I had a lot of old pipes and rebar to cut up and from what I read ruclips.net/user/postUgkxPDBfLu68o58Aw85O_J-zIFfjJARBhp-3 this would be the tool for the job. Since I had never used one, I watched a couple of youtube videos and I'm so glad I did. Some really good safety tips, which I followed, and this tool did a splendid job. One good thing to know is the weight of the tool puts just about the right amount of pressure on the metal I was cutting, so I didn't have to use a lot of pressure, which is more likely to jam the tool. It made fast work of my job.
Well done guys! You are an impressive pair in your coverage of tools and comparison. I cannot fathom the amount of effort and beg, stealing, borrowing that goes into these head 2 heads for tools, batteries & consumables!! Not to miss the filming time with stops and starts and setups as well as post editing. Chapeau to you both. Thank you on behalf of the whole of youtube! Keep going, these videos will stand the test of time and come up in tons of searches around the planet. Thanks again, thumbs up.
Thanks Ryan. We think we make an alright duo :) Fortunately we've been doing this long enough now that getting the tools / consumables isn't too bad. It was very hard when we started! All manufacturers provided these. We can even make a few bucks by having a sponsor like we did with Klingspor here. Appreciate the support. [Dwain]
Emmanuel Williams The makita guards are horrid, but until I can swing the fein/festool, I’ll live with it. The metabo had a great guard but it quickly died with minimal use and the warranty requires that I pay ahead and get a refund and....chinese made metabo ain’t worth it.
As a metal fab guy, iv been waiting forever for a comparison like this. Im glad to see bosch up there in the top 3 as Iv bought into their 18v platform. I am very much a bosch fan, but I will always have a Makita corded grinder as backup. Makita have always exceled with their grinders. Thank you again guys. Also, klingspor are also awesome.
Привет парни!Мое мнение о Вашем канале и Ваших тестах инструмента,Вы самые лучшие и у Вас самые справедливые и честные тесты,благодарю Вас за это,продолжайте и да макита рулит,как всегда!!!Здоровья Вам и развития Вашему каналу!!!
*How the comments look:* "So-and-so is the best." *How the comments would look if they were honest:* "So-and-so is the battery ecosystem I've bought into, and all I have experience with."
that is the biggest thing. If you go for milfuckee and you own 4 batterys for that because you got the cordless dril and impact driver then you just buy the grinder from them. If you got the dewalt machines allready you tend to go with them. And it makes sense. If you look at a cordless dril, even the top of the line hitachi dewalt and milwaukee are only like 150-175 for the machine, and then another 200-250 for the batterys and the charger. So if you allready own that then the machine is not that expensive. And then there are people that defend the brand they bought because they dont want to hear the brand is not that good(at making a grinder in this case) because they tought they had a good deal, and now it turns out there where maybe better ones.
@@gabbermaikel well I'm a bosch man but bought the makita because it's the best tool. I've also got willfucki, but threw it out. I've just bought the best of the time regardless like music men don't buy a hi system they buy the best bits from all maufacturers, bit like big bits of workshop machinery.
Michael Bamber are you talking about cordless? Because with corded tools that i more how people do it. All corded tools can be used on the same wall outlet, no special branded wall outlets needed. But for a cordless tool the biggest investment is actually the battery system. If you buy a new cordless system with 3 batterys and 2 tools you are looking at about 500€ so probably 600$ for the 18-20v tools. But only the bodys(so the machines without batter and charger) could be bought for about 250, maybe 300€ that means about 50% of the price is for the batterys and the charger. So if you allready own 3-5 batterys from in you case bosch you are in on that for more then 300-400€ and you could then go for a cordless grinder for just 150-200probably. If you would buy the grinder from dewalt or makita that would again set you back nearly 500 because you need the charger and the batterys. And now that grinder dies because the hot supper you gave it was to much and you got 300$ worth of batterys sitting there doing nothing. Where as if you bought everything from 1 brand then its no big deal because those batterys wil be used on your other tools so not really any wasted money there.
Not necessarily so. I have the DeWalt corded grinder and am looking to get a battery powered one. I'm not going on brand but which one does the best job. Makita and DeWalt tied. But the DeWalt cuts faster and I already have batteries for it so to me that wins.
@@averagebloke4474 it's just another way of generating more power dewalt and Milwaukee use one massive battery while Makita uses 2 small ones. The x2 system is only for high demand tools
Good stuff fellas. I have gone through Hitachi tools, Milwaukee tools and now I'm on Makita. I went with Makita purely for the ergonomics and the battery runtime. The Makita representative also gave me the heads up that you can remove the four screws from the head of the grinder to rotate the body.
Makita is really good. I too choose it mostly for ergonomics and familiar battery. Makita was one of the first big brands to use Li-ion batteries if not the first. Ergonomics of wall chaser is better on Dewalt though. Makita just lately started to feel bit outdated, but tools are still very usable.
Another comprehensive test. I bought into the DeWalt platform and the Victa battery chainsaw on your recommendation and have not ever regretted it. Thanks guys.
Great review. Honestly I think it ultimately comes down to whatever battery system you have, & whatever offers you can find. For me, I found the Bosch Blue tools by far the best value when bought as body only units in my country, especially considering their free tool/battery promotions etc - the grinder on amazon was 30%+ less price than equivalent Dewalt/Makita, which makes it a no brainer.
i use the milwaukee and the dewalt (those exact models) at work and they are both just superb, but there is like you say a powerthing going on with the milwaukee. part of my work is both maintaince and fabrication on board ships, and the milwaukee is a tool you always tend to grab with you because you know it will do the job, and now you can get a 12ah battery for it. i ended up byuing my self a milwaukee to use at home. it literally eats up batterys, but its a wonderfull tool
That Milwaukee might work great when it's not broke but I got a broke one that's not done much grinding. Got an AEG on sale at about 20% of the cost of the Milwaukee and very happy with it.
