flaws of Oliver Stone’s argument in this film is that it’s not actually clear who he’s trying to blame for JFK’s assassination.
More insurmountable flaws:
- movie is packed with more than 80 demonstrable and highly relevant lies
- Stone knowingly painted a lot of innocent people as murderers and traitors
- Stone had the nerve to make the talk show circuit insisting we should all be "applauding" a shyster lawyer whose crackpot "case" against an innocent man's life fell apart within minutes of reaching his hand-picked jury and got him condemned by the ABA...
Had JFK lived LBJ would have been unemployed, yet with his death LBJ becomes president. A dark day indeed for American democracy! LBJ had MOSTY to gain from Kennedy's departure!
All of the perpetrators of the JFK murder will not enjoy their reward for eternity. Big shots for a moment a hot 🔥 seat forever. Live free or Die. Let's go Brandon.
Perhaps a hope and delusion for the evil to pay in the afterlife. We'd like to think that.
Probably the best description of how things get done in Washington
I bet that meeting was EXACTLY like that. Word for word.
Mr. X never even existed. This movie is packed with more than 80 demonstrable lies.
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JUST A BRILLIANT FILM. WELL DONE👍. GREAT ENSEMBLE CAST.
Lady Bird Johnson owned stock in Bell helicopters 🚁 now figure out why Vietnam 🇻🇳 happened.
they were involved in Vietnam long before she invested in bell you fool...States were in Vietnam back when it was still French indochina lol. cmon man do a little bit of research atleast dude
Loved this movie! My favourite scene in the movie as Mr. X.
As prolific as the quote by the LBJ character, " just get me elected, I'll give you your damned war", is Sutherland's quote, "Its as old as the crucifiction". That quote is so wired into political and historical perspective th at one must wonder why one's (JFK's) political advisors could not divine the tea leaves and tell him to duck .........wonder why they didn't
"I always lock my files!
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Wait a minute, what do you mean you're going to write a book?!!!" Got my attention right there.
It is remarkable how close to the Truth Oliver Stone got this. If I had to criticize this film at all, it was only that he spent too much time on Garrison. I am sure Clay Shaw was involved, but the real villainy was even higher. Stone got it right when he asked the crucial question, Who benefited from JFK's death? You can't understand the Conspiracy until you answer that question. No doubt there were pieces of this that involved the Mob, Secret Service, and Dallas Police, but the massive cover-up could not have happened without key players in the Government who had something to gain and something to lose.
Stone packed this movie with more than 80 (!) demonstrable and highly relevant lies, list available on request.
This seems vaguely familiar. Like it almost happened a few weeks ago perhaps.
No wonder the U.S. is in so many wars
Finding these clips in order is a task!!! Wtf?
Johnson should have been charged,accessory after the fact.he was not gonna be,on the 64ticket.pityfull.
Bobby was going to have prosecuted LBJ after JFK dropped him from the ticket. LBJ was desperate to see the Kennedys go.
betcha the c.i.a. &the chief of staff,hated this movie.cause it does'nt look good for them.
Those conspiracy theories preceded this movie by decades. Nothing changed.
RIP Donald Sutherland 🙏