I had to make this same exact decision about a month ago and I went with the Wi-Fi six for that very reason. Having the 5.2 GHz backhaul wirelessly works perfectly for my scenario and I have a total of three routers two of those being nodes I really wanted to go wired, but I just couldn’t pull it off. Great video with lots of detail like always. Thank you.
The 6Ghz band has so many channels that even with a similar amount of devices connected like a 5Ghz band along with the band being used as a backhaul, there is almost no perceived drop in speed because of 7 vs 2 160Mhz wide channels on 6Ghz vs 5Ghz respectively. So in fact, that single 6Ghz band on the Wifi 6E router has more channels than both the 5Ghz channels on the wifi 6 router combined. But yes if you want the absolute best no compromise performance, get either TriBand wifi 6 or QuadBand Wifi 6E/7. You would barely notice a difference from experience because you would still have at least 3-4 or more channels free depending on how many is used for the backhaul. Also while the 6Ghz band has much weaker range, when connecting 2 routers together the connection is a much stronger 4x4 connection which allows for a greater range before performance decreases significantly compared to single devices. For me with a 1 gigabit connection the node of my router while being about 45ft apart still has a fluctuating transmission rate of 1.5-2.4gigabit and I get about 650Mbps from the node and 950Mbps from the main router
If the internet speed is only Upload 35 Mbps or less? Routers are not well made and the better ones are very expensive. WiFi 7 with 320 MHz bandwidth and high gain atennas will be exellent for wireless connections.
What about using the 5GHz band for the backhaul and the 6GHz one for all non IoT devices? Seems like you get the benefit of the longer range between mesh nodes and still keep the faster band for devices. Is the only downside to this that some devices don't support use of 6GHz band?
With my 5 to 10 year old computers and 3 to 4 year old smartphones, I'm starting to feel as if I'm living in the dark ages. Even my EVs are now 6 years old. There's just no way I can keep up with these advancements. How do you do it 🤔?
You don't necessarily have to keep up with everything. I believe you should only upgrade when something doesn't work well and you know a newer technology can really help, in other words, if ain't broken don't touch it! Thanks!
My family still have AC750, AC1200, AC1900, AC2100, AX1800, AX3000 made by different companies for example ASUS, TP Link, Xiaomi, Huwaei, Tenda, Wavelink all AP wired with cat 5e,6 and 7. AC Powerlines port 100 and 1000 Mbps made by. TP Link, D Link and Tenda. Router with QSO is a must to adjust bufferbloat for gamers My notebooks are wired with cat 6, the older one have USB 1000Mbps adapter because the RJ45 socket is damadge. I have replced de AC750 WiFi for WIFI 6 3000 and have the same speed of cable. my company in Portugal is Altice = Otimum Fiber Optic USA. The 2022 Notebook have WiFI5 2x2 MU WIMO, 160MHz bandwidth and have the same speed of wired rj45 cat6. The days of homemade computers since windows 3.1 to XP are over. WiFi 6 (5GHz) is enough for me. I am goig to skip Wifi6E. The W7, 320 MHz bandwidth is going to make a hudge difference. . In 2025, route similar TP-Link pair Deco BE33000 Quad-Band WiFi 7 Mesh System (Deco BE95 might be a good choice for you darkenergy. Behfor is smart with a lot of knowlwdge and maybe a MIT teacher. Good Luck
Hi please help I have Asus RT AXE7800 6E set up but need to add a mesh node will XT8 6600 work well orXT9 but they are both wifi 6 or shall I just get another 6E router because they won’t work well with backhaul ?
If i have a Wi-Fi 7 router backhaul wired into a Wi-Fi 6 node will i still get the benefit of Wi-Fi 7 through my node? or should i set up the Wi-Fi 7 as a node since most of my devices and PC that will benefit are closer to the node than the router? thank you
Quick question if the router is connected to the 6ghz band does it still require the radio from the router for 5ghz on the mesh or does it use its own? Thankyou.