I've got the makita an it's a ripper, well nice tool. My mate has a Milwaukee and picked mine up an he thought my makita was a nicer tool to use. An he works day in day out as fabricator welding an grinding up to 12hrs a day. I used to but now just a side line but still make fair use of me gear.
@ yeah, half hour continues use isn't bad. How long does anyone else's 5amp last in a grinder? Its pretty impressive to be honest, you could not supply 600w for half an hour.
Thanks for taking your time to compare this for us i really liked your comparision thumbs up 👍 I am thinking to buy dewalt dcg405p2 which is a kit with 5ah batteries would u say my decision is best or should i rather check with other models??
I recommend the Flat Nose version of the DW 405…a thinner protruding snout that gets the disc into tighter spaces, otherwise the same spec, but slightly more expensive.
All my tools are red and teal. But interestingly enough I watched a video by toolboxbuzz and the dewalt won their head to head test as well. Another awesome video guys, thanks 👍🏾
Klingspor actually does have products in canada. I bought a 10 or 20 disc pack (haven't looked in the box in months) last year, meaning they were around when you posted your comment.
Awesome work once again fellas, very surprising result esp on the run time! Thought others would do alot better but so many variables its never going to be perfect
Well done guys, great review as usual. Pretty happy with Bosch result will stick with Bosch for a while. Seems like Bosch jumped big step to cordless tools market now. New tools and battery are come with 6 years warranty which is fantastic...
@@OZToolTalk Bosch has like milwaukee and Dewalt a 12Ah batterie but unlike the other they have a new fast charger that charges the 12Ah at 100% in only 53 min and 10 Ah in 35mn.
Absolutely brillant, I was waiting for such a test for quite a while as I am seriously considering acquiring one of those tools. Super comprehensive test, and I absolutely LOVE your conclusion, which clearly illustrates that these are all good machines, with pros and cons. At the end, thats the usage and what you intend to do with the tool that can drive the choice, rather than just scores. Having some DeWalt batteries already and considering your advice that I value a lot, I think my choice is done now :-) SUPER great thanks for sharing !
Hi, love the channel, great to seem some Aussie reviews. I’m a boiler in the mining industry and I’ve been using Milwaukee tools daily for the past 6 months and so far I’m absolutely loving them. I have used hitachi and dewalt and I reckon although there tough I still reckon the Milwaukee gear one the whole takes the cake. I’m not sure if you guys have used the Milwaukee 9/7 inch, I’ve had mine for a few months now and I love it, so much power for a battery grinder! The high output batteries really make a difference with the grinders too I have noticed. Would be interesting to see this test with the Milwaukee using the high output battery!
Jack Rideout That’s great that your happy ! We havnt used the 9” no, I’m sure the HO batts make a difference. We have just recieved the 6.0 and it will he interesting to see the improvement. Glad you like the channel 👍🏼👍🏼
One thing I’ve noticed with the high output batteries is the increased charging time but still worth it for the extra tool performance! I’m also loving the m12 gear the 1/2 drive standard impact wrench has been one of the better battery impact wrenches I’ve used even compared to 18v definitely punching above its weight! Look forward to seeing more videos in the future!
I own the bosch for a while, i hate that switch, you don't get used to it (especially when wearing gloves), is just a bad design. Love the ability to change speed.
milwuakee fuel tools come on sale at homedepot in canada almost monthly for 350$ with rapid charger and 9.0ah battery (the grinder, sawzall and circsaw), bare tool on each i believe is around 200$ but the 350$ kit is really the best bargain cant beat that 9.0 battery and i like having plenty of chagers to have a few in the shop one in the tool bag one in the truck ect
Loved this all the way from England you Ozzy nutters ;) great take on the brushless cordless angle grinders. I like the Milwaukee; Basically I am a mechanic and own Kielder kit (Mechanics kit from UK) all brushless, market leading power to size impact wrench (for mechanics) Then I had the battery so I got their angle grinder and drill and impact driver and torch. the angle grinder is a little long however and 1 job cutting the top McPherson strut in a bad access spot would have been amazing to have that flip battery or just a little bit shorter. That said on normal application the length is good. Finding the correct size with battery included for me is important for cutting rounded off drop links out in tight areas as a mechanic I still use my Dremel for that sometimes for access. But now I need carpentry kit I have to choose another brand and battery. I choose Milwaukee over Makita for the "Fuel" brush;less line up is good and all the accessories they offer are great. Expensive kit though:(
milwuakee just came out with their 12.0 amp hour battery and dewalt has announced theirs, milwuakee also just released a 9" 18v grinder, i dont see any diy'er or small time welding shops getting much use out of the 9" one though as the disks are too hard to find locally, only place i can get them is the local welding shop and they require you to order a full box at a time which is 200-300$ i know ill use them all eventually but its a big cost all at once that might be better spent on a plasma cutter
Myself and a mate are changing all our power tools over to battery. I have been Makita for 10y and he has been Dewalt for about the same. Neither of us will buy anything else because we are in so deep with our brands. I have less trouble with my Makita gear than he does with his Dewalt. Performance wise in reality there is little difference. My Tec drill will smash 14# 100mm Bugles slightly better than histec drill but his drill has the edge over me. Although he has just brought a 54v Concrete drill and I expect that will kill my 36v concrete drill. But I love my 36v Skill saw. Both of us have pretty much got a full kit now. I just need a planner and I'm done. We can go days without rolling out a lead. FUCK I hate leads. The real story here is both of us are sick to death of building. Been at it for years. These battery tools are so good now they take some of the pain away. They really do make a massive production difference on site. Which means neither of us need to employ anyone and just contract one another in at full rate to get jobs done. We have a bit of fun, give each other a bit shit and smash through jobs at a blinding pace and make some descent money with out some goldfish brain wombeling around half asleep texting, fucking things up and smashing your gear.
The AEG grinder in this test has just been superceded. As well as the Fusion model they mentioned in the video, AEG have also brought out a new 'conventional' brushless grinder that replaces the one shown here.
Yep. I have the “ridgid”/aeg brushless grinder and it’s awesome! I have done Tons of work with the 5.0 battery. The 6.0 and 9.0 have come out now so I would like to see a update since there current grinder is more on par with the others
Yeah, the one you have has disappeared off their site and been replaced by a new model that looks a lot like the Fusion grinder only without Fusion. I got a good deal on the grinder you reviewed a few months ago, I guess that was why.
Yeah there is a promotion with the fusion hammer drill and driver kit ATM, get the new fusion angle grinder. Would be great to see how these ones perform
Hi there from the UK? You should of put the new fein CCG 18-125 BLPD with Feins new 5.2ah high capacity battery in this test its such a nice tool so much power great test tho, aye own the hilti and the new fein both brilliant machines👍
For anyone interested, I've used both the AEG in this vid and the New one, and its night and day. Using the 9ah battery I can use it for more than twice as long, and the cuts take less time. I don't have the jig, but I suspect it would have done around 25 cuts in the duration test and I suspect it could have handled at least 50% more weight.
Dragonling Yes we have the new one and you are right in that it is very impressive. Devastated we couldn’t get it in time for this comparison ! Glad you like yours.
@@OZToolTalk You guys might actually be able to help me with something. The way I got my tools was in a big kit, downside is that they don't come with individual protective hard or soft cases. I'm already noticing scuffing from storing all my tools in the provided wheely bag. Do know where to get anything similar to the cases most power tools come with since AEG support was unable to help me?
Same I got the fusion kit from AEG and they are the best tools on the market but they did come with some stuffing but I went to Bunnings and they gave me 2 hard cases for the drills and grinder
As far as the plastic and lack of overmolding on the Metabo. That rubber overmolding found on the other tools is gonna degrade due to grease, oils and friction found in typical uses. A good pair of gloves would solve the vibration and fatigue issues of holding the plastic Metabo. I'd rate the Metabo as number one due to the durability, ease of use, and rotating battery pack.
Miguel P hmm, I can say I’ve only ever had a handful of tools in close to 15 years come in for repair with stuffed rubber overmoulding. Not discounting your comment but I certainly don’t think it’s a good reason to have less rubber. (Mike)
Ah, good to know, thank you. Perhaps it matters the type of rubber and the place the tool is used, like a mechanics shop where grease and oil would be hard to avoid.
Great vid guys! Would be great if you could do a corded grinder shootout. Corded grinders are still the goto for most shops due to higher power and rpm.
I recently bought the bosch n used it for the first time today and the switch thing was pissing me off too! Also running my old 3ah battery's it just chewed through them and constantly kept cutting out under load 🤦🏻♂️ i was pretty disappointed tbh but hopefully with the new 7ah i just ordered it will improve 🤞🏻 thought it was the ducks nuts n love bosch gear but thinking i should of gone the DeWalt now 🤔😊👍
Ahh just got to the bit in the video about the Fusion coming in after all the testing was done, and that you had done the bulk of the testing back in May. Makes sense. Hopefully you can do a full review on the fusion grinder and add it to the comparison for the tools you tested here.
Such a shame the 54v Dewalt couldn't be shown due to the whole 18v thing. Bought the thing about 2 months ago for working on my knives and it's an absolute power house.
I’ve got the Dewalt albeit the older model and my mate has Hilti. That extra few volts under heavy load is great on the Hilti which doesn’t show here kind of confusing. I’m disappointed going back to my old Dewalt after the Hilti but the new one looks pretty powerful. If mine breaks I’ll get the new one Butkus still going strong after 5 years heavy use so they last.
Hi guys, thanks for a really decent review! A bit hard to find the info about the Makita with Switch instead of paddle, is it DGA 518..? BTW, this AEG grinder was my last straw to keep up with the platform. I'm just made an add selling EVERYTHING, I don't care about the warranty, the machines are lacking power and torque out way too easy. Now it's Dewalt Flexvolt & Makita all the way, never ever AEG again.
i choice dewalt ready have and im glad was on top was reseach me to before to buy and you guys have right makita was me to second option but the buton start doesnt matchfor my option bicoz when i up to leader with tol in hand was risky to start accidentaly so for that i coice dewalt bicoz power buton is in safe pozition and dont need to use both hand to start or start accidentaly when grip the tool, thank is nice to see god review and in glad my choice was on top in your test il wait on test in future dewalt dcd791 to see if im god what i choice again.sry for gramar im native from Romania eu .
Yeah because the Hilti isn't 18V, that's a fair call. I almost did but didn't want to confused viewers in what was already a fairly convoluted video. If everything was the same voltage, there would be no difference in comparing Ah or Wh
Great job guys! Yes I agree the weights do offer some science to the comparison. Was the weight paced on the grinders a bit much for the run time test? You said the Bosch did overheat and I notice at 6:00 in the Milwaukee battery was showing that the tool had overheated, rather than showing depleted battery.
You would get much different results on the power tests if you used same batteries on all. The DeWalt and the Milwaukee profit massively from their batteries.
Love the video fellas. Did you feel any of the guards got in the way for concrete cutting? Would also be interested in depth of cut for the concrete cutting? Also interested in your thoughts on the possibility of dust collection when using these, the new OSHA table one compliance in the usa has had me thinking about my concrete cutting and would be interested in your thoughts?
[Dwain] yeah we didn't even touch on dist collection, and we haven't thought hard about it this time. We didn't put depths in the table, but they are all VERY similar. No guards stuck out to us as making concrete work difficult...