I have the AXE16000, but now I'm wondering what to add as a wired node. I was thinking the AX6000, but am I losing out here by not having another AXE device as a node?? (Thanks)
Hello, I have the asus gt ax11000 and I am not impressed with the speeds at all. I have the 1 gig plan that is the fastest available for a home consumer. Is there another router that has the same internal parts that is less expensive. I am considering returning it.I only manage to get about 580 download and about 40 upload.
Best solution is an ET implementing a MoAC backhaul that connects to the 2.5G LAN port of the parent node and to the 2.5G WAN port of the child or children modes. Yes, the XT is better right now with 2, 4 antenna 5G radios but it is not future proof. Further, the 5G spectrum space is currently over utilized and this problem is exacerbated by high density housing. 4 band mesh system also are just too expensive right now to be worth the added cost, especially given that a MoCA backhaul solution is superior to a wireless backhaul anyhow.
I tried asus WiFi 6e but wasn’t any improvement over 6, I think it’s all just a but marketing con by companies. I’ll try again with WiFi 7 in a few years.
@@Behfor thank you for the clarification.. But to clarify as well.. if there are 2 5.0 or 6.0Ghz in a system.. would the lower speed one affect the higher speed one when used as a backhaul given that they are at the same bandwidth in that scenario?
Each frequency band ( for example 2.4ghz , 5 ghz or 6 ghz), each one has different channels. So as long as 2 x 5ghz bands use different channels they do not interfere with each other and do not have a negative effect on each other, however if their channels overlap each other, then there will be a negative effect. You just need to make sure you are using different channels, some tri- band routers automatically try to use different channels for example in my second last video I reviewed a Asus gt6 which does that. Hope it makes sense.
why do they call it wifi 6 again? a dedicated 5ghz band for backhall = wifi 6? but wifi 6e actually has a usable wifi 6 band for newer devices? this is all a confusing mess for me edit: ok, to anybody who's interested: wifi 5 = ac (5ghz), wifi 6 = ax (5ghz), wifi 6E = ax extended, (which is 5.9ghz to 7.2ghz)
I mean, I'd use the 2.4GHz for backhaul, and configure all of the IOT devices to use the 5GHz band if they are in range, or to use an extender (as a mesh bridge) and a network switch to connect them to ethernet if possible, for either mesh system. I do also believe such a solution would reduce sticky clients. And it would be the best for routers that are far away and/or separated by obstacles that are hard to penetrate, such as concrete walls.
Do all IoT devices support the 5 GHz band? I don't think so! The 2.4GHz for backhaul means a huge bottleneck which is not recommended, unless there is a specific case where 2.4GHz is the only option.
@@Behfor I mean, if if the nodes are really far from each other and/or separated by multiple thick concrete walls, and there aren't many IoT devices (which is the most common scenario I run into when working on other people's networks). Then I think it's probably the best option for that use case.
2.4 Ghz with Wifi N, I believe only provide at best 600 Mbps with 4x4 which is rare configurations. The point is, it is just not enough bandwidth to act as backbone.. 600 Mbps must be shared for downstream and upstream. The only case where 2.4GHz is better for backhaul is when you have to put 2 wireless mesh at the very long distance from each other. Still need to consider that more range means more potential for interference. IoT is not using a lot of bandwidth, so it is perfect at 2.4GHz
Question: if the 5GHz band is used for the backhaul, won't the throughput of the 6GHz band be limited to that of the 5GHz? I understand networking is full of compromises so I'm only asking out of curiosity.
all these new wifi standard are almost useless endless the device connecting the the wifi also has it and that is still not common. wifi 6e is almost useless here in the eu because the walls are made of brick. 5ghz already has such a hard time getting though. 6ghz is just useless for me here. so i agree having wifi 6 mesh system is better then a 6e. but all these new standards are not very stable for me. i have a wifi 6 mesh in my house and we have a 2017 macbook that would just disconnect and reconnect all the time. turns out running the mesh system in the older standards only (ac+n) fixed that problem. now i can’t use my new wifi 6 without buying a new laptop. so in the end they are both useless for me although i wish i could use wifi 6 for my mesh system for better speeds between the wireless access points.