The higher demand (amp hour) the battery the shorter it’s life is. Makita is smart because they have average battery amperage so the batteries last many cycles. I’ve had my first makita set since the 18v first came out and the original batteries still work fine
No he doesn't because it's BS. High demand batteries have same cells (18650) than average batteries only few more cell so lifetime expectation for whole battery is same, it might be even better because high demand batteries have more inside electronic than average batteries.
I have milwaukee tools myself. when the battery is flashing they are not empty but too hot so they cut to take care of the battery. otherwise it was a good test
[Dwain] you're right. but it can be both flat and overheated. Our general rule is that if a tool cuts out when it was already on one bar, then we call it flat. The number of cuts was certainly not low.
Looks like you used same cutting disc for run time test , not *new* for each test? So there was huge difference on diameter because first test wore those unevenly.
[Dwain] For the most part we gave each disk just a cut or two before starting the test, because you often get funny results on the first cut for some reason. But we applied evenly across all brands.
Excellent job as always guys. One criticism.... If you're going to use decimals in your scoring, then surely that should be reflected in the final scoring? This would mean that DeWalt scored 43.7 and Makita 44.3 Milwaukee 41.9 and so and so on. Rounding up the decimal really defeats the point i think and means you don't end up with a clear winner, which was the Makita. Just a small niggle i know, but it was the scoring system you chose and you said you would like a clear winner lol so you got one.
[Dwain] I considered it but it made the outcome messy. Also, when you're scoring out of 50, 0.3 here or there isn't significant. If i rounded each score and then added those rounded numbers, the scoring would be much less accurate. If I rounded in the summary but actually added the precise scores, the numbers may not appear to add up. So the way I've done it is fairly defensible I think. Still I don't strongly disagree with you.
@@OZToolTalk Fair enough Dwain. I see your dilemma, either way you guys did a great job and always do. Thanks very much mate for going to the trouble of A) Doing the hard work and making these videos and B) Replying to me, much appreciated.
Yep...noticed the same thing. Not quite a tie, Makita actually won by a nose. If anyone wants to pay that close of attention. Makita needs to decide how they want to go about some bigger batteries.
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I had a lot of old pipes and rebar to cut up and from what I read ruclips.net/user/postUgkxPDBfLu68o58Aw85O_J-zIFfjJARBhp-3 this would be the tool for the job. Since I had never used one, I watched a couple of youtube videos and I'm so glad I did. Some really good safety tips, which I followed, and this tool did a splendid job. One good thing to know is the weight of the tool puts just about the right amount of pressure on the metal I was cutting, so I didn't have to use a lot of pressure, which is more likely to jam the tool. It made fast work of my job.
Going back through older videos. Kudos for doing these tests. Grinding isn't fun. Thanks for taking one for the team.
You're not wrong. Cheers Mike!
I actually use the Makita model daily with I lot of different task and it never lets me down
Well done guys!
You are an impressive pair in your coverage of tools and comparison.
I cannot fathom the amount of effort and beg, stealing, borrowing that goes into these head 2 heads for tools, batteries & consumables!! Not to miss the filming time with stops and starts and setups as well as post editing. Chapeau to you both.
Thank you on behalf of the whole of youtube! Keep going, these videos will stand the test of time and come up in tons of searches around the planet.
Thanks again, thumbs up.
Thanks Ryan. We think we make an alright duo :)
Fortunately we've been doing this long enough now that getting the tools / consumables isn't too bad. It was very hard when we started!
All manufacturers provided these. We can even make a few bucks by having a sponsor like we did with Klingspor here.
Appreciate the support. [Dwain]
@@OZToolTalk awesome review
This is like the best grinder review ever
thanks man!
I have that Makita. The variable speed is fantastic for my uses.
I have an Arsenal Of Makita tools drills ect .the only reason I didn’t get there grinder is I didn’t like how the guard clamp on .
Emmanuel Williams The makita guards are horrid, but until I can swing the fein/festool, I’ll live with it. The metabo had a great guard but it quickly died with minimal use and the warranty requires that I pay ahead and get a refund and....chinese made metabo ain’t worth it.
Were did you buy variable cordless makita?
@@rodrigocelis2700 In the UK. I imagine they sell the same model in other countries.
that variable speed on the makita makes it double up as a 'crude' polisher.
Love how you posted scores, but didn’t stop there. Addressed you need to find the tool that suits your style and applications.
As a metal fab guy, iv been waiting forever for a comparison like this. Im glad to see bosch up there in the top 3 as Iv bought into their 18v platform. I am very much a bosch fan, but I will always have a Makita corded grinder as backup. Makita have always exceled with their grinders. Thank you again guys. Also, klingspor are also awesome.
Good to hear Dev. Glad you appreciated it! [Dwain]
What an effort guys! Great video! 👍
Привет парни!Мое мнение о Вашем канале и Ваших тестах инструмента,Вы самые лучшие и у Вас самые справедливые и честные тесты,благодарю Вас за это,продолжайте и да макита рулит,как всегда!!!Здоровья Вам и развития Вашему каналу!!!
*How the comments look:* "So-and-so is the best."
*How the comments would look if they were honest:* "So-and-so is the battery ecosystem I've bought into, and all I have experience with."
Hahaha nice
that is the biggest thing. If you go for milfuckee and you own 4 batterys for that because you got the cordless dril and impact driver then you just buy the grinder from them. If you got the dewalt machines allready you tend to go with them. And it makes sense. If you look at a cordless dril, even the top of the line hitachi dewalt and milwaukee are only like 150-175 for the machine, and then another 200-250 for the batterys and the charger. So if you allready own that then the machine is not that expensive.