Let's be honest AsusWRT Firmware is the best and user friendly, you can literally do things that you haven't thought, yet. Tried TP-Link, It is great but it is sad that you can't have Mesh system with cable with it, which I really need for my home. The only downside of AsusWRT firmware is it has long reboot time... TP-Link will reboot in less than 30s, Asus is more than a minute. Some settings need confirmation and TP-Link can do it practically instanous while Asus has a lot of loading. But Asus sure has everything
I had to make this same exact decision about a month ago and I went with the Wi-Fi six for that very reason. Having the 5.2 GHz backhaul wirelessly works perfectly for my scenario and I have a total of three routers two of those being nodes I really wanted to go wired, but I just couldn’t pull it off. Great video with lots of detail like always. Thank you.
You're very welcome! Thanks for sharing 🙂
great video - love how you deliver the info and at perfect pace. Look forward to watching more videos👍
This is by far the best video explaining Wifi 6, Wifi 6E, and why quad band mesh router is better. Now I know which Mesh Wifi I should buy. Thank you.
Glad it helped! 🙂
Did not know Mo Salah has a part-time job in IT... BTW, great explanation! keep up the great work Behfor.
The IT job is actually full-time, the football thing though is just a hobby!! Cheers!
@@Behfor That explains why he is low key this season.haha
I really enjoy your friendly presentation style combined with excellent knowledge and graphics - thanks!
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This video cleared everything up for me! Bravo!! Thank you Behfor! 🤩
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Exellent info.Thank You.
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Great explanation. Thank you.
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Great video thank you!!
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The 6Ghz band has so many channels that even with a similar amount of devices connected like a 5Ghz band along with the band being used as a backhaul, there is almost no perceived drop in speed because of 7 vs 2 160Mhz wide channels on 6Ghz vs 5Ghz respectively. So in fact, that single 6Ghz band on the Wifi 6E router has more channels than both the 5Ghz channels on the wifi 6 router combined. But yes if you want the absolute best no compromise performance, get either TriBand wifi 6 or QuadBand Wifi 6E/7. You would barely notice a difference from experience because you would still have at least 3-4 or more channels free depending on how many is used for the backhaul. Also while the 6Ghz band has much weaker range, when connecting 2 routers together the connection is a much stronger 4x4 connection which allows for a greater range before performance decreases significantly compared to single devices. For me with a 1 gigabit connection the node of my router while being about 45ft apart still has a fluctuating transmission rate of 1.5-2.4gigabit and I get about 650Mbps from the node and 950Mbps from the main router
If the internet speed is only Upload 35 Mbps or less?
Routers are not well made and the better ones are very expensive.
WiFi 7 with 320 MHz bandwidth and high gain atennas will be exellent for wireless connections.
I use wired backhaul, which, as you say, makes all the difference.
Perfect! Thanks for sharing 🙏
What about using the 5GHz band for the backhaul and the 6GHz one for all non IoT devices? Seems like you get the benefit of the longer range between mesh nodes and still keep the faster band for devices. Is the only downside to this that some devices don't support use of 6GHz band?
With my 5 to 10 year old computers and 3 to 4 year old smartphones, I'm starting to feel as if I'm living in the dark ages. Even my EVs are now 6 years old. There's just no way I can keep up with these advancements. How do you do it 🤔?
You don't necessarily have to keep up with everything. I believe you should only upgrade when something doesn't work well and you know a newer technology can really help, in other words, if ain't broken don't touch it! Thanks!
My family still have AC750, AC1200, AC1900, AC2100, AX1800, AX3000 made by different companies for example ASUS, TP Link, Xiaomi, Huwaei, Tenda, Wavelink all AP wired with cat 5e,6 and 7.
AC Powerlines port 100 and 1000 Mbps made by. TP Link, D Link and Tenda.