And then there are people that defend the brand they bought because they dont want to hear the brand is not that good(at making a grinder in this case) because they tought they had a good deal, and now it turns out there where maybe better ones.
@@gabbermaikel well I'm a bosch man but bought the makita because it's the best tool. I've also got willfucki, but threw it out. I've just bought the best of the time regardless like music men don't buy a hi system they buy the best bits from all maufacturers, bit like big bits of workshop machinery.
Michael Bamber are you talking about cordless? Because with corded tools that i more how people do it. All corded tools can be used on the same wall outlet, no special branded wall outlets needed. But for a cordless tool the biggest investment is actually the battery system. If you buy a new cordless system with 3 batterys and 2 tools you are looking at about 500€ so probably 600$ for the 18-20v tools. But only the bodys(so the machines without batter and charger) could be bought for about 250, maybe 300€ that means about 50% of the price is for the batterys and the charger. So if you allready own 3-5 batterys from in you case bosch you are in on that for more then 300-400€ and you could then go for a cordless grinder for just 150-200probably. If you would buy the grinder from dewalt or makita that would again set you back nearly 500 because you need the charger and the batterys. And now that grinder dies because the hot supper you gave it was to much and you got 300$ worth of batterys sitting there doing nothing. Where as if you bought everything from 1 brand then its no big deal because those batterys wil be used on your other tools so not really any wasted money there.
Not necessarily so. I have the DeWalt corded grinder and am looking to get a battery powered one. I'm not going on brand but which one does the best job. Makita and DeWalt tied. But the DeWalt cuts faster and I already have batteries for it so to me that wins.
the spray from the makita looks cleanest
Shows how advanced Makita electronics are once they finally come out with a high demand battery look out
Yeah but no. There tools use two batteries instead of one. I don't want to have to buy multiple batteries just to use the tool.
Sculpin ? ? ? The Makita angle grinder featured in this video uses 1 battery.
@@truefalse207 a lot of makita tools use two.
@@averagebloke4474 it's just another way of generating more power dewalt and Milwaukee use one massive battery while Makita uses 2 small ones. The x2 system is only for high demand tools
High demand = marketing nonsense
thanks for your time in this intense grinder review!!! great job guys ...keep up the tool fights vids.. Oz tool talk
Good stuff fellas. I have gone through Hitachi tools, Milwaukee tools and now I'm on Makita. I went with Makita purely for the ergonomics and the battery runtime. The Makita representative also gave me the heads up that you can remove the four screws from the head of the grinder to rotate the body.
Yeah a lot of units allow that
Makita is really good. I too choose it mostly for ergonomics and familiar battery. Makita was one of the first big brands to use Li-ion batteries if not the first. Ergonomics of wall chaser is better on Dewalt though. Makita just lately started to feel bit outdated, but tools are still very usable.
Another comprehensive test. I bought into the DeWalt platform and the Victa battery chainsaw on your recommendation and have not ever regretted it. Thanks guys.
Great review. Honestly I think it ultimately comes down to whatever battery system you have, & whatever offers you can find. For me, I found the Bosch Blue tools by far the best value when bought as body only units in my country, especially considering their free tool/battery promotions etc - the grinder on amazon was 30%+ less price than equivalent Dewalt/Makita, which makes it a no brainer.
Yeah price and availability is a big factor. Bosch is a great brand. Enjoy, and thanks for the feedback.
Great analysis
thanks Bill
So much work with these tests, great job !!
thx!
Just discovered this video. Amazing test. Instant new subscriber.
Thanks Mike, love your support.
i use the milwaukee and the dewalt (those exact models) at work and they are both just superb, but there is like you say a powerthing going on with the milwaukee. part of my work is both maintaince and fabrication on board ships, and the milwaukee is a tool you always tend to grab with you because you know it will do the job, and now you can get a 12ah battery for it.
i ended up byuing my self a milwaukee to use at home. it literally eats up batterys, but its a wonderfull tool
Those are actually my two favorites as well.
Waiting for ya'll to review hart, craftsman, Hercules, earthquake, bauer and kabolt grinders
you'll be waiting a long time since they aren't sold in Aus. Plus we only review trade brands generally.
That Milwaukee might work great when it's not broke but I got a broke one that's not done much grinding. Got an AEG on sale at about 20% of the cost of the Milwaukee and very happy with it.
A E G=Aus Erfahrung Gut
Brilliant comprehensive test thank You 👍
Nice test, just ordered the Milwaukee 115xpdb, hope i get on with it, nice to know that its got plenty of power, will see how the vibration is.
Hope you enjoy it!
I've got the makita an it's a ripper, well nice tool. My mate has a Milwaukee and picked mine up an he thought my makita was a nicer tool to use. An he works day in day out as fabricator welding an grinding up to 12hrs a day. I used to but now just a side line but still make fair use of me gear.
@ yeah, half hour continues use isn't bad. How long does anyone else's 5amp last in a grinder? Its pretty impressive to be honest, you could not supply 600w for half an hour.
Need a updated test with the 9 ah fusion AEG.
Good work guys, thanks for these videos👍🏻
Cheers Michael, you're welcome :D
Super awesome and efficient way to present these type of comparisons.
Thanks for taking your time to compare this for us i really liked your comparision thumbs up 👍
I am thinking to buy dewalt dcg405p2 which is a kit with 5ah batteries would u say my decision is best or should i rather check with other models??
Great video lads 👍🇬🇧
Just grabbed a drink and I'm here in the couch watching you guys...siiick video! Well done.
Cant wait for the giveway 😉
Thanks Ben!
I recommend the Flat Nose version of the DW 405…a thinner protruding snout that gets the disc into tighter spaces, otherwise the same spec, but slightly more expensive.
All my tools are red and teal. But interestingly enough I watched a video by toolboxbuzz and the dewalt won their head to head test as well.
Another awesome video guys, thanks 👍🏾
Thanks Ivan :D
Awesome job guys !!!! Labor of love !! I love the dewalt and Makita grinders
Cheers Joe!
Very impressive and thorough testing. I Love the jig you designed to keep things level. Thanks also Klingspor. Wish your products were here in Canada
Cheers!
Klingspor actually does have products in canada. I bought a 10 or 20 disc pack (haven't looked in the box in months) last year, meaning they were around when you posted your comment.
great work for community, thanks!
Awesome work once again fellas, very surprising result esp on the run time! Thought others would do alot better but so many variables its never going to be perfect
Cheers mate, you've got that right! [Dwain]
Bosch No1.
Very nice video, thanks for do it! LIKE
Just for fun you should do ozito and ryobi vs all the other good brands
Too bad you missed the 12Ah battery for the Milwaukee. You can't beat them or the 5 year warranty! Great video!
Awesome review thanks
Well done guys, great review as usual. Pretty happy with Bosch result will stick with Bosch for a while. Seems like Bosch jumped big step to cordless tools market now. New tools and battery are come with 6 years warranty which is fantastic...
wei shu thanks mate,
Yes Bosch are making a serious push right now 👍🏼
@@OZToolTalk Bosch has like milwaukee and Dewalt a 12Ah batterie but unlike the other they have a new fast charger that charges the 12Ah at 100% in only 53 min and 10 Ah in 35mn.
Hi Oz tools love your show. Would love to see a bandsaw review. Kind regards Sean from the UK.
Cheers mate. We reviewed the M8 fuel deepcut bandsaw some time ago. [Dwain]
@@OZToolTalk Could you do a review on DeWalt, Makita ect cordless and some other makes and do a comparison see whats best k.r Sean
great review fyi i think the Dewalt is the only 1 that the head can be adjusted to any angle.
Absolutely brillant, I was waiting for such a test for quite a while as I am seriously considering acquiring one of those tools.
Super comprehensive test, and I absolutely LOVE your conclusion, which clearly illustrates that these are all good machines, with pros and cons. At the end, thats the usage and what you intend to do with the tool that can drive the choice, rather than just scores.
Having some DeWalt batteries already and considering your advice that I value a lot, I think my choice is done now :-)
SUPER great thanks for sharing !
Thanks for the support mate!
Hi, love the channel, great to seem some Aussie reviews. I’m a boiler in the mining industry and I’ve been using Milwaukee tools daily for the past 6 months and so far I’m absolutely loving them. I have used hitachi and dewalt and I reckon although there tough I still reckon the Milwaukee gear one the whole takes the cake. I’m not sure if you guys have used the Milwaukee 9/7 inch, I’ve had mine for a few months now and I love it, so much power for a battery grinder! The high output batteries really make a difference with the grinders too I have noticed. Would be interesting to see this test with the Milwaukee using the high output battery!
Jack Rideout That’s great that your happy ! We havnt used the 9” no, I’m sure the HO batts make a difference. We have just recieved the 6.0 and it will he interesting to see the improvement.
Glad you like the channel 👍🏼👍🏼
One thing I’ve noticed with the high output batteries is the increased charging time but still worth it for the extra tool performance! I’m also loving the m12 gear the 1/2 drive standard impact wrench has been one of the better battery impact wrenches I’ve used even compared to 18v definitely punching above its weight! Look forward to seeing more videos in the future!
I own the bosch for a while, i hate that switch, you don't get used to it (especially when wearing gloves), is just a bad design. Love the ability to change speed.
Good job!!!
Thank you!
Our pleasure!
awesome review guys
Excellent comparisson method.
thanks man, we gave it our best! [Dwain]
milwuakee fuel tools come on sale at homedepot in canada almost monthly for 350$ with rapid charger and 9.0ah battery (the grinder, sawzall and circsaw), bare tool on each i believe is around 200$ but the 350$ kit is really the best bargain cant beat that 9.0 battery and i like having plenty of chagers to have a few in the shop one in the tool bag one in the truck ect
Have to see what you guys do to test
Loved this all the way from England you Ozzy nutters ;) great take on the brushless cordless angle grinders. I like the Milwaukee; Basically I am a mechanic and own Kielder kit (Mechanics kit from UK) all brushless, market leading power to size impact wrench (for mechanics) Then I had the battery so I got their angle grinder and drill and impact driver and torch. the angle grinder is a little long however and 1 job cutting the top McPherson strut in a bad access spot would have been amazing to have that flip battery or just a little bit shorter. That said on normal application the length is good. Finding the correct size with battery included for me is important for cutting rounded off drop links out in tight areas as a mechanic I still use my Dremel for that sometimes for access. But now I need carpentry kit I have to choose another brand and battery. I choose Milwaukee over Makita for the "Fuel" brush;less line up is good and all the accessories they offer are great. Expensive kit though:(
cheers for the support Henry! Enjoy the new gear.
milwuakee just came out with their 12.0 amp hour battery and dewalt has announced theirs, milwuakee also just released a 9" 18v grinder,
i dont see any diy'er or small time welding shops getting much use out of the 9" one though as the disks are too hard to find locally, only place i can get them is the local welding shop and they require you to order a full box at a time which is 200-300$ i know ill use them all eventually but its a big cost all at once that might be better spent on a plasma cutter
Corded grinders are the best in my opinion.
[Dwain] In a shop, often true, especially for grinding. But for cutting onsite, can't beat cordless I reckon. [Dwain]
Great test, thank you very much!
But I'm missing one point: What about the noise? All the same?
Depends on the person.
Also changes again if you have ear plugs etc in which noise might not matter at all
Popcorn is ready
Have the Makita grinder. You won't get to far cutting porcelain tile with it. Five, 24 inch cuts and the 6 amp is done.