Router with QSO is a must to adjust bufferbloat for gamers
My notebooks are wired with cat 6, the older one have USB 1000Mbps adapter because the RJ45 socket is damadge. I have replced de AC750 WiFi for WIFI 6 3000 and have the same speed of cable. my company in Portugal is Altice = Otimum Fiber Optic USA.
The 2022 Notebook have WiFI5 2x2 MU WIMO, 160MHz bandwidth and have the same speed of wired rj45 cat6.
The days of homemade computers since windows 3.1 to XP are over.
WiFi 6 (5GHz) is enough for me. I am goig to skip Wifi6E.
The W7, 320 MHz bandwidth is going to make a hudge difference.
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In 2025, route similar TP-Link pair Deco BE33000 Quad-Band WiFi 7 Mesh System (Deco BE95 might be a good choice for you darkenergy.
Behfor is smart with a lot of knowlwdge and maybe a MIT teacher.
Good Luck
In your examples for using 6E as gaming PC??? Wouldn't you run CAT5 cable for your PCs?
Damn Excellent 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Glad you liked it, thanks :-)
What is the mesh system you recommend For best stability Speed
Hi please help I have Asus RT AXE7800 6E set up but need to add a mesh node will XT8 6600 work well orXT9 but they are both wifi 6 or shall I just get another 6E router because they won’t work well with backhaul ?
I change from TP Link to Asus because of you and Asus Firmware is sure superior, updated to Merlin, It is spectacular
Glad you like your Asus router, thanks :-)
If i have a Wi-Fi 7 router backhaul wired into a Wi-Fi 6 node will i still get the benefit of Wi-Fi 7 through my node? or should i set up the Wi-Fi 7 as a node since most of my devices and PC that will benefit are closer to the node than the router? thank you
Quick question if the router is connected to the 6ghz band does it still require the radio from the router for 5ghz on the mesh or does it use its own? Thankyou.
can you max out 6Ghz band with backhaul and dl/up at the same time?
Question- I have 2 ET8 and need one for my basement. Do you think ET8 or XT9?
hi
can you recommend node for ASUS RT-AX86u?
What about dual band mesh networks?
I have the AXE16000, but now I'm wondering what to add as a wired node.
I was thinking the AX6000, but am I losing out here by not having another AXE device as a node?? (Thanks)
If it’s a mesh system just add the one he used for example in the video. Asus has great stuff!
What if you wire the back haul would that be better.
Wired backhaul is almost always better than wireless
I have a question - I already own the ASUS RT-AX86U - If I purchased the ROG Rapture GT-AXE16000 can I use both together as a mesh system ?
Yes
Hello, I have the asus gt ax11000 and I am not impressed with the speeds at all. I have the 1 gig plan that is the fastest available for a home consumer. Is there another router that has the same internal parts that is less expensive. I am considering returning it.I only manage to get about 580 download and about 40 upload.
Are you using wireless what you've described the 540 Mbps? If you so, try to tweak on Asus wireless settings.
Best solution is an ET implementing a MoAC backhaul that connects to the 2.5G LAN port of the parent node and to the 2.5G WAN port of the child or children modes. Yes, the XT is better right now with 2, 4 antenna 5G radios but it is not future proof. Further, the 5G spectrum space is currently over utilized and this problem is exacerbated by high density housing. 4 band mesh system also are just too expensive right now to be worth the added cost, especially given that a MoCA backhaul solution is superior to a wireless backhaul anyhow.
I tried asus WiFi 6e but wasn’t any improvement over 6, I think it’s all just a but marketing con by companies. I’ll try again with WiFi 7 in a few years.
Wont the speed capacity of the backhaul 5.oGhz linit the speed of 6.0Ghz?
no they are 2 different bands which do not interfere with each other.
@@Behfor thank you for the clarification..
But to clarify as well.. if there are 2 5.0 or 6.0Ghz in a system.. would the lower speed one affect the higher speed one when used as a backhaul given that they are at the same bandwidth in that scenario?
Each frequency band ( for example 2.4ghz , 5 ghz or 6 ghz), each one has different channels. So as long as 2 x 5ghz bands use different channels they do not interfere with each other and do not have a negative effect on each other, however if their channels overlap each other, then there will be a negative effect. You just need to make sure you are using different channels, some tri- band routers automatically try to use different channels for example in my second last video I reviewed a Asus gt6 which does that. Hope it makes sense.
@@Behfor so a 5.0 Ghz with 1Gbps speed can be used as backhaul instead of 5.0Ghz with 4Gbps speed?
deco xe75 pro
why do they call it wifi 6 again? a dedicated 5ghz band for backhall = wifi 6? but wifi 6e actually has a usable wifi 6 band for newer devices? this is all a confusing mess for me
edit: ok, to anybody who's interested: wifi 5 = ac (5ghz), wifi 6 = ax (5ghz), wifi 6E = ax extended, (which is 5.9ghz to 7.2ghz)
I mean, I'd use the 2.4GHz for backhaul, and configure all of the IOT devices to use the 5GHz band if they are in range, or to use an extender (as a mesh bridge) and a network switch to connect them to ethernet if possible, for either mesh system. I do also believe such a solution would reduce sticky clients. And it would be the best for routers that are far away and/or separated by obstacles that are hard to penetrate, such as concrete walls.
Do all IoT devices support the 5 GHz band? I don't think so! The 2.4GHz for backhaul means a huge bottleneck which is not recommended, unless there is a specific case where 2.4GHz is the only option.
That sounds like a very ineffective way of doing it
@@Behfor I mean, if if the nodes are really far from each other and/or separated by multiple thick concrete walls, and there aren't many IoT devices (which is the most common scenario I run into when working on other people's networks). Then I think it's probably the best option for that use case.
2.4 Ghz with Wifi N, I believe only provide at best 600 Mbps with 4x4 which is rare configurations.
The point is, it is just not enough bandwidth to act as backbone.. 600 Mbps must be shared for downstream and upstream.
The only case where 2.4GHz is better for backhaul is when you have to put 2 wireless mesh at the very long distance from each other. Still need to consider that more range means more potential for interference.
IoT is not using a lot of bandwidth, so it is perfect at 2.4GHz
@@Dominus_Potatus You realize that the 802.11ax standard applies to 2.4GHz as well, and with a 4T4R can get get close to 1200Mbps right?
Question: if the 5GHz band is used for the backhaul, won't the throughput of the 6GHz band be limited to that of the 5GHz?
I understand networking is full of compromises so I'm only asking out of curiosity.
MESH Compare/Contrast . . . . . OH Yes Please !
all these new wifi standard are almost useless endless the device connecting the the wifi also has it and that is still not common. wifi 6e is almost useless here in the eu because the walls are made of brick. 5ghz already has such a hard time getting though. 6ghz is just useless for me here. so i agree having wifi 6 mesh system is better then a 6e. but all these new standards are not very stable for me. i have a wifi 6 mesh in my house and we have a 2017 macbook that would just disconnect and reconnect all the time. turns out running the mesh system in the older standards only (ac+n) fixed that problem. now i can’t use my new wifi 6 without buying a new laptop. so in the end they are both useless for me although i wish i could use wifi 6 for my mesh system for better speeds between the wireless access points.
FIRST!
I only buy ASUS products and would love to see a quad banned from them.
You’re an ASUS fanboy. 😂 I’m joking.
Are you Persian? I love Persian food! Rack of Lamb. Yum!
I'm more like a good product fanboy, don't really care what the brand is. Yes I was born in Iran :-)
Let's be honest AsusWRT Firmware is the best and user friendly, you can literally do things that you haven't thought, yet.
Tried TP-Link, It is great but it is sad that you can't have Mesh system with cable with it, which I really need for my home.
The only downside of AsusWRT firmware is it has long reboot time... TP-Link will reboot in less than 30s, Asus is more than a minute.
Some settings need confirmation and TP-Link can do it practically instanous while Asus has a lot of loading.
But Asus sure has everything