Best grinder bosch Or dewatt
The Rolls-Royce is the metabo 36v, a match between dewalt flexvolt would be clash of titans
New bosch biturbo grinders ?
With 12ah pro core battery.
Is like u use a 1500w corded.
Myself and a mate are changing all our power tools over to battery. I have been Makita for 10y and he has been Dewalt for about the same. Neither of us will buy anything else because we are in so deep with our brands.
I have less trouble with my Makita gear than he does with his Dewalt. Performance wise in reality there is little difference. My Tec drill will smash 14# 100mm Bugles slightly better than histec drill but his drill has the edge over me. Although he has just brought a 54v Concrete drill and I expect that will kill my 36v concrete drill. But I love my 36v Skill saw.
Both of us have pretty much got a full kit now. I just need a planner and I'm done. We can go days without rolling out a lead. FUCK I hate leads.
The real story here is both of us are sick to death of building. Been at it for years. These battery tools are so good now they take some of the pain away. They really do make a massive production difference on site. Which means neither of us need to employ anyone and just contract one another in at full rate to get jobs done. We have a bit of fun, give each other a bit shit and smash through jobs at a blinding pace and make some descent money with out some goldfish brain wombeling around half asleep texting, fucking things up and smashing your gear.
Well have fun paying for it. I’ve used ryobi tools for years and they didn’t even include it in the video lol
Not comparable. No trade warranty for instance.
The AEG grinder in this test has just been superceded. As well as the Fusion model they mentioned in the video, AEG have also brought out a new 'conventional' brushless grinder that replaces the one shown here.
Really?!
Yep. I have the “ridgid”/aeg brushless grinder and it’s awesome! I have done Tons of work with the 5.0 battery. The 6.0 and 9.0 have come out now so I would like to see a update since there current grinder is more on par with the others
Yeah, the one you have has disappeared off their site and been replaced by a new model that looks a lot like the Fusion grinder only without Fusion.
I got a good deal on the grinder you reviewed a few months ago, I guess that was why.
Yeah there is a promotion with the fusion hammer drill and driver kit ATM, get the new fusion angle grinder. Would be great to see how these ones perform
Z71GALLA well this answers my question about aeg being ridgid and I’ve been looking into the ridgid octane brushless grinder.
Hi there from the UK? You should of put the new fein
CCG 18-125 BLPD with Feins new 5.2ah high capacity battery in this test its such a nice tool so much power great test tho, aye own the hilti and the new fein both brilliant machines👍
Fein are very fine. Had one myself. Just no support here.
Great video review! Thank u.....
For anyone interested, I've used both the AEG in this vid and the New one, and its night and day. Using the 9ah battery I can use it for more than twice as long, and the cuts take less time.
I don't have the jig, but I suspect it would have done around 25 cuts in the duration test and I suspect it could have handled at least 50% more weight.
Dragonling Yes we have the new one and you are right in that it is very impressive. Devastated we couldn’t get it in time for this comparison ! Glad you like yours.
@@OZToolTalk You guys might actually be able to help me with something. The way I got my tools was in a big kit, downside is that they don't come with individual protective hard or soft cases. I'm already noticing scuffing from storing all my tools in the provided wheely bag. Do know where to get anything similar to the cases most power tools come with since AEG support was unable to help me?
Same I got the fusion kit from AEG and they are the best tools on the market but they did come with some stuffing but I went to Bunnings and they gave me 2 hard cases for the drills and grinder
Home gamer now but x industry user, i cannot decide between makita and dewalt.
As far as the plastic and lack of overmolding on the Metabo. That rubber overmolding found on the other tools is gonna degrade due to grease, oils and friction found in typical uses. A good pair of gloves would solve the vibration and fatigue issues of holding the plastic Metabo.
I'd rate the Metabo as number one due to the durability, ease of use, and rotating battery pack.
Miguel P hmm, I can say I’ve only ever had a handful of tools in close to 15 years come in for repair with stuffed rubber overmoulding.
Not discounting your comment but I certainly don’t think it’s a good reason to have less rubber. (Mike)
Ah, good to know, thank you. Perhaps it matters the type of rubber and the place the tool is used, like a mechanics shop where grease and oil would be hard to avoid.
Great vid guys! Would be great if you could do a corded grinder shootout. Corded grinders are still the goto for most shops due to higher power and rpm.
Thanks SirMo. Sorry, electric is not so much our jam. [Dwain]
I recently bought the bosch n used it for the first time today and the switch thing was pissing me off too! Also running my old 3ah battery's it just chewed through them and constantly kept cutting out under load 🤦🏻♂️ i was pretty disappointed tbh but hopefully with the new 7ah i just ordered it will improve 🤞🏻 thought it was the ducks nuts n love bosch gear but thinking i should of gone the DeWalt now 🤔😊👍
Good 1 boys 👍
I was hoping the AEG Fusion 125mm grinder would have made an appearance for this one.
Ahh just got to the bit in the video about the Fusion coming in after all the testing was done, and that you had done the bulk of the testing back in May.
Makes sense.
Hopefully you can do a full review on the fusion grinder and add it to the comparison for the tools you tested here.
Great video, love the comparison vids.
Such a shame the 54v Dewalt couldn't be shown due to the whole 18v thing. Bought the thing about 2 months ago for working on my knives and it's an absolute power house.
[Dwain] Yeah it's a monster and would smash all of these
@@OZToolTalk the run time is the only bummer about it since i only have 1 flexv battery. But besides that its so fun to use.
@@OZToolTalk Or even the Hikoki 36v, got to test it with a rep today. Thing holds up well.
I’ve got the Dewalt albeit the older model and my mate has Hilti. That extra few volts under heavy load is great on the Hilti which doesn’t show here kind of confusing. I’m disappointed going back to my old Dewalt after the Hilti but the new one looks pretty powerful. If mine breaks I’ll get the new one Butkus still going strong after 5 years heavy use so they last.
The difference in power and runtime between the new brushless 18v Dewalt grinder and the older brushed one - is night and day.
latest,,i like dewalt.
i like combination colour black and yellow.
😁😁
Interesting differences in sparking patterns at 1:01
agreed!!
In the USA we have 12.0 Milwaukee and 9.0 Ridgid(aeg)
Mike Zeke both in Aus too
I did see a link showing bosch are releasing a 16amp charger with the new 12ah battery coming out and it charges a 4 or 5 Ah in 9 minutes !
Hi guys, thanks for a really decent review! A bit hard to find the info about the Makita with Switch instead of paddle, is it DGA 518..?
BTW, this AEG grinder was my last straw to keep up with the platform. I'm just made an add selling EVERYTHING, I don't care about the warranty, the machines are lacking power and torque out way too easy. Now it's Dewalt Flexvolt & Makita all the way, never ever AEG again.
i choice dewalt ready have and im glad was on top was reseach me to before to buy and you guys have right makita was me to second option but the buton start doesnt matchfor my option bicoz when i up to leader with tol in hand was risky to start accidentaly so for that i coice dewalt bicoz power buton is in safe pozition and dont need to use both hand to start or start accidentaly when grip the tool, thank is nice to see god review and in glad my choice was on top in your test il wait on test in future dewalt dcd791 to see if im god what i choice again.sry for gramar im native from Romania eu .
On the run time you should compare watt hours
Yeah because the Hilti isn't 18V, that's a fair call. I almost did but didn't want to confused viewers in what was already a fairly convoluted video.
If everything was the same voltage, there would be no difference in comparing Ah or Wh
Wooo. New vid!
Flex is not available in Australia? I'd expect that brand to be among the best.
It is cos I use it daily
Dam I knew it was between Makita or Dewalt right off the bat but I was wondering which one was better of the two. I guess I'll just stick with Makita
its a great grinder!
Great job guys!
Yes I agree the weights do offer some science to the comparison.
Was the weight paced on the grinders a bit much for the run time test?
You said the Bosch did overheat and I notice at 6:00 in the Milwaukee battery was showing that the tool had overheated, rather than showing depleted battery.
yep it probably was a bit much :(
The Milwaukee battery was already on one light, so it was actually empty as well we believe.
I own the Hitachi brushless and I love it but it’s sad to see how it compares to other brands.
yes hitachi much greater than these suckers talking also hawe wariable speed and longest running time
There's always something better out there. I'm sure it's perfectly capable of doing the job and if you're in that system then that's where you are!
Hitachi is underrated
Metabo the best?
You would get much different results on the power tests if you used same batteries on all. The DeWalt and the Milwaukee profit massively from their batteries.
which we also did test ....
Yep
Love the video fellas. Did you feel any of the guards got in the way for concrete cutting? Would also be interested in depth of cut for the concrete cutting?
Also interested in your thoughts on the possibility of dust collection when using these, the new OSHA table one compliance in the usa has had me thinking about my concrete cutting and would be interested in your thoughts?
[Dwain] yeah we didn't even touch on dist collection, and we haven't thought hard about it this time.
We didn't put depths in the table, but they are all VERY similar. No guards stuck out to us as making concrete work difficult...
@@OZToolTalk great reply thanks
Great review. Nice job including the charging times:)
Cheers
The higher demand (amp hour) the battery the shorter it’s life is. Makita is smart because they have average battery amperage so the batteries last many cycles. I’ve had my first makita set since the 18v first came out and the original batteries still work fine
Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
No he doesn't because it's BS.
High demand batteries have same cells (18650) than average batteries only few more cell so lifetime expectation for whole battery is same, it might be even better because high demand batteries have more inside electronic than average batteries.
Oz Tool Talk because my uncle bumblefuck AvE says so.
bosch protecting the tool for longevity ?
You should add weight in scoring table
we didn't think the difference in weights was enough to score.
I have milwaukee tools myself.
when the battery is flashing they are not empty but too hot so they cut to take care of the battery.
otherwise it was a good test
[Dwain] you're right. but it can be both flat and overheated. Our general rule is that if a tool cuts out when it was already on one bar, then we call it flat. The number of cuts was certainly not low.
Looks like you used same cutting disc for run time test , not *new* for each test?
So there was huge difference on diameter because first test wore those unevenly.
[Dwain] For the most part we gave each disk just a cut or two before starting the test, because you often get funny results on the first cut for some reason. But we applied evenly across all brands.
Excellent job as always guys. One criticism.... If you're going to use decimals in your scoring, then surely that should be reflected in the final scoring? This would mean that DeWalt scored 43.7 and Makita 44.3 Milwaukee 41.9 and so and so on. Rounding up the decimal really defeats the point i think and means you don't end up with a clear winner, which was the Makita. Just a small niggle i know, but it was the scoring system you chose and you said you would like a clear winner lol so you got one.
[Dwain] I considered it but it made the outcome messy. Also, when you're scoring out of 50, 0.3 here or there isn't significant.
If i rounded each score and then added those rounded numbers, the scoring would be much less accurate. If I rounded in the summary but actually added the precise scores, the numbers may not appear to add up.
So the way I've done it is fairly defensible I think. Still I don't strongly disagree with you.
@@OZToolTalk Fair enough Dwain. I see your dilemma, either way you guys did a great job and always do. Thanks very much mate for going to the trouble of A) Doing the hard work and making these videos and B) Replying to me, much appreciated.
@@SeanCleverly you're very welcome Sean. Thanks for the support!!
Yep...noticed the same thing. Not quite a tie, Makita actually won by a nose. If anyone wants to pay that close of attention.
Makita needs to decide how they want to go about some bigger batteries.